2012 VS 2013

[REHJR1974]

rockstar north is the main studio that makes ALL GTA games. and as listed all GTA games were released in the month of october. (with the exception of buggy 4 of course. hey accidents happen.) so what we can take from this proven scheduel is that all GTA games are to be october released games. not to mention what T2 boss said about not making GTA a yearly or 2 yearly game. more like every 4 years. well time's up. 2008-2012= 4 years and 4 months in october.(yes 9 mos. ok) 2012 release. no 2013. that would be idiotic and the loss of hundreds of millions in investment capitol to angry investors EVERYWHERE that would expect to see a return in their initial investment. i.e. GTA-V. A sound investment needs to be out by oct 23 2012 to make its sales in 5 months of 685 million. it can happen ....think RETAILERS....

[Geralt of Rivia]

You really believe its going to be released in 2012? Really? It's a huge game, the biggest game R* has ever made, and you hope that it will be made in a year? I voted for 2013.

This is just fail.

 

They've been making it waay before the trailer was released At least attempt to use common sense.

Really? They were on V like 10%. After the trailer was released they were Full Developing, which means 100%. Even if they worked on V before the trailer release, it still wouldn't be released in 2012. THE BIGGEST GAME EVER R* HAS MADE. Does that give you any clue that it won't be made in a year?

Do you seriously think they started making GTA 5 in like 2011? Like, really?

[initium]

rockstar north is the main studio that makes ALL GTA games. and as listed all GTA games were released in the month of october. (with the exception of buggy 4 of course. hey accidents happen.) so what we can take from this proven scheduel is that all GTA games are to be october released games. not to mention what T2 boss said about not making GTA a yearly or 2 yearly game. more like every 4 years. well time's up. 2008-2012= 4 years and 4 months in october.(yes 9 mos. ok) 2012 release. no 2013. that would be idiotic and the loss of hundreds of millions in investment capitol to angry investors EVERYWHERE that would expect to see a return in their initial investment. i.e. GTA-V. A sound investment needs to be out by oct 23 2012 to make its sales in 5 months of 685 million. it can happen ....think RETAILERS....

Also,

 

Vice City and San Andreas were very sunny, and had a bit of a summer feeling to it.. games like that sell best in winter, and very good in Autumn when the weather is sh*t in real life...

GTA IV had a bit cold weather, and even if it was delayed, it worked better in May than it would have in October...

 

GTA V will be very sunny again, probably the most sunny game they've done yet, so October release would sell great!

[Geralt of Rivia]

And you know that Rockstar already said in November that GTA V is their next game after Max Payne? TakeTwo expected 300 million dollar from Max Payne 3+ DLCs. A other game MUST come out before the end of the fiscal year.

Please read what DTUMan wrote on the page in-front of this. You're entitled to your opinion but GTA v won't be out this year and I don't see how it can possibly fit from January to March next year with Bioshock been out in February.

 

Anyway not long now before we read more of your bible...... I mean here from Take Two.

DTUMan made no sense. R* isn't gonna make $800 million off of merchandise, past GTA games, and DLC. There's absolutely no way that's gonna happen. Only GTA 5 can make that much

[initium]

You really believe its going to be released in 2012? Really? It's a huge game, the biggest game R* has ever made, and you hope that it will be made in a year? I voted for 2013.

This is just fail.

 

They've been making it waay before the trailer was released At least attempt to use common sense.

Really? They were on V like 10%. After the trailer was released they were Full Developing, which means 100%. Even if they worked on V before the trailer release, it still wouldn't be released in 2012. THE BIGGEST GAME EVER R* HAS MADE. Does that give you any clue that it won't be made in a year?

Do you seriously think they started making GTA 5 in like 2011? Like, really?

Haha! The trailer showed they were nearly finished! The world was build and everything already in motion!

 

So storyline and some other stuff is what they've been working on since November or earlier!

[gta v fanatic]

some people are really stupid believing that they started GTA V in 2011... All the details in the video had to be created before the trailer. obviousley it wouldnt have took them a year just like you guys said.

[wwinterj]

 

There's absolutely no way that's gonna happen. Only GTA 5 can make that much

Only time will tell. I'm aware you're in the October crowed and that's fine. Good luck with that.

