F*CK DLC

[DP Man]

I guess DLC means ''Disk Locked Content'' nowadays /:

I'm f*cking tired of devs and publishers encouraging this practice. I miss the days where extra costumes, cars and weapons were unlockables we worked for. Where's the love of making games gone?

[ryuclan]

I think the combination of

 

DLC being on disk + Announcing of DLC prior to game release = Pissed off individuals.

 

I am comfortably sitting in the on disk content should.not have to be paid for again...wagon, and honestly if this were back in the day you'd just play the game to eventually unlock it. For me to pay an already outrageous $60+ for a video game not only do I expect that game to be worth my money I expect to get a full game. For there to be areas, character, missions on this disk that I paid $60+ for and not be able to access until I pay another $5, $10, $15 is unacceptable.

[ccrogers15]

One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD.

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

Did i say i was a fanboy? No so screw off. DLC should be released on all the systems the game is on. Not really fair, say example:

 

Bob buys GTA IV on 360 for 59.99. He gets DLC.

Tuna buys GTA IV on PS3 for 59.99. He dont get DLC.

 

They both pay the devs for there game, the same price. They need to be treated fair.

[Iminicus]

 

One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD.

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

Did i say i was a fanboy? No so screw off. DLC should be released on all the systems the game is on. Not really fair, say example:

 

Bob buys GTA IV on 360 for 59.99. He gets DLC.

Tuna buys GTA IV on PS3 for 59.99. He dont get DLC.

 

They both pay the devs for there game, the same price. They need to be treated fair.

You are always bitching about MS, everywhere you post is an attack against MS. As such, that shows you are a f*cking fanboy.

 

MS paid Rockstar for exclusive first rights to GTA IV DLC, this lasted for a year. It was then ported to the PS3 and PC. Did you bitch about Sony signing exclusive first rights to GTAIII, Vice City, San Andreas for the PS2? What about the fact GTA:Vice City Storied and Liberty City Stories are still exclusive to the PSP, do you bitch about that?

 

MS isn't the only company buying up exclusives to sell their console. Sony had an exclusive for DC v Mortal Kombat. Sony have exclusives for LA Noire that the Xbox won't get for awhile longer.

 

Your hatred of exclusives is only directed at one company, MS. You are a typical Sony fanboy.

 

Myself, since I know you will attack me, I love games. I don't give a f*ck if it is a PC game, PS3 game, Xbox game or Wii game. As long as it is worth playing and supporting I want it. I don't bitch about exclusive content either because there is no F*CKING point to bitching about it. If you don't like MS getting content first, don't buy the associated game or buy the game on that console. But you won't do that because you are a f*cking fanboy. Sony or nothing in your books. You can't see that your limited vision and support of one company is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. You hurt yourself and as a result you continue to drive the need for exclusive content to sell both platforms.

 

Hasn't anyone realized this? Exclusive content only exists to drive fanboys into frenzies. It gives them something to say to the other side 'Nanananana, we got this ( insert exclusive character, mission, map, play mode ) and you don't.' That hurts all of us. We should all stand together as gamers and say

 

'No, no more exclusive sh*t for one console or one store. No more f*cking On Disk Same Day DLC. No more of this sh*t treatment by you, the industry. We make you who you are. We are the gamers of the world. We game on PCs, Xboxes, Playstations and we don't want any platform to be shafted because you want to make more money on the same $60 game.'

 

We need to drop this petty bullsh*t about which console is better. Yet, you won't you will continue your stupid, tireless, and boring triade against a company you think owes you something, even though you don't F*CKING SUPPORT THEM!

Edited March 12, 2012 by Iminicus

[ryuclan]

One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD.

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

Did i say i was a fanboy? No so screw off. DLC should be released on all the systems the game is on. Not really fair, say example:

 

Bob buys GTA IV on 360 for 59.99. He gets DLC.

Tuna buys GTA IV on PS3 for 59.99. He dont get DLC.

 

They both pay the devs for there game, the same price. They need to be treated fair.

Anybody got a short spiel on economics?

[G The Generous]

I love DLC, it's a good thing that add more contents to the game. but nowadays, many people seem like to cut it from the game and release it later

[Iminicus]

One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD.

