why PC version always coming so late ?

[ACR]

Why would someone buy game which he don't know what is like when he could try it for free and buy it later or not. PC and console gamers have same mentality in terms of piracy.

you just shot your own argument in the foot.

 

at least console gamers have the ability to legally try games by RENTING them.

on the PC that option does not exist.

 

there's no viable rental service for PC games.

apples, meet oranges...

Console gamers who rent game most probably won't buy that game but only rent it or buy used game and can you blame them with repetitive and rehashed games now days?

You got that right PC gamers don't have option to rent game, but either way there will always be piracy and maybe there is less of it on consoles, there is no such drastic difference between piracy on all platforms for developers to delay or not release some titles for PC at all.

[El Dildo]

 

Console gamers who rent game most probably won't buy that game

uh, that's a pretty big assumption for a point that you have no way of supporting.

 

 

there will always be piracy and maybe there is less of it on consoles, there is no such drastic difference between piracy on all platforms for developers to delay or not release some titles for PC at all.

keep in mind I was never defending the developers.

 

I was simply telling people WHY they sometimes make those decisions.

don't take out your anger on me personally.

[ACR]

 

keep in mind I was never defending the developers.

 

I was simply telling people WHY they sometimes make those decisions.

don't take out your anger on me personally.

How did you presume that I'm angry at you? I don't have reason to be.

 

Developers do have reason and their strategy is to maximize profits from buying consoles, that is my opinion for now.

[mkey82]

I'll reflect only on a part of your spoutings, don't have the time nor willpower to delve deeper.

 

 

and they know that if you only release the PC version first, it won't sell as well as it would if you release it after a console exclusive run.

Are you saying that the PC version of the game sells better if you release it at a later date? If yes, that ranks among top ten bullsh*t stories I have heard on this forum.

If you were saying a PC exclusive title would sell less then a title released on all the platforms at the same time... no sh*t, Sherlock! You must be a genius, in your own way. Nobody here is calling for exclusive deals, we're against them, in any shape or form.

 

 

trust me, the industry has studied these trends for at least 10 years.

Yes and the "industry" hasn't done any proper PC releases in about 10 years. These developers of yours should actually *try* to publish a decent PC release and *then* talk out of their asses.

 

 

they KNOW what happens when they release a game across multiple platforms at the same time.

Yes, it sells overall better, but less people get conned into buying something they don't want/need. Like a console.

 

 

you guys are missing the point.

more people own consoles than game-ready PC's.

 

yes but not ANYWHERE NEAR as much as on PC...

the piracy issue on consoles is barely a fraction of the amount seen with the PC.

Aren't these two statements of yours in a major collision? How can such a lowly PC user base be a better ground for piracy (in terms of lost revenues) then the console one?

When comparing PCs and consoles while estimating which is more "game ready" PC has to compete with years old hardware. In other words, what was considered to be a game ready PC five years ago, today is laughable.

 

 

right now we actually do know that. it's not a big secret or anything.

Do you have any source? Are you even aware of the amount of pirated console products that's being sold as we speak? Are you? For some reason, for many console gamers it's easier to buy an already burned game copy then to download and burn it themselves.

 

There is more piracy on the PC obviously, but not WAY WAY more. "Revenues lost" is another subject, though.

 

 

as it exists right now, it's easier to pirate for the PC than it is for consoles.

Depends how you look at it, but from your point of view I understand why you'd think something like that.

 

 

generally speaking it's harder to detect console piracy. it's not impossible.

 

there's a lot of voided warranties...

Yeah, MS did a marvelous job on that one. What *was* impossible for them was detecting which console actually did run pirated games, they just assumed most did. Great work.

 

 

at least console gamers have the ability to legally try games by RENTING them.

Ask your developer friends what they think about renting, they must be in love with the concept, especially in this era of maximized profits.

 

 

there's no viable rental service for PC games.

Guess again. Check out what some DD services offer and come back to us with the new info and your adjusted stance.

 

 

I was simply telling people WHY they sometimes make those decisions.

Your reasoning makes as much sense as theirs. i.e. none. I'm just telling you my opinion.

[Gtaghost22]

Because they need time to port it..

