bucsfan Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Unless they start marketing really soon, I just don't see how they fit it in 2012. Hopefully we get some info soon though. I have no problem waiting until 2013, just as long as I got something pretty to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 There were another trailer for RDR and LA Noire by the way. LA Noires one was in august 2009 and RDRs one was in 2005^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sk9YjbbyJw Ahhh and now, while you have the list with rockstars releases done: Can you tell me when R* did release 2 AAA games in the same year? I can't see it in your list. Midnight club doesnt really count... Its just wishful thinking what you're doing, mate. The 2005 Old West Project video cannot be considered a trailer, teaser, or preview for a game that was not announced until 2009. It was a tech demo from the studio that had recently completed Red Dead Revolver. It was not intended to announce an actual future game then. The 2006 L.A. Noire trailer was revealed to be a target render (not actual footage of any actual build of the game) because the PS3, the intended target platform at the time, had yet to be released. Rockstar made a point of titling the first proper L.A. Noire trailer in 2010 "First Trailer". This. GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamFM Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 October might be right - but 2012 is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominik1411 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Ahhh and now, while you have the list with rockstars releases done: Can you tell me when R* did release 2 AAA games in the same year? I can't see it in your list. Midnight club doesnt really count... Its just wishful thinking what you're doing, mate. Yeah .. "MP3 does not really count as AAA game.. " is as valid statement as is your "Midnight club does not count". Max Payne 3 does count as a AAA title.... It has mostly like 90 / 100 points. The sales werent that good but that doesnt make a game worse... Midnight Club is a race game and we all know that R* are profesionals with shooter games. Thats why I said it doesnt count. (and it has like 80 / 100 score^^). Edited July 24, 2012 by Dominik1411 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominik1411 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 There were another trailer for RDR and LA Noire by the way. LA Noires one was in august 2009 and RDRs one was in 2005^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sk9YjbbyJw Ahhh and now, while you have the list with rockstars releases done: Can you tell me when R* did release 2 AAA games in the same year? I can't see it in your list. Midnight club doesnt really count... Its just wishful thinking what you're doing, mate. The 2005 Old West Project video cannot be considered a trailer, teaser, or preview for a game that was not announced until 2009. It was a tech demo from the studio that had recently completed Red Dead Revolver. It was not intended to announce an actual future game then. The 2006 L.A. Noire trailer was revealed to be a target render (not actual footage of any actual build of the game) because the PS3, the intended target platform at the time, had yet to be released. Rockstar made a point of titling the first proper L.A. Noire trailer in 2010 "First Trailer". This. Nevertheless they dont release their games 8 month after the first trailer.... They release the game 8 months after the real marketing campaign started. "This" is not really an argument. As u can see in your list, R* started with their marketing in september-november and the game itself released in May. It was like this in the last 4 years, so why do u still think its coming in 2012??? Like I said, its just wishful thinking. Count with the start of the marketing in october or november. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nevertheless they dont release their games 8 month after the first trailer.... They release the game 8 months after the real marketing campaign started. "This" is not really an argument. As u can see in your list, R* started with their marketing in september-november and the game itself released in May. It was like this in the last 4 years, so why do u still think its coming in 2012??? Like I said, its just wishful thinking. Count with the start of the marketing in october or november. All games were delayed this console generation. That's the reason why every game was released inn the spring. I don't speak about the real start of the marketing campaigns. I speak about the time gap between the first trailers and the releases. You can clearly see that every game was released between 2-8 months after the first trailer. The RDR trailer what you talking about was a RAGE demonstration and this L.A. Noire trailer that you talking about wasn't really ingame-footage like normal trailers because this trailer was announced before the release of the PS3. So my post wasn't just bullsh*t. But I think you still don't know what I want to say. If a trailer comes out then that means that the release is not far anymore. GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFranchise Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nevertheless they dont release their games 8 month after the first trailer.... They release