AceRay Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/12/donald-trump...t-kill-hunting/ Donald Trump's two sons went on a big game hunt in Africa, and the carnage they wrought has triggered outrage by wildlife enthusiasts. Donald's sons -- Donald Jr. and Eric -- went on a hunting safari in Zimbabwe a year ago this month, and proudly showed off their trophy kills -- including an elephant, crocodile, kudu, civet cat and water buck. In one shot, Donald Jr. is holding a dead elephant's tail in one hand and a knife which appears to have cut off the tail in another. A wildlife enthusiast's website has just created a YouTube video of the slaughter expressing outrage. Also another article: http://au.eonline.com/news/donald_trumps_s..._killing/300535 While I love taking the piss out of PETA, I think they're right here. Who the f*ck hunts elephants? Didn't this thing safari hunting thing die out a hundred years ago? What are your thoughts? Thought it would be a good discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Loads of big game hunters and poachers in Africa, not really a new thing, just someone famous is doing it now, and like he said it was perfectly legal, so i don't see why PETA is kicking up a stink. Dumb f*ckers, give it a break, a nobody kills an elephant they don't care, someone famous does and its a big f*cking deal. I think PETA's only goal is to bring down people of fame. Edited March 13, 2012 by finn4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunk Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Anything that spawned from Donald Trump had a 99.9% chance of being a massive thunderc*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakshaft Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The whole Trump family is a waste of space, IIRC there was a story about this one guy who live on a house in a countryside and Donal Trump moved into the property next door, even though his house was out of view of trumps house, the asshole had a large fence put around his property, obviously the guy got pissed and tried to take it down since it was too close to his house, and next thing you know donald trump is sueing him... All that family is, are greed, self-less, money grubbing bastards. If I was in that situation, I would have started shooting, cause that sh*t isnt right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta_king Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Loads of big game hunters and poachers in Africa, not really a new thing, just someone famous is doing it now, and like he said it was perfectly legal, so i don't see why PETA is kicking up a stink.Dumb f*ckers, give it a break, a nobody kills an elephant they don't care, someone famous does and its a big f*cking deal. I think PETA's only goal is to bring down people of fame. I generally dislike most of what PETA come out with but in this regard haven't they and many other groups campaigned against poaching in Africa for many years now, regardless of who it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Jump on it, don't waste time researching. http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2004/september/elephant.htm The good news is that elephant populations are thriving in areas of southern Africa after years of hugely successful conservation, following the banning of the much despised ivory trade. Conservationists in some areas are now faced with a new challenge: overpopulation. Scientists and conservationists in Africa and globally believe that there are three solutions: translocation, culling or contraception, but there is no one solution which can solve problems of overpopulation immediately, and is problem free and humane. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7700606 There is more if you want to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIKKS66 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Anything that spawned from Donald Trump had a 99.9% chance of being a massive thunderc*nt. True, but you wouldn't kick this thunderc*nt out of bed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 How do you hunt an elephant? It's so f*ckin' big and it just stands there. It's not even a challenge. F*ckin' morons. That's not hunting, that's just mindless killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K^2 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't know, I'd be entirely willing to allow elephant hunting... with sabers. If you can take an elephant one on one armed only with a blade, you deserve it. Prior to filing a bug against any of my code, please consider this response to common concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthYENIK Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 How do you hunt an elephant? It's so f*ckin' big and it just stands there. It's not even a challenge. F*ckin' morons. That's not hunting, that's just mindless killing. http://paws.kettering.edu/~jhuggins/humor/elephants.html Or With helicopters and really big rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Jazz Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Not cool, elephants are one of the small percentage of mammals that have a sense of empathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coin-god Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I don't see what's so exiting about hunting elephants. Hunting something that can get away fast is more challenging and interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_stu Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 As long as it isn't endangered I don't see the problem. I mean sure I don't agree with it, but if he wants to kill an elephant let him. He hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coin-god Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 As long as it isn't endangered I don't see the problem. I mean sure I don't agree with it, but if he wants to kill an elephant let him. He hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes. Killing animals for the only purpose of killing is right in your eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Shooting an innocent, unsuspecting beast. Desecrating its body. Is this entertainment? Is this, in any way, noble or courageous? Why did they kill it? To simply say that they had? Is that why this beast had to die? Because strangers from a far-off land wanted the bragging rights? Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGTAGamer Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Hunting animals? Pfft. "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." - Ernest Hemingway. Edited March 13, 2012 by AlexGTAGamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_stu Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 As long as it isn't endangered I don't see the problem. I mean sure I don't agree with it, but if he wants to kill an elephant let him. He hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes. Killing animals for the only purpose of killing is right in your eyes? Yup, that is hunting isn't it? Plenty of people do it. As long as it doesn't cause too much suffering to the animal (i.e. they kill it with a gun) then why not? If it isn't endangered then what does it really matter? People enjoy it, it's a passtime, it's part of the "outdoors experience" to a lot of people. I don't really have strong opinion of either way tbh, but I'm not against people that do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkyman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Legal hunting gives the locals a financial incentive to preserve the elephant population so they can attract rich tourists looking to go on a safari hunting trip. By giving them this financial incentive, it is against the local's self interest to allow the elephants to go extinct, because then the safari hunters wouldn't make the region a vacation spot. And besides, they donated the meat to the local village. It's not like they killed it, took a picture, and left. Edited March 13, 2012 by Chunkyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta_king Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 As long as it isn't endangered I don't see the problem. I mean sure I don't agree with it, but if he wants to kill an elephant let him. He hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes. Killing animals for the only purpose of killing is right in your eyes? Yup, that is hunting isn't it? In a fashion, you