Military 5 star instead of Swat?

[gta v fanatic]

As we all know that in one of the previous games in the GTA series was if you got a high enough star, the military would be sent to go kill you with a tank and top of the line guns. In GTA 4 they used SWAT or (NOOSE) which was pretty fun and i enjoyed it, but i felt like it was to easy for me, i would rather be being chased down by some BA Marines in tanks instead of SWAT. Knowing that a Marine base is not far from L.A maybe they will put the Military back in the game? What do you think?

[Kifflom112]

4 to 5 stars needs to be Noose and or FIB. 6 stars needs to be the military.

[Coral_City]

Military? To take out one asshole?

[gta v fanatic]

Military? To take out one asshole?

Well they have done it before. And im pretty sure it would be much better to have a challenge instead of killing 500 NOOSE personnel with no problem.

[98 in 1]

4 to 5 stars needs to be Noose and or FIB. 6 stars needs to be the military.

Pretty much that.

[UtricularEwe001]

I am pretty sure That in real life, The Military won't come out after one person. Their main Job is to protect a Country not to come after a Mafia Boss.

 

I think R* would add L.A SWAT:

 

 

Or a FBI Special force:

 

 

 

They are Armed to the Teeth

[gta v fanatic]

I am pretty sure That in real life, The Military won't come out after one person. Their main Job is to protect a Country not to come after a Mafia Boss.

 

I think R* would add L.A SWAT:

 

 

Or a FBI Special force:

 

 

 

They are Armed to the Teeth

They have done it before? I think FBI special force was a good one. Anything close to Military tactics other then SWAT is good. I love a good challenge. Like i said, instead of killing 500 NOOSE personnel no problem.

[Johan]

Military ? Why are they needed for something so small the FBI can do themselves?

 

I mean they can use the NAVY if you are on a rampage and head to the ocean but I don't think the Military are needed

[gtav nut]

Military ? Why are they needed for something so small the FBI can do themselves?

 

I mean they can use the NAVY if you are on a rampage and head to the ocean but I don't think the Military are needed

Yea navy seals would be good

[gta v fanatic]

Military ? Why are they needed for something so small the FBI can do themselves?

 

I mean they can use the NAVY if you are on a rampage and head to the ocean but I don't think the Military are needed

Yea navy seals would be good

You gotta be a badass to go against some Navy Seals... I agree with that. That would be one heck of a challenge.

[gtav nut]

Military ? Why are they needed for something so small the FBI can do themselves?

 

I mean they can use the NAVY if you are on a rampage and head to the ocean but I don't think the Military are needed

Yea navy seals would be good

You gotta be a badass to go against some Navy Seals... I agree with that. That would be one heck of a challenge.

too right!!

 

the noose c*nts in IV wrecked my head, walking like constipated apes WTF?

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

...or it can just be like real life where the various response units of the departments of energy, homeland security, state, treasury, LA SWAT, FBI HRT, CIA Special Activities Division, and ATF have the same equipment as the military. The Nation Guard/Military should still spawn at 6 stars on bridges, landmarks, and federal government buildings just for "fun" I guess.

 

NoosE wasn't the problem in IV. It was their unrealistic lack of tactics. When the Fort Hood Shooting took place a couple of years back on a military base. The local SWAT was still the predominant force in the conflict. Real life response un

[BlackNoise]

If you're going to talk about what would happen "in real life", then look at the entire situation realistically. In GTA you're not just a simple criminal. You kill citizens and destroy property with guns, RPGs, grenades, plastic explosives etc. Of course the military would go after you. You would be their number one priority.

[ACR]

I think that SWAT or any other anti-terrorist unit is considered more elite and trained than regular military unit. It's more better that R* improve A.I. tactics of NOOSE or whatever so they will inflict more damage to player, throw flash and smoke grenades, deploy shield units, etc. We don't need military. Sure if you want military to be present just so you can steal tanks for rampages, then military should have some base on the outskirts of city, it should even be involved in some mission where you have to steal chopper or some other military tech, but i don't think it should have place in wanted system.

[GarrowsKai]

If a single person was able to shoot down a few helicopters and mow down 100s of SWAT and FBI agents, then I'm pretty sure the Military would be drafted in in real life. The Military are there to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, after all.