 

Off-Topic: i really don't want to start a PC/Console war but some stupid posts in this topic makes me very sick, so i have to say/admit that even though i'm a console player, it's very clear that it goes like this:

 

PC > PS3 > X360 (its a fact btw)

[Cole Phelps Gta]

Because you're not real fans. You just want to mod the game anyway. So you should have to wait imo. I deserve the game first because i don't need mods or M.P to enjoy it. I'm a true fan

 

#Truth hurts

[mkey82]

I'm a true fan

 

U R FUNNY

[xNewtype Acex]

 

Because you're not real fans. You just want to mod the game anyway. So you should have to wait imo. I deserve the game first because i don't need mods or M.P to enjoy it. I'm a true fan

 

#Truth hurts

 

Console gamers, ladies and gentlemen, eating shlt and asking for seconds since 1990.

[Tashan]

A very interesting question.

I too would like to know since programming of the PC Game(s) is always required, if it needs to be ported to other consoles, still Console product is always scheduled for an early release.

A port to a console often has to be scaled down, whereas porting to the PC often opens up new improvements

 

I think for PC the modding community often poses a big hurdle for the Developers in milking profits even further from releasing DLC's e.g. Elder scroll series.

Releasing on consoles first means No or less piracy and No Moding

 

Is it possible Modding "console gaming" similar to PC modding?? If not, WHY?

 

 

[Gtaghost22]

 

Because you're not real fans. You just want to mod the game anyway. So you should have to wait imo. I deserve the game first because i don't need mods or M.P to enjoy it. I'm a true fan

 

#Truth hurts

 

Console gamers, ladies and gentlemen, eating shlt and asking for seconds since 1990.

Go back to your boring World of WarCraft kid, and let us console players enjoy our awesome exclusives (i'm talking about PS3 here)

 

PS: no offence to respectful PC players like Street Mix, i just had to reply to this troll

[xNewtype Acex]

 

Go back to your boring World of WarCraft kid

 

I have never played WoW on my life, or any other MMO for that matter.

 

Oh and before somebody brings them up, I don't play MOBAs either.

 

 

and let us console players enjoy our awesome exclusives (i'm talking about PS3 here)

 

Oh god yes, I forgot, those awesome console exclusives that run at sub 30 FPS on upscaled "1080p" HD.

 

 

i just had to reply to this troll

 

Not a troll, friend, just someone that doesn't like how modern game companies try to continuously rape your wallet, and how some people actually allow them too.

 

Hint: Most people who do, play on consoles.

 

 

Is it possible Modding "console gaming" similar to PC modding?? If not, WHY?

 

I only know of one console game that could be modded, the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament 3.

Edited May 3, 2012 by xNewtype Acex

[mkey82]

^^^ man, you shouldn't impose on their rights. I too find some of their decisions strange, but I really don't care to question them, especially not on a multiplatform board. For me personally a console would fit for maybe 10% of my computing needs, but I realize there are people who can say something equivalent about the PC. Hence, you should accept that and not allow yourself to be provoked by some random trolls. Generalization always leads to grief.

 

 

I think for PC the modding community often poses a big hurdle for the Developers in milking profits even further from releasing DLC's e.g. Elder scroll series.

Releasing on consoles first means No or less piracy and No Moding

Well, yes this is actually a very good argument. Modding can indeed cripple DLC as people more often then not can create quite superior content (especially as far as modelling goes), if the game mechanics allow it.

Edited May 3, 2012 by mkey82

[Gtaghost22]

 

Go back to your boring World of WarCraft kid

 

I have never played WoW on my life, or any other MMO for that matter.

 

 

and let us console players enjoy our awesome exclusives (i'm talking about PS3 here)

 

Oh god yes, I forgot, those awesome console exclusives that run at sub 30 FPS on upscaled "1080p" HD.

 

 

i just had to reply to this troll

 

Not a troll, friend, just someone that doesn't like how modern game companies try to continuously rape your wallet, and how some people actually allow them too.

 

Hint: Most people who do, play on consoles.

 

 

Is it possible Modding "console gaming" similar to PC modding?? If not, WHY?

 

I only know of one console game that could be modded, the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament 3.

Sorry for calling you atroll mate i just hate when PC fanboys constantly bash consoles for no reason, i mean ok we get it PC have way better graphics than consoles but you know a high end gaming PC is a lot more expenisve than a console so kinda get what you pay for so you guys don't have remind us everytime that console games are only 720p/30FPS and sh*t like that, oh and btw 1080p will not make you version of the game better than mine as its the same game you know, its not just about graphics gameplay is way more important

[El Dildo]

 

Your reasoning makes as much sense as theirs. i.e. none. I'm just telling you my opinion.

you're kind of a dumbass if you think my reasoning = theirs.

