How they could of prevented WWII.

[KaRzY6]

Okay, so the other day. I watched 8 hours of detailed documentaries about WWII.

 

After WWI, in the treaty signed, Germany was only to have a limit of 100,000 men in their army. While Hitler was trying to make the Nazi Party rise up, he built up a army for the party. It had 400,000 men, and the Nazi party was not even elected for government yet. This was about 1929.

 

So, shouldn't of France, Belgium and the other allies been alert?

 

Give your thoughts.

[Algonquin Bridge]

Could have. Shouldn't have.

 

Anyhow. Why didn't the neighbours intervene right away? Mix of things, including being horrified by WWI (not wanting to toss thousands of more young men into the fire just yet), economic issues and some of 'em thinking The Treaty of Versailles was actually too harsh on Germany.

 

I've probably generalised it horrifically, but it's been a while since I read up on the pre-war European relations.

[sivispacem]

In a word, no.

 

By 1929, with domestic economic and political issues in just about every European country plus the crippling of the German economy, first by hyperinflation and second by the Great Depression (leading to severe domestic economic issues) I think that there was a sense amongst the allies that they had bigger issues to worry about. Also, I think you should clarify your dates. The early, secret re-armament was pre-Nazi rule (during the era of the Social Democrats). There was no real incentive on the part of Western powers to limit German re-armament 1) because their attempts to do so were economically beneficial and therefore reparation payments could be kept up and 2) the Social Democrats were seen as an ally of the other major European powers so there was no real threat of conflict at the time.

[RaffLicksToads]

You may see it as that but remember that the whole world is just on the brink of the great depression, so most of the countries were concentrated on their own country not other countries, and Hitler didn't broadcast every move he was making and it wasn't easy for people to find out what he was doing, and no-one in Germany is going to report it, why? because Hitler was almost seen as a God, he promised the world to the Germans, and everybody in Germany, he promised them to make Germany strong again, also to give atleast everyone a job and He basically sold empty promises to get his regime to thrive.

 

Think of it like this, your living on the streets, no money, no job, no house, no future, then out of nowhere you get a man who says he can promise you a home, a job and a future but the only thing you have to do is be loyal to his political party, would you take it?

 

Of course you would.

Edited April 28, 2012 by Zero Option

[KaRzY6]

Yeah, you guys are right. I just thought they should of been more alert.

 

@Sivispacem

Yeah, I think the date is off. I can't quite remember. But it was before the Nazi's were elected.

[MeapydayCax]

hmm u got a good point there lol. Well i think they can view it itll just take a while, but its worth it for them. When did you make yours xcelR8?

 

[Crokey]

This topic has already invoked Godwins Law's Law. But if you wondered how they could have prevented World War 2, then you'd have to go back to how World War 1 (The Great War) started in order to have prevented World War 2.

 

Basically some guy called Archie Duke shot an Ostrich cause he was hungry. So if it wasn't for him we'd be alright and 9/11 wouldn't have happened... think about it there is a chain reaction to this.

[lil weasel]

National Socialism (The Workers party) saved the world from the Depression is one simplistic answer.

Besides the secrecy involved in the armament works who was to know.

When Lindberg toured Germany he praised the work being done there.

 

[Robinski]

This topic has already invoked Godwins Law's Law.

Technically, it hasn't. Nobody has been compared to the Nazi regime or Hitler. We've talked about them, yeah, but nothing has been comapred to them.

 

Just want to pop in and say I knew this topic would be good as soon as I saw "could of" in the title. Please tell us about how you would have discharged a massively intricate political timebomb when you can't even grasp basic grammar.

[lil weasel]

Oh, if you're looking for a comparison.

How about, Bush and his WMD. Seems a lot like Mr. Hitler and the Polish Radio Station.

Bush trying to improve the economy by starting a war?

[Creed Bratton]

Meh. I'm glad WW2 happened. If it hadn't I probably wouldn't exist. Self interest.

[El Zilcho]

Perhaps if the Treaty of Versailles hadn't been so harsh Germany wouldn't have been so bitter, and Hitler's rhetoric would have had little strength.

[B Rob]

After the first World War France, Britain, and the Soviets were suppose to monitor the Germans to make sure they weren't re-arming. Like most have already said economic depression hit the world and everyone started worrying about there own well being plus nobody wanted another war after they just got out of one so most looked the other way or didn't look at all.

