Forced chores: Why they would suck

[Racecarlock]

So recently there has been a fuel topic and a hunger topic floating around, so I thought I would explain why they would suck.

 

Fuel Topic: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=468266

 

Hunger Topic: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=501937

 

1. Fuel. Look, I get it. You like realism and think this would add something. So maybe it should be an optional thing. However, picture this scenario. You just worked for an hour to steal a car because it's really hard to find. You're just about to get it into the garage when suddenly WHAM, you're out of fuel. Oops, looks like you'll have to do that whole thing over again and it probably won't be in you favorite color now. Not only that, but let's say you do keep up fuel. What this means is that every X amount of time, you'll have to spend at least a minute waiting for your fuel to fill up. The only place I like sitting around and doing nothing is the beach. And yeah, you could just steal another car, but that brings back the whole you just stole a unique vehicle thing.

 

2. Hunger. At least with fuel you could still steal another car. This particular mechanic would force you to possibly drive halfway across the map to get another cheeseburger. I always use the No Hunger cheat in SA just so I won't have to do that. It's not fun to have to eat every hour or so.

 

Now for the excuses for both features.

 

1. "You wouldn't have to do it that often" That particular one pisses me off since it's used as a hand wave for the annoyance, but it also completely fails to explain why I should have to do either at all. You don't have to mow the lawn in real life that often, but that doesn't make it any more enjoyable when you do have to. You don't have to wash the dishes every day, but that doesn't make it any more pleasurable when you do have to.

 

2. "Well you have to do it in real life" This one confuses me as I haven't seen any rockstar games press release yet that says they're trying to go for total realism. Even IV had some nutty missions. Even the most basic ones have you getting away with murdering 90 gangsters and not having the police come after you for any one of them. And I'm pretty sure the police would probably have wanted to talk to you after that huge bomb explosion at that car lot that was seen just a few seconds after you were seen driving a vehicle with a huge bomb strapped to the back of it into the same lot. Yeah, that bomb wasn't exactly inconspicuous.

 

But even if they were, would you want them to? Do you really want to have to go to the bathroom and do taxes and get a fast food job? Do you really want to get flat tires and exchange insurance information for every car you crash into and fight traffic tickets in court and spend 3 in game years in jail for every murder, even if it was an accident? Do you really want to shave, mow the lawn, wash dishes, unjam weapons, have to sleep every few in game hours, have to get a license at the DMV with real time waiting time, deal with insurance papers, pay rent constantly, and end up in a miserable dead end job? Do you really want that? Do you really want to start a mission over every 5 seconds because the damn snipers keep shooting you right in the head? Do you want to have to actually apply all the medical stuff in the game before your health is restored? You know, actually bandaging up wounds, putting anti bacterial stuff on, wrapping it up, maybe inserting a splint sometimes. All that for every wound? Do you really want to have to go food shopping? Do you really want to be forced to follow every road rule?

 

If you do, then maybe you should think about getting a different game. Maybe the sims, or mafia II. Or maybe simgangster. Maybe they have a GTA control and crime mod for the sims. GTA is and has always been a hollywood style crime game. A game with nutty police chases and crazy personalities and big military toys to play with. It will never be an actual life simulator. Except maybe when you join a role playing server or something.

 

Edit: At the very least, these two things should be in an option menu, so I can turn them off, while whichever of you guys are into that can still turn it on. Maybe have cheat codes for the two? The point is, while I would prefer these be left out, having them optional would be the best solution since everyone can be satisfied. And yes, I do like being lazy in games.

Edited March 8, 2012 by Racecarlock

[SGT. Johnson]

The only thing I have to say is:

 

1) Make it an option so people aren't forced.

2) Turn this off during missions and only during Free Roam SP so it does not become a game-hampering feature.

 

I think it is a good idea, BUT only if implemented correctly. If added, R* WILL KNOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT CORRECTLY. #FACT

[Dick Valor]

While I'm not a proponent of either idea, I'm sure R* would design the game so you could check your fuel gauge at any time. So only complete idiots would run out of gas. As for hunger, there are restaurants everywhere. We do have countryside, but suppose you could do some Man v. Wild sh*t and kill and eat any animal you come across.

 

Yeah, these ideas may sound tedious, but I had to play devil's advocate. Perhaps R* could limit them to a hardcore mode similar to that featured in Fallout: New Vegas?

[Proud Fool]

I agree, the features are fine but this is the wrong game to put them in, now off topic but hunger in SA was pointless because I saved after pretty much every bit of progress made.

