F*CK DLC

[Pat]

im leaving this here not because you have won but because your level of retardness is pushing me to the edge of suicide and its starting to effect my mental health!

Again, you post the same arguments you have already made, and you follow it up with personal insults. Oyster, I do believe you are intelligent, and I do still respect you somewhat, but the way you've handled this has disappointed me quite a lot. Can you tell me why, believing that the content was always meant to be DLC, you still support it? Can you explain to me why you believe there is nothing wrong with selling content that could have easily been added to the core game for an extra profit? I understand that you're satisfied with the DLC, but would you not prefer it if it had been part of the core game? Can you give me a legitimate argument against it being part of the core game?

 

I don't expect a reply, but this time, if you do give one, please avoid the insults. I haven't insulted your intelligence once in this debate.

[The Killa]

 

Because BioWare's excuse is that they needed to have the character on the disc for him to work properly. If we look at other, even larger examples of downloadable content, we know this to be false.

 

And how many other larger companies have released DLC on the first day of release? How do you know they didn't run into a technical problem and needed to put him in to fix it? How much knowledge do you possess in video game development? You're assuming way too much and I feel like you need to elaborate more in order to make any solid point whatsoever.

 

 

Failed reading comprehension. I said there is no way they didn't know that it existed - not that there is no way they didn't know it was still on the disc.

 

Fair enough, didn't understand what you were completely getting at. And the point stands that both Rockstar and Bioware f*cked up their coding in those situations.

 

 

Again, failed reading comprehension. I'm waiting for you to convince me that it is an ethical business tactic. That it is an action that I should support. Which, might I add, you still have not managed (or even attempted) to do.

 

Though, I really think you need to reconsider who is the one failing to comprehend one's arguments here. For the 9000th time, none of us (me at least) are denying that they're doing it for an extra profit. Tell me why these companies exist in the first place? It's the fact you're assuming that Bioware is lying when they say they're putting in the character for technical purposes, and denying they put in extra hard work to release day one DLC. They're giving people immediate optional extra content for ten f*cking dollars, and the slightest issue comes up suddenly they're all liars.

 

If I actually liked Mass Effect I'd be delighted with the extra content.

[Tycek]

From what I understand "From Ashes" was meant to be given for free for all collector's edition holders. Owners of standard edition shouldn't have access to this DLC. Now I should feel violated, because we both can play it. Of course you have to buy it where I bought it already (by buying more expensive edition). It couldn't be incorporated into game files, because it would be stupid if they would make different disks for normal version and collector's version. Cheapest way to do it is putting some sheet of paper with code inside the box and let players downloaded, which is also bad for people not having fast enough internet connection, but it's only logical way to do it. Protean character can be found on disk, because he was part of beta tests regarding "From Ashes". I don't see what is the problem here.

 

Similar situation was with Tampa in TLaD, where full car (along with handling IIRC) was found in add-on files. We still have to pay for BoGT to use this car and nobody was ranting about it (maybe somebody was doing it, but it wasn't so blew up out of proportion).

 

It's not very good for us, but it's something I can live with. Games aren't needed to live, so we don't need to buy them. Don't like games don't play them, don't like movies, don't watch them. Simple as that.

 

@Pat

 

You may have a little right in things you're saying, but there is nothing you can do about it. As long there will be demand, there will be supply. As long we will be buying games, there will be someone trying to sell them and rip us off in one way or another. Some add-ons are bettter, some are worse, but we don't have to buy them. You got eyes and mind, so think what is best for you and your wallet, because it's only thing you can do as customer. Either this or grab some banner and join thousands of outraged people standing in the middle of the streets that goverment doesn't give a single f*ck about.

Edited March 13, 2012 by Tycek

[The Killa]

From what I understand "From Ashes" was meant to be given for free for all collector's edition holders. Owners of standard edition shouldn't have access to this DLC. Now I should feel violated, because we both can play it. Of course you have to buy it where I bought it already (by buying more expensive edition). It couldn't be incorporated into game files, because it would be stupid if they would make different disks for normal version and collector's version. Cheapest way to do it is putting some sheet of paper with code inside the box and let players downloaded, which is also bad for people not having fast enough internet connection, but it's only logical way to do it. Protean character can be found on disk, because he was part of beta tests regarding "From Ashes". I don't see what is the problem here.