[Geralt of Rivia]

 

There's absolutely no way that's gonna happen. Only GTA 5 can make that much

Only time will tell. I'm aware you're in the October crowed and that's fine. Good luck with that.

And good luck with your theory that'll make me cry if it's true

[wwinterj]

And good luck with your theory that'll make me cry if it's true

Yeah. I hope I'm wrong I really do but I always go with my gut feeling as I'm sure we all do. We need more light on the situation.

[REHJR1974]

You really believe its going to be released in 2012? Really? It's a huge game, the biggest game R* has ever made, and you hope that it will be made in a year? I voted for 2013.

This is just fail.

 

They've been making it waay before the trailer was released At least attempt to use common sense.

Really? They were on V like 10%. After the trailer was released they were Full Developing, which means 100%. Even if they worked on V before the trailer release, it still wouldn't be released in 2012. THE BIGGEST GAME EVER R* HAS MADE. Does that give you any clue that it won't be made in a year?

Do you seriously think they started making GTA 5 in like 2011? Like, really?

you are correct masterfocker. R*NORTH studio has a type of ritual they follow after every launch of a GTAtitle. that is a 3 month vacation for everyone. then its noses right back to the grindstone acording to sam houser.so there you have it. 2008 oct release-3 mo vacation-back to work dan co-writes 1000 page script for GTA-V then game takes shape over the next 4 total developed years. they hired over 1000 game testers. 800 for singleplayer and the best in the world of multiplayer to find any and all glitches or bugs. no matter how big or small. i wonder how they will top this A-T-L-A-N-T-I-S.... I.E. the civilization and city with everything.

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

I thought the retailers bought out the games anyway, meaning no sales from that point on would be included? (except DLCs and mobile etc)

 

 

No, not exactly. Everyone involved in getting the game to you has to or desires to make a profit - that is why AAA games cost more when they are newly released because the developer has pumped a lot of money into developing the game. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I do know that the developers make revenue from the games that are sold in either one or both, of two ways:

 

 

One; the retailer bulk-buy's copies of a game for a fixed price from a developer; in this case, Rockstar Games; who make a direct revenue from the sale with the retailer with the retailer selling it brand new to the consumers (us, obviously). This is likely done for new or upcoming games, particularly AAA titles, so that the retailer doesn't run out on stock as to meet the demand of the consumers. This is also why a retailer may have copies of a particular game in stock a few days before it is actually released and on sale to the public.

A lot of retailers don't do this anymore, they receive the games, and don't pay the supplier until the games are actually sold, this applies for a lot of stores nowadays.

Also the money doesn't usually go to the developer, most developers are paid a salary, some place may have bonuses for a top selling game, the Publisher gets most/all the money and then feed it down to the developers for bonuses or whatever.

Oh another reason why they have games a few days early is for online as well, most retailers have an online service, and they can ship it to arrive on the pre-order date if they have it early.

 

 

Two; the retailers give a percentage of profits made from sales to the developer; with the developer shipping new copies of a game to the retailer on a near-regular basis, or the retailer making a prediction on how many copies of a game will be sold within a certain period of time. This would involve the retailer working out the number of game copies sold, the price that each unit of the game was sold at and the amount of total revenue the retailer has made and working out a percentage of the profits to give to the developer which would happen no doubt quarterly. This would likely be done for older games as the retailers get a steady flow of new game copies as they are being sold.

 

This is all correct though, in case you were wondering i have a rough price breakdown of where money goes from a new release game, bear in mind this varies a bit, but it sort of gives an idea.

 

Developer - $15

Publisher - $20

Licensing - $10

Retailer - $12

Manufacturing and Distribution - $3

Royalties - give or take

-----------------------------------

 

PC is the lead platform? Most gamers don't have a $1000 gaming rig. And half of the people that do pirates it anyway. Do you even know why a lot of games don't get ported to PC anymore? It sells like sh*t.

 

Yes, Max Payne 3 is more popular on PC than consoles, the controls work far better, and it isn't a port, it was developed in parallel so it runs very well on the PC so decent computer can run it well.

