E.A.B. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 So I see that Civilization V is on sale on Steam right now, and that got me excited. 75% off? I'm there. Then I see this: initial reaction:Eh, okay, whatever, maybe the GOTY edition has it all anyway Oh, but it doesn't. It has most of that, except the last two, which is okay because you can buy them in a pack for 2 bucks. Fine, alrighty then. Then I see that a PROPER expansion pack is being released later in the year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_V:_Gods_%26_Kings And then I realize that they could've placed all of those other Civ's in a pack instead of charging me 5 bucks for this: And part of me suspects that all of these civs where withheld from the game and released later on to nickel and dime the customer. There's also this recent mass effect fiasco: Bioware/EA has a recent policy of not allowing criticism, so the above video might not be viewable in a bit. Capcom does this as well, making you pay to unlock sh*t already on the disc. But back to Civ V:I was gonna buy it, but then I remembered what stopped me from buying it during the christmas sale. My uncertainty. I'll just pirate the god damn thing until it gets a second GOTY edition. At least then I'll feel safer. I'll do the same for the PC release of Street Fighter X Tekken. Capcom did that retarded sh*t with Marvel Vs Capcom 3. LOL LETS RELEASE ULTIMATE 6 MONTHS (I'm not exaggerating here) AFTER THAT; THANKS FOR PAYING FULL PRICE FOR BETA. In short; f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck DLC. VERY few companies do it right. Valve does it right. I can even forgive Borderlands, since the DLC was fully fledged content. Bioshock was alright, even though the second game had terrible PC support. But f*ck f*ck f*ck msot companies that try it. Rage/Venting general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 This probably belongs in the new Gaming General thread, but DLC as a business method is not to blame - it's developers and publishers that are. Compare what EA has done to, say, what Bethesda did in the past with Oblivion. I'm referring, of course, to the horse armor scandal; they learned from their mistake, and now they release DLC for their games that is actually worth paying for. The same is true of Obsidian, who released four great content packs for New Vegas that expanded upon the game world, added numerous quests, items and characters, and each were priced at the same price the Prothean DLC was for Mass Effect 3. There's also Grand Theft Auto IV, but there's no point delving that far in, because I'll just be saying what everyone else is already thinking. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that EA f*cked up, and Bethesda f*cked up. What's the difference? One learned from their mistake and took responsibility for it; the other blames the customers, calling them "entitled," and acts as though they've done nothing wrong. If you mentioned this to someone completely unaware of the situation, it would take them all of five seconds to figure out which one is so controversial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Does this give you the from ashes mission though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.A.B. Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 This probably belongs in the new Gaming General thread I really don't wanna go off topic, but it's a little ridiculous to expect every thread that isn't about a specific game to go into a gigantic general that, by its very nature, doesn't have prolonged discussion on a specific topic I think a general is a rather silly idea, and there are chatrooms and other boards for that Not trying to start a discussion here, just voicing opinion Does this give you the from ashes mission though? He's not a busy Hollywood celebrity, I'd shoot him a PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Does this give you the from ashes mission though? Irrelevant. EA's official statement was that the Prothean squadmate - not the mission, the squadmate itself - was developed by a separate team after the game went gold. The fact that he remains on the disc means that statement was an absolute lie. Edit: it's also worth mentioning that any thread including the Forbes article or video itself posted on the EA/BioWare forums is being deleted on sight right now. Edited March 11, 2012 by Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Because i believe its titled as From ashes DLC witch gives you the mission that unlocks the prothean! If infact the mission witch is the real meat of the DLC is included on the core disk then i would like a link of where to make a formal complaint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Because i believe its titled as From ashes DLC witch gives you the mission that unlocks the prothean! Which means even if they were telling the truth, you would be required to pay extra to unlock on-disc content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcis_speed6 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 In short; f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck DLC. VERY few companies do it right. Valve does it right. I can even forgive Borderlands, since the DLC was fully fledged content. Bioshock was alright, even though the second game had terrible PC support. But f*ck f*ck f*ck msot companies that try it. Agree with you, saints row the third also did this mistake, by releasing allots of dlc's which most of them are already on the cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 DLC should not even be mentioned before release and certainly none should come out sooner than a month after the initial game's release. For example we don't really know anything about Skyrim's DLC