Donald Trump's sons defend killing elephants

[Icarus]

 

Jump on it, don't waste time researching.

http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2004/september/elephant.htm

 

The good news is that elephant populations are thriving in areas of southern Africa after years of hugely successful conservation, following the  banning of the much despised ivory trade. Conservationists in some areas are now faced with a new challenge: overpopulation. Scientists and conservationists in Africa and globally believe that there are three solutions: translocation, culling or contraception, but there is no one solution which can solve problems of overpopulation immediately, and is problem free and humane.

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7700606

 

There is more if you want to look.

it seems there is little reading of early posts.

The topic moral issue's are always so compelling.

And mind you, that was some years ago.

So does anyone have a population count for now...

1. The first article you quoted is from September 2004. Populations can change in a 7.5 year time frame.

 

2. I generally skip your posts because the ones I've read have made little to no sense or were irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

[EDIT] You added the last two lines just as I quoted the topic, so you've in essence already stated what I brought about in point one.

[GTA_stu]

It's my understanding that the African elephant is threatened, not "endangered" although I honestly couldn't give you a proper answer as to the difference. I think it means it is at risk of becoming endangered, and that there are threats to it such as habitat loss and poaching but it isn't in any serious danger just yet.

 

Even though it isn't exactly what you'd call thriving overall, there are areas where they are overpopulated. You could make a point that it doesn't matter if in one particular area they are high in numbers, because overall they're still threatened and so every one counts. But the way I see it it's not like you can really make use of the ones in areas which are overpopulated, so if they're just sitting there, and also a potential nuisance then why not kill one or two? It does help to bring in some money for the local economy, although the amount the locals see of that is probably pretty negligible.

 

Like I said, I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it's not endangered.

[lil weasel]

WWF Global

Elephant populations in southern Africa are large and expanding, with some 300,000 elephants now roaming across the sub-region.

 

Who's to believe what? Anti-hunting people will use their own figues.

 

 

 

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[Viperman]

Not kch to add to the debate, but rather my opinion. It awful. I don't have the heart to shot a vermin rabbit, and birds. Life is precious. From me to ants to elephants.

 

Killing elephants were cool when they were wolly, and a source of food, material and warmth 9000 years ago.

 

Funny how we humans can kill with no consequences. Yet I bet if that elephant trampled the trumps to death for whatever reasons, it would be put down.

 

Fair world we live in....

[El Dildo]

 

Who the f*ck hunts elephants? Didn't this thing safari hunting thing die out a hundred years ago?

rich white men will always do this.

it's how they get their jollys off when they're not being condescending to people with less money.

 

it's hard to stop people from poaching if they really want to poach.

you can't put a gigantic concrete wall around Africa and guard every inch of it.

 

maybe someday Virtual Reality simulations will become realistic enough that rich white men can simply do their hunting at home in their personal VR game room and be satisfied.

but that's still a few decades away...

[Dingdongs]

WWF Global

Elephant populations in southern Africa are large and expanding, with some 300,000 elephants now roaming across the sub-region.

 

Who's to believe what? Anti-hunting people will use their own figues.

 

 

 

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Your articles are all loads of bullsh*t. The one you posted is opposed to poaching and hunting. How about you read them first.

[Chunkyman]

rich white men will always do this.

 

it's how they get their jollys off when they're not being condescending to people with less money.

 

 

Wow, that's not racist or anything.

 

 

 

On-topic: I did a bit of research, and while the african elephant is a threatened species overall, there are several countries in Southern Africa where they have to kill them to keep them from being overpopulated.

 

So it seems they weren't hunting in areas where they risked extinction, but in areas where the governments needs to reduce the elephant population because there are too many of them.

 

Knowing this, I see no more problem with this than with good ol' elk and deer hunting.

[trip]

 

As long as it isn't endangered I don't see the problem. I mean sure I don't agree with it, but if he wants to kill an elephant let him. He hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes.

Killing animals for the only purpose of killing is right in your eyes?

Yup, that is hunting isn't it?

In a fashion, you can hunt for food which is a case of survival, you could hunt the animals in order to balance the wildlife in the area and keep population down. You could hunt for the pelts or you can hunt for the sake of it. I can see an argument to be made for population control and food but hunting for the sake of it just seems wrong.

It's because it is. Barring the fact that it's immoral in many people's eyes, on an objective standpoint it's completely irresponsible. Hunting for sport can throw off the ecological balance of an entire food chain, which is what we see with so many endangered species.

Hunting for sport is very well controlled. I'm pretty sure we don't have to worry about it disrupting the food chain or other ecosystems.

 

A couple of close friends of mine are serious sport hunters. Yup, believe it or not. Hunting is big around where I live and almost every kid is raised with a shotgun. Heck, we used to have the first day of deer season off from school.

 

I am incredibly conflicted when it comes to hunting. Around here if the deer population isn't kept down it becomes more of a danger to the deer than anything. As a human I would rather die a quick death than starve. Jeepers, I think I'd rather take a bullet than live a miserably existence even if there was enough food to barely sustain. Sometimes nature can be more cruel than man.

 

As a hippie who was raised to not even kill insects, I hate to say hunting might have become something of a necessary evil.

 

 

 

 

 

As far as the Trump kids killing an elephant(and other creatures) in Africa. f*ckers... They don't need to be doing that crap. They are rich - find something else to entertain yourself with and leave any needed hunting to the hunters. f*cking rich kids think they own everything and can do what they want.

[lil weasel]

 

WWF Global

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Your articles are all loads of bullsh*t. The one you posted is opposed to poaching and hunting. How about you read them first.

