ZZCOOL Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 since many wounder regarding modding on gta v i can say that rockstar does support it they like the creativity of mods i have nearly made a friend in the support section where i showed him the san andreas iv mod and called it amazing so for those who thinks they are against modding they arn't i thought 2 years ago they completely hated it but it's not true they like it but they cannot officially support it due to legal issues however the chances of v being moddable are big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofUgly Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 they like it but they cannot officially support it due to legal issues That's kinda what I thought, and I'm sure GTA V will be moddable. I hope the car system is the same as IV, that way I can just copy all the cars I added, to a new vehicle.img, over to V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeNDo6750 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I thought R* hated modding in GTA IV+EFLC, or am i missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I always knew they liked modding. Was the Hot Coffee thing considered a mod? I mean, all he did was uncover files that were already there, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1212 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Oh yes, and your "nearly friend" has the privilege of speaking on the behalf of Rockstar games as a whole? You know a dude in Rockstar support, he gave you his opinions, but HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR ROCKSTAR. Now you'll have to excuse me, my cousin's cousin's friend, who is a janitor at NASA, will be telling me about aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriaan Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I thought R* hated modding in GTA IV+EFLC, or am i missing something It depends what you mean. They certainly dislike people memory hacking the game in multiplayer to cheat and do all sorts of things that often tend to make the game crash for everyone in the session; but as for certain kinds of PC modding, they certainly have come out in support for that, like the zombie mod or ones that enhance the graphics. For legal reasons, they can't for instance support replacing vehicles with fully licensed ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaplayaminigun Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yeah. Of course they do. They leave a lot of files like vehicle handling, weapon data etc unencrypted so that they can be easily modded with just a text editor. That's what they've been doing since 3 and in case of iv and episodes, the encryption was removed with title updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittle13 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Oh yes, and your "nearly friend" has the privilege of speaking on the behalf of Rockstar games as a whole?You know a dude in Rockstar support, he gave you his opinions, but HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR ROCKSTAR. Now you'll have to excuse me, my cousin's cousin's friend, who is a janitor at NASA, will be telling me about aliens. don't be a dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yeah. Of course they do. They leave a lot of files like vehicle handling, weapon data etc unencrypted so that they can be easily modded with just a text editor. That's what they've been doing since 3 and in case of iv and episodes, the encryption was removed with title updates. Yep here is the proof, if they were against modding, most files would be encrypted. I don't think most companies are against modding because that is why a large proportion of Pc players actually play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member#1 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I don't have the feeling R* support modding. I do think they like it. Didn't they model some of the GTA IV cars after popular real-life mod cars used in GTA SA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZCOOL Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Oh yes, and your "nearly friend" has the privilege of speaking on the behalf of Rockstar games as a whole?You know a dude in Rockstar support, he gave you his opinions, but HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR ROCKSTAR. Now you'll have to excuse me, my cousin's cousin's friend, who is a janitor at NASA, will be telling me about aliens. actually it is not just one person who has told me no need to be rude about it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EncryptedReality Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Rockstar is not stupid. They know the modding prolongs the game life and thereby they leave most stuff open for modding. Them helping me with locating interior sound source few weeks ago is a certain proof of this thread all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 They don't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Phelps Gta Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Anybody who uses mods isn't a true fan imo gta is art you can't mod art. I mean you can't mod your favorite tv show why do you need to edit your favorite game. The housers put a hell of a lot of effort into their games we should just respect their vision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long_Haired_Boy Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Red Dead Redemption. You ever wonder why they never release for the PC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZCOOL Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Anybody who uses mods isn't a true fan imo gta is art you can't mod art. I mean you can't mod