Bin Ladin

[GTA_stu]

This guy is the biggest asshole i've met on these forums.

You obviously haven't met yourself yet then. Allow me to introduce you. c*nt, meet c*nt.

[Cole Phelps Gta]

Let me say it like this

 

If you like talking about a terrorist fine but do it in front of American police. If you enjoy discussing a man who is a bigger scum bag than hittler that's fine. Just know people are trying to move on from 9/11 and idiots like you praising bin lardren is slowing down the healing process. You guys dont have a clue how much damage bin larden did to the world we live in.

 

Look at all the heightened security after 9 11 look at all the fear he caused. I'm sorry but i dont think we should even speak his name. Killing innocent people at work is beyond unforgivable. By all means discuss 9/11 But dont even speak that guys name he is the biggest scum piece of sh*t trash the world has ever seen. Period !!!!!!!

Edited May 2, 2012 by Cole Phelps Gta

[Dingdongs]

Let me say it like this

 

If you like talking about a terrorist fine but do it in front of American police. If you enjoy discussing a man who is a bigger scum bag than hittler that's fine. Just know people are trying to move on from 9/11 and idiots like you praising bin lardren is slowing down the healing process. You guys dont have a clue how much damage bin larden did to the world we live in.

 

Look at all the heightened security after 9 11 look at all the fear he caused. I'm sorry but i dont think we should even speak his name. Killing innocent people at work is beyond unforgivable. By all means discuss 9/11 But dont even speak that guys name he is the biggest scum piece of sh*t trash the world has ever seen. Period !!!!!!!

Thanks for the input, Chief.

[GTA_stu]

Voldemort did 9/11?

[Antinark]

Why remember the enemy when the west has an abundance of brown skinned scapegoats up its sleeve?

 

[lil weasel]

 

[...]the operational objective was not to assassinate him, it was to capture him. He ended up dying because he tried to defend himself.

Killer President bypassed international law?

 

I'll go with what I heard Obama say before he made his 'Official' statement, "We captured him and then shot him."

[Jeeebuuus]

Let me say it like this

 

If you like talking about a terrorist fine but do it in front of American police. If you enjoy discussing a man who is a bigger scum bag than hittler that's fine. Just know people are trying to move on from 9/11 and idiots like you praising bin lardren is slowing down the healing process. You guys dont have a clue how much damage bin larden did to the world we live in.

 

Look at all the heightened security after 9 11 look at all the fear he caused. I'm sorry but i dont think we should even speak his name. Killing innocent people at work is beyond unforgivable. By all means discuss 9/11 But dont even speak that guys name he is the biggest scum piece of sh*t trash the world has ever seen. Period !!!!!!!

Cole Phelps GTA, if I didn't know any better I would think you were being sarcastic in a mildly humorous way with this. But I do know better and this is one of the most ill thought out statements I have ever read. You look back through history and Been Laiden is the worst of the worst of psychotic madmen? *sigh* I don't know what to tell you man, read a book I guess.

[Long_Haired_Boy]

f*ck Bin Ladin with a HIV carrier, no Vaseline and a M16.

[Dingdongs]

 

[...]the operational objective was not to assassinate him, it was to capture him. He ended up dying because he tried to defend himself.

Killer President bypassed international law?

 

I'll go with what I heard Obama say before he made his 'Official' statement, "We captured him and then shot him."

Please show me that official statement. I'd like to see it word for word.

 

I'll trust what John Brennan, who I've met personally, said in numerous press conferences. Not some sensationalist NPR article which you hyperlinked as "killer president". The objective was to take him alive. That failed.

 

 

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser John Brennan said Monday that U.S. military operatives were prepared to capture Osama bin Laden alive but were "absolutely" ready to kill him when he fought back.

 

"If we had the opportunity to take him alive, we would have done that," Brennan said during an uncharacteristically candid exchange with reporters at a White House briefing.

 

[HydraulicWaRiOr]

He's dead, who cares. Unless he has a cryogenic sleep chamber under the ocean, he won't be coming back

 

I just feel for the sap who got the name "Ben Ladin".

 

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[lil weasel]

You misread my post. When the killing was FIRST announced Obama said he was shot after capture. That was repeated for a couple of hours. BUT when the Official statement was issued it was 'cleaned up'. Revisionist His-story.

