waitin4gta Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Back on topic: The wall says RIP WIZ...LMAO @ "Wiz Carl". Who da f*ck is Wiz Carl????? You people are so desperate! Just like you said man.. The Shark are so f*cking desperate! They KNOW the families and Ballas will return in GTA V but they dont want to admit it, so they say stuff like 'Carl is dead' go look at the easter egg "which say RIP wiz carl" (lol), and even if CJ is dead that still doesnt prove that Families and ballas wont return in GTA V Here's my post from yesterday, it went unanswered because there is no counter to it. Integral means essential or necessary for completeness. Meaning it is not Los Santos if the Families and Ballas aren't present, so 100% integral. This is the first time GTA is returning to a city that Rockstar has already done. Not only have they done it but they've done it with great success. They're not going to remove a KEY COMPONENT that makes that city what it is. The reason I'm having a hard time coming up with the right word for the gangs in LA (and therefore LS) is because they are so important out there. They are a brand, a background character in and of themselves, a main character, a franchise, an infrastructure, a label, a culture, a nation, a religion and a lifestyle all wrapped up into one word. LS without them is like LS without Vinewood, it ceases to be Los Santos if you took out Vinewood, and it would cease to be Los Santos if you took out the Families and Ballas. Maybe this would be a better metaphor. Let's say they included Vinewood, but instead of Vinewood being home of the entertainment industry, no, Rockstar already did that, so now Vinewood is going to be home of the FAST FOOD INDUSTRY!!! So when you go to Vinewood, no big mansions, no movie sets, no agents, no movie stars, no rappers, none of that, it was already done! Now it's Cluckin Bells and Burger Shots and any other fast food joint you could think of in every direction! That's obviously not going to happen and neither is the removal of the two iconic gangs that have been warring for 30 f*cking years! The Families and Ballas are not background characters, they are part of the whole f*ckin city's BACKGROUND STORY! They're part of the SETTING itself! So anyone who thinks Rockstar is just going to get rid of them and undo a major peice of LS's culture/history is either wishful thinking or suffering from a loss of cognitive function! Case in point, this guy above me, Simon, who cannot seem to grasp the FACT that Liberty City (III) and Liberty City (IV) WERE NOT THE SAME CITY NOR DID THEY REPRESENT THE SAME CITY. That, genius, is WHY gangs from LC (III) didn't return in LC (IV). Gangs from Portland Maine, wouldn't show up in Portland Oregon would they????? AMEN BROTHER! Everything you have said is the exact thing that the Sharks are looking over and not realizing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_L1pE_ Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I already posted what I had to post, if you Lions still want to be delusional like that then there's nothing else I can do. Just prepare to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) I already posted what I had to post, if you Lions still want to be delusional like that then there's nothing else I can do. Just prepare to be disappointed. I'm not preparing to be disappointed at all, I'm preparing my smacking hand and stocking up on baby powder. Edited March 6, 2012 by Trideez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 I just updated the map on the first page. It's turning into an ocean of blue for now, but when the game is over the whole map will be red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toniblue Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I'm a 7-8 lion, the grove street famlies and ballas had such a big role in San Andreas that at least the grove would have to be around seeing all the territory they gained(although it has been 10 years and R* can do what ever the f*ck they want so there's really no telling). I've really got no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 I'm a 7-8 lion, the grove street famlies and ballas had such a big role in San Andreas that at least the grove would have to be around seeing all the territory they gained(although it has been 10 years and R* can do what ever the f*ck they want so there's really no telling). I've really got no idea ToniRed! Welcome to the winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! That was a easter egg... If its just a stupid "easter egg" then why didnt they include a picture of Tommy or Clude? Why did they choose CJ instead of them! And why was his name not mentioned in the "RIP Tommy,Clude,Vic Vance" easter egg.. and yes i know 'Carl' was mentioned in that "RIP" easter egg but he didnt have R.I.P before his name like other protagonists! I think this proves that even if CJ doesnt exist Physically in the GTA IV "universe" he is still ALIVE! And he is seen in GTA IV even though he was a VERY important protagonist in the GTA III Era.. So if R* made a refrence to a protagonist in a different "universe" What makes you think they wont include the Families and Ballas (BACKGROUND characters) in GTA V. Okay smart guy. If that picture is truly CJ and he does exist in the IV universe. Then why didn't R conform it, wouldn't you think R would have told us by now? Its a easter egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waitin4gta Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! That was a easter egg... If its just a stupid "easter egg" then why didnt they include a picture of Tommy or Clude? Why did they choose CJ instead of them! And