 

The Treaty of Versailles being to harsh on the Germans and the amount of debt we put on them was the main factor for them wanting to rise up. The people of Germany were crushed and in came a charismatic leader named Hitler who the people thought could lead them out of the rough times.

 

If the treaty wouldn't have f*cked Germany over so bad then it probably could have been avoided and Adolf would have never had the chance to come into power.

[lil weasel]

Don’t blame Herr Hitler for the doings of the Great War on later occurrences:

On 2 December 1919, (Kaiser) Wilhelm wrote to Field Marshal August von Mackensen, denouncing his abdication as the "deepest, most disgusting shame ever perpetrated by a person in history, the Germans have done to themselves […] egged on and misled by the tribe of Judah... Let no German ever forget this, nor rest until these parasites have been destroyed and exterminated from German soil!" He advocated a "regular international all-worlds pogrom à la Russe" as "the best cure" and further believed that Jews were a "nuisance that humanity must get rid of some way or other. I believe the best would be gas!"

The hate was already in the German Royale blood.

 

As to how to prevent a Great War, simple don't get upset when a homie gets his self killed in a foreign country. Especially one that has 'signs' out saying, "go away, and give us our freedom!".

Edited April 28, 2012 by lil weasel

[KaRzY6]

 

After the first World War France, Britain, and the Soviets were suppose to monitor the Germans to make sure they weren't re-arming. Like most have already said economic depression hit the world and everyone started worrying about there own well being plus nobody wanted another war after they just got out of one so most looked the other way or didn't look at all.

 

The Treaty of Versailles being to harsh on the Germans and the amount of debt we put on them was the main factor for them wanting to rise up. The people of Germany were crushed and in came a charismatic leader named Hitler who the people thought could lead them out of the rough times.

 

If the treaty wouldn't have f*cked Germany over so bad then it probably could have been avoided and Adolf would have never had the chance to come into power.

I totally disagree. They had a right to make the treaty harsh. The Germans started a massive world war and destroyed many cities in the effected countries. If I was the leader of France, Belgium or another country attacked in the war. I would quite happily make the treaty very harsh. 100,000 army limit should have been closely watched. But, as you guys say, they were focused on their own country.

 

Yes, maybe the harsh treaty pushed Germany to make it powerful again, but wouldn't you have done the same if you were one of the leaders of the countries that were attacked at the time.

 

Also, in that documentary I watched, it said that Germany couldn't even pay France and Belgium money for war costs, so soldiers of those countries walked in took (not stole) all the coal out of Germany's mines. Therefore, Germany had no coal, money etc.

 

@GTAvanja

 

Why? I'm curious, what happened in Jamica during WWII?

Edited April 29, 2012 by KaRzY6

[Finn 7 five 11]

Here we go.

[Creed Bratton]

 

@GTAvanja

 

Why? I'm curious, what happened in Jamica during WWII?

We became a part of USSR. We are still under Russian control. The mainland at least. Underwater cities are still pretty much neutral.

Edited April 29, 2012 by GTAvanja

[GTA_stu]

But Germany didn't cause the the First World War. In fact they weren't at fault more than any other country. Europe was a tinderbox just waiting to be lit, you can hardly blame Germany. Britain and Germany were in a huge arms race, which led to other countries to increase their military spending and created a situation where war was inevitable especially with the alliances and pacts which pretty much guaranteed a pan-European war. The Germans had such tough sanctions imposed because they were the richest, largest and most powerful of the triple alliance and so they were the most obvious target.

 

Like others have said nobody wanted a war and so there was a policy of appeasement towards Hitler. It was hoped that if they made concessions and allowed Hitler to basically have his way, then conflict could be avoided.

[Dingdongs]

But Germany didn't cause the the First World War. In fact they weren't at fault more than any other country. Europe was a tinderbox just waiting to be lit, you can hardly blame Germany. Britain and Germany were in a huge arms race, which led to other countries to increase their military spending and created a situation where war was inevitable especially with the alliances and pacts which pretty much guaranteed a pan-European war. The Germans had such tough sanctions imposed because they were the richest, largest and most powerful of the triple alliance and so they were the most obvious target.

 

Like others have said nobody wanted a war and so there was a policy of appeasement towards Hitler. It was hoped that if they made concessions and allowed Hitler to basically have his way, then conflict could be avoided.