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

Did i say i was a fanboy? No so screw off. DLC should be released on all the systems the game is on. Not really fair, say example:

 

Bob buys GTA IV on 360 for 59.99. He gets DLC.

Tuna buys GTA IV on PS3 for 59.99. He dont get DLC.

 

They both pay the devs for there game, the same price. They need to be treated fair.

Anybody got a short spiel on economics?

Or how about the fact, life isn't fair and isn't suppose to be fair. Otherwise, where the f*ck is my gold plated mansion? UH, WHERE IS IT?

[ccrogers15]

 

One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD.

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

Did i say i was a fanboy? No so screw off. DLC should be released on all the systems the game is on. Not really fair, say example:

 

Bob buys GTA IV on 360 for 59.99. He gets DLC.

Tuna buys GTA IV on PS3 for 59.99. He dont get DLC.

 

They both pay the devs for there game, the same price. They need to be treated fair.

Anybody got a short spiel on economics?

Or how about the fact, life isn't fair and isn't suppose to be fair. Otherwise, where the f*ck is my gold plated mansion? UH, WHERE IS IT?

Did you work for that gold plated mansion? We pay the SAME price for our game as other system players and deserve the same stuff and not need to feel limited on our games.

[Iminicus]

One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD.

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

Did i say i was a fanboy? No so screw off. DLC should be released on all the systems the game is on. Not really fair, say example:

 

Bob buys GTA IV on 360 for 59.99. He gets DLC.

Tuna buys GTA IV on PS3 for 59.99. He dont get DLC.

 

They both pay the devs for there game, the same price. They need to be treated fair.

Anybody got a short spiel on economics?

Or how about the fact, life isn't fair and isn't suppose to be fair. Otherwise, where the f*ck is my gold plated mansion? UH, WHERE IS IT?

Did you work for that gold plated mansion? We pay the SAME price for our game as other system players and deserve the same stuff and not need to feel limited on our games.

You are missing my f*cking point.

 

My point:

 

- Life = Not fair

- MS paid Rockstar for exclusive rights

- Sony paid Rockstar for exclusive rights

- Best Buy buys exclusive rights

- Gamespot buys exclusive rights

- Amazon buys exclusive rights

 

You want something ( exclusive DLC ), which was brought and paid for ( the dev costs where covered by MS when they brought the rights to the DLC ) on a console that MS doesn't support. You eventually got that DLC a year after MS had it. Yet, you are still f*cking whinging. Yet, Sony still has exclusive rights to GTA: Vice City Stories and Liberty City Stories.

 

The company you should direct your anger towards is Rockstar not Microsoft. Rockstar could have said 'No, we will cover the costs and launch the DLC on both consoles at the same time,' Instead, they allowed MS to buy the exclusive content for a limited time.

 

Now, that mansion thing was a f*cking joke. It was an nonsequitor in this stupidness that is you. You are arguing that life should be fair and I'm saying if that was true, we should all have gold plated mansions and Bentleys with Super Model wives. Yet, life isn't fair, so even though you paid $60 for GTA IV, the Xbox got the content first, but not for free. It did cost 1600 MS points per episode. Which is about $30 for both episodes.

 

Wait, you did know about that, right? The content was brought by MS from Rockstar. MS then charged Xbox users for it. It wasn't given away free.

 

So, really the only thing you are whining about is you couldn't spend more money on a game first? Really? You are upset that you were delayed from spending money? Well, that is f*cking stupid. Like, stupider than everything. Plus, when it was released for PS3 it came in several options the Xbox didn't get. You could download them via PSN either separately or as a bundle. I do believe the bundle cost less than buying them separately. Or you could buy them on a disc. Now compare that with the Xbox release. Via Xbox Live for 1600 MS points was LaTD then TBoGT for 1600 MS Points. Then when the PS3 version dropped there was price reductions on LaTD but TBoGT is still 1600 or buy it on the disc. So, really, if anyone should be pissed is the people who paid full price for both episodes before they dropped on PS3 at a discount.

 

Now, will you direct your anger at Sony for its exclusives? No, you won't. So, you are still a f*cking fanboy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note: Sorry posts are disjointed and ramble.

[darthYENIK]

 

Did you work for that gold plated mansion? We pay the SAME price for our game as other system players and deserve the same stuff and not need to feel limited on our games.