 

I've simply explained to people what numerous game developers have already said in press releases and public statements over the years.

I never said I was defending it.

 

but congratulations on wasting whatever amount of time it took you to vehemently break down every single sentence of every single post I've made in this topic. you really accomplished a lot.

[xNewtype Acex]

^^^ man, you shouldn't impose on their rights. I too find some of their decisions strange, but I really don't care to question them, especially not on a multiplatform board. For me personally a console would fit for maybe 10% of my computing needs, but I realize there are people who can say something equivalent about the PC. Hence, you should accept that and not allow yourself to be provoked by some random trolls. Generalization always leads to grief.

 

 

I think for PC the modding community often poses a big hurdle for the Developers in milking profits even further from releasing DLC's e.g. Elder scroll series.

Releasing on consoles first means No or less piracy and No Moding

Well, yes this is actually a very good argument. Modding can indeed cripple DLC as people more often then not can create quite superior content (especially as far as modelling goes), if the game mechanics allow it.

Weren't there rumors that MS wanted to charge for mods?

 

Google links only lead me to articles claiming how MS wants to charge for DLC content free on other platforms.

[mkey82]

^^^^ IDK but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

but you know a high end gaming PC is a lot more expenisve than a console

Now you're doing the same mistake. If you don't realize the real prices of PC hardware which can match the console output easily, you should restrain yourself from making comments about it.

[xNewtype Acex]

^^^^ IDK but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

but you know a high end gaming PC is a lot more expenisve than a console

Now you're doing the same mistake. If you don't realize the real prices of PC hardware which can match the console output easily, you should restrain yourself from making comments about it.

Don't you just love it when they bring up this argument?

 

Because obviously you need a $4000 Alienware computer to play games.

[Gtaghost22]

^^^^ IDK but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

but you know a high end gaming PC is a lot more expenisve than a console

Now you're doing the same mistake. If you don't realize the real prices of PC hardware which can match the console output easily, you should restrain yourself from making comments about it.

Don't you just love it when they bring up this argument?

 

Because obviously you need a $4000 Alienware computer to play games.

Can you get a high end gaming PC that play games at 1080p/60FPS for just 199$ ?? If yes then sign me up for one

[mkey82]

Well, it's ignorance sadly. They're just repeating the mantra over and over again.

 

There is no doubt PC gaming requires more money (not that much for same performance, though) and some know-how but it can also offer a lot more for those who are interested. The sad thing is, this bullsh*t is going to perpetuate because both MS and Sony like people bickering about their crap. Sad business, really, it's always the end user who bites the bullet.

 

 

Can you get a high end gaming PC that play games at 1080p/60FPS for just 199$ ?? If yes then sign me up for one

Can you show me a console that can run games at at least PC hardware level from five years ago for $199? If yes, good for you, but I still wouldn't like to own one.

 

BTW I won't even divulge how far is your console from 1080/60, not even sure you can pull that in 2D gaming so I really don't get why would you entertain that point.

Edited May 3, 2012 by mkey82

[Gtaghost22]

 

Can you get a high end gaming PC that play games at 1080p/60FPS for just 199$ ?? If yes then sign me up for one

Can you show me a console that can run games at at least PC hardware level from five years ago for $199? If yes, good for you, but I still wouldn't like to own one.

 

BTW I won't even divulge how far is your console from 1080/60, not even sure you can pull that in 2D gaming so I really don't get why would you entertain that point.

I didn't say that consoles can play game in 1080p/60FPS i was just saying if gaming PCs are really that cheap then give me one for less than maybe like 200-£250 and then maybe i will buy it, its not like im against PC gaming or something i just find it a waste of money if you are a person that doesn't game that much or dont care about mods and MMOs which is in this case that person is me as (sadly) i dont have that much time for video games like i used to 2-3 years ago, oh let's me just remind you again:

 

i'm not against PC gaming, i just find it pointless to buy a gaming PC if you dont even have that much time to play on it so i'm going to stick with consoles for now (maybe i will buy a gaming PC in the future )

 

PS: Wipeout HD on PS3 runs in "native" 1080p

[mkey82]

^^^^ In no way do I disprove your right to choose what fits your needs the best, but there are really no apologies for talking bullsh*t, are there?