Yes a lot of people do have $1000 for a gaming rig, if you want top notch gaming, well you spend the money to get it, besides which you already spend $600-700 on a normal PC anyway, that being said i do play on console because it is a simple quick way to play.

If you have a full time job as an adult, or work weekends as a student you could afford that easily within a couple months provided you balance your finances correctly, $1000 isn't that much, i spend more than that that on bills every month.

Edited July 17, 2012 by finn4life

[Ispintechno]

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

[Hammertime12]

 

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

Well said. I am also am predicting a 2012 release

 

EDIT: I forgot to give you a cookie!

Edited July 19, 2012 by Hammertime12

[saintsrow]

Bold new direction (this is pure sarcastic speculation):

 

In Oct 2012, Rockstar offers the $30 GTAV Season Pass, good for one year. Over the next several months, people who have bought the Season Pass can download GTAV HD screenshots, trailers, gameplay footage, technical videos, some really excellent start-of-game perks, some relevant minigames and special cars/weapons, and then about Feb-March 2013, Rockstar supplies a mini-GTAV, just maybe 20 city blocks, with a few cars and no save-game slots, so the Season Pass people get a head start on the ecstasy of GTAV.

 

The actual game is put on sale in July 2013 at $60. The bold new direction was to release the DLC first, while the developers finish and polish the real GTAV. The game team gets another 8 months to make the game a true masterpiece. 200 team members x 8 months = 133 extra man-years of development effort.

[Finn 7 five 11]

Bold new direction (this is pure sarcastic speculation):

 

In Oct 2012, Rockstar offers the $30 GTAV Season Pass, good for one year. Over the next several months, people who have bought the Season Pass can download GTAV HD screenshots, trailers, gameplay footage, technical videos, some really excellent start-of-game perks, some relevant minigames and special cars/weapons, and then about Feb-March 2013, Rockstar supplies a mini-GTAV, just maybe 20 city blocks, with a few cars and no save-game slots, so the Season Pass people get a head start on the ecstasy of GTAV.

 

The actual game is put on sale in July 2013 at $60. The bold new direction was to release the DLC first, while the developers finish and polish the real GTAV. The game team gets another 8 months to make the game a true masterpiece. 200 team members x 8 months = 133 extra man-years of development effort.

An interesting theory, i don't see it sitting too well with consumers though, i wouldn't buy it, why spoil the game for myself? Many people might buy it and decide they don't like the screenshots or the demo and not purchase the game.

[eagle016]

The earliest I see it released is late November, but I chose 2013. I would like to be wrong but until I see something solid I'm not expecting anything in 2012.

[Magic_Al]

Thought I'd just post the timespans between release date announcement and release for previous games:

 

Past GTA's (I checked Vice City, San Andreas and GTA IV) had their release dates announced at least 5 months before release.

 

Date announced > Released

Vice City: May 21st, 2002 > October 22nd, 2002 (5 months exactly, game in development for 1 year)

San Andreas: March 1st, 2004 > October 19th 2004 (Over 7 months, game in development for 2 years)

GTA IV (Original date expectation): May 9th, 2006 > October 19th 2007 (Original expected wait: 1 year, 5 months, game intended to be in development for 3 years)

 

Obviously IV's delay mucks things up but it shows what was planned. 3 months would be very unusual and hugely different from GTA IV's almost 1 and a half years in advance release date announcement.

GTA V has already broken any pattern by having a trailer made of in-game footage and no release date. I don't think any other Rockstar title was in a similar circumstance.

 

(L.A. Noire had a 2006 announcement trailer and no release date for years and years, but the trailer was a target render, and being a Team Bondi game it may not belong in the comparison anyway. Red Dead Redemption's 2005 video doesn't count as a trailer because it was called Old West Project and served as a RAGE demo, with no game announced until 2009.)

[Capricornus]

Well said as always Magic-Al.

 

As someone said, most (not all) people who voted for 2012 probably just did so because they want the game to be released this year, with no extra thought behind the decision. I too would lie to see a 2012 release. However, I voted for 2013. I know that a GTA game can sell extremely well with a small marketing time frame, but with the lack of details about the game at this point and the time frame between the trailer release and the release of these 2 screen shots, it seems as though 2013 is likely. Also they will not have to feel forced about releasing so many trailers/screens in a small amount of time.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

One of the best posts on this thread thus far people. Worth the read. Another person who uses logic, historical trends, and the laws of economics as support for their stance.