your favorite tv show why do you need to edit your favorite game. The housers put a hell of a lot of effort into their games we should just respect their vision thats the worst thing i have ever heard? i play the game stock without any mods when i have finished it i mod it to make it better dosn't mean the art they create is bad it just means you customize it it's like addons to your browser dosn't mean the browser is bad just means you add the things you want i still play iv to this day because of mods not sure if i would play iv now if it had no mods Edited March 14, 2012 by zzcool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirWolf856 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 As great as mods are they also invite the cheaters. If you watched any of the last multiplayer event for GTA IV for the PC that R* hosted, you would have seen what I mean. I think the only way mods should be allowed in GTA V is in FREE MODE and no where else. They should lock down all other modes except FREE MODE. This would allow modders to display their mods and record videos for all of us that enjoy watching them. Hopefully, locking down the other modes would keep the cheaters out of multiplayer so those of us who like to play together can play without fear of being turned into an ice cream cone or blown across the map with massive explosions. I hope they allow mods in GTA V but with clear defined rules and protections in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D T Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) As great as mods are they also invite the cheaters. If you watched any of the last multiplayer event for GTA IV for the PC that R* hosted, you would have seen what I mean. I attended the last few events and almost every session went completely fine. Rockstar is not stupid. They know the modding prolongs the game life and thereby they leave most stuff open for modding. Them helping me with locating interior sound source few weeks ago is a certain proof of this thread all along Seriously? How detailed was their answer? Did you use mouthoff or rockstar support to contact them? I can't believe it! Edited March 15, 2012 by Deadly Target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1whitebuddah Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Red Dead Redemption. You ever wonder why they never release for the PC? thats just silly, mods would not stop them from making rdr on pc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebby Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Red Dead Redemption. You ever wonder why they never release for the PC? Because they probably didn't think it was going to do as well as it did. I think we'll be seeing a RDR PC released sometime after V is out, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Red Dead Redemption. You ever wonder why they never release for the PC? /facepalm mods aren't going to prevent a release on PC. By your logic they shouldn't release MP3 on PC, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian. Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) Rockstar employees in any given department or area of their outfit may or may not individually like modding, but I am here to tell you that the way they handled Hot Coffee was directly and blatantly an anti-modding stance, calling us hackers, so on and so forth. No, they do not support nor like modding, if they did, the modding tools promised on the San Andreas PC website would have surfaced by now, and at one time, yes, we figured it was because their technology was licensed and their tools were proprietary with that middleware, but now with RAGE and them owning the engine, they still do not support modding? There is no excuse to not have it that doesn't equate to "we simply do not support it". And when asked about why there were never the promised tools for SA, they either say "we do not talk about it" or they point you to the community made tools which were never, ever really on par as a modding suite and full of bugs (great work, a lot possible due to the COMMUNITY and not Rockstar, but not really an enjoyable thing to do, with every asset coming with bugs you need to fix etc, TXD Workshop doesn't even support mipmaps, and that's why SA retexture mods look so grainy and sand-paper. G-TXD supports them, but good luck getting that to run on anything later than XP, and even then, you are lucky to run it, because critical updates to .net break the Gtools)... They released MaxED with Max Payne 2 and you can still get it from their site, but only because Remedy had all of that already setup before Rockstar bought the franchise... If there is no modding tools for MP3, you can see that clearly that they do not support modding or care for modders, calling us hackers is one thing, and if they don't release tools for Max Payne 3, a game whose predecessors are still heavily modded to this day and was a very popular modder platform back in its prime, you will know, they don't support modding. Many companies take the stance "oh, the tools of today are too complicated". I'm here to also tell you, that is BS. Everything is easier to do now than it was in the past, the only thing is that the artist needs to know how to make more robust assets. That's a personal learning thing, and nothing to do with the engine one chooses to mod or work with. The cold hard simple truth of the matter is that at one point in time, we had modding tools and you got rewards like unlocked extras for completing tasks in-game. Now, we have DLC. Which undermines modding/hobby development and we also have achievements, the excuse for why you get NOTHING but a gamer score for completing in-game tasks, and they charge you for the armor