 

Similar situation was with Tampa in TLaD, where full car (along with handling IIRC) was found in add-on files. We still have to pay for BoGT to use this car and nobody was ranting about it (maybe somebody was doing it, but it wasn't so blew up out of proportion).

 

It's not very good for us, but it's something I can live with. Games aren't needed to live, so we don't need to buy them. Don't like games don't play them, don't like movies, don't watch them. Simple as that.

 

@Pat

 

You may have a little right in things you're saying, but there is nothing you can do about it. As long there will be demand, there will be supply. As long we will be buying games, there will be someone trying to sell them and rip us off in one way or another. Some add-ons are bettter, some are worse, but we don't have to buy them. You got eyes and mind, so think what is best for you and your wallet, because it's only thing you can do as customer. Either this or grab some banner and join thousands of outraged people standing in the middle of the streets that goverment doesn't give a single f*ck about.

Well, that's exactly what I'm trying to get at. This whole situation has effectively been blown out of proportion. You may not desire to purchase the extra content, or you may disagree with their business practices, but that doesn't mean someone is holding a gun to your head making you press the "Buy Now" button.

[Mister Pink]

A couple of times people have said, it's their decision and you don't have to buy it. That's not a really fair statement. It's like you like video games and you've purchased plenty and paid plenty of money over the year, now the game devs/publishers are going to change the rules blatantly. You've bought the first two games and you want the 3rd but now this..., ya know?

 

Fair enough, there's nothing we can do. I don't feel mad strongly about it either. I just kind of get upset when people seem happy to move on and almost put Pat down for taking a stand to what he believes is bad business practice.

 

If we're all so complacent, these companies would just trample all over is to get a buck. Maybe BioWares case isn't the worst but as gamers it would be nice to be heard as a warning to other devs, not to try any fancy sh*t that may piss off paying consumers. If not for BioWare's case but if it's a current trend and the community is vocal enough about less than satisfactory business practices well we might put pressure to keep quality up.

 

Aside from DLC, other things seems to be going down the toilet with gaming. We don't need to give them the impression that we'll just throw money at everything they throw at us.

 

EDIT: I'm speaking loosely about games and DLC, not Mass Effect 3 in particular.

Edited March 13, 2012 by ThePinkFloydSound

[OysterBarron]

First off im sorry pat! the last thing i want to do is fall out with somone on the forum and i shouldnt get personal! I just havent been this riled up on the forums since i was 19 and first joined the forums getting in arguments i said back then that i need to chill out a bit!

 

can we kiss and make up?

 

i hate to bring up the same points again but this is how i see it. the from ashes was invsioned as an extra for colloctors edition! allthough it can be said to be day one DLC it's primary use was for an extra thats fans picking up the collectors edition could enjoy. and then secondly offered up as DLC for anyone else wanting to add another piece of story to there standard campaghin.

 

allthough im not saying that there arent examples out there of poorly thought out DLC campaghns i truly beleive that mass effects is not one of them and certain qutes have def been misinterprited! and as far as i can tell when thinking rationally about what facts that have be presented this is the only conclusion i can come to as like i said before i dont think a producer from bioware would go out of his way to piss off his well established community. im basically saying that i dont think the from ashes dlc can be used as avalid example of how not todo dlc.

[Pat]

 

For the 9000th time, none of us (me at least) are denying that they're doing it for an extra profit.

No, but you haven't told me why you find that to be acceptable. That's what I'm asking. I'm not arguing that it was taken from the final game anymore - I'm willing to concede that it's possible it wasn't, and I'm willing to believe it either was or was not taken from the final game (I believe each possibility equally at this point), but I still want to know why you find the concept of day-one downloadable content to be an acceptable business practice. I'm not asking you to admit that they're doing it for profit, I'm asking you why you support their actions. I'm not even trying to convince you that you're wrong to support them, I merely want to know why.