I'm surprised you bothered to read it.

The quote is still factual and stands.

 

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[El Dildo]

 

Wow, that's not racist or anything. 

it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with reality.

 

how many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

none.

 

it's a rich white man's game.

[Chunkyman]

How many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

 

How many poor white people do you see game hunting on a safari?

 

 

 

 

[trip]

How many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

 

How many poor white people do you see game hunting on a safari?

 

 

10 bonus points.

[El Dildo]

How many poor white people do you see game hunting on a safari?

lol this only reinforces my point that it has nothing to do with race.

[Jeeebuuus]

Another interesting story about hunting was when VP Dick shot his friend in the face while they were hunting quail. Yep, it happened and the guy who got shot actually apologized to Dick. I guess for getting in the way of his gun.

 

OT. Hunting elephants or quail is not much of a challenge and doesn't impress me. What you should hunt is something like a bear which can eat your feet. With a bowie knife. In the dead of winter. Then you can call yourself a man.

[Chunkyman]

lol this only reinforces my point that it has nothing to do with race.

I like how this contradicts with your original post where you specifically make reference to white people.

 

Here is what you said:

 

 

 

rich white men will always do this.

 

it's how they get their jollys off when they're not being condescending to people with less money.

 

 

 

 

 

rich white men

 

 

 

 

 

white men

 

 

 

Since you went out of your way to implicate a certain race of bad behavior, your post comes off as racist.

 

 

 

 

[El Dildo]

I like how this contradicts with your original post where you specifically make reference to white people.

 

Since you went out of your way to implicate a certain race of bad behavior, your post comes off as racist.

it only comes off that way to someone who is looking for something that isn't there.

 

I only said white people because that's the norm.

that's the average.

that's the majority.

 

when it comes to expensive and exclusive safari hunting trips, rich white men make up the vast majority of customers.

the only reason I mentioned "white" was to distinguish between rich people of other races. obviously rich people of all backgrounds tend to do extravagant things, but more often than not it's the old white guys who feel the need to shoot rare/beautiful creatures for sport.

 

if anything it's the opposite of racism. white people have nothing to complain about; they have all the inherent advantages in this world.

you're the only one putting an emphasis on race. this says more about your internal logic than it does mine.

[Finn 7 five 11]

I like how this contradicts with your original post where you specifically make reference to white people.

 

Since you went out of your way to implicate a certain race of bad behavior, your post comes off as racist.

it only comes off that way to someone who is looking for something that isn't there.

 

I only said white people because that's the norm.

that's the average.

that's the majority.

 

when it comes to expensive and exclusive safari hunting trips, rich white men make up the vast majority of customers.

the only reason I mentioned "white" was to distinguish between rich people of other races. obviously rich people of all backgrounds tend to do extravagant things, but more often than not it's the old white guys who feel the need to shoot rare/beautiful creatures for sport.

 

if anything it's the opposite of racism. white people have nothing to complain about; they have all the inherent advantages in this world.

you're the only one putting an emphasis on race. this says more about your internal logic than it does mine.

Chunkyman, another person who doesn't understand racism.

[sivispacem]

how many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

Most of the guides seem to be black these days. And whilst they probably get paid quite a lot by their country's standards, I dont think you can call them rich.

[Absurdity]

 

how many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

 

You do see a few, but generally people prefer it if you stick strictly to shooting the wildlife only.

[Moonshield]

how many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

 

You do see a few, but generally people prefer it if you stick strictly to shooting the wildlife only.

But sometimes they're both.

 

 

Seriously though, you do see plenty of natives poaching, though that's usually for ivory, something that you can get a return on (even though that's terrible as f*ck, and those people deserve everything that befalls them)

[Dingdongs]

Don't think you'll be seeing many poor white people on an African safari hunting for elephants.

[BigAmericanTitties]

F*ck elephants, what do they contribute to society?

[lil weasel]

In Africa some people travel just to see them (tourist attractions). The only working elephants come from India/asia. African elephants were only good for Ivory, and umbrella stands. And meat for the natives. Elephant tails are said to be good for chasing flies, too.

[trip]

F*ck elephants, what do they contribute to society?

And what have you done to help out the world today? My guess is nothing substantial except maybe contributing to the economy by buying some sh*t food at a fast food restaurant.

 

I'm not about to go on a research mission, but I'm willing to bet the elephants help out some sort of balance in a big way. I bet their poop contributes nutrition to other beasts while fertilizing the land. I bet their grazing controls the growth of other [maybe] more destructible beasts.

 

You know what they contribute to society? Coolness. The world would be a pretty uninteresting place without wacky ass animals around. You can't deny that elephants are big, unique, interesting beasts.

[HydraulicWaRiOr]

How many poor black people do you see game hunting on safari?

 

How many poor white people do you see game hunting on a safari?

 

[John The Grudge]

Hunting elephants? Not much of a challenge is it? It's almost comical in a way. He probably thinks he's the ultimate bad-ass now. You shot a massive animal in a great big wide open space. Holy sh*t this guy must be Wild Bill Hickok's descendant or something. Chuck Norris 2.0.

 

[chris]

Killing elephants is awesome.

[ThirstyHyena]

This forum is hilarious, when it comes to killing innocent animals in a video game (GTA V) most people don't seem to support it but when it comes to killing innocent animals in real life most of the people have nothing against it.

[Zotak]

So much money, to bad buying a new brain is not a viable option yet.

[sivispacem]

 

So much money, too bad buying a new brain is not a viable option yet.

Physician, heal thyself.