 

In hope to educate, I assembled this PC which should fit xbox performance

 

 

-	Item	Pcs	Price
1	APEX SK-393-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case	1	$21.99
2	ZOTAC GF6100-E-E AM3 (up to 65 watt TDP) / AM2+ / AM2 NVIDIA nForce 430 MCP Mini ITX AMD Motherboard	1	$49.99
3	ASUS EAH5450-PCIE-512-CO-R Radeon HD 5450 512MB DDR2 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card	1	$19.99
4	LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM	1	$18.99
5	SPARKLE FSP300-60ATV 300W ATX12V Power Supply	1	$14.99
6	Logitech F310 Gamepad with broad game support and customizable buttons	1	$23.99
7	Logitech Gift - Blacklight Retribution	1	$0.00
8	Rendition by Crucial 1GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model RM12864BA1339	1	$8.99
9	AllComponents 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory Model AC2/667X64/1024	1	$13.99
10	AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX450WFGMBOX	1	$77.99
-	Subtotal	-	$250.91

On top of that, you get $20 mail in rebate. Also, you get some blacklight retribution in-game stuff with the gamepad.

 

This PC should fit xbox hardware; a tri core CPU, 1GB of DDRII RAM (which was actually more expensive then the DDRIII counterpart), a bit better GPU (HD2600 equivalent is hard to find). The other parts are just as good as OEM stuff.

 

Of course, by no means do I suggest anyone would want to buy such PC, it would be irresponsible to do so.

Edited May 3, 2012 by mkey82

[xNewtype Acex]

 

^^^^ In no way do I disprove your right to choose what fits your needs the best, but there are really no apologies for talking bullsh*t, are there?

 

In hope to educate, I assembled this PC which should fit xbox performance

 

/snip/

 

This PC should fit xbox hardware; a tri core CPU, 1GB of DDRII RAM (which was actually more expensive then the DDRIII counterpart), a bit better GPU (HD2600 equivalent is hard to find). The other parts are just as good as OEM stuff.

 

Of course, by no means do I suggest anyone would want to buy such PC, it would be irresponsible to do so.

I love how you get a free game with that.

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

^^^^ In no way do I disprove your right to choose what fits your needs the best, but there are really no apologies for talking bullsh*t, are there?

 

In hope to educate, I assembled this PC which should fit xbox performance

 

On top of that, you get $20 mail in rebate. Also, you get some blacklight retribution in-game stuff with the gamepad.

 

This PC should fit xbox hardware; a tri core CPU, 1GB of DDRII RAM (which was actually more expensive then the DDRIII counterpart), a bit better GPU (HD2600 equivalent is hard to find). The other parts are just as good as OEM stuff.

 

Of course, by no means do I suggest anyone would want to buy such PC, it would be irresponsible to do so.

Not only would that run games similarish to Xbox quality but you also have a PC for other uses.

 

Here in Australia if i wanted a PC for just browsing the web and other general PC stuff i would (If i built it spend around $600-$700)

If i wanted a PC that could easily run every single game at top performance for a few years time i would spend $1100 $1200.

 

So a PS3 costs $300 here, i am spending $500 on the gaming portion of the PC, in comparison to the PS3 that is $100-$200 more for something of much greater performance which in my eyes is worth it.

 

Even for $900 i would have a PC that would run games better than PS3 and Xbox, so really i am only spending $200 for the gaming portion of the PC.

-----

I am a console gamer but i wanted to point out that PC isn't really that expensive.

Edited May 3, 2012 by finn4life

[mkey82]

I love how you get a free game with that.

Not a free game, some free game items. I think that blacklight thing is "free" MMO.

[ACR]

 

I love how you get a free game with that. 

Not a free game, some free game items. I think that blacklight thing is "free" MMO.

Yea it's free 2 play, often turning into pay 2 win, but i play it from time to time.

 

Little off-topic but i recommend everyone with PC to check f2p fps called ''Warface'', game with cryengine 3. It's curently in open beta stage only available in russian language for now, but everybody could play it.

[DML]

 

Ignore the trolls, they talk smack.

Are you still running the Wall of Shame? That says it all as to why the PC gets their games late.