 

I'd like to see the military return because it would bring back that challenge, but just reorganise it a bit. Rather than have standard soldiers and tanks, make it so it's more like special forces troops backed up by maybe one APC at a time rather than a full on MBT. They should also only come out once you start to really cause trouble, say a minimum of 5 helicopters shot down and maybe 50 FBI or SWAT guys killed (whichever comes out at 5 stars) .

 

So overall have fewer guys after you, but have them use more sophisticated tactics and much better weapons, with only one heavy vehicle (APC) on the map at any one time (because they wouldn't have a whole battalion out to get one guy, as people have rightly said). There have been occasions in recent times where the military special forces have been called in to deal with extremely high risk situations in their own country. One example I can think of off the top of my head is the Iranian Embassy siege in London where the SAS were called upon to secure the situation. Obviously that is Britain and not the US but the two countries are broadly similar so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen in the US under similar circumstances.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

If a single person was able to shoot down a few helicopters and mow down 100s of SWAT and FBI agents, then I'm pretty sure the Military would be drafted in in real life. The Military are there to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, after all.

 

I'd like to see the military return because it would bring back that challenge, but just reorganise it a bit. Rather than have standard soldiers and tanks, make it so it's more like special forces troops backed up by maybe one APC at a time rather than a full on MBT. They should also only come out once you start to really cause trouble, say a minimum of 5 helicopters shot down and maybe 50 FBI or SWAT guys killed (whichever comes out at 5 stars) .

 

So overall have fewer guys after you, but have them use more sophisticated tactics and much better weapons, with only one heavy vehicle (APC) on the map at any one time (because they wouldn't have a whole battalion out to get one guy, as people have rightly said). There have been occasions in recent times where the military special forces have been called in to deal with extremely high risk situations in their own country. One example I can think of off the top of my head is the Iranian Embassy siege in London where the SAS were called upon to secure the situation. Obviously that is Britain and not the US but the two countries are broadly similar so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen in the US under similar circumstances.

The main argument for bringing on the military is tactical prowess so special forces would be a great element since unlike the standard infantry, special forces are more advanced than SWAT teams and what not. Maybe after you kill 150+ more tactical response operatives from NoosE, SWAT, etc., law enforcment retreats and you become victim to a surprise attack by a special force unit with super advance tactics and equipment.

[Durden]

Heres what I want:

 

 

1 star - cops persue, attempting to tackle & arrest/fine you depending on the severity of the crime.

 

2 stars - cops attempt to arrest you via tackling or tazer, unless you fire at them - in that case they'll try and kill you; cops are more aggressive when persuing.

 

3 stars - police maverick comes into play trying to blind you with the spotlight unless you shoot at them then they will shoot back; more cops; more aggressive; hostile patrol boats spawn in seas; police attempt to kill you unless if your crouched with no weapons equipped, then they go for an arrest.

 

4 stars - SWAT come into play with body armour, SMGs, Shotguns, tear gas, flash grenades, and some spawn on the rooftops with Sniper Rifles. They will try and tear gas/flash you when your indoors and then go for the arrest, otherwise they shoot to kill; 2 police mavericks are airbone at this point both trying to kill you; police are extremely aggressive and have little regard for collateral damage; At this point there are 60% cops and 40% SWAT.

 

5 stars - FBI becomes introduced -- with their body armour, they have the same guns as the SWAT with the addition of assault rifles. They also have greater combat experience (i.e. Better in melee combat, more accurate, quicker, etc.); one of the mavericks gets replaced by a deadly coast guard helicopter with mounted turrets; authorities only try to kill you; coast guard boats become introduced with a mounted 360 degree 50 cal machine gun; authorities have no regard for collateral damage and make it their prime objective to kill you; Hydras will try to take you down if your in an aircraft. At this point there is 30% police, 30% SWAT, 30% FBI, and 10% military.