 

 

[HydraulicWaRiOr]

You misread my post. When the killing was FIRST announced Obama said he was shot after capture. That was repeated for a couple of hours. BUT when the Official statement was issued it was 'cleaned up'. Revisionist His-story.

Would you like every single word to be exactly as it describes? Believe it or not, presidents make speech mistakes too. Not everyone is perfect, unlike you, my Aryan friend.

 

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[lil weasel]

Be around a little longer. When authorities make off the cuff statements they may say the truth before their handlers (spinners) get to it.

[Jeeebuuus]

Lil Weasel is a smart cookie. Listen and learn.

[HydraulicWaRiOr]

Be around a little longer. When authorities make off the cuff statements they may say the truth before their handlers (spinners) get to it.

Is this what you do on your downtime? Go jerk it or something. Nobody cares. He's dead, and he would have been either way. Would you prefer he be trialed before he was killed? Because I think we are pretty clear of his intentions. You're probably one of those over-sensitive sissies who calls himself a "liberal", so if you wanna' pay your respects to ol' Bin Bin, grab a diving suit and search for a couple thousand years. Don't worry, when you find his body, I'm sure you can caress it and have as much sex with it as you want.

 

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[Dragonjack]

y'know that Osama bin laden wasn't responsible For 9/11?

 

 

[Jeeebuuus]

y'know that Osama bin laden wasn't responsible For 9/11?

You had to do it? The sh*t-storm is coming.

[Slamman]

...Oh, he didn't have a hand in it BUT.....

 

As seen in that latest news, he was caught scheming, but asking others to carry out the plots in the US

[El Dildo]

Lil Weasel is a smart cookie.

that may be so, but he's grasping at straws in this case.

 

so Obama misspoke during the initial announcement.

what's your point? is there a conspiracy or something?

[Jeeebuuus]

Lil Weasel is a smart cookie.

that may be so, but he's grasping at straws in this case.

 

so Obama misspoke during the initial announcement.

what's your point? is there a conspiracy or something?

The broader issue was to give Lil Weasel credit for his fine, intelligent, and valid contribution to this forum.

 

But to answer your question. In politics, nothing is what it seems. Public relations is seldom what is entirely truth. In other words, truth has no place in politics. If it was all of a sudden introduced as policy the entire system would collapse. We cannot let that happen. The lies will keep us "free".

[Long_Haired_Boy]

[...]the operational objective was not to assassinate him, it was to capture him. He ended up dying because he tried to defend himself.

Killer President bypassed international law?

 

I'll go with what I heard Obama say before he made his 'Official' statement, "We captured him and then shot him."

Cant find that official statement.

 

Source or you pulling sh*t out you little weasel hole.

[tubbs51]

Really? We have a Remember Bin Laden Topic....

 

Good god.

 

This place has gone to sh*t.

[El Dildo]

In politics, nothing is what it seems. Public relations is seldom what is entirely truth. In other words, truth has no place in politics. If it was all of a sudden introduced as policy the entire system would collapse. We cannot let that happen. The lies will keep us "free".

lol, oh my...

 

have you ever recorded yourself giving this little speech and then played it back?

you should hear yourself. I mean I'm a pretty liberal-minded person but wow

 

 

you didn't address my question at all.

you simply gave a diatribe about Big Brother.

[Jeeebuuus]

In politics, nothing is what it seems. Public relations is seldom what is entirely truth. In other words, truth has no place in politics. If it was all of a sudden introduced as policy the entire system would collapse. We cannot let that happen. The lies will keep us "free".

lol, oh my...

 

have you ever recorded yourself giving this little speech and then played it back?

you should hear yourself. I mean I'm a pretty liberal-minded person but wow

 

 

you didn't address my question at all.

you simply gave a diatribe about Big Brother.

You giving ad hominem posts? I never would have thought. More specifically I don't know if there is some cover-up involving Obama, but I won't make fun of people simply because they have questions that are outside of normal conversation. I respect people who might challenge authority and think for themselves. I would hope you would do the same. Not everyone is a tin-foil wearing nutcase who thinks politicians lie or twist the truth to suit other means. But you are in the right to challenge peoples assertions to things you might consider bullsh*t. Just don't let the vox populi twist your will to their standards of inquisition. That would be beneath you.

