Inky Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 What he's saying Oyster is that with the character already being included on the disk, the disk that he's already paid for, why should he have to pay an additional fee in order to unlock said character? Even if the DLC comes with a mission pack and whatever extra, it's still required before you can unlock the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 i hear what he's saying but the games industry has operated like this for years! and no amount of butt hurt is going to change this fact you either accept it or cry about it, or you can do what i did and pay the extra and completly avoid this headache your having at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinski Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 i hear what he's saying but the games industry has operated like this for years! and no amount of butt hurt is going to change this fact you either accept it or cry about it, or you can do what i did and pay the extra and completly avoid this headache your having at the moment! Yeah, just like corrupt police. They aren't a problem, you just pay them money and avoid the headache! No point making a fuss about that at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertical limit Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I hate exclusive DLC. Pisses me of. Remember the one for Mafia 2 it was there only for the PS3. I wish of more quality dlc such as tbogt and tlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendly luggage Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Game companies and publishers have just gotten too greedy. I remember buying DiRT3 and I was baffled as a lot of cars shown in the trailer (proper gameplay) were not in the game. One week later dlc... They had taken them out and then sold them as dlc just for that bit of extra cash. It's f*cking disgusting. Well I didn't keep DiRT3 for long and it's a shame that they've turned a rally game in some American offroad piece of turd. DiRT2 and before that was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 None of those cars in Test Drive: Unlimited were included on the disc, and I consider six years to be a small time frame when speaking in terms of business practices. Besides, you still have not explained why I should be expected to pay extra for content that is included on the disc; you just keep spouting this nonsense about how companies have "always been doing this." How does that make it acceptable? How is that attitude in itself acceptable? If you had been born in the nineteenth century, would you have argued for slavery because it had always been accepted? If you were alive for the Civil Rights movement, would you argue against it because "it's always been like this?" It was a sh*tty move from BioWare and I want to see you post a legitimate defense for it. So far, all I've seen you say is "I know I'm getting f*cked in the ass, but I'm okay with it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 This practice is in no way illegal, in a business standpoint it works the company's make a f*ckton of money, if this ensures i get a mass effect 4 then i will quite happily keep handing money out of my wallet to them. The only person with the problem is the people with the problem in the first place. The porches in test drive unlimited or RUF's were seen in the back of showrooms even though they were not included in the retail game! and were only accessible via DLC purchase! and your telling me they can fit car model textures including interior into a 125k file i don't think so! You don't own any content within the game you pay to play the content! don't you read those terms of service agreements, not to mention everything your disscusing is in violation of these terms of service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendly luggage Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Anyway there're 3 DLCs for MP3 so far and one of them is a pure cheating: Silent Killer Multiplayer Loadout Pack the Slippery Character Burst to quickly escape a deadly firefight the Listening Device Item that amplifies player hearing so you can hear enemies approaching you from a greater distance I have a bad feeling for GTA V... Amazon preorder bonus: Prolaps clothes pack GameStop exclusive: Special vehicle for online Sultan RS Evo edition Please Rockstar just abolish this day 1 dlc sh*t, you're better than this. Just shove it ALL on the disc and then AFTER the release, start to make proper dlc then like the dlc you did for GTA IV. @oysterbarron You don't get it do you? You pay for a game on a disc, therefore you should have access to all the content on that disc. It offends me that companies can charge you for dlc that is just an unlock code. Edited March 11, 2012 by illegal_luggage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 This practice is in no way illegal Nobody is arguing that it's illegal. For f*ck's sake, stop letting your love of BioWare cloud your judgment. You don't own any content within the game you pay to play the content! Yes, and the Prothean character was included as content on the disc, so using your logic, I paid to play with a Prothean squad mate. However, I cannot play with him unless I buy the DLC. You still have not given me a valid reason why. Honestly, at this point, I'm just waiting for you to pull out the "gamer entitlement" card. Otherwise known as the worst argument ever to exist in the world of business ethics, because it is directly contrary to the ideal that the customer is always right, which will always be true of any business model. EA, however, disagrees with this - they feel their customers are "entitled," they feel they can censor any negative feelings towards them, and they feel they have the right to charge extra for content that exists on the disc and was removed purely to make an extra profit. The fact that you support these actions has made me lose a lot of respect for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcis_speed6 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 @oysterbarronYou don't get it do you? You pay for a game on a disc, therefore you should have access to all the content on that disc. It offends me that companies can charge you for dlc that is just an unlock code. Every character introduced in the Mass Effect series has a story behind, I