Jakee. Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 This post is more of a rant at Rockstar, because whilst I still feel they did a brilliant job with Grand Theft Auto IV, I feel they drastically went further backwards than forwards. Grand Theft Auto Vice City & San Andreas were the two games of the century for me, they still to this day hold memories than no other game has been able to do, and IV simply brought nothing new except eye-candy and annoying people asking me to go bowling or play darts. I hope they more than make up for IV, because whilst it wasn't a bad game, it most definitely wasn't amazing, and I am quite disappointed looking back and realising I have no amazing memories on the game, and can't even remember the storyline whereas on both Vice City and San Andreas I can, because I became immersed in those storys. Biggest thing that bugged me about GTA IV is the lack of effort on the airport area, you can tell that it was never finished and the static "airplanes" that are moving around were last minute additions to make the area feel more like an airport, frankly id prefer it if they didn't have them moving about. And the Shamal-looking private jets, why are the shading and vector quality so damn ugly? Does anyone else agree with me? Did anyone think GTA IV was a step backwards? I am putting it down to Rockstars first game on the new-gen, and that is a perfectly good excuse for it. I am expecting big things for GTA V, and to feed my hunger for info and GTA memories, I have gone back to GTA SA and GTA VC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba_Bhoy88 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Right off the bat I'd disagree with you, GTA 4 wasn't a step back. It was a huge step forward and has far reaching consequences for all future GTA/Rock* games. Sure they got some things wrong, but they also got many things right.... My point is, they mixed it up a bit and introduced new things some failed some didn't but the same can be said for all GTA's before. (imho) GTA4 was a more grown up game, it was very very gritty. Personay it was nowhere near my FAV of the series but i still hold it in high regard because of the impact it's had on games released afterwards and some still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatassGTA Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 R* always delivers, every game made by them has been enjoyed by me, a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Why do people act like getting phone calls to go bowling or drinking was such a major disturbance. UMMMMMMM, you push one button and say no. f*ckin crybabies. It even gives you the option to turn your phone off if pushing one button is too much of a hassle for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokrie Dela Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) ^ What they said and VC/SA were games of the century? How so when the cetury was 3 years old I jest IV was a great game. going back and playing SA it's so... i dunno it lacks that feel. that magic. IV imo put the gamer in Niko's shoes. It was easy to play the game, to connect, and to absorb it. IV was very atmospheric. It felt like a city SA and VC did not have that to that extent. Vice remains the ultimate city to me - and i dreamt of V returning there, but IV was a step forward. Sure they dropped some features, but what they did they did well. V will build on that too. IV is far better then SA imo, so a GTA built up ontop of that will be even better. IV's phone calls and friend system had absolutely no problems. any faults were with user expectation. 4 years, and half a dozen play throughs and not once had i gotten annoyed at roman calling me. Not once have i been harassed by phone calls. Having the system there is a mastestroke as it offers a change of pace - and if V is to have more in the game, then i want that option to remain. Edited March 8, 2012 by Mokrie Dela The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Click here to view my Poetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba_Bhoy88 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Growing up with VC/SA and the original GTA's can sometimes make appreciation of current tech almost impossible. (Rock* made a passing comment about this nostalgia) I just want to say that while GTA4 wasn't my fav (VC was btw) it was no step back, that map was the best game map in gaming to date (with exception of some RPG games) the city felt atmospheric and homicidal lol and the game-play was as always- solid.. All that lacked was the fun factor. The OP is right though in that it was their first step on the nex gen trail, so yeah experiments where done. We should (in my warped theory) see the fruits of that this edition and tbh i think we will.. going by the impact GTA4 had on RDR ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanfire Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I'm more pissed off with the amount of time they are spending making this game. Lets take GTA3 era just for comparison: GTA3 - 2001 GTA Vice city - (1 year later) GTA SA - (2 years later) GTA IV - (4 years later) GTA V - (??) I'm not sure why they are taking their sweet time with this gen games. Yeh, I agree GTA IV was a step up in terms of quality and that they had to create a lot of stuff from scratch like the physics engine. But why the hell does it take ANOTHER 4 years for GTA V to come out?? The engine is still the same, graphics look the same, hell the ped models look similar. GTA VC added so much to GTA3, and that took just one year to make. GTA SA added TONS of stuff, and only took 2 years to make, and it had quality for its gen. "slow and steady wins the race" says R*. To me thats just an excuse for laziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 even if this old lady: Was the gta main character, im sure the game would rock only cause rockstar would find a way to make it so. Btw, that old lady is riding a bike with high heels and in the middle of the road... hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakee. Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 ^ Agree with you I guess its down to the fact that I grew up playing GTA Vice City & San Andreas, and therefore they are by far my favourite games in the series. I felt yes, GTA IV had a large map, but it was all so boring and predictable. There was no scenery to actually enjoy, apart from central park which again wasn't the best. It wasn't as such a step back, but where was the fun in IV? It was far too mature and I didn't really feel the rockstar buzz. There was only a small amount of their humour, and I felt San Andreas was just so much more immersive and fun. I also felt the IV walking and movement mechanics were slightly off-tune, it always felt my guy had a hunchback and was moving like a granny. The climbing had some downfalls too, and you can see they vastly improved these mechanics in RDR so I am not really worried about them for GTA V. Anyhow, I a seriously looking forward to GTA V, and just hope it wont let me down. I keep trying to keep my expectations low but I just can't, they have had years to work on this game so I hope its something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x kgSully x Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I swear GTA IV has better driving physics then the majority of racing games, and it only has the basics. Lool IV wasn't a step back. 