[KFranchise]

 

The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11

 

GTA V marketing hasn't started yet. The trailer was just an announcement.

Edited July 18, 2012 by KFranchise

[Virus111]

It is what come in the next 2 weeks otherwise make Take-Two losses, and 31 July is before the Finance Conference

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11

 

GTA V marketing hasn't started yet. The trailer was just an announcement.

An announcement is marketing, not full blown marketing but it is the beginning of a marketing campaign and now we have had screenshots as well.

Edited July 18, 2012 by finn4life

[GR7]

 

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

I think it's safe to assume Agent is a early next gen game at this point, and since we havn't heard of any new project from R* GTAV basically has all of 2013 to itself logically it would make more sense to push it into 2013. It's not wise to bet on October even if that is the target release there is a high chance the game will get delayed at some point like every other R* game has this generation.

[esvi]

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

One of the best posts on this thread thus far people. Worth the read. Another person who uses logic, historical trends, and the laws of economics as support for their stance.

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

One of the best posts on this thread thus far people. Worth the read. Another person who uses logic, historical trends, and the laws of economics as support for their stance.

I love how when you make a point everyone debates it and provides logical reasons against it, but when someone else makes a point you have no argument so you resort to things like <--- that.

 

Obviously your logic is more flawed than ours if you have no counter argument, releasing 1 month before or after Bioshock makes no sense, releasing 5 months after Max Payne 3 does.

 

Edit: I just remembered borderlands 2 releasing in September.

Edited July 18, 2012 by finn4life

[aldisdzerve]

I REALLY want it in 2012, but i think it will be in October 2013....

[esvi]

 

I'm definitely in the 2012 camp until at least July 31st. If at that time T2 drops the biggest bomb ever on it's shareholders reneging on a planned $700,000,000 from months of GTAV because everyone went on vacation before the game was complete and surprise(!), Max Payne 3 was really all they had up there sleeves report flows through... I would change my vote to never. At least from R*. R* would be dismantled and all intellectual property including GTAV would be sold to EA... and wait... we would still get GTAV in 2012... lol.

 

GTAV - Oct'12-Dec'12

 

Agent(?) - Spring/Summer '13

 

GTAV DLC#1 - Fall '13

 

(2013, new title + safety)

 

 

The numbers point to GTAV this year, as does GTA activity. The game has been marketed afterall since Nov. '11 and as angry at Rockstar I have been, they did it. It's the most talked about game, most googled, most anticipated. They aren't going to give us that much. Bet next trailer will be pretty bleak as far as in game details too, just showing off is all it will be. It would likely be more environment/vehicle focused.

 

For the 2013ers, you are either sick of disappointment and are hurting, or reading into the piddly flow of information wrong. You ain't never gonna get too much at once. Although I won't dis you too much because if July 31st goes badly enough I could be joining you. Or in the newly developed R* is dead meat crowd.

 

But R* doesn't seem worried about missing target goal, so neither am I. I'd go farther and say GTAV is not only 2012 ready, I'd say it's been playable since E3 and was shown there behind closed doors. Reports of seeing R*'s masterpeice and top employees taking end of game vacation time I think might be out there, although credible sources I'm not to sure.

 

Now that their marketing Nazi got the axe and the dust has settled it would appear R* may be slipping us more info as time goes on, maybe something big just before July 31st like how we got trailer #1... in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

Failure to blow a billion dollar plan to shareholders will be a dark day for R* and T2, and to us waiting for GTAV...

One of the best posts on this thread thus far people. Worth the read. Another person who uses logic, historical trends, and the laws of economics as support for their stance.

I love how when you make a point everyone debates it and provides logical reasons against it, but when someone else makes a point you have no argument so you resort to things like <--- that.

 

Obviously your logic is more flawed than ours if you have no counter argument, releasing 1 month before or after Bioshock makes no sense, releasing 5 months after Max Payne 3 does.