[SGT. Johnson]

I agree, the features are fine but this is the wrong game to put them in, now off topic but hunger in SA was pointless because I saved after pretty much every bit of progress made.

That is because, the problem with that feature in SA was it INTERRUPTED YOU while you were on a mission and FORCED YOU to do so!

 

Like I stated before, I don't see how this would become so much of a hassle if they were DISABLED DURING MISSIONS (side missions and oddjobs mostly; collectibles would still fall under the feature).

 

That way, when you need to rely on no eating and fuel the most, it is there. The problem with why people don't like these features is mostly due to the fact they hamper missions or become a chore. WHO GIVES A f*ck ABOUT SLL THAT WHEN ROAMING AROUND FREELY IN THE GAME? I can understand why people would not like it during missions but Free Roaming is a different story entirely.

[boxmonster]

There is no point in making stuff like gas optional. If you could make the game easier with a switch you'd take advantage of it more than you'd like to admit. Imagine how many people would cheat the system if fat and muscle were optional in GTA SA. Just make it forced or not (even if we would prefer not to have these things), making things like this optional is self-defeating.

[SGT. Johnson]

There is no point in making stuff like gas optional. If you could make the game easier with a switch you'd take advantage of it more than you'd like to admit. Imagine how many people would cheat the system if fat and muscle were optional in GTA SA. Just make it forced or not (even if we would prefer not to have these things), making things like this optional is self-defeating.

If that is the case, then sticking to the "DISABLED WHILE ON MISSION/ODDJOB" idea still holds true.

[HOTMILFDAD]

I might be the only one but I'm actually for the fuel system.

It'll add much more strategy to your getaways and really just keep you on the edge the whole time..and if you're not on a chase, you can conserve fuel by gently pressing on the gas and taking corners better than you would by flooring it (GTA IV style).

 

And the example you gave about fuel not working is pretty...meh.

I mean, if you find a rare car and you notice it doesn't have much gas, why wouldn't you just fill it up? Also i hope you know that if a car hits E in real life, it still has enough juice to go a bit further.

But if the car literally stops 2 feet away from your Safehouse, what's stopping you from simply pushing it with another car?

 

[SGT. Johnson]

I might be the only one but I'm actually for the fuel system.

It'll add much more strategy to your getaways and really just keep you on the edge the whole time..and if you're not on a chase, you can conserve fuel by gently pressing on the gas and taking corners better than you would by flooring it (GTA IV style).

 

And the example you gave about fuel not working is pretty...meh.

I mean, if you find a rare car and you notice it doesn't have much gas, why wouldn't you just fill it up? Also i hope you know that if a car hits E in real life, it still has enough juice to go a bit further.

But if the car literally stops 2 feet away from your Safehouse, what's stopping you from simply pushing it with another car?

You're not the only one. Anythign to make the experience more challenging and fun.

[Bad Azz]

I might be the only one but I'm actually for the fuel system.

It'll add much more strategy to your getaways and really just keep you on the edge the whole time..and if you're not on a chase, you can conserve fuel by gently pressing on the gas and taking corners better than you would by flooring it (GTA IV style).

 

And the example you gave about fuel not working is pretty...meh.

I mean, if you find a rare car and you notice it doesn't have much gas, why wouldn't you just fill it up? Also i hope you know that if a car hits E in real life, it still has enough juice to go a bit further.

But if the car literally stops 2 feet away from your Safehouse, what's stopping you from simply pushing it with another car?

Right on man, you have to organize yourself. What would you do if run out of gas IRL? Why not doing it in the game instead of complaining

 

This is just a bunch of lazy and silly kids who likes to have everything right away and order their mom to serve them cookies while they're sitting on their computer chair. Typical

[SGT. Johnson]

But even if they were, would you want them to? Do you really want to have to go to the bathroom and do taxes and get a fast food job? Do you really want to get flat tires and exchange insurance information for every car you crash into and fight traffic tickets in court and spend 3 in game years in jail for every murder, even if it was an accident? Do you really want to shave, mow the lawn, wash dishes, unjam weapons, have to sleep every few in game hours, have to get a license at the DMV with real time waiting time, deal with insurance papers, pay rent constantly, and end up in a miserable dead end job? Do you really want that? Do you really want to start a mission over every 5 seconds because the damn snipers keep shooting you right in the head? Do you want to have to actually apply all the medical stuff in the game before your health is restored? You know, actually bandaging up wounds, putting anti bacterial stuff on, wrapping it up, maybe inserting a splint sometimes. All that for every wound? Do you really want to have to go food shopping? Do you really want to be forced to follow every road rule?