 

And Oyster, we're fine. I'm not going to debate any further with you, because this thing isn't worth losing a friend over. I understand why you were upset, and I apologize.

[Creed Bratton]

You are both right, and you are both wrong. I understand that they wanted to add something extra for collector's edition buyers. But the thing is, this particular DLC is just too important for the story to be a day one DLC. If it was a day one weapon's pack or something else that would have been fine. But a god damn prothean? For $10?! The entire game is $60. They really think one character is worth 1/6 of the full price?

[Tycek]

 

Aside from DLC, other things seems to be going down the toilet with gaming. We don't need to give them the impression that we'll just throw money at everything they throw at us.

 

EDIT: I'm speaking loosely about games and DLC, not Mass Effect 3 in particular.

Unfortunately, we already did.

 

How many people are buying new part of Call of Duty every year? CoD isn't bad game in terms of quality, but there is no way it's worth full price. 4 hours long campaign and almost the same multiplayer. Some add-ons are longer that this and they're way cheaper. CoD isn't only example though. My friend bought the newest MoH and he completed in on hardest difficulty in 4 hours. Is that okay? Paying 15$ for 1 hour of game?

 

We showed developers that we will buy everything (New Fifa every year, when they just could release add-ons with updated teams, new PES every year, new NFS every year - each worse than previous one, new CoD every year). We brought that at us and we have to swallow this now.

[OysterBarron]

 

You are both right, and you are both wrong. I understand that they wanted to add something extra for collector's edition buyers. But the thing is, this particular DLC is just too important for the story to be a day one DLC. If it was a day one weapon's pack or something else that would have been fine. But a god damn prothean? For $10?! The entire game is $60. They really think one character is worth 1/6 of the full price?

Thats the thin avanja its not just the prothean its

 

20mins ish mission , different skins for eachingame character , a prothean assult rifle , and the added bonus of unlocking and recruiting the prothean character. its not just the character himself. like manypeople who have the standard edition can still enjoy without the need to purchase the from ashes dlc.

 

thats cool pat im having a right old mess of a day ive been so distracted with this that i brought a soup bowl no soup. forgeting to put pallets on lorrys! im thinking it may have something todo with the medication the doc put me on last week so you will have to excuse me hopefully normal service will be resumed shortly!

Edited March 13, 2012 by oysterbarron

[Fireman]

Each topic I see Pat's name come by I always laugh at little.

 

 

 

Anyway, pre-made DLC is retarded. I've disliked DLC since it began, because the only DLC available was "a new outfit! a new gun! ONE ENTIRELY NEW MISSION".

 

Expansion packs is what I want, not fifty separate DLC's for €10,- each.

[The Killa]

For the 9000th time, none of us (me at least) are denying that they're doing it for an extra profit.

No, but you haven't told me why you find that to be acceptable. That's what I'm asking. I'm not arguing that it was taken from the final game anymore - I'm willing to concede that it's possible it wasn't, and I'm willing to believe it either was or was not taken from the final game (I believe each possibility equally at this point), but I still want to know why you find the concept of day-one downloadable content to be an acceptable business practice. I'm not asking you to admit that they're doing it for profit, I'm asking you why you support their actions. I'm not even trying to convince you that you're wrong to support them, I merely want to know why.

 

And Oyster, we're fine. I'm not going to debate any further with you, because this thing isn't worth losing a friend over. I understand why you were upset, and I apologize.

I never really stated my support for day one DLC. I did say it didn't bother me, however. I'm not a Mass Effect fan so I won't even bother buying the DLC, or the game itself for that matter, and that's the way I see it. I think releasing a piece of sh*t CoD every year is an unacceptable business practice and a ripoff, but that doesnt mean I go out and buy it, and it doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. But I don't give a sh*t about it, therefore it has no particular meaning to me. I don't like it, so I don't buy it. End of. Therefore, whether or not they release DLC on day one or day 90, it doesn't matter to me.