the game 8 months after the real marketing campaign started. "This" is not really an argument. As u can see in your list, R* started with their marketing in september-november and the game itself released in May. It was like this in the last 4 years, so why do u still think its coming in 2012??? Like I said, its just wishful thinking. Count with the start of the marketing in october or november. All games were delayed this console generation. That's the reason why every game was released inn the spring. I don't speak about the real start of the marketing campaigns. I speak about the time gap between the first trailers and the releases. You can clearly see that every game was released between 2-8 months after the first trailer. The RDR trailer what you talking about was a RAGE demonstration and this L.A. Noire trailer that you talking about wasn't really ingame-footage like normal trailers because this trailer was announced before the release of the PS3. So my post wasn't just bullsh*t. But I think you still don't know what I want to say. If a trailer comes out then that means that the release is not far anymore. True, but without THIS MUCH MARKETING? We got 2 screenshots and a trailer. RDR had more before it got delayed, LA Noire had mor before it got delayed, and so did Max Payne 3. R* loves to break records, so they HAVE to promoted the hell outta the game. Yeah SA was one of the best PS2 games ever with little marketing, but R* has stopped rushing games out like they used to. They are risk-takers, but they have calmed down in this gen of consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamFM Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Have you guys ever considered that we don´t know the release date because there is none? The game is in full production and too far out to put a date on it - it´s that simple. It´s never ever coming out in 2012. Don´t fool yourselves - you will be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFranchise Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Have you guys ever considered that we don´t know the release date because there is none? The game is in full production and too far out to put a date on it - it´s that simple. It´s never ever coming out in 2012. Don´t fool yourselves - you will be disappointed. I Might need to put that in the signature......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamFM Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Have you guys ever considered that we don´t know the release date because there is none? The game is in full production and too far out to put a date on it - it´s that simple. It´s never ever coming out in 2012. Don´t fool yourselves - you will be disappointed. I Might need to put that in the signature......... You´re welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeteaFive Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 The game is in developpement since middle 2008, they already have Euphoria and Rage so they won lot of time and money. 2012 is possible, and the two screens are an alpha of the game i think because of aliasing and some crappy textures ... Imo, they show us those screens to think that the game is very far to be done and it works... I think the game is 95 % achevied, they just have to correct bugs, glitches and others things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 True, but without THIS MUCH MARKETING? We got 2 screenshots and a trailer. RDR had more before it got delayed, LA Noire had mor before it got delayed, and so did Max Payne 3. R* loves to break records, so they HAVE to promoted the hell outta the game. Yeah SA was one of the best PS2 games ever with little marketing, but R* has stopped rushing games out like they used to. They are risk-takers, but they have calmed down in this gen of consoles. Rockstar already said we'll see a few another screenshots and a second trailer. That's enough. Dan Houser said in a interview that Rockstar will NOT make a full-blown marketing campaign anymore. They want to keep the surprise and most people know that they can trust Rockstar, the best gaming comapny ever. GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedBull Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Both the English and German gta.wikia pages show 2012 as release date. The English page says 2012 for console versions and 2013 for the PC version, which seems reasonable, since R* has always released the PC version a few months after the console versions. On the other hand, the Spanish page has 2012-2014 as release date, which doesn't make any sense at all, because R* say they want to release the game in fiscal year 2012, i.e. by the end of March 2013. And delaying the game till mid-2013 or even early 2014 would mean a tremendous financial loss for the company and they've been working on the game for 3 full years now, so it should be done by the end of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Both the English and German gta.wikia pages show 2012 as release date. The English page says 2012 for console versions and 2013 for the PC version, which seems reasonable, since R* has always released the PC version a few months after the console versions. On the other hand, the Spanish page has 2012-2014 as release date, which doesn't make any sense at all, because R* say they want to release the game in fiscal year 