you would have unlocked 10 years ago. Now, you don't unlock anything. You pay for it. You don't freshen up games - you pay for more content. Point blank, unless the company PROVIDES modding tools themselves WITHOUT directing you to community-created and maintained modding stuff, then the company does not support modding and would prefer that you didn't do it. No tools = they do not support it. They may have some news stories by a publicist trying to sell some GTA IV or shared some youtube videos that some publicist thought was cool - again, trying to sell some more GTA IV. At the end of the day, they promised tools on GTA SA PC page ("create your own worlds" etc). They never came, and it was left to the community to hack in the abilities... The logic is clear: Some of them individually may like modding and think it's cool (especially support guys, which, don't know if you are aware, but support guys are very, very far from the developers or publishers, are usually outsourced to companies that handle multiple publishers' support issues, and have absolutely no correlation at all to the actual development house, except to say that they are gamers themselves, just like you and me, and happen to have a job answering support tickets in gaming. Take2 has its own support branch, under their name, but still outsourced, and those guys are as clueless as we are about anything that has not been announced. They do not get NDAs or anything, because they don't need them, because they know nothing but what they are told after the fact for support purposes). That's why we are making our own open world streaming game engine (just like GTA). because we see modding will only become more abysmal, and at least if we own our technology, we can reach a lot more than just one game's audience. That said, can't be mad at them - It is responsible of companies to stop holding people back modding their own games for them, and better in the sense that it encourages us to do things like work on our own game engine. Edited March 15, 2012 by brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Gypsy Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Rockstar have videos of GTA IV mods in there favourite list on YouTube... So yes, they clearly like modding to a certain extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 The Hot Coffee scandal forced a policy change that any unfinished content that would affect the rating must be removed before the game is released. If Rockstar makes sure there's nothing risky for modders to find then they shouldn't care about modding, except perhaps when a game is new. Maybe they don't want mods showing up on YouTube and causing confusion about the game while they're still trying to promote it. They could encrypt files at first for that reason, then unlock them later. Of course cheating with mods in multiplayer is always bad unless that's what everyone on the server wants to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian. Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Actually, that all makes a lot of sense Magic_Al, and a good contrast and counter to my points. That is after all exactly what happened with GTA IV. I assumed until now that it was them giving up on trying to lock us out of every patch, but now that you mention it, it does make solid marketing sense and identity control sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Anybody who uses mods isn't a true fan imo gta is art you can't mod art. I mean you can't mod your favorite tv show why do you need to edit your favorite game. The housers put a hell of a lot of effort into their games we should just respect their vision Well than, I guess they like to support hate for the game by your inbred logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangsta-NL Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Rockstargames doesn't make games with the thought ''Hey guys, program it so ordinary people can mod the game''. This can take lots of hours. Don't get me wrong, most mods are awesome. But most publishers dont care about it. Although I have to admit that SA:MP and MTA made GTA SA a game which is still played by thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Benedict Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Oh yes, and your "nearly friend" has the privilege of speaking on the behalf of Rockstar games as a whole?You know a dude in Rockstar support, he gave you his opinions, but HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR ROCKSTAR. Now you'll have to excuse me, my cousin's cousin's friend, who is a janitor at NASA, will be telling me about aliens. That was kinda dumb but they do like mods because they have a zombie mod vid favorited on thier youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I'd be great if they supported modding, but you kids probably exploited the games so much, they had to reverse the decision In this case, you only have yourselves to blame! ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long_Haired_Boy Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Red Dead Redemption. You ever wonder why they never release for the PC? /facepalm mods aren't going to prevent a release on PC. By your logic they shouldn't release MP3 on PC, right? First of all, duh. And RDR Mods would sh*t on MP3 Mods any day, The shooting mechanics are top notch but its still linear story driven. Of Course Rockstar DOESN'T SUPPORT MODDING, especially with all the SAN ANDREA RAGE, VICE CITY RAGE. Also not to mentions their reasons not to release MCLA or RDR for the PC. before GTA V? Edited March 16, 2012 by Long_Haired_Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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