apart from they're working on it and it's been 3 months since the game was released. We can also be assured that none of that DLC is already on the disc. I think DLC done right is probably the best thing to happen to games in recent years (Rockstar's, Bethesda's, Borderlands etc). But DLC done wrong and things like online passes are the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I truly believe that bioware wouldn't rip us off intentionally! and unless you can prove that the actual mission you unlock the prothean in was coded and taken from the game to be sold seperatly of witch you never will! then you have no case and the only problem here is fans that are hurt about having to put there hands in there pocket for what has been an excellent franchise. Games have certain deadlines to reach that have to be kept to no matter what, Yes they may have added the prothean in previously but simply ran out of time to complete the mission before certification, Iv'e already heard this from multiple game company's where content they only partly developed in the main cycle had to be compelted as DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 and unless you can prove that the actual mission you unlock the prothean in was coded and taken from the game If you download Mass Effect 3 and use a cracked .exe to launch it the mission and character are both available, and - as I already said - they mentioned in their official statement that the character was developed by a separate team after the game went gold. They lied about that - and there is video evidence of this fact at the top of this thread, before you try to dispute that - so what's to stop them from lying about the rest of the DLC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Well my preloaded digitally distributed version had to download 200+mbs of extra data for the from ashes DLC! so there deffently wasnt something include in the official version and the words you state weren't actually used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycek Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 This add-on weights 563 MB on PS3, so it definitely wasn't just unlock key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Those Super Ultimate editions that come out after the game and DLC make me feel stupid. I don't know why I even bother buying games when they will release the super-duper ultimate collector's baby eating edition later. Look at god damn Max Payne 3. There are 3 or 4 pre-order bonuses, and you can only have one. But knowing Rockstar they will release the ultimate version after a year. So there is really no point buying games on release date. Just acquire them via other means and then buy the super edition or whatever. That's a bad business strategy and people are getting tired of it. It will hurt both developers and publishers eventually. And don't make me start with EA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Well my preloaded digitally distributed version had to download 200+mbs of extra data for the from ashes DLC! so there deffently wasnt something include in the official version and the words you state weren't actually used! It's in the f*cking video. Right there, plain as day. You're either in denial or trolling me at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcis_speed6 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Well my preloaded digitally distributed version had to download 200+mbs of extra data for the from ashes DLC! so there deffently wasnt something include in the official version and the words you state weren't actually used! It's in the f*cking video. Right there, plain as day. You're either in denial or trolling me at this point. The video is showing the character, which is already in the game, the mission and all the character dialogues aren't in probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 No where do they say the prothean is included in the DLC its used to recruit the prothean! the video doesn't show him unlocking the mission in a non cracked version of the game! the only thing i see misleading in that video is the description on EA store of witch in the text on the vid is referenced as the prothean pack of witch the DLC in debate is not titled! At the end of the day i paid an extra £20 pound on retail to secure the from ashes DLC so im actually the one losing out here if this is true! but im not blowing this all out of proportion over a few select quotes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I truly believe that bioware wouldn't rip us off intentionally! They would. Easily. Just because they made your favorite game doesn't mean they're saint. I like R* games but I don't justify their DLC mess in RDR, LA Noire and upcoming MP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 its used to recruit the prothean! Okay, so let's back up here: you're saying the DLC is used to recruit the Prothean. That, without the DLC, you cannot access the Prothean squadmate, which is included as content on the disc. Therefore, what you are claiming is that you must buy the DLC to access on-disc content. I can't make it any easier for you to understand than that. If you cannot access the character without the mission, and the mission is downloadable content, that means you have to buy the downloadable content to access content that is on the disc. And that is f*cking sh*tty business practice. That is a huge "f*ck you" to their customers, and I cannot respect anyone that supports it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 No im saying that you buy the DLC to access the from ashes mission that has the bonus of unlocking the prothean character legitimatly for those who purchase it. No where does it state the character itself