[El Dildo]

 

I don't know if there is some cover-up involving Obama

yes, I know you don't know that.

that was my point.

 

 

questions that are outside of normal conversation.

but you didn't pose a question that was simply outside the "normal conversation."

 

you rattled off a stale diatribe that's sappy enough to have been found in an episode of the X-Files.

you didn't really say anything, make a point about anything, or pose respectable question.

 

 

Not everyone is a tin-foil wearing nutcase who thinks politicians lie or twist the truth to suit other means.

I never said that.

[Jeeebuuus]

I don't know if there is some cover-up involving Obama

yes, I know you don't know that.

that was my point.

 

 

questions that are outside of normal conversation.

 

you rattled off a stale diatribe that's sappy enough to have been found in an episode of the X-Files.

you didn't really say anything, make a point about anything, or pose respectable question.

 

 

Not everyone is a tin-foil wearing nutcase who thinks politicians lie or twist the truth to suit other means.

I never said that.

My point was that Lil Weasel was implying a cover-up and I was showing my understanding of why he would think that.

 

As far as "questions", I was explaining to you why I would be inclined to think a cover-up is possible.

 

You didn't have to say that when you posted a picture to say it for you.

 

 

[nightwalker83]

Lol! We might not remember whom the president was that was in charge when Bin Laden fell years down the line. All we'll remember is some guy called Bin Laden was killed nothing more nothing less.

[sivispacem]

 

y'know that Osama bin laden wasn't responsible For 9/11?

In the most direct sense, you're correct. However, it's almost a complete certainty that without him, it would never have happened. Strategic and spiritual leadership and bankrolling an operation is "responsibility" in my book.

[GTA_stu]

It really wouldn't surprise me if they did go in there with the intention of killing him, rather than for the priority to be capturing him. I saw a documentary on this yesterday, and it said that when the US were trying to find/kill him, legally it wasn't right to "assassinate" him in a conventuonal sense. The US justice advisors said that it wasn't legal to kill him by shooting him with a gun, but that it would be fine if it was done via a missile shot from a submarine or from a predator drone.

 

They worded it a bit differently to how I wrote it, but basically there was a grey area legally over how they were "allowed" to kill him. So if they admitted that they killed him, and it was done intentionally in an assassination style killing then that would be illegal under international law.

 

If you think about it straight out killing him did make more sense than trying to capture and prosecute him. I really don't think that they ever had an intention of bringing him alive.

[Dingdongs]

It really wouldn't surprise me if they did go in there with the intention of killing him, rather than for the priority to be capturing him. I saw a documentary on this yesterday, and it said that when the US were trying to find/kill him, legally it wasn't right to "assassinate" him in a conventuonal sense. The US justice advisors said that it wasn't legal to kill him by shooting him with a gun, but that it would be fine if it was done via a missile shot from a submarine or from a predator drone.

 

They worded it a bit differently to how I wrote it, but basically there was a grey area legally over how they were "allowed" to kill him. So if they admitted that they killed him, and it was done intentionally in an assassination style killing then that would be illegal under international law.

 

If you think about it straight out killing him did make more sense than trying to capture and prosecute him. I really don't think that they ever had an intention of bringing him alive.

I can agree with that. My uncle is best friends with Brennan and next time I'm over there with both of them I really want to ask that but I highly doubt he'd answer it. Most things I ask him or my uncle I'm usually told are "classified".

 

Anyway - I can certainly understand that the operational objective on paper was to go and take him alive, but as you said I'm sure the planners of the operation were taking into account the fact that a man with the zeal of Bin Laden would probably not be taken alive as easily. One could argue that they had the intention of taking him alive because they didn't bomb the building, but that's easily countered with the desire to extract intelligence. As a New Yorker, there's nothing I would have loved more than to see him on trial at federal court in NYC. Not that the view is universal though. Many of my fellow New Yorkers wanted him just killed without respect to life. My other uncle had Osama Bin Laden toilet paper. It's just all about your personal view on justice which is really not something that changes easily. I certainly do see the argument though that while the objective was to bring him in alive, the planners knew that he would not be taken alive.