 

If there was a day one DLC for a game I really liked, then I wouldn't hesitate buying it.

[ccrogers15]

Each topic I see Pat's name come by I always laugh at little.

 

 

 

Anyway, pre-made DLC is retarded. I've disliked DLC since it began, because the only DLC available was "a new outfit! a new gun! ONE ENTIRELY NEW MISSION".

 

Expansion packs is what I want, not fifty separate DLC's for €10,- each.

Sounds like Saints row 3. All was made before the release. All is mostly stupid clothing, or guns. THEY EVEN TRIED TO CHARGE FOR CHEATS! 2.99 for 3 cheats? Sounds deeply retarded.

[Creed Bratton]

Saints Row The Turd is the biggest failure since Nazi Germany. Everything about that game is wrong. There is a limit to how much over the top you can go before you become fully retarded. Volition was close to crossing that limit with the core game, but they finally crossed it with cheats DLC and Gangstas in space DLC.

[ccrogers15]

Saints Row The Turd is the biggest failure since Nazi Germany. Everything about that game is wrong. There is a limit to how much over the top you can go before you become fully retarded. Volition was close to crossing that limit with the core game, but they finally crossed it with cheats DLC and Gangstas in space DLC.

I actually liked gangstas in space. It was kinda fun. All the other DLC is retarded. Dont get me started with the new BLOOD SUCKER PACK.

[Gtaghost22]

 

Saints Row The Turd is the biggest failure since Nazi Germany. Everything about that game is wrong. There is a limit to how much over the top you can go before you become fully retarded. Volition was close to crossing that limit with the core game, but they finally crossed it with cheats DLC and Gangstas in space DLC.

This^

 

Ont Topic: i f*cking DLCs (except few).. The only good DLCs which i actually i bought are The DLC for this games:

 

- GTA IV: (Ballad of GayTony & The Lost and Damned)

- Red Dead Redemption

- Midnight Club:LA

- Uncharted 2

- Uncharted 3

- Assassins Creed brothehood

-inFAMOUS 2

- Resident Evil 5

Edited March 13, 2012 by Gtaghost22

[ccrogers15]

Im kinda sad now. I loved saints row 1 and 2. After 3... eh. Now... Volition says "Saints row 4 will be wilder then saints row 3". Oh dear... Im terrified.

 

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...mi6C1ze36eIHdyA

[Gtaghost22]

 

Im kinda sad now. I loved saints row 1 and 2. After 3... eh. Now... Volition says "Saints row 4 will be wilder then saints row 3". Oh dear... Im terrified.

 

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...mi6C1ze36eIHdyA

Yeah... Even though i'm a GTA fan i still kinda liked saints row 2, but saints row 3 was such a failure, and reading this proves saints row 4 will be even worse

Edited March 13, 2012 by Gtaghost22

[*MURDOC*]

Im kinda sad now. I loved saints row 1 and 2. After 3... eh. Now... Volition says "Saints row 4 will be wilder then saints row 3". Oh dear... Im terrified.

 

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...mi6C1ze36eIHdyA

Yeah great, there is a Saints Row topic and this isn't it.

[E.A.B.]

 

Does it really matter that there is a character on the disk? A lot of you here are getting your knickers in a twist over nothing at all. It's not like they included the entire DLC on the disk.

This isn't only about Mass Effect 3, mind you

 

SFXTekken has

 

all

characters

on

the

disc

already

 

game released last week, they're gonna release DLC well into the fall

 

 

Who f*cking knows and who f*cking cares?

 

is it really that hard to figure out why they want you to pay for something you already have. Hell, even if you don't have the entire DLC content, I can give you a couple of ideas.

 

 

Anyway, am I the only one who honestly doesn't give a f*cking toss what or wasn't on the disc? Oh, the character slipped through. Oops, big f*cking deal. Sure, you can edit the game files and so on but what fun would that be? You have a near-worthless character and you're missing out on the content and the story that would be the entire point.