can hunt for food which is a case of survival, you could hunt the animals in order to balance the wildlife in the area and keep population down. You could hunt for the pelts or you can hunt for the sake of it. I can see an argument to be made for population control and food but hunting for the sake of it just seems wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshield Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 As long as it isn't endangered I don't see the problem. I mean sure I don't agree with it, but if he wants to kill an elephant let him. He hasn't done anything wrong in my eyes. Killing animals for the only purpose of killing is right in your eyes? Yup, that is hunting isn't it? In a fashion, you can hunt for food which is a case of survival, you could hunt the animals in order to balance the wildlife in the area and keep population down. You could hunt for the pelts or you can hunt for the sake of it. I can see an argument to be made for population control and food but hunting for the sake of it just seems wrong. It's because it is. Barring the fact that it's immoral in many people's eyes, on an objective standpoint it's completely irresponsible. Hunting for sport can throw off the ecological balance of an entire food chain, which is what we see with so many endangered species. But PETA is nothing more than a bunch of rich american nutters that exist solely for profit with a side of "helping animals". They're an advertising machine that hardly hit their goals of humanely treating animals, and rather rely on sensationalism to expand their wallets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitolLimited Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 There's a difference between blatant killing and killing to control a species's population. If you saw a man mutilate a cat on the sidewalk, you would most likely be disturbed or call the cops cause that is something that isn't right. However, if you're killing an animal LEGALLY because they're overpopulated, you want to eat their meat for whatever reason and you have the legal situation or documentation, then by all means go for it. I personally have no knowledge on the elephant scenario in Africa, but if they are indeed legal to kill because they're overpopulated, then they have every right to do so, especially if they're donating the meat or consuming it. If they committed an illegal act, then those fkers should be thrown into an African prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I personally have no knowledge on the elephant scenario in Africa, but if they are indeed legal to kill because they're overpopulated, then they have every right to do so, especially if they're donating the meat or consuming it. The African elephant is considered a threatened species, so I don't think you need to worry about overpopulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I have been hunting before, I don't see the point in it, PETA aside what these guys did wasn't really that bad, they donated all the meat, I think they should try take on a black rhino with nothing but a knife, now that's exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwalker83 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Dumb f*ckers, give it a break, a nobody kills an elephant they don't care, Well, they are nobodies! It's their father who is famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I personally have no knowledge on the elephant scenario in Africa, but if they are indeed legal to kill because they're overpopulated, then they have every right to do so, especially if they're donating the meat or consuming it. The African elephant is considered a threatened species, so I don't think you need to worry about overpopulation. Then why is it legal to hunt them? I thought it was illegal to hunt any animal classified as "threatened" or below? As far as I'm concerned, if it's legal under national and international law I struggle to object. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I personally have no knowledge on the elephant scenario in Africa, but if they are indeed legal to kill because they're overpopulated, then they have every right to do so, especially if they're donating the meat or consuming it. The African elephant is considered a threatened species, so I don't think you need to worry about overpopulation. Then why is it legal to hunt them? I thought it was illegal to hunt any animal classified as "threatened" or below? As far as I'm concerned, if it's legal under national and international law I struggle to object. Legally it may be justifiable. But surely you feel some moral issue with shooting an elephant and butchering its corpse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I personally have no knowledge on the elephant scenario in Africa, but if they are indeed legal to kill because they're overpopulated, then they have every right to do so, especially if they're donating the meat or consuming it. The African elephant is considered a threatened species, so I don't think you need to worry about overpopulation. Then why is it legal to hunt them? I thought it was illegal to hunt any animal classified as "threatened" or below? As far as I'm concerned, if it's legal under national and international law I struggle to object. I really am not familiar with those conservation status things further than me googling random animals and seeing that little chart on Wikipedia if the animal if endangered, threatened, etc. That said I am not really a supporter of hunting. There's just no need for it in today's day and age. At the same time I have trouble trying to make it illegal for people to hunt, it's not my business as long as the animal is not endangered to the point that if you keep hunting it it will substantially hurt biodiversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I personally have no knowledge on the elephant scenario in Africa, but if they are indeed legal to kill because they're overpopulated, then they have every right to do so, especially if they're donating the meat or consuming it. The African elephant is considered a threatened species, so I don't think you need to worry about overpopulation. Then why is it legal to hunt them? I thought it was illegal to hunt any animal classified as "threatened" or below? As far as I'm concerned, if it's legal under national and international law I struggle to object. Honestly, that boggles the mind. You would think that if a species is deemed threatened, you would put laws in place to prevent any unnecessary deaths. My guess is that the law has not caught up to reflect the conservation status. I'm no biologist, though. I'll have to find one and ask them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rown Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Do the locals eat elephant meat? Anyway: I don't buy into human exceptionalism. It feels as dated as geocentricism or flat earth arguments. We shouldn't kill things just because we're bored, and we shouldn't keep things alive just because they amuse us. Too many moral quandaries. Related Thought: If I am threatened and in my home territory, then I will defend myself. If I am threatened and outside of my territory... I should get the f*ck back to my territory. (Internal Dialogue: I should try playing RDR like this... see how it feels.) Rown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Jump on it, don't waste time researching. http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2004/september/elephant.htm The good news is that elephant populations are thriving in areas of southern Africa after years of hugely successful conservation, following the banning of the much despised ivory trade. Conservationists in some areas are now faced with a new challenge: overpopulation. Scientists and conservationists in Africa and globally believe that there are three solutions: translocation, culling or contraception, but there is no one solution which can solve problems of overpopulation immediately, and is problem free and humane. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7700606 There is more if you want to look. it seems there is little reading of early posts. The topic moral issue's are always so compelling. And mind you, that was some years ago. So does anyone have a population count for now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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