You my friend are delusional.

 

You bought a game for the same price, but you need to understand that it does not mean you deserve anything other than what is advertised on the box. If you want that DLC on that other version of the game you're gonna have to buy that. If it's on another console, you're gonna have to buy that too. It's not about fair or unfair, how much the game is and how someone else with another version of the game on a console you don't own gets what THEY paid for. It's about you not realizing that you are getting exactly what YOU paid for.

Edited March 12, 2012 by darthYENIK

[Iminicus]

Did you work for that gold plated mansion? We pay the SAME price for our game as other system players and deserve the same stuff and not need to feel limited on our games.

You my friend are delusional.

 

You bought a game for the same price, but you need to understand that it does not mean you deserve anything other than what is advertised on the box. If you want that DLC on that other version of the game you're gonna have to buy that. If it's on another console, you're gonna have to buy that too. It's not about fair or unfair, how much the game is and how someone else with another version of the game on a console you don't own gets what THEY paid for. It's about you not realizing that you are getting exactly what YOU paid for.

He can't grasp that.

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

All DLC is on disk

Now I don't think thats true. My game production knowledge isn't great but I'm 99.9% sure that the majority of DLC isn't on disc at the time of release *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_(...obot_Revolution *cough*

 

I don't have a problem with DLC in general or even Day 1 DLC, if you want to pay for it than fine, do whatever you want with your money. DLC that is already on the disc? I have a problem with that, it means that the dlc was already complete before the game went gold and they started to print copies. I also don't like DLC that feels like they ripped it out of main game before launch. This just gets me angry, From Ashes seems to be that kind of DLC, we already knew that a prothean was going to be in the game. But they decide to cut it out and sell it to us for 10 bucks.

 

I wish the majority of DLC would be done like Episodes from Liberty City or the Fallout 3/New Vegas DLCs, that feel like proper expansions, that are created and finished after the main game was released.

Agree 100%on everything you said here, episodes from liberty city was worthwhile. Doc, but things that have been pulled out of game just before launch that should be in game is bullsh*t, its like making cars undriveable in gta until you pay to unlock them.

There is only one way to end this, and it is to not buy the game or dlc, that is why I will not be buying saint's row 3 , we need to prove that it is actually not more profitable to sell petty DLC like they are now, and more people will initially buy the game if this is the case.

Edited March 12, 2012 by finn4life

[ccrogers15]

Did you work for that gold plated mansion? We pay the SAME price for our game as other system players and deserve the same stuff and not need to feel limited on our games.

You my friend are delusional.

 

You bought a game for the same price, but you need to understand that it does not mean you deserve anything other than what is advertised on the box. If you want that DLC on that other version of the game you're gonna have to buy that. If it's on another console, you're gonna have to buy that too. It's not about fair or unfair, how much the game is and how someone else with another version of the game on a console you don't own gets what THEY paid for. It's about you not realizing that you are getting exactly what YOU paid for.

He can't grasp that.

Blah. Just shut up already.

[Iminicus]

Blah. Just shut up already.

Can't you counter? Is that all you have?

 

On topic: I like DLC, it reminds me of the Expansion Packs from the '90's but with less hassle ie go to store. Of course, Expansion Packs normally expanded the game and weren't just gun skins ( Gears ), horse armour ( Oblivion ) or sh*t already on the disc ( many games, too many to list ).

 

As there are with most things, some companies f*ck it up and others do it better than we can imagine. Rockstar with the Episodes, Bethesda with Fallout 3, Turn 10 with Forza 3 and many others.

[kudoboi]

oh boy another DLC rage thread... if you dont want DLC, then just dont f*cking buy it.. dont bitch about it

[Jay]

oh boy another DLC rage thread... if you dont want DLC, then just dont f*cking buy it.. dont bitch about it

Perfectly fine to bitch about those bitching, though.

 

And I'm well aware of the hypocrisy here.