 

The Bioware mess comes on the heels of people within the company telling gamers to go f*ck themselves because they don't know anything about gaming, that gamers feel entitled because they don't deserve to after paying for something, and some other nonesense. So its much bigger than DLC. Its a whole PR issue EAware is having.

 

Capcom, objectively speaking, is doing this whole DLC thing even worse. But their games still, at least, maintain some semblance of quality and not screwing fans up with the basic formula inherent in them

 

 

And the way companies do DLC doesn't bother me. It's no shocker companies are out to make money. I'm grateful to be able to enjoy any video game nowdays, and if I enjoy to the extent that I want more content then I'll happily pay for more of it. If I didn't enjoy it, then I won't - simple. No big deal.

 

I notice this line of thinking a lot. The problem comes when companies take advantage of that.

 

I mean, I know large corporations are generous and benevolent to the point of sainthood, but I wouldn't put it past them to, perhaps, charge you double what is necessary to make a buck, a profit, and enough money for the next game. The only companies I can trust are those in touch with their consumers, not out of touch. SUDA51 didn't make a huge buck out of NMH1, but he promised his fans they'd get a sequel (and it was delicious), and we did. Listening to your fanbase? Holysh*t.

 

 

You may not desire to purchase the extra content, or you may disagree with their business practices, but that doesn't mean someone is holding a gun to your head making you press the "Buy Now" button.

 

Well sh*t boy, with that logic they could release GTAV and only have HALF THE GAME available, with the other half costing another 60 bucks and you'd be okay with it because LOL THEY ARENT FORCING YOU TO BUY THE OTHER HALF.

 

Do you still not see the issue here? That's a toilet paper dabbed in water weak argument. It's a weak argument; ''no one is forcing you to live in Nazi Germany''

 

lolhitlerininternetdebates

 

The issue is that the event is occurring, not that it might be occurring to me. Will people quit using this defense? The chewbaca defense is better.

Edited March 13, 2012 by E.A.B.

[ryuclan]

This thing isn't just about ME3. Its just that that particular occurrence is what everyone is talking about. SR 3, SF X T, a lot of developers are beginning to do this.

[OysterBarron]

with Some MMO's now offering free to play model i do see a time where companys are forced to rleease there games for free and you only pay for the content you wish to play, but thats probably in the distant future!

[Rebel]

I think some DLC is great, like Fallout games. But honestly, I'm just the type of person that always thinks I should get said content but never have the time or the real fee cash to actually get the DLC. However, I don't think its right to be selling a game with locked content on it - and you have to pay more money just to unlock said content. Its like giving me a half eaten pizza and trying to explain to me that I can buy 4 more slices if they are needed (okay probably a bad analogy but, hell)

[darthYENIK]

I rarely get DLC. I'll get it if it's cheap, or if it's big like TLAD or TBOGT.

[The Killa]

 

Well sh*t boy, with that logic they could release GTAV and only have HALF THE GAME available, with the other half costing another 60 bucks and you'd be okay with it because LOL THEY ARENT FORCING YOU TO BUY THE OTHER HALF.

 

Do you still not see the issue here? That's a toilet paper dabbed in water weak argument. It's a weak argument; ''no one is forcing you to live in Nazi Germany''

 

That's clutching at straws there. Of course if half the game was available over two 60 dollar DLC's then there is legitimate reason to be upset, yet the fundamental issue here is $10 DLC that has no significant impact on the main story whatsoever.

 

I think you're not completely understanding what I've been talking about this whole time. I am not 100% okay with the fact that there is day one DLC, but it's that I don't blow it out of proportion and call it a tragedy among human beings, and make threads on internet forums calling for heads. Of course, companies are slimy c*nts who will do many things to get an extra buck out of the customer and I'm not denying that, but the fundamental issue here is the choice of the customer whether or not they deem their $10 to be justifiable enough for the extra content. It's their money, their opinions. I don't like Mass Effect, so I won't get it. It's not like companies are doing this suddenly out of nowhere, trying to get an extra buck. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Whats so hard to understand about that? If you disagree with their business practice, then you have absolutely no obligation to purchase their products.

