Mister Pink Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'd just like to ask the OP what he means by his topic title? Actually his use of continuity, particularly. ＲＵＢＢΣＲ░Ｊ♢ＨＮＮＹ （スオッ） Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpolfan11 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) what a f*cking stupid thread! Apparently the OP never noticed that Sprunk, Burger Shot, Cluckin Bell, Francis International Airport, and many other brands and names made their way into the IV universe. EDIT: By the way, I'm not suggesting that those characters will return because V is based in a time period that's way beyond those characters' prime. However, there is no reason why the Families and Ballas won't return. Edited March 11, 2012 by interpolfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capricornus Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Was this topic NOT made last year with the same exact title? Anyway, all I will say it this: I really don't care, even though most of it is common sense. Just give me GTA V when it gets here. I have GTA III, VC and SA, and I can get access to the TD games as well. If I miss those characters so much, I will just go back and play those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 @Gtaghost22 Yeah, GTA V and GTA IV ARE in the same Era. GTA V is just a new chapter, a new story, new characters and so on.. But is still in the same Era. That's what I meant. Baloney, GTA V IS A NEW ERA! Otherwise it would be called: GTAIV: San Andreas. See my reasoning? R* already explained the Era thing. If it was called "GTA IV: San Andreas" or "GTA IV: Los Santos" then it would show Nikolai Bellic going to Los Santos, and we would play with him again. The "V" in the title means a new chapter not a new Era, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorneliusCoffin Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 If it was called "GTA IV: San Andreas" or "GTA IV: Los Santos" then it would show Nikolai Bellic going to Los Santos, and we would play with him again. Right. That's why GTA IV - The Lost & Damned featured Niko Bellic being the boss of a motorcycle gang. Personally, I don't think R* really cares about the whole era/chapter thing. What you're doing here is trying to push GTA into a room-time logic that is according to our world. A logic, according to which Jetpacks don't lie arround in secret military bases in the middle of the dessert and untrained civilians don't enter helicopters and intuitively know how to fly them. That's just not what GTA is about. So, really, if they want to bring somebody back from previous games, they're just gonna do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBONEgta Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Rockstar make the world/universe, rockstar make the rules. If they want niko's turd to come back in V, they can. its their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 If it was called "GTA IV: San Andreas" or "GTA IV: Los Santos" then it would show Nikolai Bellic going to Los Santos, and we would play with him again. Right. That's why GTA IV - The Lost & Damned featured Niko Bellic being the boss of a motorcycle gang. I really love sarcasm. But still, Johnny's story is around Niko's story which is around Luis' story. Those three guys are connected, and their story makes sense as a whole. If they want niko's turd to come back in V, they can. its their game. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Rockstar make the world/universe, rockstar make the rules. If they want Niko's turd to come back in V, they can. its their game. 100% AGREE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Here's my theory from a while back: Like I said in a similar thread: GTA 1, 1969, 1961, and 2 take place in the 2D universe. GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, LCS, VCS take place in the 3D universe. GTA IV, TLaD, BoGT, and (possibly) GTA V takes place in the HD universe. Am I Rockstar? No. Do I listen to what they confirm and don't? Yes. They've repeatedly stated that games that are separated via era's, are in fact in different universes and the only thing that's allowed to "cross" universes are 2D things such as radio stations, background characters (as in "not important to any game or any plot"), ads, and companies. Hence why Liberty City in IV looks nothing like Liberty City in III, or why Los Santos in V looks nothing like Los Santos in San Andreas. But you may ask "WEL Y IZ CJ ON DAT BILLBOARD IN IV??/" Because my friend, CJ is represented as a picture on a 2D advertisement. He is in no way in 3D, able to interact with your character. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. I can't stress that above quote from Rockstar enough. It basically states flat out the rules of the universes and who's allowed to cross over or not. Also, I can pretty much confirm for you that even if the universes didn't exist, that none of the characters would be returning due to this easter egg which confirms they all died: oh and.. These settings are commonly referred to "universes", which, in all the games from Grand Theft Auto III onward, has been depicted as an island of sorts with a particular climate. In San Andreas's case, these climates actually consist of multiple "microclimates" each drastically different than one another. When Niko Bellic flew from Liberty City to San Andreas, he traveled through the "ultraverse" to the GTA V universe. Now please for the sake of GTA fans and fourmers alike, drop the theories about how characters can cross universes or how universes don't really exist because the game takes place "on earth". I don't care if you theorize about May 24 or Ned Luke or whatever, but don't try to disprove a theory set out and stated by Rockstar themselves. They've confirmed multiple times that everything is separated. No one can cross universes. They're constricted to their own. "Don't cross the streams" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryc90 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Imagine the world of GTA with all the places and cities...imagine them as realistic as possible,not even with the graphics of GTA V or VI or VII or whatever the next GTA games will be.In this world,all the characters we played,existed and were there,connected with the same world and the same places...every single one of them,they were on those places in the same GTA world...The ONLY thing that changed was TIME and Rockstar's way of showing us those places!There are no other universes or dimensions or anything like that.The LS in GTA V is the same as the one in SA but showed differently from Rockstar in the games...it's not like the characters stop existing or are in another universe or something,we just don't see them and it's not needed to do so! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vormek Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GTA IV is a complete re-imagining of the Grand Theft Auto universe. It's a reboot. Who says it's a reboot? Never heard of that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 @Nigel xD we already know that important characters from the GTA III "universe" are not coming back.. we are talking about the possiblety of Background characters returning or some easter eggs to old protagonists in GTA V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 @Nigel xD we already know that important characters from the GTA III "universe" are not coming back.. we are talking about the possiblety of Background characters returning or some easter eggs to old protagonists in GTA V Regardless, I throw my theory in there to prevent some crazy theorist from posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboyjr Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Jesus, are people still going on about this? You're a bit late to the party, Mr OP; I can't remember any morons saying "dat guy on the balconey is deffo timmy verseti becos they have the same nose" since late December time. Rockstar make the world/universe, rockstar make the rules. If they want niko's turd to come back in V, they can. its their game. Thisitty this this. What is it with the internet and its obsessive-compulsive need to find patterns in things, saying "every new number is a new universe" or "Claude can only come back on years that are divisible by three". Rockstar has explicitly stated they like to imagine their games split up into the "2D", the "3D" and the "HD", but they're free to mess around with their games in whatever way they see fit. If they decide to put Niko, CJ and Claude into GTA V, throwing in John Marston and James Earl Cash for good measure, there's nothing you can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Stern Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Jesus, are people still going on about this? You're a bit late to the party, Mr OP; I can't remember any morons saying "dat guy on the balconey is deffo timmy verseti becos they have the same nose" since late December time. Rockstar make the world/universe, rockstar make the rules. If they want niko's turd to come back in V, they can. its their game. Thisitty this this. What is it with the internet and its obsessive-compulsive need to find patterns in things, saying "every new number is a new universe" or "Claude can only come back on years that are divisible by three". Rockstar has explicitly stated they like to imagine their games split up into the "2D", the "3D" and the "HD", but they're free to mess around with their games in whatever way they see fit. If they decide to put Niko, CJ and Claude into GTA V, throwing in John Marston and James Earl Cash for good measure, there's nothing you can do about it. I make this thread on a regular basis because I find it hilarious. Check my history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GTA IV is a complete re-imagining of the Grand Theft Auto universe. It's a reboot. It has absolutely no continuity with GTA III, VC or SA. Claude does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Tommy Vercetti does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Carl Johnson does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Their stories took place in another dimension. The closest thing to continuity is the radio. None of these characters will ever come back. You won't see them, they won't play them, and you won't hear about them. Now quit it. Dude, ROCKSTAR themselves have said this yet these idiots still refuse to believe it, if the actual creators themselves get ignored, I think it's safe to say they won't listen to reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbojohn Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 False. Claude Speed appears in 3 games He appears in the GTA I era: in GTA 2 He appears in GTA III era: GTA SA and GTA III Therefore your argument is invalid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GTA IV is a complete re-imagining of the Grand Theft Auto universe. It's a reboot. It has absolutely no continuity with GTA III, VC or SA. Claude does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Tommy Vercetti does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Carl Johnson does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Their stories took place in another dimension. The closest thing to continuity is the radio. None of these characters will ever come back. You won't see them, they won't play them, and you won't hear about them. Now quit it. Agreed 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali_Legeend Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) GTA IV is a complete re-imagining of the Grand Theft Auto universe. It's a reboot. It has absolutely no continuity with GTA III, VC or SA. Claude does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Tommy Vercetti does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Carl