 

If you do, then maybe you should think about getting a different game. Maybe the sims, or mafia II. Or maybe simgangster. Maybe they have a GTA control and crime mod for the sims. GTA is and has always been a hollywood style crime game. A game with nutty police chases and crazy personalities and big military toys to play with. It will never be an actual life simulator. Except maybe when you join a role playing server or something.

Don't kid yourself, buddy! We don't want it to be THAT realistic; a little realism isn't a bad thing. I think it is YOU who is pissed off and nothing more. I'f you don't like it, don't use it. Find ways around it; you've done that for SA haven't you?

[ccrogers15]

First of all, they would not do that because they would tick people off, second, its not that bad. Take this VC mod made by MODSTAR: http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=17554

 

It adds things to spice up the realism. Like cars need to have gas, you can call police, you must eat, ETC. Very Very good mod. Try it out if you own VC, its a must have.

[HOTMILFDAD]

I might be the only one but I'm actually for the fuel system.

It'll add much more strategy to your getaways and really just keep you on the edge the whole time..and if you're not on a chase, you can conserve fuel by gently pressing on the gas and taking corners better than you would by flooring it (GTA IV style).

 

And the example you gave about fuel not working is pretty...meh.

I mean, if you find a rare car and you notice it doesn't have much gas, why wouldn't you just fill it up? Also i hope you know that if a car hits E in real life, it still has enough juice to go a bit further.

But if the car literally stops 2 feet away from your Safehouse, what's stopping you from simply pushing it with another car?

Right on man, you have to organize yourself. What would you do if run out of gas IRL? Why not doing it in the game instead of complaining

 

This is just a bunch of lazy and silly kids who likes to have everything right away and order their mom to serve them cookies while they're sitting on their computer chair. Typical

lol well, the only thing I can see about this NOT working is you jumping into a car and it's already on E.

Rockstar can fix this by having every parked car at a minimum of a half tank that way you have enough to make it to places or get gas.

[Hurrikane]

 

First of all, they would not do that because they would tick people off, second, its not that bad. Take this VC mod made by MODSTAR: http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=17554

 

It adds things to spice up the realism. Like cars need to have gas, you can call police, you must eat, ETC. Very Very good mod. Try it out if you own VC, its a must have.

How much does a gallon of gas/diesel cost, is it selve ser or do I have to pump the gas myself.

 

Can't wait to fill up my car in V every time I drive from Los Santos to the country. Then when i don't find gas the car stalls in the middle of the forest. Sounds like fun. Or when i have this awesome car/bike, i run out of gas, then stall, and have to walk to the gas station to fill up a 5 gallon jug.

[ccrogers15]

First of all, they would not do that because they would tick people off, second, its not that bad. Take this VC mod made by MODSTAR: http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=17554

 

It adds things to spice up the realism. Like cars need to have gas, you can call police, you must eat, ETC. Very Very good mod. Try it out if you own VC, its a must have.

How much does a gallon of gas/diesel cost, is it selve ser or do I have to pump the gas myself.

 

Can't wait to fill up my car in V every time I drive from Los Santos to the country. Then when i don't find gas the car stalls in the middle of the forest. Sounds like fun. Or when i have this awesome car/bike, i run out of gas, then stall, and have to walk to the gas station to fill up a 5 gallon jug.

Or dont run to find gas and just jack someone.

[EscoLehGo]

Unless the gas mileage was so high that you hardly had to think about filling up, which would defeat the purpose, I can't see how this would work. It sounds lame and unnecessary, I'm sure there will be mods for RPers or at worst you can continue to use your imaginations

[Racecarlock]

I might be the only one but I'm actually for the fuel system.

It'll add much more strategy to your getaways and really just keep you on the edge the whole time..and if you're not on a chase, you can conserve fuel by gently pressing on the gas and taking corners better than you would by flooring it (GTA IV style).

 

And the example you gave about fuel not working is pretty...meh.

I mean, if you find a rare car and you notice it doesn't have much gas, why wouldn't you just fill it up? Also i hope you know that if a car hits E in real life, it still has enough juice to go a bit further.

But if the car literally stops 2 feet away from your Safehouse, what's stopping you from simply pushing it with another car?