[OysterBarron]

EVERY

ONE

OF

MY

POSTS

I can't even BEGIN to dissect any specific post, because I know that you're so deluded in your fanboyism that you're far past the point of reasoning with logically, because EVERYTHING will be justified in one way or another. Whether its saying that, to take your logic and apply it to the real world, fighting slavery or rape is wrong because ''hey, quit whinning its a reality'', or that you are willing to practically throw money at a companies door, on your hand and knees, for another game that they will only make depending on how many people like you there are (suckers). The sad thing is, the quality deteriorates due to practices like this, because the bottom line becomes important, not the actual game. In a very real sense, you're harming video games instead of helping them by giving lagre corporations more money. Congrats.

 

I'm honestly disgusted that someone can become so deluded as to willingly give in to those causing harm to him and even take their side. It's Stockholm syndrome.

 

This just in:Biodrones suffer from Stockholm syndrome. There's no point in arguing with you; its like arguing with a racist. There's just no hope for you anymore, but thankfully people like you are laughing stocks, so it evens itself out. You may refuse to believe this, and you will. But thankfully, numbers are on my side.

 

 

Honestly, would the reaction have been any different if it WASN'T on the disc?

 

Yes, it very well would have, since this follows on the heels of bad business practices that have culminated to this point.

 

 

And why is everyone bitching about one model? Bioware provided hundreds of characters along with the amazing storyline and the multiplayer experience.

 

That's just it, fans of the first game absolutely loathe how Bioware dropped in quality after EA bought them out. It's precisely what you just said that incites hatred from fans. And people are NOT bitching about one model. There's a lot more to the story

 

a lot more.

 

 

It wouldn't make much sense to exploit sh*tty unpopular games, I guess.

 

The funny thing is, a lot of unpopular games are good precisely because the developer gives a sh*t and develops a loyal following.

 

 

I reckon soon every game will have that annoying online pass which stops you taking a game round a friend's house and showing them the multiplayer.

 

Well, they're already not allowing you to play used games in the next Microsoft console (or so I hear). The justification being that it harms multi million dollar publishers. Hell, looking at gameplay footage or people doing a full play through also harms publishers, because, hey, you're doing something involving the game and not giving them money.

 

f*ck, looking up wikipedia plot synopsis does this as well. Better find a way to make money off of that!

 

I wish Bioware would innovate once again and charge me money to look at gameplay! Such a generous company to allow us to see trailers free of charge.

If by delusion you mean how games companys are having to work these days then yes im completly deluded! i cant belevie that were even having this conversation when rockstar themselves were the first company to go into depth about rising costs of development and the need for Dlc to ensure that the companys themselves are able to keep producing these games that cost multiple of millions to create! in the eyes of most fans mass effect has always been the franchise that they have never minded paying out for!

 

when san andreas was found to have locked content on the disk people didnt start complaining that there wernt able to access it. going by the therioes posted here you have a right to access it of witch rockstar decided it wanted to lock the content away so you couldnt without the illicit use of hacks its immpossible to access!

 

you keep repeating that the dlc is on disk and it was just a patch that changes things around wheres your proof i have had 2 people confirm to me that it is only the character that is avaliable to you without the eddition of a hacked version of the dlc. and even if the patch does just change files its still 100% theasable that it uses models allready in the game within the dlc it doesnt mean the whole dlc is in the game. what about the new outfits gun and cinematics? when i see someone buy a legit copy of the game and unlock the hole dlc package without any extra download then i will hold up my hands and say yes guys i was completly wrong! until that time comes for the moment you are the ones deluding yourselfs that bioware has ripped you off!

[Sunrise Driver]

 

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

LOLWAT? How about constant news "Company X signed a dead with M$ to bring DLC first on X360"? For sure they the get some money for it otherwise they'd be losing money from decisions like that.

Fallout and TES have higher install base on PC, not X360, so why aren't Bethesda testing Fallout NV and Skyrim DLCs on PC first?

 

"Test DLC" - really? Devs mostly cut content and dump onto Live/PSN without any testing.

 

 

I reckon soon every game will have that annoying online pass which stops you taking a game round a friend's house and showing them the multiplayer.

That won't stop you from inviting a friend to your house and showing MP on your console. Companies need special glasses so only those who wears them can see image on display. And don't forget about fingerprint check on controller.

Edited March 12, 2012 by Street Mix

[Iminicus]

MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first.

 

Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else.

LOLWAT? How about constant news "Company X signed a dead with M$ to bring DLC first on X360"?