This post pretty much sums everything up. It's frankly ignorant in my view for us to look back on it and say the leaders were wrong to appease Hitler. What would you have done in their shoes? Probably the same thing. Even Churchill was wary about going to war. He considered further appeasement of Hitler by way of giving Germany some British African colonies but decided against it.

[El Dildo]

I have a better idea for preventing WW2.

 

[Dr. John]

I don't see a machine gun fit.

 

I still remember that UK was controlling many areas in Asia. We Indians joined our hands and f*cked them up. The situation in Japan was very poor. The UNESCO Team sure helped them.

[B Rob]

After the first World War France, Britain, and the Soviets were suppose to monitor the Germans to make sure they weren't re-arming. Like most have already said economic depression hit the world and everyone started worrying about there own well being plus nobody wanted another war after they just got out of one so most looked the other way or didn't look at all.

 

The Treaty of Versailles being to harsh on the Germans and the amount of debt we put on them was the main factor for them wanting to rise up. The people of Germany were crushed and in came a charismatic leader named Hitler who the people thought could lead them out of the rough times.

 

If the treaty wouldn't have f*cked Germany over so bad then it probably could have been avoided and Adolf would have never had the chance to come into power.

I totally disagree. They had a right to make the treaty harsh. The Germans started a massive world war and destroyed many cities in the effected countries. If I was the leader of France, Belgium or another country attacked in the war. I would quite happily make the treaty very harsh. 100,000 army limit should have been closely watched. But, as you guys say, they were focused on their own country.

 

Yes, maybe the harsh treaty pushed Germany to make it powerful again, but wouldn't you have done the same if you were one of the leaders of the countries that were attacked at the time.

 

Also, in that documentary I watched, it said that Germany couldn't even pay France and Belgium money for war costs, so soldiers of those countries walked in took (not stole) all the coal out of Germany's mines. Therefore, Germany had no coal, money etc.

 

@GTAvanja

 

Why? I'm curious, what happened in Jamica during WWII?

They made Germany pay all damages from WWI when Germany wasn't the only one that fought against Britain/France/USSR/USA. Why didn't Austria or Italy pay anything when they also were enemies of the Triple Entente?

 

Basically Europe was trying to screw Germany over by making them pay for everyone's damages when they just got out of the biggest war known to man at that time. Germany knowing that they could not pay this insane amount of debt decided to re-arm and fight the people that put this debt on them.

[Dingdongs]

It's not even that Germany was not the only one that fought against them. The point is, they all were guilty of causing the war.

[oc student]

Good thing to see the forum informed about the causes of both WWs. IMO the Treat of Versailles was much too harsh and the Americans saw this at the end of WW1.

[B Rob]

Good thing to see the forum informed about the causes of both WWs. IMO the Treat of Versailles was much too harsh and the Americans saw this at the end of WW1.

That's why we didn't sign the treaty.

 

1) It was too harsh.

 

2) We didn't get into the war until the end so we felt it best to stay out of the treaty.

[KaRzY6]

That's true, why didn't Austria and Italy get harsh penilities. Did they get any at all?

 

@GTAvanja

 

So, Jamica is under Russian control? Is that a good or bad thing?

 

@Dr. John13

 

I thought India was still part of the Commonwealth..?

[nightwalker83]

We didn't get into the war until the end so we felt it best to stay out of the treaty.

Although, several sites I have read say that Woodrow Wilson (President of US at the time) was a member of the "Big Three". According to Wakipedia there were five signatories on the Allies side France, British Empire, Italy, Japan and the US.

[Dr. John]

I thought India was still part of the Commonwealth..?

They still are. They weren't in the world war. After August 15th 1947, they joined the commonwealth. Even Pakistan joined on that date.

[KaRzY6]

I thought India was still part of the Commonwealth..?

They still are. They weren't in the world war. After August 15th 1947, they joined the commonwealth. Even Pakistan joined on that date.

So before the war, they were a colony of the UK. Because I remember Britian sending Indian troops to battle in one (or both) the world wars.

[Dr. John]

I thought India was still part of the Commonwealth..?

They still are. They weren't in the world war. After August 15th 1947, they joined the commonwealth. Even Pakistan joined on that date.

So before the war, they were a colony of the UK. Because I remember Britian sending Indian troops to battle in one (or both) the world wars.

Yes. You are right.

 

People who were suffering on British rule joined with us in the Independence act on 1947. In return, we helped them.