Right on man, you have to organize yourself. What would you do if run out of gas IRL? Why not doing it in the game instead of complaining

 

This is just a bunch of lazy and silly kids who likes to have everything right away and order their mom to serve them cookies while they're sitting on their computer chair. Typical

Because the game is the one place where I can be lazy and just have infinite fuel. Not have to worry about having to push a rare car back to my house. Sure, you have to do this stuff in real life, but that's real life, where you pretty much have to accept those limitations. But seriously, why should I have to accept those limitations in the game world as well? Why can't I be lazy and not have to worry about game world chores? Calling me lazy doesn't defeat my arguments. Plus, what if in the rare car instance you're no where near a gas station? When did the idea of simple convenience that sacrifices a small tiny bit of realism become so evil? Responsibility exists in real life simply because it has to. The same is not true of games, especially not one where the police basically let you get away with murder or charge you 200 dollars per massacre. And really, would the game be that much better if you had to fuel up your car? Even racing sims let you turn that sh*t off. Why should the game not only have fuel, but have it non-optional? Why should I have to deal with that? So I'm lazy. Why do you think I use car spawn cheats? And why does that matter? Why should I not be able to be lazy in a game?

[Gtaghost22]

The only thing I have to say is:

 

1) Make it an option so people aren't forced.

2) Turn this off during missions and only during Free Roam SP so it does not become a game-hampering feature.

 

I think it is a good idea, BUT only if implemented correctly. If added, R* WILL KNOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT CORRECTLY. #FACT

This^

i'm sure if R* implmented this features they will do it correctly

[EscoLehGo]

This all boils down to RPers wanting the game to cater to their RPing needs, that's what this is really about.

[Honest Bill]

I agree with you that being forced to do this would be annoying. I don't see any problem with adding the option to do it for people's role playing purposes or whatever. But actually being necessary to get gas? Well i'd ask what does it actually add to the game?

 

After a while people would just make it a habit to fill up every time they passed a petrol station, so it would become a laborious chore which served no real purpose and didn't enhance the game.

 

The only benefit it has is to satisfy role players who want everything to be as realistic as possible, and they could have the option to use it, and since those people are all about imagination, they can pretend their tank is empty, and i can forget my tank exists, that way we're both happy

 

I'm all for realistic features providing they add some real depth to the game. I can't see how getting hungry or needing petrol adds anything really.

 

One thing that bothers me though is this "Go play Sims" mentality.. Im sure people can figure out which games they want to play. If people ask for features in GTA, it's because they want to be able to do it in GTA.. Telling them to play something else is so inane.

 

But other than that' i agree with you, i don't want to be forced to do pointless stuff which isn't about crime.

[ikillionaire ii]

It would be the equivalent of horse stamina in RDR which annoyed me again its one of them features for that ever so annoying R word (realism)

 

I originally liked the idea of fuel but have to agree theres alot of annoying possibilties which OP has pointed out now for me maybe the cpuld be solved

 

Phone > mechanic/tow truck > drops you off at nearest gas station (which could be annoying if it sets you miles of course) or they bring a jerry can and fill you up there and then for a fee ofc

 

Then it would make a pretty nice friend bonus (if they are in the game)

Friend fills your car for free or friend takes you to gas station for free

 

I think the fill up there and then would kinda be pointless but as i stated the possibilty of being set miles of course to arrive at a fill up would be frustrating too

[nocunoct]

I'm all in for fuel, but as people said above, it can be very improved so it's not a chore. As Nigel said, after a car hits E, it can still run for a while. If there's a speedometer, the gas meter could be next to it, or it could be next to the radar. There could be electric, hybrids and normal vehicles. Electric vehicles should be slower and would take longer to recharge for example. These would only be found in the cities. Finding gas station wouldn't be hard; there could at least one gas station in every neighborhood or town. In SA, there were rest stops in the highways; these could come back and they could be useful for the first time.

I think running out of gas during a chase could be exciting; you have 4 stars, you're at Del Perro Fwy. and you have dozens of policemen surrounding you. The only way to escape would be starting a shoot out, or to risk your life and steal a police car!

EDIT: Maybe not in every neighborhood, but I guess you know what I mean: gas stations would be a common sighting in the city.

[Bad Azz]

I might be the only one but I'm actually for the fuel system.

It'll add much more strategy to your getaways and really just keep you on the edge the whole time..and if you're not on a chase, you can conserve fuel by gently pressing on the gas and taking corners better than you would by flooring it (GTA IV style).

 

And the example you gave about fuel not working is pretty...meh.

I mean, if you find a rare car and you notice it doesn't have much gas, why wouldn't you just fill it up? Also i hope you know that if a car hits E in real life, it still has enough juice to go a bit further.