 

Edit: I just remembered borderlands 2 releasing in September.

that's funny.. very funny indeed

 

maybe if you hadn't your head so deep inside your ass

you could go four pages back and see that it has already been discussed

and that I already proved my point

MANY times

with strong arguements and facts.

 

this guy put them all together in one post

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1061489592

 

(the last quote of his post is the main post on which my conclusions where based on)

 

 

EDIT : oh sh*t you already quoted me on that page...!

it means YOU are the one IGNORING THE COUNTER AGRUMENTS

so

before we can debate again, either accept constructive criticism,

and counter arguments based on f*cking facts

or shut the f*ck up.

Edited July 18, 2012 by esvi

[Ispintechno]

Sorry, the only real facts I see to support a 2013 release is that not enough marketing has happened yet and other games from other developers are going to be released on (X)'12 or (X)'13.

 

A 6 week marketing blitz would make gamers hold their breath in anticipation IMO. Plus the marketing director was let go, so it would seem R* and/or T2 wasn't happy with the way this has been handled to date, which could mean anything really to any marketing/game delay theory.

 

The only logic to support 2013 so far is that T2 thought Max Payne 3 was $900,000,000 game and told the shareholders this. Jesus... The financial facts show 2012 to be Grand Theft Auto year. Butt hurt feelings mean very little, and quotes snipped from the news wire saying GTA isn't ready is also contradicted by R* in other quotes from the same Q&A. R* are cryptic sonofabitches and are just keeping you guessing and doubting, believing than confused. It's what they do to throw you off the scent. The fact they are actively doing this right now rather than the total silence game indicates something big, very soon.

 

I'm not sure boarderlands or bioshock will even stall or alter a release date either. I think R* releases games when they done and nothing from other developers really matters. R* are too big to care about these strategies, it's the smaller houses that would alter and delay due to the game market. The big kid doesn't move out of the way of the little one. If anything there has been some get out of way of fall '12 activity from everyone else, and boarderlands is sneaking in a month before. Very smart.

 

Also in a T2 presentation to the shareholders for this years forecast had a big GTAV logo smack dab in the middle of it. Believe it. At least believe it was scheduled to happen.

Edited July 18, 2012 by Ispintechno

[Andreas]

 

Sorry, the only real facts I see to support a 2013 release is that not enough marketing has happened yet and other games from other developers are going to be released on (X)'12 or (X)'13.

 

A 6 week marketing blitz would make gamers hold their breath in anticipation IMO. Plus the marketing director was let go, so it would seem R* and/or T2 wasn't happy with the way this has been handled to date, which could mean anything really to any marketing/game delay theory.

 

The only logic to support 2013 so far is that T2 thought Max Payne 3 was $900,000,000 game and told the shareholders this. Jesus... The financial facts show 2012 to be Grand Theft Auto year. Butt hurt feelings mean very little, and quotes snipped from the news wire saying GTA isn't ready is also contradicted by R* in other quotes from the same Q&A. R* are cryptic sonofabitches and are just keeping you guessing and doubting, believing than confused. It's what they do to throw you off the scent. The fact they are actively doing this right now rather than the total silence game indicates something big, very soon.

 

I'm not sure boarderlands or bioshock will even stall or alter a release date either. I think R* releases games when they done and nothing from other developers really matters. R* are too big to care about these strategies, it's the smaller houses that would alter and delay due to the game market. The big kid doesn't move out of the way of the little one. If anything there has been some get out of way of fall '12 activity from everyone else, and boarderlands is sneaking in a month before. Very smart.

 

Also in a T2 presentation to the shareholders for this years forecast had a big GTAV logo smack dab in the middle of it. Believe it. At least believe it was scheduled to happen.

TakeTwo expected 300 million dollar for Max Payne 3 + DLCs and 150 million dollar for catalogs from Rockstar. But TakeTwo expected exactly 1.08 billion dollar from Rockstar. Rockstar have even to surpass the preditions. So more than 650 million dolar are open for a another game. Which game? Rockstar said after the GTA V trailer that GTA V is their next game after Max Payne 3. So this game that have to earn 650 million dollar is GTA V. Btw Bioshock and Borderlands are games from 2K and not Rockstar.

[urbanfire]

I'd like a 2012 release, but knowing R* its not going to happen. So I voted 2013.