Guns N R0se Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) You guys realize the reason schools are so gung-ho on Facebook now is the sh*t with all the kids offing themselves over E-bullying and potential school shootings. When that stuff happens, people always say "Why didn't they know!" and such, so now schools are taking it upon themselves to check that stuff. Interrogation is a bit over the top, but people are crazy when their jobs are on the line. It doesn't say what the girl put on Facebook about the bullying hall monitor, but if someone were to report that to the school officials and say it was a "hate post" then I'd imagine they'd want to check it out to see if it's a threat against other students and/or faculty. Know one here knows all the facts of the story, so I'd hold off on condemning the school faculty. Edited March 12, 2012 by Guns N R0se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iminicus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Am I the only one asking why a 12 year old has a Facebook account? According to the Facebook Statements of Rights and Responsibility: You will not use Facebook if you are under 13. That is under section 4 Registration and Account Security Facebook Legal Terms Also, since she does have an account, why aren't her parents, you know parenting? Why are they not monitoring how she uses Facebook. The school is in the wrong, no doubt. Yet, this young girl shouldn't be on Facebook without parental supervision. So, really, the school is stepping in to parent, when they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns N R0se Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Am I the only one asking why a 12 year old has a Facebook account? According to the Facebook Statements of Rights and Responsibility: You will not use Facebook if you are under 13. That is under section 4 Registration and Account Security Facebook Legal Terms Also, since she does have an account, why aren't her parents, you know parenting? Why are they not monitoring how she uses Facebook. The school is in the wrong, no doubt. Yet, this young girl shouldn't be on Facebook without parental supervision. So, really, the school is stepping in to parent, when they should. No one listens to those terms of use. And parents don't care. Welcome to 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 So, really, the school is stepping in to parent, when they should. I've always been of the opinion schools shouldn't be doing parenting. I mean, teachers and administrators have enough work on their plate as it is (you know, keeping the school running, marking, teaching the curriculum, et cetera), so they really shouldn't have to act as a second set of parents. Imi does raise a good point how the girl shouldn't even be on Facebook in the first place, but that still doesn't excuse the school for their conduct (as he also pointed out). She posted, off school property, that she thought a hall monitor was picking on her. If she posted something like, "The hall monitor molested me," then I could understand the school's actions, because that's a bit more serious. School staff need to learn that students are not going to like everyone in a position of authority and to be fair, some of the administrators when I was in grade school were assholes and not worthy of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iminicus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 So, really, the school is stepping in to parent, when they should. I've always been of the opinion schools shouldn't be doing parenting. I mean, teachers and administrators have enough work on their plate as it is (you know, keeping the school running, marking, teaching the curriculum, et cetera), so they really shouldn't have to act as a second set of parents. Imi does raise a good point how the girl shouldn't even be on Facebook in the first place, but that still doesn't excuse the school for their conduct (as he also pointed out). She posted, off school property, that she thought a hall monitor was picking on her. If she posted something like, "The hall monitor molested me," then I could understand the school's actions, because that's a bit more serious. School staff need to learn that students are not going to like everyone in a position of authority and to be fair, some of the administrators when I was in grade school were assholes and not worthy of respect. Ic, I agree. Schools shouldn't parent but when the State has taken away the right of parents to parent, it falls on everyone else to do it. It seems that one of the parents of another student brought the matter to the attention of the school, as such, it then became a school issue. Regardless, of it happening on school property or not. I once got in a fight, before school but off school grounds. I was still punished by the school for fight, because according to local law, from the hours school is in operation 7:30 am to 3:30 pm, they are responsible for the students, regardless of physical location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 If my School/College asked for my facebook details I'd tell them to f*ck off and walk out. Yeah.. Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns N R0se Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 If my School/College asked for my facebook details I'd tell them to f*ck off and walk out. Yeah.. Me too Neither of you are 12 year old girls (afaik... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I once got in a fight, before school but off school grounds. I was still punished by the school for fight, because according to local law, from the hours school is in operation 7:30 am to 3:30 pm, they are responsible for the students, regardless of physical location. Yeah, I actually got suspended under that rule in high school. The fight was during lunch and it took place off school property, but since it was during school hours, the school had jurisdiction to punish us (and they did). Granted, better them than the police (suspension versus possible criminal proceedings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainland Marauder Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I thought the schools were farming out all the discipline nowadays to the local cops/courts anyway. You get in a scuffle in the lunch room and you're standing in front of a judge. Makes me wonder what the administrators actually get paid to do. Make sure the teachers are teaching to the standardized tests, I guess. "You tell me exactly what you want, and I'll explain to you very carefully why it cannot be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmC12 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 She is now suing her school for privacy violations. The school shouldn't have expected anything less really, their fault for snooping in other people's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshield Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Spoilers: You shouldn't put things online if you don't want people seeing it. That's not the issue here. The issue is with the school taking action on their own, acting outside of their jurisdiction. If it's an issue like that, the parents should be involved, and deal punishment on their own. The school went way too far. If it had been my kid, I would have pulled her out of that sh*thole. If it was something involving another student, that would be a different issue - the school should be allowed to step in and mediate, but that isn't the case. Anecdote for perspective: during my senior year, there was a big weed bust on campus. This led to a big class assembly to talk about drugs. Our principal spoke for about an hour, and tl;dr - "Don't do illegal sh*t on school grounds. If you do what you do outside, that's your parents' and local PD's issue. Keep that sh*t out of our school." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_R_LFC Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 If the man really wanted to see my facebook mails many people would be arrested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 She is now suing her school for privacy violations. Very glad to hear this. I would hope anyone else would do the same if in her shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryuclan Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Good. No matter how public info is, it is not right to punish someone for things said in the confines of their home using.their equipment and without any threats. The school is highly out of bounds on.this.one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trip Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 She is now suing her school for privacy violations. The school shouldn't have expected anything less really, their fault for snooping in other people's business. Sweet. This is one of those times I like lawyers. I hope this whole situation/case is getting enough exposure so as to bring more awareness. My crappy games at MyCrappyGames.com Free copy of Save The Puppies and Kittens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I think it is ok for a school to punish for online bullying, but swearing or voicing your opinion they should f*ck off, they don't get us in trouble for those things if we are telling mates outside of school. Sue the bastards, they deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I think it is ok for a school to punish for online bullying It absolutely is not. They should certainly warn the parents of both children, arrange a meeting to talk about it, whatever, but facebook should remain out of their jurisdiction. They are a school, not a second set of parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryuclan Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I think it is ok for a school to punish for online bullying It absolutely is not. They should certainly warn the parents of both children, arrange a meeting to talk about it, whatever, but facebook should remain out of their jurisdiction. They are a school, not a second set of parents. I wholeheartedly agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll rdny ll Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 This is a really f*cked up story. I remember when I was in junior high, I called my history teacher a **nt to her face, and all I got was 1 day of detention. School's are retarded these days. (The teacher in question in my story, literally was a **nt. She said we were allowed to listen to music and doodle when we were done with our homework. So I finished my homework, turned on my CDplayer and started doodling. She ripped the discman off my desk and threw it at the wall, and started screaming at me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwalker83 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 good lord.... getting suspended for a swear word? I would be sueing the f*ck out of that school Yeah, some thing tells me the principal's name is not Niko Bellic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 This is a really f*cked up story. I remember when I was in junior high, I called my history teacher a **nt to her face, and all I got was 1 day of detention. You only got a day of detention for that? A guy I knew in high school called a teacher a c*nt and he got a five day suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm one to hate the fact that people seem to be suing everyone for anything, but this is 100% acceptable. The school had no right to ask for an apology, let alone the numerous invasions of her privacy. Schools between grade 1-12 seem to give teachers and staff a sense of authority incredibly outside of their bounds. As educators their prime directive is to teach yet in my experiences they all take their job as a role to enforce their will upon students. I hope they rape the school and staff that made this f*ck up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 This is a really f*cked up story. I remember when I was in junior high, I called my history teacher a **nt to her face, and all I got was 1 day of detention. You only got a day of detention for that? A guy I knew in high school called a teacher a c*nt and he got a five day suspension. I got a week off for giving a teacher the finger. Dude in my class got a week off for pushing a teacher over a desk and trying to punch her. He was on the football team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDanceWithLance Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 This is a really f*cked up story. I remember when I was in junior high, I called my history teacher a **nt to her face, and all I got was 1 day of detention. You only got a day of detention for that? A guy I knew in high school called a teacher a c*nt and he got a five day suspension. I got a week off for giving a teacher the finger. Dude in my class got a week off for pushing a teacher over a desk and trying to punch her. He was on the football team though. You know what is pretty stupid? A guy in my class got a detention simply for saying "hi" to his friend. Also, a guy at another school once threatened his principal with a knife after he was ordered to surrender his bag to be searched. What an idiot. Out of curiousity, why would that guy in your class want to punch the teacher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrrhic Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The school staff was completely out of line. They hold no authority over what she does outside of school grounds, and last I checked, social networks are not physically within school grounds. Abso-f*ckin-lutely. This is the kind of sh*t that really pisses me off. It had nothing to do with school and it was WAY out of line to give a suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingleman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Though I think they do hold SOME credibility, I really don't get why schools are held as responsible as they are for sh*t like this because the people meet each other there. That's like me suing a local bar because I met a woman there who gave me an STD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Well... now that you've said it you can expect it soon. Already bars are blamed for Drunk drivers. It's a wonder some legislator hasn't proposed a law to require a Police Officer (at the bars expense) to be at the door to take keys and breathalize the patrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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