But if the car literally stops 2 feet away from your Safehouse, what's stopping you from simply pushing it with another car?

Right on man, you have to organize yourself. What would you do if run out of gas IRL? Why not doing it in the game instead of complaining

 

This is just a bunch of lazy and silly kids who likes to have everything right away and order their mom to serve them cookies while they're sitting on their computer chair. Typical

Because the game is the one place where I can be lazy and just have infinite fuel. Not have to worry about having to push a rare car back to my house. Sure, you have to do this stuff in real life, but that's real life, where you pretty much have to accept those limitations. But seriously, why should I have to accept those limitations in the game world as well? Why can't I be lazy and not have to worry about game world chores? Calling me lazy doesn't defeat my arguments. Plus, what if in the rare car instance you're no where near a gas station? When did the idea of simple convenience that sacrifices a small tiny bit of realism become so evil? Responsibility exists in real life simply because it has to. The same is not true of games, especially not one where the police basically let you get away with murder or charge you 200 dollars per massacre. And really, would the game be that much better if you had to fuel up your car? Even racing sims let you turn that sh*t off. Why should the game not only have fuel, but have it non-optional? Why should I have to deal with that? So I'm lazy. Why do you think I use car spawn cheats? And why does that matter? Why should I not be able to be lazy in a game?

Sorry if you thought that my post was directly pointing at you (lazy), it wasn't.

 

But it's up to personal opinion and interests, we could debate about this until we die and nobody would have won...

 

I'm all for realism, with certain limits off course. For me, little things like that add so much to the immersion feeling.

 

And I also understand some people likes to relax and don't give a sh*t about these things. I like to relax too, that's why i'm playing video games afterall.

 

So i'm with sgt johnson on that topic, just disable these things during missions and enable them during free roam. It would be perfect.

[HOTMILFDAD]

Right so, here are the "rules" for the fuel issue that I've come up with.

If anyone wants to add or correct something, go right on ahead as I thought of this while watching Spongebob

• Parked cars will never be on E. It will be between half and quarter tank always.

  This is to prevent getting into cars that won't go anywhere.

• Peds driving cars will be between half and full tank depending on the car (ex. a muscle car might be at half tank due to the bigger engine while a family sedan might be at full tank).
• Gas/Diesel fill up will take approx. 30 seconds, half tank would be half of that (15 seconds), etc., etc. - same idea for electric cars that need a "charge". A plug station will be available at every gas station in the city.
• At the gas station you'll have the option of filling up, up to 3 extra gas tankers in case you run out of fuel in the middle of no where - for an added fee of course. Electric cars can come with a back up battery or some sh*t. I don't know much about how they work lol. These tankers/batteries will fill up your fuel tanker.

That's what I got so far. Edited March 8, 2012 by Nigel xD

[monsterjamp]

I think there should be hunger but after you do something you should unlock no hunger. You should only be hungry once a week too.

 

Just like in VCS if you did enough ambulance missions you unlocked unlimited sprint. For GTA V it should be something like deliver 100 pizzas or something...

[Hurrikane]

Cant wait to deliver pizza's and unlock ultimate sprint or we could do this again in GTAV.

[ccrogers15]

Cant wait to deliver pizza's and unlock ultimate sprint or we could do this again in GTAV.

Totally just lol`d.

 

So niko... wanna go bowling?

[azali10]

Fuel, hunger, all these things are usless burdens imo. I'd rather not put up with them. I don't even put up with healthpacks and ammo, I just use the health and ammo cheats. And I think I can tell you for a fact they won't show up in V. At least not fuel.

[ccrogers15]

Remember food was required in SA. I hope it comes back. That was kinda cool, makes it more realistic.

[ikillionaire ii]

It would be the equivalent of horse stamina in RDR which annoyed me again its one of them features for that ever so annoying R word (realism)

 

I originally liked the idea of fuel but have to agree theres alot of annoying possibilties which OP has pointed out now for me maybe the cpuld be solved

 

Phone > mechanic/tow truck > drops you off at nearest gas station (which could be annoying if it sets you miles of course) or they bring a jerry can and fill you up there and then for a fee ofc

 

Then it would make a pretty nice friend bonus (if they are in the game)

Friend fills your car for free or friend takes you to gas station for free

 

I think the fill up there and then would kinda be pointless but as i stated the possibilty of being set miles of course to arrive at a fill up would be frustrating too

Any thoughts on this as a soloution?

 

(Sorry to quote self but i know if i made a new topic it would have been locked)