2012, i.e. by the end of March 2013. And delaying the game till mid-2013 or even early 2014 would mean a tremendous financial loss for the company and they've been working on the game for 3 full years now, so it should be done by the end of this year. Or they make this like on Max Payne 3. They developed the PC version and the console version at the same time and the release was nearly simultaneous. The PC version came out two weeks after the console version. GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobster124 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I just have a feeling it's going to be 2013, because I just can't see it to happen and have they started the promoting stage yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevAKAGhost Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 True, but without THIS MUCH MARKETING? We got 2 screenshots and a trailer. RDR had more before it got delayed, LA Noire had mor before it got delayed, and so did Max Payne 3. R* loves to break records, so they HAVE to promoted the hell outta the game. Yeah SA was one of the best PS2 games ever with little marketing, but R* has stopped rushing games out like they used to. They are risk-takers, but they have calmed down in this gen of consoles. Rockstar already said we'll see a few another screenshots and a second trailer. That's enough. Dan Houser said in a interview that Rockstar will NOT make a full-blown marketing campaign anymore. They want to keep the surprise and most people know that they can trust Rockstar, the best gaming comapny ever. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want Butter With That? Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I think that the facts are being blurred by what people want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Source? Here from an interview with Dan Houser: "In this rare interview, Houser outlines how the company makes its decisions -- from booting Max Payne into the future to deciding not to give players much of a window into its games prior to their release. He also discusses lessons learned from Red Dead Redemption and the creative bible for the Grand Theft Auto series." Here is the full interview: Click! Is this enough proof, good sir? GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadyslady Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Tons of evidence to support 2012, barely, if any, to support 2013. Whoever says 2013, I don't know what you're talking about where's the evidence for 2012? if you're honest to yourself you'll see that 2013 is the year for gta v. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtav nut Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Tons of evidence to support 2012, barely, if any, to support 2013. Whoever says 2013, I don't know what you're talking about where's the evidence for 2012? if you're honest to yourself you'll see that 2013 is the year for gta v. The trailer wouldn't have been shown in 2011 if it was releasing in 2013, it would've been shown this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 The trailer wouldn't have been shown in 2011 if it was releasing in 2013, it would've been shown this year. This. Rockstar have never released a trailer 2 years before the release. GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukiEiri Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Tons of evidence to support 2012, barely, if any, to support 2013. Whoever says 2013, I don't know what you're talking about where's the evidence for 2012? if you're honest to yourself you'll see that 2013 is the year for gta v. Take Two is the source. Let me quote ... ONCE MORE: Take-Two is providing its financial outlook for the first quarter ending June 30, 2012 and fiscal year ending March 31, 2013 as follows: First Quarter Fiscal Year Ending 6/30/2012 Ending 3/31/2013 Net Revenue $225 to $275 Million $1.75 to $1.85 Billion Non-GAAP net income (loss) per diluted share (1) ($0.75) to ($0.60) $2.00 to $2.25 See? They think that they'll make 1,75 Billion this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamFM Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Can we reset the poll? I´d like to see if it would turn out differently now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadyslady Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 The trailer wouldn't have been shown in 2011 if it was releasing in 2013, it would've been shown this year. This. Rockstar have never released a trailer 2 years before the release. oh...you're wrong. red dead redemption's trailer...and la noire's trailer, the very first video were released much earlier. but this is your evidence? sorry and don't take it in vain, but that's ridiculous. you talk about evidence of releasing a game by its trailer history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) oh...you're wrong. red dead redemption's trailer...and la noire's trailer, the very first video were released much earlier. but this is your evidence? sorry and don't take it in vain, but that's ridiculous. you talk about evidence of releasing a game by its trailer history? No, I'm not wrong, sir. Don't talk if you don't know what you're tlking about. By your siganutre I can see that you're very gullible. There were another trailer for RDR and LA Noire by the way. LA Noires one was in august 2009 and RDRs one