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Be careful you don't get fogged up with nostalgia. A good game is one thing, but to say IV lacked in comparison to III and VC is crazy. I think that IV was a gigantic leap forward for not only GTA but for the entire sandbox genre. Never before was there so much detail in the city, or such a gripping storyline for example. Simply put, every GTA game raises the bar for sandbox games every time they come out with a new one so you have no worries about being disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurrikane Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Why do people act like getting phone calls to go bowling or drinking was such a major disturbance. UMMMMMMM, you push one button and say no. f*ckin crybabies. It even gives you the option to turn your phone off if pushing one button is too much of a hassle for you. bc its the worst mini games in the world. just like you all say IV was epic, u cant even have an npc and grab them as a shield. pathetic to say the least. you guys are easily impressed with bowling and drinking. wow we all could have thought of those mini games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokrie Dela Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 even if this old lady: Was the gta main character, im sure the game would rock only cause rockstar would find a way to make it so. Btw, that old lady is riding a bike with high heels and in the middle of the road... hmm. that'd be awesome! Bet she's packing @urbanfire GTA V is bigger than IV. IV took 4 years, so if V is bigger logic says it'll take 4+ years*. If V comes out and it's twice as big, twice as long and twice as awesome as IV or SA or whatever, will you be complaining? look at COD, or EA's yearly pimping of games like fifa. They are released and they're good, but littered with flaws and bugs. Fifa for example, online play is terrible. The AI is non existant in all game modes, and they make changes to accomadate retarded skillless players who cant play the game properly. The game constantly ignores the very rules of the game, and just does wtf it wants. apply that logic on gta. Rush it and you get? Saints Row. A good game but off the mark (thats not fair cos SR isnt a "rushed" game, thought the 3rd is lacking a lot from previous games im told).. Now take your time, 4 years (less if you count EFLC) is pretty standard. Assassin's creed 3 was in progress since ACII. Hitman absolution has taken many years. And those games look good. I of course want GTA very soon. I wanna get sleeping dogs and then a month later GTA to be out. I want it before winter. If it takes longer than that, so be it - quality over quantity. *ignoring creating the engine etc The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Click here to view my Poetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 that'd be awesome! Bet she's packing @urbanfire GTA V is bigger than IV. IV took 4 years, so if V is bigger logic says it'll take 4+ years*. If V comes out and it's twice as big, twice as long and twice as awesome as IV or SA or whatever, will you be complaining? look at COD, or EA's yearly pimping of games like fifa. They are released and they're good, but littered with flaws and bugs. Fifa for example, online play is terrible. The AI is non existant in all game modes, and they make changes to accomadate retarded skillless players who cant play the game properly. The game constantly ignores the very rules of the game, and just does wtf it wants. apply that logic on gta. Rush it and you get? Saints Row. A good game but off the mark (thats not fair cos SR isnt a "rushed" game, thought the 3rd is lacking a lot from previous games im told).. Now take your time, 4 years (less if you count EFLC) is pretty standard. Assassin's creed 3 was in progress since ACII. Hitman absolution has taken many years. And those games look good. I of course want GTA very soon. I wanna get sleeping dogs and then a month later GTA to be out. I want it before winter. If it takes longer than that, so be it - quality over quantity. *ignoring creating the engine etc Fifa 2005 was the best Anyway, Mokrie here is right. Good games take time. GTA V's been taking time to ensure that it's gonna be absolutely mind blowing. If GTA's rushed, I wouldn't say it'd be a Saints Row because those games are actually quite fun. I'd say it turn into True Crime: Streets of LA/NY. Those games were buggy, rushed, and just felt like a mess. The more time GTA takes = the better product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRMS Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 cool story, bro. never tell it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryfaar Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 cool story, bro. never tell it again! Cool post bro', changed my life. On-Topic - Yeah, IV was really a let-down for the GTA Series, but I bet V won't be. Judging from the trailer, you can see that lots of improvements had been made already by R*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonJames Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think if R* combined the graphics and physics of IV with the fun factor of SA and VC, then GTA V would be near-perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba_Bhoy88 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 cool story, bro. never tell it again! Cool post bro', changed my life. On-Topic - Yeah, IV was really a let-down for the GTA Series, but I bet V won't be. Judging from the trailer, you can see that lots of improvements had been made already by R*. To me the trailer looks an awful ot like the original San Andreas.. Not graphics wise of-course but in terms of color pallet. At the end of the day some will be upset for whatever reason regardless of how the game plays lol it's just one of them things. Nostalgia absolutely does play a part though in folks minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Kenny Lee Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 (edited) Biggest thing that bugged me about GTA IV is the lack of effort on the airport area, you can tell that it was never finished and the static "airplanes" that are moving around were last minute additions to make the area feel more like an airport, frankly id prefer it if they didn't have them moving about. And the Shamal-looking private jets, why are the shading and vector quality so damn ugly? Well, the Airports in previous GTA games weren't better: GTA VC had unsolid moving planes and there was little to no reason to go there, GTA San Andreas didn't even had those moving planes, just some parked planes and nothing going on at all. The LS and the LV airport in San Andreas were, speaking of last minute additions, nearly the same. GTA IV had on the other hand many unique vehicles which only appeared at the airport, like the Ridley, FlyUS Perennials & Ferocis, as well Airtugs. Edited March 8, 2012 by Wu Kenny Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFever Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Cool post bro', changed my life. ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llpalm08 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I feel they made a massive step forward to be honest because they now have massive freedom to do what they like due to their RAGE engine they created, the driving was much better, the damage was much better, the map loading was much better, the graphics were much better, the helicopters were much better, the water was much better, the lighing was much better, the guns were much better and the driving effects on different terrains were also, much better. I think what im tryin to say is that GTA IV was, well, much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokrie Dela Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 To me the trailer looks an awful ot like the original San Andreas.. Not graphics wise of-course but in terms of color pallet. probably because it's the same setting - california. It's going to have the same visual style. The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Click here to view my Poetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alba_Bhoy88 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 To me the trailer looks an awful ot like the original San Andreas.. Not graphics wise of-course but in terms of color pallet. probably because it's the same setting - california. It's going to have the same visual style. Yeah, You're right actually, didn't think of it this way. PS, @ the last poster.. Lighting although sleek in parts was not something i would consider a step up.. The lighting in GTA4 was often times frustrating even on a fully calibrated TV set.. (may be different for PC, i don't know as i never tried that) but on consoles i spent many hours faffing about with contrast and brightness ect i often felt like it was taking me out the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirWolf856 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I think our first taste of what R* can really do will be with Max Payne 3. As a PC person, it sounds like they finally got the Rage engine to correctly work on a PC. If so, this bodes well for all of us GTA IV fans who would love to see GTA V on the PC in all its high resolution glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrialzGTAS Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Think of it like this... GTA IV + DLC, RDR and LA Noire are betas for GTA V. Animals, shading, brightness, animation, story telling and multiplayer. Its going to be worth it buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llpalm08 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Think of it like this... GTA IV + DLC, RDR and LA Noire are betas for GTA V. Animals, shading, brightness, animation, story telling and multiplayer. Its going to be worth it buddy. Rockstar probably has one of the best ranges of games to help GTA get better each time, there probably is a better way of putting it than betas to GTA V as a beta is usually the second of something e.g. Alpha squad goes in first and then Beta squad goes in or in terms of game development Alpha testing comes first then they do Beta testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLM1975 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 VC - Tommy couldn't swim. SA - CJ could swim, but I always got annoyed when you reach the point in the story when you have to take out gangs in order to progress. I started playing it again a month or so ago, and got to that point and just got fed up and walked away. My point is, you can find fault in anything if you look hard enough. IV was ok, it felt like a short game to me, but the physics were awesome (Niko could stand with one foot on the curb, one in he street...) and smashing through the window of the car and hitting the ground rolling, that's pretty cool...They seem to be improving the games as they go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adslegend Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Why do people act like getting phone calls to go bowling or drinking was such a major disturbance. UMMMMMMM, you push one button and say no. f*ckin crybabies. It even gives you the option to turn your phone off if pushing one button is too much of a hassle for you. I've never understood those people or the people that complain about the dating. Fair enough if the game forced you to do that but it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakee. Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 All of your opinions and views are pretty much mine, yes IV had huge improvements but I still feel the likes of SA and VC were stronger games. But, roll on V because I was on Red Dead Earlier, and realised that all the games coming out from Rockstar with the fantastic features and improved AI etc are all most probably going to be similar to how GTA V deals with them. Can. Not. Wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll rdny ll Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Right off the bat I'd disagree with you, GTA 4 wasn't a step back. It was a huge step forward and has far reaching consequences for all future GTA/Rock* games. Sure they got some things wrong, but they also got many things right.... My point is, they mixed it up a bit and introduced new things some failed some didn't but the same can be said for all GTA's before. (imho) GTA4 was a more grown up game, it was very very gritty. Personay it was nowhere near my FAV of the series but i still hold it in high regard because of the impact it's had on games released afterwards and some still to come. The only thing in IV that didn't work in my opinion, was the Character movement and camera. It was too rigid. But RDR fixed that so V will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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