 

6 stars - The Military becomes involved on foot. They will show up in Tanks, APCs, jeeps, form blockades with barracks, and drop down from choppers. They will be equipped with body armour and a helmet, requiring 2 head shots to kill. They will also have access to the higest-grade weapons -- desert eagles, combat snipers, RPGs, heat seeking RPGs, flamethrowers, Carbine rifles, P90s, etc... They will be exceptionally proficient with their skills, boasting incredible melee capabilities along with breakneck accuracy and extreme dexterity; there will be 2 coast guard helicopters airborne; coast guard boats become abundant; At this point there are 20% police, 20% FBI, 20% SWAT, and 40% Military/coast guard.

 

[GarrowsKai]

If a single person was able to shoot down a few helicopters and mow down 100s of SWAT and FBI agents, then I'm pretty sure the Military would be drafted in in real life.  The Military are there to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, after all.

 

I'd like to see the military return because it would bring back that challenge, but just reorganise it a bit.  Rather than have standard soldiers and tanks, make it so it's more like special forces troops backed up by maybe one APC at a time rather than a full on MBT.  They should also only come out once you start to really cause trouble, say a minimum of 5 helicopters shot down and maybe 50 FBI or SWAT guys killed (whichever comes out at 5 stars) .

 

So overall have fewer guys after you, but have them use more sophisticated tactics and much better weapons, with only one heavy vehicle (APC) on the map at any one time (because they wouldn't have a whole battalion out to get one guy, as people have rightly said).  There have been occasions in recent times where the military special forces have been called in to deal with extremely high risk situations in their own country.  One example I can think of off the top of my head is the Iranian Embassy siege in London where the SAS were called upon to secure the situation.  Obviously that is Britain and not the US but the two countries are broadly similar so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen in the US under similar circumstances.

The main argument for bringing on the military is tactical prowess so special forces would be a great element since unlike the standard infantry, special forces are more advanced than SWAT teams and what not. Maybe after you kill 150+ more tactical response operatives from NoosE, SWAT, etc., law enforcment retreats and you become victim to a surprise attack by a special force unit with super advance tactics and equipment.

Exactly! Would make it far more challenging than just waves of more heavily armed guys lol!

[ACR]

If a single person was able to shoot down a few helicopters and mow down 100s of SWAT and FBI agents, then I'm pretty sure the Military would be drafted in in real life.  The Military are there to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, after all.

 

I'd like to see the military return because it would bring back that challenge, but just reorganise it a bit.  Rather than have standard soldiers and tanks, make it so it's more like special forces troops backed up by maybe one APC at a time rather than a full on MBT.  They should also only come out once you start to really cause trouble, say a minimum of 5 helicopters shot down and maybe 50 FBI or SWAT guys killed (whichever comes out at 5 stars) .

 

So overall have fewer guys after you, but have them use more sophisticated tactics and much better weapons, with only one heavy vehicle (APC) on the map at any one time (because they wouldn't have a whole battalion out to get one guy, as people have rightly said).  There have been occasions in recent times where the military special forces have been called in to deal with extremely high risk situations in their own country.  One example I can think of off the top of my head is the Iranian Embassy siege in London where the SAS were called upon to secure the situation.  Obviously that is Britain and not the US but the two countries are broadly similar so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen in the US under similar circumstances.

The main argument for bringing on the military is tactical prowess so special forces would be a great element since unlike the standard infantry, special forces are more advanced than SWAT teams and what not. Maybe after you kill 150+ more tactical response operatives from NoosE, SWAT, etc., law enforcment retreats and you become victim to a surprise attack by a special force unit with super advance tactics and equipment.

Yep, i wouldn't mind delta force for example, but i'm against regular infantry because SWAT have better tactics than regular infantry and i think OP wanted regulars so he can steal tanks and military choppers from them.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

If a single person was able to shoot down a few helicopters and mow down 100s of SWAT and FBI agents, then I'm pretty sure the Military would be drafted in in real life.  The Military are there to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, after all.

 

I'd like to see the military return because it would bring back that challenge, but just reorganise it a bit.  Rather than have standard soldiers and tanks, make it so it's more like special forces troops backed up by maybe one APC at a time rather than a full on MBT.  They should also only come out once you start to really cause trouble, say a minimum of 5 helicopters shot down and maybe 50 FBI or SWAT guys killed (whichever comes out at 5 stars) .