Fallout and TES have higher install base on PC, not X360, so why aren't Bethesda testing Fallout NV and Skyrim DLCs on PC first?

 

 

That doesn't equal bribery. It is the companies RIGHT to sell the content to who they want. You also hear of Company X signs deal with Sony for PS3 exclusivity, yet, no one bitches. As such, your fanboyism is showing.

[Loch Dawg]

DLC is great, when a producer finishes a game they still have a few months before its released so why should they just sit around with their dicks in their hands watching Redtube all day? I'd rather day 1 DLC then no DLC at all. Suck it up sweetheart, welcome to the world of business.

[Sunrise Driver]

 

That doesn't equal bribery.

How do you know M$ aren't coming to devs first?

 

It is the companies RIGHT to sell the content to who they want.

Yes, but saying that they're doing this for free is bulls**t.

 

And don't start fanboyism talk here cause you're clearly biased.

 

 

[Pat]

 

when san andreas was found to have locked content on the disk people didnt start complaining that there wernt able to access it. going by the therioes posted here you have a right to access it of witch rockstar decided it wanted to lock the content away so you couldnt  without the illicit use of hacks its immpossible to access!

Rockstar didn't later offer that locked content as $10 downloadable content, however, so that example is not even close to comparable to what BioWare did with the Prothean squadmate.

Edited March 12, 2012 by Pat

[OysterBarron]

Is that really all you have to add! what about ky upteen other valid points!

 

my main point being that just because content is on the disk doesnt mean you have the right to access it. and yeah i can completly see rockstar relaesing a sex addon for a tenner!

Edited March 12, 2012 by oysterbarron

[Andrew]

Quite frankly who gives a flying sh*t what studios / publishers are doing, it's their game at the end of the day, and the games industry is just another business looking to make more money, and we as consumers are wanting more but we don't want to pay more, hence publishers and studios are trying to find more ways of making money. If that means shipping a few models on the disk to use in DLC, then so be it.

 

I couldn't really care less that my ME3 disk contains a character I have to pay to unlock, it happens in all walks of life. Look at cars for example, there is some features that my car can get access to via unlocking them in the cars computer, which the dealer ship will charge me an arm and a leg for, yet the higher spec models have these done by default.

 

The customer is always right crap is dead and gone, they provide a service that they know you want and need, and they can do what the hell they want because at the end of the day you'll still buy / use them.

 

Get used to being shafted in everything you buy, welcome to real life.

[Pat]

 

my main point being that just because content is on the disk doesnt mean you have the right to access it

But they're two different cases - Rockstar prohibited access from the content because it was extremely controversial and they would not have been able to publish the game with a Mature rating if they had included it. BioWare prohibited access so they could charge extra to make the content available to the players. They are two entirely different scenarios, and if you can't understand that, I don't think you're going to understand anything else I have to say.

 

 

and yeah i can completly see rockstar relaesing a sex addon for a tenner!

You're the one who made the comparison, so your sarcasm is only targeting your own argument.

 

 

The customer is always right crap is dead and gone

Absolutely, incomprehensibly wrong. The day that the sentiment "the customer is always right" becomes false is the day that corporations rule our lives and we are forced to do whatever they tell us to do - kind of like a famous novel by George Orwell, perhaps you're familiar with it, it goes by the name "1984."

 

 

they provide a service that they know you want and need, and they can do what the hell they want because at the end of the day you'll still buy / use them

Except this is not true. If a product is not deemed satisfactory by the consumers, they will not buy it. That is why North American auto manufactures such as Ford and Chevrolet recently went bankrupt, and were later bailed out by the United States government. One major difference, however, is that if BioWare ever goes bankrupt (and don't doubt that it can - plenty of other studios have perished under EA management), no one will be bailing them out.

 

Your attitude toward this whole situation is disappointingly apathetic and cynical. It's like you believe what they're doing is wrong, but you just don't care. You'd rather just sit there and take it.

[Creed Bratton]

1. Activision with COD is unfair. $15 for 5 maps? Wow.

IMO it's a reasonable price. You have no idea of how much effort it takes to do this maps nowadays.

None. It takes them less than a year to make a full game with SP and MP that costs $60. They have tools for making the game in such a short period of time. They could easily release those tools and let PC gamers make their own maps if they weren't so f*ckin' greedy.