Johnson does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Their stories took place in another dimension. The closest thing to continuity is the radio. None of these characters will ever come back. You won't see them, they won't play them, and you won't hear about them. I mean I agree with you they will/might not come back but, you said 'reboot' which means "restart", when gta v is taking place in Los Santos so it can be a cross-over story like TBoGT, TLaD, And Gta IV were. But, you can see that it takes setting like in the present. But I mean you should just take out the word 'reboot' itll cause more confusion and more rumors being rebooted and then youll hear more about CJ,Claude,Tommy Vercetti, Etc. Edited March 11, 2012 by Cali_Legeend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2Drugs Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 False. Claude Speed appears in 3 gamesHe appears in the GTA I era: in GTA 2 He appears in GTA III era: GTA SA and GTA III Therefore your argument is invalid We don't know if the GTA 2 Claude is the GTA III era Claude. Also, if the GTA 2 Era overlaps with the III era, it would make the first ever era invalid because their renditions of our previous locations (Liberty City, Vice City and San Andreas) are completely different than other eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GTA IV is a complete re-imagining of the Grand Theft Auto universe. It's a reboot. It has absolutely no continuity with GTA III, VC or SA. Claude does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Tommy Vercetti does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Carl Johnson does not exist in the GTA IV/V universe. Their stories took place in another dimension. The closest thing to continuity is the radio. None of these characters will ever come back. You won't see them, they won't play them, and you won't hear about them. Now quit it. Do you know what proper paragraph structure is? Good point though, people still won't accept it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocunoct Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I agree with you. Idiot theory people say GTA 1/2 and 3 are part of the same universe cause Claude and El burro. Then people say 4 and 5 are the same cause of a plane ticket in IV, and packie leaving in TBOGT. Idiots these days. Im about 50/50 on seeing GTA V in the same era as 4. 4 era is very incomplete, so its possible. BUT NO GTA 3 ERA CHARACTER BESIDES LAZLOW WILL BE BACK. im 99% sure that V is in IV era, same gen consoles, same engine, same car models, jerry kapowitz in trailer, niko's plane ticket, and we saw only 1 city in IV era ......This made me think about the protagonist. I would have never said this before, but if V is in the same universe as IV, there could exist the possibility of Niko being protag. I guess that possibility could be of like, 5% or less. I think there are like +95% chances that there will be a new protagonist, and if there's a new one, I think there are 85% of chances that it will be the Balcony guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrational Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 False. Claude Speed appears in 3 gamesHe appears in the GTA I era: in GTA 2 He appears in GTA III era: GTA SA and GTA III Therefore your argument is invalid That's what IBONEgta said: Rockstar make the world/universe, rockstar make the rules. If they want Niko's turd to come back in V, they can. its their game. They can mess up everything if they want to. The same goes with El Burro, they said that only background characters could return. Although in GTA 1, El Burro was a Major Character. Even with those plot holes, the rule of the Eras/Universes is still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.JimmyHopkins. Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Imagine the world of GTA with all the places and cities...imagine them as realistic as possible,not even with the graphics of GTA V or VI or VII or whatever the next GTA games will be.In this world,all the characters we played,existed and were there,connected with the same world and the same places...every single one of them,they were on those places in the same GTA world...The ONLY thing that changed was TIME and Rockstar's way of showing us those places!There are no other universes or dimensions or anything like that.The LS in GTA V is the same as the one in SA but showed differently from Rockstar in the games...it's not like the characters stop existing or are in another universe or something,we just don't see them and it's not needed to do so! Thank you! You are welcome ...all this time i just don't get the people who are trying to complicate things with all this different universes/dimensions stuff why make something that can be so simple to something complex for no reason...im not trying to gain attention in any way,but seriously what do you people think of what i've posted above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isuck100% Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Here's my theory from a while back: Like I said in a similar thread: GTA 1, 1969, 1961, and 2 take place in the 2D universe. GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, LCS, VCS take place in the 3D universe. GTA IV, TLaD, BoGT, and (possibly) GTA V takes place in the HD universe. Am I Rockstar? No. Do I listen to what they confirm and don't? Yes. They've repeatedly stated that games that are separated via era's, are in fact in different universes and the only thing that's allowed to "cross" universes are 2D things such as radio stations, background characters (as in "not important to any game or any plot"), ads, and companies. Hence why Liberty City in IV looks nothing like Liberty City in III, or why Los Santos in V looks nothing like Los Santos in San Andreas. But you may ask "WEL Y IZ CJ ON DAT BILLBOARD IN IV??