 

Yes, I understand the fact that this may be a greater PR issue as far as Bioware / EA are concerned. If they want to make their games the way they want to make them - then so be it. It is their game after all, I don't have anything to say about it. I won't be purchasing it. If you don't like it, then turn away and play and support something you DO like.

Edited March 13, 2012 by The Killa

[Absurdity]

Really, what is on the disk, code wise is what you can expect to be purchasing the license for when you buy a video game disk.

 

Whether that particular line of code is a Prothywhatthef*ck ever is of rather piss all consequence. Video games simply don't exist in the concrete manner a lot of you lot seem to view them as being.

 

[friendly luggage]

Really, what is on the disk, code wise is what you can expect to be purchasing the license for when you buy a video game disk.

 

Whether that particular line of code is a Prothywhatthef*ck ever is of rather piss all consequence. Video games simply don't exist in the concrete manner a lot of you lot seem to view them as being.

When you've been waiting for a game for months watching every trailer, you're given an idea of what's to be included. I watched many DiRT3 trailers and saw group B cars as well as the MK2 Escort and BMW ingame well before the release. When the game was released many group B cars, MK2 escort and BMW were not in the game. One week later f*cking dlc to buy cars that should have been in the game. They were shown ages before the release INGAME, yet they took them out and released them as dlc just to milk the consumer even more. I'm not buying another Codemasters game. They went too far and also ruined Colin McCrae. F*ck EPIC games as well for their bullsh*t GoW3 map pack which was already on the disc. EPIC game have just recently pissed me off even more for taking away dedicated servers from me because I didn't buy their dlc. I only bought GoW, GoW2 and all their map backs but no that's not enough plus £40 for GoW3. I didn't buy the dlc for GoW3 because it was too soon after the release and I hate those subscriptions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trip]

 

Bear in mind Atari2600 Space Invaders was written by one guy, Skyrim probably had a hundred people working on it.  I almost feel we should be thankful that games aren't $300 a pop - not including DLC prices.

Well, for one thing each person working on the game would probably get sh*t pay for the game compared to the amount of effort they put in to creating the game.

I hate to distract from the current feeling of this thread but...

 

The current teams make decent money. There are documentaries on the old Atari2600 programmers and how they were abused, given no credit, and very little pay. As much as people like to hate EA and Activision - they are the first two development houses that actually respected and honored their programmers. EA got it's name because they were the first house to see game programming as an art form. Activision used to go so far as to include bios of the programmer in the game manuals. I can't knock them for being successful and having made it this far(even though the crash of the 80s), and I will forever honor their ultra positive contributions to the industry and its way of thinking.

 

I'm also not convinced that the DLC model started as a way to make money. I like to believe it was conceived as a way to add longevity to a game and series.

 

The bean counters and producers rarely get along. The produces saw the good in DLC while the bean counters saw the $$$. Sadly, it is usually the bean counters that have the most influence.

 

Did I mention I ramble sometimes?

[nightwalker83]

 

I'm also not convinced that the DLC model started as a way to make money.  I like to believe it was conceived as a way to add longevity to a game and series.

Yeah, I think the most I have ever paid for dlc not including the main game is about $15.00 for Mafia 2 stuff.

[E.A.B.]

 

Well sh*t boy, with that logic they could release GTAV and only have HALF THE GAME available, with the other half costing another 60 bucks and you'd be okay with it because LOL THEY ARENT FORCING YOU TO BUY THE OTHER HALF.

 

Do you still not see the issue here? That's a toilet paper dabbed in water weak argument. It's a weak argument; ''no one is forcing you to live in Nazi Germany''

 

That's clutching at straws there. Of course if half the game was available over two 60 dollar DLC's then there is legitimate reason to be upset, yet the fundamental issue here is $10 DLC that has no significant impact on the main story whatsoever.