 

So overall have fewer guys after you, but have them use more sophisticated tactics and much better weapons, with only one heavy vehicle (APC) on the map at any one time (because they wouldn't have a whole battalion out to get one guy, as people have rightly said).  There have been occasions in recent times where the military special forces have been called in to deal with extremely high risk situations in their own country.  One example I can think of off the top of my head is the Iranian Embassy siege in London where the SAS were called upon to secure the situation.  Obviously that is Britain and not the US but the two countries are broadly similar so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen in the US under similar circumstances.

The main argument for bringing on the military is tactical prowess so special forces would be a great element since unlike the standard infantry, special forces are more advanced than SWAT teams and what not. Maybe after you kill 150+ more tactical response operatives from NoosE, SWAT, etc., law enforcment retreats and you become victim to a surprise attack by a special force unit with super advance tactics and equipment.

Yep, i wouldn't mind delta force for example, but i'm against regular infantry because SWAT have better tactics than regular infantry and i think OP wanted regulars so he can steal tanks and military choppers from them.

as little as the public knows about them, US Army Delta Force is badass. Them and the SEALs are like the US equivalent to the SAS. Anything like that in GTAV would be scary challenging. I want to actually fear the law this time around. It would be hard to incorporate them though because IRL they would just plant a bomb in one of your cars and be done with it .

 

*I only live an hour away from Delta Force's HQ at Fort Bragg too.

[GarrowsKai]

 

If a single person was able to shoot down a few helicopters and mow down 100s of SWAT and FBI agents, then I'm pretty sure the Military would be drafted in in real life.  The Military are there to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, after all.

 

I'd like to see the military return because it would bring back that challenge, but just reorganise it a bit.  Rather than have standard soldiers and tanks, make it so it's more like special forces troops backed up by maybe one APC at a time rather than a full on MBT.  They should also only come out once you start to really cause trouble, say a minimum of 5 helicopters shot down and maybe 50 FBI or SWAT guys killed (whichever comes out at 5 stars) .

 

So overall have fewer guys after you, but have them use more sophisticated tactics and much better weapons, with only one heavy vehicle (APC) on the map at any one time (because they wouldn't have a whole battalion out to get one guy, as people have rightly said).  There have been occasions in recent times where the military special forces have been called in to deal with extremely high risk situations in their own country.  One example I can think of off the top of my head is the Iranian Embassy siege in London where the SAS were called upon to secure the situation.  Obviously that is Britain and not the US but the two countries are broadly similar so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen in the US under similar circumstances.

The main argument for bringing on the military is tactical prowess so special forces would be a great element since unlike the standard infantry, special forces are more advanced than SWAT teams and what not. Maybe after you kill 150+ more tactical response operatives from NoosE, SWAT, etc., law enforcment retreats and you become victim to a surprise attack by a special force unit with super advance tactics and equipment.

Yep, i wouldn't mind delta force for example, but i'm against regular infantry because SWAT have better tactics than regular infantry and i think OP wanted regulars so he can steal tanks and military choppers from them.

as little as the public knows about them, US Army Delta Force is badass. Them and the SEALs are like the US equivalent to the SAS. Anything like that in GTAV would be scary challenging. I want to actually fear the law this time around. It would be hard to incorporate them though because IRL they would just plant a bomb in one of your cars and be done with it .

 

*I only live an hour away from Delta Force's HQ at Fort Bragg too.

Or just snipe you from 500 yards out lol. However Army snipers could be an amazing challenge and really would bring the fear level up, not knowing where you are getting shot from.

 

To make it a bit more fair though they should only pop up when you've been around the same area for a few minutes, so if you keep moving you should be fine, although then you have to deal with 'regular' special forces soldiers on ground level (as opposed to camping on a roof or somewhere defensible lol).

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

Or just snipe you from 500 yards out lol. However Army snipers could be an amazing challenge and really would bring the fear level up, not knowing where you are getting shot from.

 

To make it a bit more fair though they should only pop up when you've been around the same area for a few minutes, so if you keep moving you should be fine, although then you have to deal with 'regular' special forces soldiers on ground level (as opposed to camping on a roof or somewhere defensible lol).

Yeah law enforcement sniping needs to be improved. IV's long range rifle rounds were pathetically weak. I predict we'll see something .50 cal this time around for both the protag and law enforcement.