wouldn't want an alien guy in my team without knowing something about him, and the dialog choices/weapons/mission are NOT on the disc, checked in the pc version. And why is everyone bitching about one model? Bioware provided hundreds of characters along with the amazing storyline and the multiplayer experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 They license what they want you to access! They didn't want you to access the prothean character without this extra content that they didn't have time to code before the deadline. without the mission to go with the character then i imagine it would just be an empty shell compared to the other characters you meet throughout the game hence another team took over creating the mission for the game and it had to be held back because once a game is in certification it cannot be added to. It's a pretty simple concept of witch im trying to explain! im not letting my love for bioware cloud my judgment as dragon age in my eyes is a piece of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 So what's this thread/debate suppose to about? On DLCs in general or just the On-Disc DLC specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycek Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I believe this debate is regarding badly made/poor/useless DLC, hence the name of the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZDANZ96 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Try just the "on-topic" next time. Edited March 15, 2012 by *MURDOC* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twang. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 So many games do DLC right. Borderlands, Fallout, Rock Band. To dismiss the whole thing because some dickholes occasionally try to f*ck everyone over on every couple of blockbuster games is a bit drastic. That's doing DLC wrong, I agree, and a lot of games do it bad (with completely lackluster offerings), but everything is about taking the bad with the good. Admittedly, I don't play Mass Effect, so it's easy for me to completely ignore this whole ordeal. I also will say that there was no chance in hell that, with the advent of DLC, it would ever not go unexploited. Sucks it has to happen to good games like Mass Effect, though. It wouldn't make much sense to exploit sh*tty unpopular games, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) I hate DLC for lots of reasons: 1. Activision with COD is unfair. $15 for 5 maps? Wow. 2. Exclusive DLC is not fair (ala Resident evil operation raccoon city, the crapbox has nemesis mode free and exclusive) 3. Day 1 DLC (Some games) 4. Pre order Only DLC. (ala Saints Row The Turd with Genki pack.) ALSO, recently some new trend is to screw over there fans and have all the DLC already on the disk. DISK LOCKED CONTENT instead of DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. Saints Row The Turd, has a total of 17 "DLC". It was discovered when a PC user of the game was able to access it all with a hack. Its already all there, and he has it all. Very bad move. Do they expect me to buy Saints Row 4 after this? Nope. Not happening. I loved SR1 and SR2, they killed themselves with SR3. ONLY critics liked it. General reception from fans were mixed or negative. Its like they made it for non SR fans, and said fu*k you to the long time fans, since the game was NOTHING like it was before. Edited March 11, 2012 by ccrogers15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OchyGTA Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I hate DLC for lots of reasons: 1. Activision with COD is unfair. $15 for 5 maps? Wow. 2. Exclusive DLC is not fair (ala Resident evil operation raccoon city, the crapbox has nemesis mode free and exclusive) 3. Day 1 DLC (Some games) 4. Pre order Only DLC. (ala Saints Row The Turd with Genki pack.) ALSO, recently some new trend is to screw over there fans and have all the DLC already on the disk. DISK LOCKED CONTENT instead of DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. You remind me of Zee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 They didn't want you to access the prothean character without this extra content that they didn't have time to code before the deadline. So then they sold me an incomplete game and are charging me extra for the complete game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 They didn't want you to access the prothean character without this extra content that they didn't have time to code before the deadline. So then they sold me an incomplete game and are charging me extra for the complete game. Saints Row 3 is the same way. All DLC is on disk. Same is happening with Segas new BINARY DOMAIN. The dlc was discovered on the disk AND they admitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendly luggage Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 The only dlc I've bought and have not regretted buying after were the MW2 maps as I had hours of fun on them with my mates online and yeah they were overpriced but they were good maps. Not like the maps in Black Ops or MW3. Other good dlc was The Shivering Isles for Oblivion and the dlc for GTA IV was worth it. I reckon soon every game will have that annoying online pass which stops you taking a game round a friend's house and showing them the multiplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OchyGTA Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 All DLC is on disk Now I don't think thats true. My game production knowledge isn't great but I'm 99.9% sure that the majority of DLC isn't on disc at the time of release *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_(...obot_Revolution *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 All DLC is on disk Now I don't think thats true. My game production knowledge isn't great but I'm 99.9% sure that the majority of DLC isn't on disc at the time of release *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_(...obot_Revolution *cough* Did you read what came before that? He was talking about Saints Row 3, which has all of the dlc already on the disc. Most DLC isn't on the disc....yet. I don't have a problem with DLC in general or even Day 1 DLC, if you want to pay for it than fine, do whatever you want with your money. DLC that is already on the disc? I have a problem with that, it means that the dlc was already complete before the game went gold and they started to print copies. I also don't like DLC that feels like they ripped it out of main game before launch. This just gets me angry, From Ashes seems to be that kind of DLC, we already knew that a prothean was going to be in the game. But they decide to cut it out and sell it to us for 10 bucks. I wish the majority of DLC would be done like Episodes from Liberty City or the Fallout 3/New Vegas DLCs, that feel like proper expansions, that are created and finished after the main game was released. Formerly known as The General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OchyGTA Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Ahhh, I misread. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 As long as there's an offline Game of the Year Edition with DLC, what's the problem?! Well, far as I can tell, it's that DLC is not all equal, but it's worth the effort since the original game is embellished, that's the intent Sam Houser was hoping for ... If you don't remember this discussion, you're new to the GTA game, I suspect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coin-god Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 1. Activision with COD is unfair. $15 for 5 maps? Wow. IMO it's a reasonable price. You have no idea of how much effort it takes to do this maps nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) All DLC is on disk Now I don't think thats true. My game production knowledge isn't great but I'm 99.9% sure that the majority of DLC isn't on disc at the time of release *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_(...obot_Revolution *cough* http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/954854-/61238783 Proof^ There use to be a video too. Also, that was posted BEFORE those DLC were announced. More proof there. Btw, want more proof? Check the file sizes of the "DLC" and with a PC copy, check the "DLC" you download. Guess what? Its just a text file with lines of code to "activate" the DLC. Those large 200MB patches they keep giving, they SAY its for DLC, NO, it is NOT. Its just redone files to make it seem like it. Get a pc copy and disect the patch. Its all fake. Edited March 12, 2012 by ccrogers15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I hope "Pat" is not referring to GTA, but I suspect the OP means GTA as well as any game, this idea that DLC is cheating the "Early Adopter" but face it, all early adopters get burned, people, that's life, get used to it, you buy early, you'll wish you hadn't sooner or later! hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iminicus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 One other thing about DLC i hate. How is it... that Xbox 360 gets DLC first? Its true. Microsoft bribes game devs to do so. First they gets the GTA episodes first, then fallout 3 DLC first, they get exclusive DLC... Yea, im sure its the same with PS3, BUT most major games get DLC on Xbox first, same as COD. MS isn't bribing the devs. The devs are using the HIGHER install base of the Xbox to test the DLC. Since Xbox has more consoles and online players vs PS3/PC, it is only logical you release it for the biggest market first. Now, please take your stupid f*cking fanboyism somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.A.B. Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) EVERYONE OF MY POSTS I can't even BEGIN to dissect any specific post, because I know that you're so deluded in your fanboyism that you're far past the point of reasoning with logically, because EVERYTHING will be justified in one way or another. Whether its saying that, to take your logic and apply it to the real world, fighting slavery or rape is wrong because ''hey, quit whinning its a reality'', or that you are willing to practically throw money at a companies door, on your hand and knees, for another game that they will only make depending on how many people like you there are (suckers). The sad thing is, the quality deteriorates due to practices like this, because the bottom line becomes important, not the actual game. In a very real sense, you're harming video games instead of helping them by giving lagre corporations more money. Congrats. I'm honestly disgusted that someone can become so deluded as to willingly give in to those causing harm to him and even take their side. It's Stockholm syndrome. This just in:Biodrones suffer from Stockholm syndrome. There's no point in arguing with you; its like arguing with a racist. There's just no hope for you anymore, but thankfully people like you are laughing stocks, so it evens itself out. You may refuse to believe this, and you will. But thankfully, numbers are on my side. Honestly, would the reaction have been any different if it WASN'T on the disc? Yes, it very well would have, since this follows on the heels of bad business practices that have culminated to this point. And why is everyone bitching about one model? Bioware provided hundreds of characters along with the amazing storyline and the multiplayer experience. That's just it, fans of the first game absolutely loathe how Bioware dropped in quality after EA bought them out. It's precisely what you just said that incites hatred from fans. And people are NOT bitching about one model. There's a lot more to the story a lot more. It wouldn't make much sense to exploit sh*tty unpopular games, I guess. The funny thing is, a lot of unpopular games are good precisely because the developer gives a sh*t and develops a loyal following. I reckon soon every game will have that annoying online pass which stops you taking a game round a friend's house and showing them the multiplayer. Well, they're already not allowing you to play used games in the next Microsoft console (or so I hear). The justification being that it harms multi million dollar publishers. Hell, looking at gameplay footage or people doing a full play through also harms publishers, because, hey, you're doing something involving the game and not giving them money. f*ck, looking up wikipedia plot synopsis does this as well. Better find a way to make money off of that! I wish Bioware would innovate once again and charge me money to look at gameplay! Such a generous company to allow us to see trailers free of charge. Edited March 12, 2012 by E.A.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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