why was his name not mentioned in the "RIP Tommy,Clude,Vic Vance" easter egg.. and yes i know 'Carl' was mentioned in that "RIP" easter egg but he didnt have R.I.P before his name like other protagonists! I think this proves that even if CJ doesnt exist Physically in the GTA IV "universe" he is still ALIVE! And he is seen in GTA IV even though he was a VERY important protagonist in the GTA III Era.. So if R* made a refrence to a protagonist in a different "universe" What makes you think they wont include the Families and Ballas (BACKGROUND characters) in GTA V. Okay smart guy. If that picture is truly CJ and he does exist in the IV universe. Then why didn't R conform it, wouldn't you think R would have told us by now? Its a easter egg. maybe its because they are not telling anything about GTA V yet? have you not been checking that? cause that is what we are all king of waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 kay smart guy. If that picture is truly CJ and he does exist in the IV universe. Then why didn't R conform it, wouldn't you think R would have told us by now? Its a easter egg. I never said that CJ exists physically in the GTA IV "universe", i'm saying if CJ can appear on a poster in the GTA IV era even though he was a protagonist in GTA III era games! What makes you think that BACKGROUND characters like the families and ballas wont PHYSICALLY exist in GTA V, to sum it up: if a protagonist from old GTAs can cross "universes" (even if he didnt appear physically) what makes you think that BACKGROUND characters like families and ballas wont make a return in GTA V PS: Background charatcers can exist in "different Eras" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 kay smart guy. If that picture is truly CJ and he does exist in the IV universe. Then why didn't R conform it, wouldn't you think R would have told us by now? Its a easter egg. I never said that CJ exists physically in the GTA IV "universe", i'm saying if CJ can appear on a poster in the GTA IV era even though he was a protagonist in GTA III era games! What makes you think that BACKGROUND characters like the families and ballas wont PHYSICALLY exist in GTA V, to sum it up: if a protagonist from old GTAs can cross "universes" (even if he didnt appear physically) what makes you think that BACKGROUND characters like families and ballas wont make a return in GTA V PS: Background charatcers can exist in "different Eras" Here's the ultimate point of the whole thing. This is the FIRST TIME Rockstar has EVER returned to a city they've already done before, so these universe freaks don't know what the "rules" are for anything with Los Santos. If there are no Families and Ballas in GTA V, then they would HAVE TO say what happened to them! Where did they go????? One minute they're in a 25+ year war with each other, then the next minute, WHOOPS, GONE! Did they get beamed up by f*cking aliens or something???? They are PART OF THE BACKGROUND/HISTORY of Los Santos, they can't be written out of it any easier than casinos could be written out of Las Venturas! People are f*cking stupid, I tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I already posted what I had to post, if you Lions still want to be delusional like that then there's nothing else I can do. Just prepare to be disappointed. You sharks are so f*cking desperate.. You KNOW the families and ballas will return in GTA V but you dont want to admit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) PS: Background charatcers can exist in "different Eras" Incorrect. Rockstar's quote specifically stated that no characters in previous era's that were rendered in 3D, background or not, can return. What can return in 2D personalities such as Lazlow or Radio Stations. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. Look at it this way: El Burro in GTA 1 was just a voice. He wasn't rendered in 3D, he wasn't walking around giving you missions. He was just simply a voice giving you missions over a pay-phone. El Burro in GTA III was a reference to El Burro from GTA 1. If you've ever played GTA III, you'd know he'd give you missions from a pay-phone in Hepburn Heights. Again, not rendered in 3D. El Burro re-appears as a 2D texture in GTA IV - not a 3D rendered character. The only way El Burro was allowed to safely cross universes is because in all 3 of his appearances, he remained (technically) as a 2D character. That being said; CJ, Sweet, OG Loc, Smoke, Ryder, Claude, Tommy, Mike, Huang, etc. cannot physically appear in GTA V. That would be considered breaking the "universe/era" theory Rockstar has set up. The only way they can appear in GTA V, and just like in GTA IV, is through a 2D texture or voice. That's the only way the can appear without breaking anything. Edited March 6, 2012 by Nigel xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Bill Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I won't bother with the formalities of betting this new account. However i'd say the families and Ballas will return. None of the characters from SA will return, but they will reuse the gang names.. Why wouldn't they? They are supposed to be the bloods and the crips (or a mash-up thereof) and they will obviously feature the south central LA area, so why would the bother coming up with new gang names just to represent the same gangs, when they have perfectly good names already there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) PS: Background charatcers can exist in "different Eras" Incorrect. Rockstar's quote specifically stated that no characters in previous era's that were rendered in 3D, background or not, can return. What can return in 2D personalities