[kid23455]

1 star: Local cops

2 stars: More local cops

3 stars: Rare SWAT teams

4 stars: Mostly SWAT teams

5 stars: Feds join in the fun

6 stars: National Guard/Military/Similar organization.

 

The Army probably wouldn't go after one man, even if he was pretty much decimating the entire police force, but the National Guard probably would.

[GarrowsKai]

1 star: Local cops

2 stars: More local cops

3 stars: Rare SWAT teams

4 stars: Mostly SWAT teams

5 stars: Feds join in the fun

6 stars: National Guard/Military/Similar organization.

 

The Army probably wouldn't go after one man, even if he was pretty much decimating the entire police force, but the National Guard probably would.

The National Guard is more a peacekeeping division though, handling things like mass protests, natural disaster relief, evacuations and such like, as well as a reserve/defence force in true crisis times. As has been said if SWAT teams were having trouble with a guy the National Guard wouldn't exactly have the training to handle it. Most NG members (pretty much all of them bar the officers) hold civilian jobs as well as being Guardsmen/women.

[ayyob]

well in the trailer we saw a jet fighter so it might the military will be back

i will assume it will be like this :

 

1 star police with minimum chase

2 stars police chase with roadblocks .. etc

3 stars police & NOOSE will arrive along with police helicopters

4 stars FIB agents will arrive along with NOOSE & police

5 stars everyone along with military force ( soldiers on foot only )

6 stars ( maybe ) military will take over and they will brought tanks & jet fighters will hunt you down

 

well this is what i think and i hope it will be like this

 

[kid23455]

 

The National Guard is more a peacekeeping division though, handling things like mass protests, natural disaster relief, evacuations and such like, as well as a reserve/defence force in true crisis times.  As has been said if SWAT teams were having trouble with a guy the National Guard wouldn't exactly have the training to handle it.  Most NG members (pretty much all of them bar the officers) hold civilian jobs as well as being Guardsmen/women.

Well a man armed with a minigun shooting up Los Santos's finest would probably count as peacekeeping.

 

But I've always felt 6 stars was kinda like an achievement, and you should face the toughest of the tough when you get there. Tanks, fighter jets, heavily armed trucks of people. It could be anything, just something above the Feds.

[Starz]

I'd like to see the military when you get a really high wanted level, like 6 stars.

[GarrowsKai]

The National Guard is more a peacekeeping division though, handling things like mass protests, natural disaster relief, evacuations and such like, as well as a reserve/defence force in true crisis times.  As has been said if SWAT teams were having trouble with a guy the National Guard wouldn't exactly have the training to handle it.  Most NG members (pretty much all of them bar the officers) hold civilian jobs as well as being Guardsmen/women.

Well a man armed with a minigun shooting up Los Santos's finest would probably count as peacekeeping.

 

But I've always felt 6 stars was kinda like an achievement, and you should face the toughest of the tough when you get there. Tanks, fighter jets, heavily armed trucks of people. It could be anything, just something above the Feds.

That isn't what peacekeeping means, and if there was a guy who was that heavily armed and SWAT were unable to deal with it, they wouldn't send a bunch of mechanics, accountants, doctors etc. with a few weeks basic training to deal with it. That would be a case for either special forces (Delta/SEALS) or possibly Marines or Rangers who have the skills, training and equipment necessary to deal with such a threat.

 

As I said the National Guard are a reserve force who rarely if ever see front line duty.

[Grand Cannon]

Have the National Guard at Six Stars? I say yes.

[redx165]

I think:

 

1 star: Cops try to arrest you

2 stars: If you run or have a gun out cops will shoot you. If you stand still for 10 seconds than they will try to arrest you.

3 stars: Should come out when you kill 5-10 cops. Shoot to kill

4 stars: Should come out when 10-15 cops are killed. Cops, and swat team trys to stop you.

5 stars: Should come when cops or swat team 15-20 people are killed. Cops get replaced with FBI agents. So both Swat Team and FBI try to bring you down.

6 stars: Should come out when 20-25 FBI or Swat Team members get killed. FBI and Swat Team get replaced by The National Guard and trys to bring order back.

Edited August 13, 2012 by redx165