is included in the DLC i think it says you can unlock a prothean character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 that has the bonus of unlocking the prothean character legitimatly You just do not f*cking get it. The character is ON-DISC CONTENT. You have to BUY DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT to "legitimately" unlock him, as you say. This means YOU HAVE TO BUY DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT TO UNLOCK ON-DISC CONTENT. It is that f*cking simple. This is not an opinion, this is an observational fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Honestly, would the reaction have been any different if it WASN'T on the disc? DLCs seems to carry a bad rep for being additional cash grabs for the gaming publishers already, regardless of whatever or not they're content keys or actual add-ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 DLC should not even be mentioned before release and certainly none should come out sooner than a month after the initial game's release. For example we don't really know anything about Skyrim's DLC apart from they're working on it and it's been 3 months since the game was released. We can also be assured that none of that DLC is already on the disc. I think DLC done right is probably the best thing to happen to games in recent years (Rockstar's, Bethesda's, Borderlands etc). But DLC done wrong and things like online passes are the worst. Yep, i think the same, done right its great, blatant ripping off sucks, i won't buy DLC for things like a new costume, or a new weapon, f*cking pathetic. Even the Call Of Duty DLC (For blackops) was semi-reasonable, new maps that were created after the game was released. The MW3 DLC is less reasonable, making people pay extra for Call Of Duty Elite, to get the DLC free of charge and on time, and making regular players wait, absolute bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mati Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Just watch this guys, he explains it perfectly. Street Fighter x Tekken is just an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I can't watch people who look like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) There are 3 or 4 pre-order bonuses, and you can only have one. You can have more if you're an impatient addict like some dude who spent $250 on Mafia 2 just to have all 5 pre-order DLC cars and suits. Later 4 of them were available separately for $12 ($3 each). Though if you want 5th one "legally" than you need Deluxe Edition for $40. Amazing. Anyway there're 3 DLCs for MP3 so far and one of them is a pure cheating: Silent Killer Multiplayer Loadout Pack the Slippery Character Burst to quickly escape a deadly firefight the Listening Device Item that amplifies player hearing so you can hear enemies approaching you from a greater distance Edited March 11, 2012 by Street Mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMateczko Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 And the people are bitching about increasing online piracy. Irony much, that they basically FORCE us to pirate their games, just to enjoy them as intended? Money sure does change game companies a LOT. And the person who created DLC's should probably be burned, and shot to death. Dead serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 hows this retarded game company's have been doing it for years time to get with the times! and like i stated the meat of the content about the prothean is the mission that you get in the DLC (i want hard proof that the mission unlocks with just the crack EXE and a legit game not a Torrent version before i except what your saying) i couldn't really give a sh*t about the character i have plenty of other ones the mission is the icing of the cake. As of now all that i can see is official is: the character was on the disk! mission was DLC Unlocking of prothean through the mission via the DLC Unlocking of the prothean weapon in DLC Adding of alternative uniforms for each character in game via the dlc as far as i have had confirmed so far is the crack only supplies the character on a legit version of the game and the rest of the DLC needs to be downloaded via torrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 hows this retarded game company's have been doing it for years They absolutely have not. Downloadable content is a very recent trend, and few games have actually attempted to sell content that can be found on the disc as downloadable content. the character was on the disk! mission was DLC Unlocking of prothean through the mission via the DLC Explain to me why I should be expected to pay extra to unlock a character that is included on the disc. Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OysterBarron Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 What the hell are you going on about pat 6 years ago i was playing test-drive unlimited before your balls had dropped! Most of the dlc cars were included on the disk witch were unlocked with 125k patches once they were purchased from the market place, so yes game company's have been doing this for years. And as i have stated before your not just paying for a character unlock, your paying for a nice bit of back story in a mission that answers quite a few questions witch add to your understanding of the mass effect universe, not to mention the other extras i mentioned in my last post! Hey everyone we have been ripped off lets all jump on the retard train together, i got another idea lets go jump of that cliff aswell gee good idea brain! im going by facts i can see infront of me and have been told about not assumptions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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