Debatable

 

A lot of characters in that series have backstories that aren't so simple, and taking out one characters backstory is debatable (as to whether or not it mattered) since it IS a franchise known for this sh*t. I mean, if No More Heroes took out a boss fight; the whole point of the game being boss fights, well...let's just say there's a reason why people shrug off DLC weapon skins. Cause they don't matter as much and aren't integral to the experience.

 

Also, It IS an RPG, after all.

 

As for me clutching at straws; that's just me taking it to its logical extreme. I'm using the same logic in the same context and taking it to the extreme to see if it holds water.

 

 

I think you're not completely understanding what I've been talking about this whole time. I am not 100% okay with the fact that there is day one DLC, but it's that I don't blow it out of proportion and call it a tragedy among human beings, and make threads on internet forums calling for heads.

 

Calling for heads is a little extreme, but this is called complaints. It's perfectly fine and dandy. It's part of the process. People will complain if there is something they do not like. They will call up the manufacturer if there is some fault with their product. It's the natural result of things, so I guess we can skip over the 'people have no right to complain' and other such arguments. People will complain, there is no argument against this so I guess the discussion is kinda moving forward? Or are you gonna say that consumers can't complain? I think there's a hotline for that in the US

 

 

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Whats so hard to understand about that? If you disagree with their business practice, then you have absolutely no obligation to purchase their products.

 

Here's where the kicker lies; some people DO like the product, they just don't like the way it is handled. There's a difference there. ''If you don't like it, shop around'' doesn't apply, because, well...you tell me what other company is selling Mass Effect 3 differently.

 

It isn't like a Mower, where Mower A can be replaced with Mower B from company B. You can't apply that type of logic to intellectual property, precisely BECAUSE you CAN'T find it anywhere else. I mean, if another company wants to do it differently, fine. They can copy the characters and universe, just be prepared for lawsuits.

 

The logic of simply not purchasing the product implies that I only care about the product itself and not the medium as a whole. I'm not criticizing the product as much as the way in which it's being handled. Which sets a trend for companies I DO like, which means it might ultimately affect me. ''Then don't buy that game at all''; and when all companies do this, just quit Gaming altogether?

 

We're going a bit broader scoped in that scenario, but you catch my drift. The criticism isn't coming from the movie industry, cause they don't care about video games. It's coming from Gamers, who are affected by what happens within their loved industry. Same way protestors argue about legislation because they live within the country and care about its direction, as will Gamers argue about how the medium is treated by companies and how they handle its works.

 

I'm seriously getting tired of the ''just don't buy it'' argument; cause I wasn't planning to and don't give a damn about Mass Effect either way. My scope is broader than that. Any further retorts in that line of thought boil down to ''just quit squirming so much jesus christ''. It goes like that in elections as well; ''just don't vote for that person'' (in keeping with my political analogy). And people don't, but they also say WHY they don't and explain why the line of thought is flawed.

 

It's a little harder with games, though. You have established personalities and an entire world created that is hampered (the experience) by business practices, so its not like voting since you are more vested into it.

 

 

If they want to make their games the way they want to make them - then so be it. It is their game after all, I don't have anything to say about it. I won't be purchasing it. If you don't like it, then turn away and play and support something you DO like.

 

Oh, I DO (I emphasized the DO twice, thereby outdoing your emphasis) support companies I like.

 

But that doesn't mean I can't bitch at Shackelford Motors for releasing motors that blow your car up automatically. Oh, I won't be buying from them, that's for sure. But I will tell them, and will explain to them why its bad practice. Seriously, how is this bad? How is telling someone trying to sell you something that they are doing something wrong and its driving business away?

 

Are we so subservient to those greater than us nowadays that we refuse to criticize them? I'm having a hard time grasping your logic here. So don't tell Capcom how I feel about the product they are trying to sell me? With my wallet, sure, but also with my vocal criticism and/or praise.

 

When did we become so apathetic?

Edited March 14, 2012 by E.A.B.