was in 2005^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sk9YjbbyJw Ahhh and now, while you have the list with rockstars releases done: Can you tell me when R* did release 2 AAA games in the same year? I can't see it in your list. Midnight club doesnt really count... Its just wishful thinking what you're doing, mate. The 2005 Old West Project video cannot be considered a trailer, teaser, or preview for a game that was not announced until 2009. It was a tech demo from the studio that had recently completed Red Dead Revolver. It was not intended to announce an actual future game then. The 2006 L.A. Noire trailer was revealed to be a target render (not actual footage of any actual build of the game) because the PS3, the intended target platform at the time, had yet to be released. Rockstar made a point of titling the first proper L.A. Noire trailer in 2010 "First Trailer". Edited July 25, 2012 by Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadyslady Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 No, I'm not wrong, sir. Don't talk if you don't know what you're tlking about. By your siganutre I can see that you're very gullible. sorry, but you are wrong, even stated this your own. these are trailers. and there's a bigger gap than one year. hey i'm not that vain to accept it. i would even accept that adrian is not the protagonist. but where is the proof? you only believe in it, just like i believe this leak in my sig. i see no proof, if you had proof, damn, i'm the first to accept it. but you don't have proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Oh I don't care if you believe me or not. This old western trailer in 2005 was a RAGE demo and this L.A. Noire trailer that you're talking about wasn't really ingame footage. If this was the first trailer why would Rockstar name the trailer from 2010 "First Trailer"? GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackandWhite23 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Well WELCOME BACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplecrs13 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I hope it's in 2012 but It will probably de in 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Well WELCOME BACK Yeah, welcome back. From the "2012 vs 2012 Part 2"-topic. Disagree. February is totally possible. Just space Bioshock and GTA out for about 3 Weeks ( put out Bioshock before GTA ) and you are golden. Early March also entirely possible. Just make really good preorder incentives and it should be fine. But, I have a feeling T2 will correct their forecast and GTA V will come out in May. I think the game was delayed internally without telling anybody. The marketing is simply not what it should and would be for a game that is supposed to come out soon. First of all you have to know that the sales of the games are in the fall WAY WAY higher than in the start of a new year. A release in January would be stupid because most people don't have much money after christmas. February would be stupid because of Bioshock Infinite. Why? It's a big AAA-title and the sales in late winter early spring are a disaster. It wouldn't be suicide to release GTA V in the fall. Many people said why Bioshock? What is with NBA 2K13/Borderlands 2/XCOM etc? Well in the fall the sales are way higher than at the start of a new year. So most AAA-title will be released in the fall. The potencial of the sales are way higher. TakeTwo changed the end of the fiscal year from October 31st to March 31st. Why? Because they want to maximize their profits in the fall. March would be too late to make 650 million dollar real income. Don't come with this useless point "GTA IV made 500 million dollar in the first week". This point is completely invalid. Yeah, the retailer made 500 million dollar. Now calculate this minus the money that the retailer earns minus the money for licenses minus the money of manufacturing and distribution etc etc. And there you have it - the real income. The real income of GTA IV in the first week was less than 300 million dollar but Rockstar sold 6 (!) million units of the game in the first week and 12 million units in the first year. GTA V must theoretically sell more than 12 million units. Do you really think that this is possible in a few weeks? If yes then you're really delusional and crazy at the same time. The pre-ordering wouldn't make this better. The money from the pre-ordering is even laughable to the profit they must make. On the last conference TakeTwo said that the supposed release date of GTA V is NOT delayed yet and the game make good progress in developement. And how the hell do you want to know if TakeTwo correct their predictions? Are you Nostradamus or is your father Strauss Zelnick? Don't expect a big-ass promotion with tons of info and all this bullcrap like with Max Payne 3. Here from an interview with Dan Houser: "In this rare interview, Houser outlines how the company makes its decisions -- from booting Max Payne into the future to deciding not to give players much of a window into its games prior to their release. He also discusses lessons learned from Red Dead Redemption and the creative bible for the Grand Theft Auto series." Here's the full interview: Click! Edited July 27, 2012 by Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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