[OysterBarron]

my main point being that just because content is on the disk doesnt mean you have the right to access it

But they're two different cases - Rockstar prohibited access from the content because it was extremely controversial and they would not have been able to publish the game with a Mature rating if they had included it. BioWare prohibited access so they could charge extra to make the content available to the players. They are two entirely different scenarios, and if you can't understand that, I don't think you're going to understand anything else I have to say.

 

 

and yeah i can completly see rockstar relaesing a sex addon for a tenner!

You're the one who made the comparison, so your sarcasm is only targeting your own argument.

 

 

The customer is always right crap is dead and gone

Absolutely, incomprehensibly wrong. The day that the sentiment "the customer is always right" becomes false is the day that corporations rule our lives and we are forced to do whatever they tell us to do - kind of like a famous novel by George Orwell, perhaps you're familiar with it, it goes by the name "1984."

 

 

they provide a service that they know you want and need, and they can do what the hell they want because at the end of the day you'll still buy / use them

Except this is not true. If a product is not deemed satisfactory by the consumers, they will not buy it. That is why North American auto manufactures such as Ford and Chevrolet recently went bankrupt, and were later bailed out by the United States government. One major difference, however, is that if BioWare ever goes bankrupt (and don't doubt that it can - plenty of other studios have perished under EA management), no one will be bailing them out.

 

Your attitude toward this whole situation is disappointingly apathetic and cynical. It's like you believe what they're doing is wrong, but you just don't care. You'd rather just sit there and take it.

Your still missing my bloody point!

 

at the end of the day this coming from someone who has paid for the dlc!

 

wether it turn out that the dlc is on the disk or not one things for sure im happy with my purchase! as far as i can tell the main people with the problem is people that have not paid out for the dlc. and are acting like kevin from kevin and perry ITS SO UNFAIR. add ontop of the fact that anyone changing game files without Biowares or EA's approval has no rights anymore so from a legal standpoint theres nothing you can do unless like you say you dont buy the games anymore in witch case you know where to go!

 

its simple

[Pat]

wether it turn out that the dlc is on the disk or not one things for sure im happy with my purchase!

Irrelevant. We are not discussing whether or not you are satisfied with your purchase, we are discussing why we believe it to be bad business practice. Arguing that we cannot criticize BioWare for selling on-disc content for added charge because we personally have not paid for it is asinine. Please stop being so juvenile and look at this from a business and economics standpoint, not a BioWare fanboy standpoint.

[Andrew]

 

Absolutely, incomprehensibly wrong. The day that the sentiment "the customer is always right" becomes false is the day that corporations rule our lives and we are forced to do whatever they tell us to do - kind of like a famous novel by George Orwell, perhaps you're familiar with it, it goes by the name "1984."

 

 

Well it's already dead and gone by my books anyway.

 

 

Except this is not true. If a product is not deemed satisfactory by the consumers, they will not buy it. That is why North American auto manufactures such as Ford and Chevrolet recently went bankrupt, and were later bailed out by the United States government. One major difference, however, is that if BioWare ever goes bankrupt (and don't doubt that it can - plenty of other studios have perished under EA management), no one will be bailing them out.

 

 

You really think that they want bankrupt because the products where not deemed satisfactory? Christ, they went bankrupt because people are loosing their jobs left, right and center and cannot afford to buy new vehicles, it's that choice between that new car or putting food on the table.

 

 

Your attitude toward this whole situation is disappointingly apathetic and cynical. It's like you believe what they're doing is wrong, but you just don't care. You'd rather just sit there and take it.

 

 

Tell me then, what are you going to do about it? I know it's wrong, but quite frankly I don't really give a sh*t. I've got more problems to worry about than the fact there's content on my game that I must pay to unlock.

[OysterBarron]

Right now im going to explain it at a business standpoint in a way you understand let me just find some pictures . . . whats a worse business practice? i have paid and 100000 other people have paid an extra 20 pound to license and play this content that was not advertised as included within the game. why should people who have paid nothing for this content be entitled to it for free and you find it aceptable that me and a 100000's of other fans loose out on our 20 pounds now that would be worse business practice for sure!