 

The Max Payne 3 situation is explained reasonably simply. Many of the console kiddy types (not console gamers in general, but the console kids and Rockstar staffers who rant and rave about stuff they know nothing about) think that the first game in any series simply must have a heavy 3D element in the first-person perspective. Since GTA 1 and 2, despite being technically 3D, were mostly 2D sprite-based games, they don't count these as part of the GTA series, and therefore think that the series began with GTA III on the PlayStation 2 (there's probably also an element of simply not being able to count). Max Payne was always a first-person shooter game when it started on PC, and therefore the aforementioned console kiddy types know that they can't pull a swifty and pretend it is and always will be a console game (despite that being their true desire).

[Magic_Al]

I think everyone's overanalyzing this. I don't think there's a strategy to favor any platform. It just took a long time to get RAGE working on each platform. RAGE was developed for the 360 because 360 dev kits were available at least a year before they could do anything with the PS3. GTA IV's delay was thought to be mostly because of getting RAGE development caught up on the PS3 (which was still done faster than 360 development because the delay was less than the amount of time between each console's launch). The PC version of GTA IV didn't have an announced release date, so there was no pressure to divert focus from finishing the console versions. They had their hands full.

 

Now, many of these problems are solved and we an almost meaningless delay between versions of Max Payne 3. There's no reason to think GTA V will be worse.

[deathil93]

Technically, it'd take more time for a game to be released for consoles because its much harder to program for them and also they need to pass tests that are required by the console maker. In this sense, the PC version should be released first, but because alot of people pirate the games on PC for one reason or another, the sales would be hurt and R* won't be able to get it's investment back, so they prefer to develop for consoles first and port it for the PC later.

 

Fact is, R* or any other game company for that matter, puts in huge sums of money into tripe-A games. They need to get their investment back and a descent profit or else they won't be able to make more games, because the share holders will see that the company isn't profitable and will stop investing in it. The PC market is no where near as profitable as the console market, because the consoles have anti-piracy measures that are hard to crack (specialy in the PS3's case), but on the other hand it is much easier and faster to develop for PCs because there is no need to pass inspections, all the tools are readily available, the SDKs are user friendly (and so are the modeling programs) and thus it takes less effort, but the return for your investment is much smaller and in case of triple-A titles, it might not cover it leading you to bankruptcy. There is a reason why current PC-exclusive games are mostly indie titles. Small budgets, lead to more income from sales, even if they sell it at 10-20$ a pop, thus they can cover their investment and make a descent profit even with the low sales PC games get.

[mkey82]

^^^^ you really have almost no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

Here in Australia if i wanted a PC for just browsing the web and other general PC stuff i would (If i built it spend around $600-$700)

The current sweat spot is at about $800 US. A 2500k i5, 2GB RAM 560 Ti and RGB of DDRIII RAM. A PC like that, with the current gaming practices should suffice for the next 4-8 years and play most games if not maxed, at least at high.

 

 

Are you still running the Wall of Shame?  That says it all as to why the PC gets their games late.

Hello there. Yes, it's there but the hoster disabled my freaking account, I'm waiting for them to change their minds before I upload somewhere else.

 

 

The PC version of GTA IV didn't have an announced release date, so there was no pressure to divert focus from finishing the console versions. They had their hands full.

Well, this doesn't explain why they didn't at ANY point in time say "guys, PC version is in the works, it's gonna take some time, but it will be here". No, they waited

about 5 months after the console release to schedule a PC release date. Following their own admission (which was not a truthful one as far as I'm considered) at that time they have been working on the game for at least 7 months, but still not ONE word about the PC version.

 

To top it all, finally when they did decide to announce it, they did so at the end of some unrelated press conference, just mentioned it like completely irrelevant info. Talk about throwing the dog a bone.

 

Your comment in this regards has no tenure.

Edited May 3, 2012 by mkey82

[Slamman]

Mkey, DDR and DDR2 are more expensive then DDR3 due to manufacture I'd read (and availability), but this is not anything new, it's just cheaper to make DDR3, at it's introduction it lacked any benefits for the price, but it's come down in drastic comparison and offers at least as good, if not better then DDR2.

 

Xbox is 3 cores, dating back as far as it does, that's impressive, but both PS and MS Xb360 have 512MB 256x2 IIRC, so a PC can outpower it, but the main thing also is that the Housers got involved with no prior history in game making, but they did play games on consoles, not PCs, I know this vantage point from my own perspective

Edited May 3, 2012 by Slamman