/" Because my friend, CJ is represented as a picture on a 2D advertisement. He is in no way in 3D, able to interact with your character. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. I can't stress that above quote from Rockstar enough. It basically states flat out the rules of the universes and who's allowed to cross over or not. Also, I can pretty much confirm for you that even if the universes didn't exist, that none of the characters would be returning due to this easter egg which confirms they all died: oh and.. These settings are commonly referred to "universes", which, in all the games from Grand Theft Auto III onward, has been depicted as an island of sorts with a particular climate. In San Andreas's case, these climates actually consist of multiple "microclimates" each drastically different than one another. When Niko Bellic flew from Liberty City to San Andreas, he traveled through the "ultraverse" to the GTA V universe. Now please for the sake of GTA fans and fourmers alike, drop the theories about how characters can cross universes or how universes don't really exist because the game takes place "on earth". I don't care if you theorize about May 24 or Ned Luke or whatever, but don't try to disprove a theory set out and stated by Rockstar themselves. They've confirmed multiple times that everything is separated. No one can cross universes. They're constricted to their own. "Don't cross the streams" Here is the most intelligent, logical, and rational post in this entire thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboyjr Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Jesus, are people still going on about this? You're a bit late to the party, Mr OP; I can't remember any morons saying "dat guy on the balconey is deffo timmy verseti becos they have the same nose" since late December time. I make this thread on a regular basis because I find it hilarious. Check my history. ohyou.jpg ......This made me think about the protagonist. I would have never said this before, but if V is in the same universe as IV, there could exist the possibility of Niko being protag. That ain't gonna happen. I mean, Rockstar are perfectly capable of doing that if they wanted to, but they wouldn't reuse a protagonist, especially not Niko - after GTA IV was released, Niko's voice actor (Michael Hollick) started complaining that Roackstar didn't pay him enough, so that kinda soured the chances of him coming back. But regardless of that, I'd like to think that every protagonist's story gets neatly tied together by the end of their respective game, so there wouldn't be much to gain from another one without it feeling retrodden. Of course, there's nothing to stop them making a "cameo" appearance like Claude in GTA SA, and I'm expecting to see some IV/EfLC characters pop up in GTA V, so I'm not going to completely rule out seeing one of those protags coming back, not even Niko. Edited March 11, 2012 by bluesboyjr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryc90 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Imagine the world of GTA with all the places and cities...imagine them as realistic as possible,not even with the graphics of GTA V or VI or VII or whatever the next GTA games will be.In this world,all the characters we played,existed and were there,connected with the same world and the same places...every single one of them,they were on those places in the same GTA world...The ONLY thing that changed was TIME and Rockstar's way of showing us those places!There are no other universes or dimensions or anything like that.The LS in GTA V is the same as the one in SA but showed differently from Rockstar in the games...it's not like the characters stop existing or are in another universe or something,we just don't see them and it's not needed to do so! Thank you! You are welcome ...all this time i just don't get the people who are trying to complicate things with all this different universes/dimensions stuff why make something that can be so simple to something complex for no reason...im not trying to gain attention in any way,but seriously what do you people think of what i've posted above? I just think that some people put way too much care and depth into video games. It's a f*cking game. If CJ comes back, neat, if not who gives a sh*t. I don't really ever care to see any of the old main characters ever again. so be patient... you bunch of goobers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woggleman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Why are Lazlo and OG Loc in IV if it is a completely different universe? I don't think somebody that doesn't actually exist would be on the radio or making records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Why are Lazlo and OG Loc in IV if it is a completely different universe? I don't think somebody that doesn't actually exist would be on the radio or making records. Lazlow is a character in himself in the GTA series, and nothing like him in real life. The character he plays in IV is very different to the one in III's canon. We see a progression from awkward radio intern to cynical, bored and surly through-out the series. In IV, he's a socially awkward, desperate and frankly pathetic radio host who's a complete try-hard. It's only his name that links the two. As for OG Loc, I don't believe he was even in IV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The GTA Guy Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 False. Claude Speed appears in 3 gamesHe appears in the GTA I era: in GTA 2 He appears in GTA III era: GTA SA and GTA III Therefore your argument is invalid Actually there is no proof that the 2 Claudes are the same guy, Rockstar has said themselves that "Claude in GTA III may or may not be Claude Speed" I can find you link if you wish, I cba to do it now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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