such as Lazlow or Radio Stations You will be shocked when you see the families and ballas has returned in GTA V, Families and ballas are not just BACKGROUND characters! They are part of the back story of Los Santos itself, you cant bring back Los Santos without bringing the families and ballas back.. PS: R* NEVER said background characters cant cross "universes" (your quote proves that) Edited March 6, 2012 by Gtaghost22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Back on topic: The wall says RIP WIZ...LMAO @ "Wiz Carl". Who da f*ck is Wiz Carl????? You people are so desperate! Just like you said man.. The Shark are so f*cking desperate! They KNOW the families and Ballas will return in GTA V but they dont want to admit it, so they say stuff like 'Carl is dead' go look at the easter egg "which say RIP wiz carl" (lol), and even if CJ is dead that still doesnt prove that Families and ballas wont return in GTA V Here's my post from yesterday, it went unanswered because there is no counter to it. Integral means essential or necessary for completeness. Meaning it is not Los Santos if the Families and Ballas aren't present, so 100% integral. This is the first time GTA is returning to a city that Rockstar has already done. Not only have they done it but they've done it with great success. They're not going to remove a KEY COMPONENT that makes that city what it is. The reason I'm having a hard time coming up with the right word for the gangs in LA (and therefore LS) is because they are so important out there. They are a brand, a background character in and of themselves, a main character, a franchise, an infrastructure, a label, a culture, a nation, a religion and a lifestyle all wrapped up into one word. LS without them is like LS without Vinewood, it ceases to be Los Santos if you took out Vinewood, and it would cease to be Los Santos if you took out the Families and Ballas. Maybe this would be a better metaphor. Let's say they included Vinewood, but instead of Vinewood being home of the entertainment industry, no, Rockstar already did that, so now Vinewood is going to be home of the FAST FOOD INDUSTRY!!! So when you go to Vinewood, no big mansions, no movie sets, no agents, no movie stars, no rappers, none of that, it was already done! Now it's Cluckin Bells and Burger Shots and any other fast food joint you could think of in every direction! That's obviously not going to happen and neither is the removal of the two iconic gangs that have been warring for 30 f*cking years! The Families and Ballas are not background characters, they are part of the whole f*ckin city's BACKGROUND STORY! They're part of the SETTING itself! So anyone who thinks Rockstar is just going to get rid of them and undo a major peice of LS's culture/history is either wishful thinking or suffering from a loss of cognitive function! Case in point, this guy above me, Simon, who cannot seem to grasp the FACT that Liberty City (III) and Liberty City (IV) WERE NOT THE SAME CITY NOR DID THEY REPRESENT THE SAME CITY. That, genius, is WHY gangs from LC (III) didn't return in LC (IV). Gangs from Portland Maine, wouldn't show up in Portland Oregon would they????? Correct, Trideez. For the most part, Trideez explains how important the Ballas and Families are and why they would not be excluded. He also backs up his claim by defining exactly what the word integral means which I responded: How integral to be exact? So I could scrutinize his meaning as best as I could. Now, considering there has not been an answer to this yet is further evidence the opposing team cannot come up with a vaild solution to this, which means, for now, this is tge BEST answer so far. Now, does everybody remember what Carl was called more and would be used as an identifier the most? If I recall, Carl was only used by Tenpenny in the final mission. All other times, he was referred to as CJ. Now, what was Vercetti's most used name in VC? It wasn't Thomas, it was Tommy, which is clearly indicated on the wall. Not once have I heard someone call CJ "Whiz Carl". That to me looks like the opposite team "clutching at straws" IMO. Case in point, if they were trying to imply that CJ was dead, they would use an identifier that fans would easily identify with, which is "CJ" instead of Carl IMO. If you think of the protagonist from San Andreas, do you refer to him or identify him as Carl or more appropriately CJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalbagge Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Voted 7-8 Lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 PS: Background charatcers can exist in "different Eras" Incorrect. Rockstar's quote specifically stated that no characters in previous era's that were rendered in 3D, background or not, can return. What can return in 2D personalities such as Lazlow or Radio Stations. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. Look at it this way: El Burro in GTA 1 was just a voice. He wasn't rendered in 3D, he wasn't walking around giving you missions. He was just simply a voice giving you missions over a pay-phone. El Burro in GTA III was a reference to El Burro from GTA 1. If you've ever played GTA III, you'd know he'd give you missions from a pay-phone in Hepburn Heights. Again, not rendered in 3D. El Burro re-appears as a 2D texture in GTA IV - not a 3D rendered character. The only way El Burro was allowed to safely cross universes is because in all 3 of his appearances, he remained (technically) as a 2D character. That being said; CJ, Sweet, OG Loc, Smoke, Ryder, Claude, Tommy, Mike, Huang, etc. cannot physically appear in GTA V. That would be considered breaking the "universe/era" theory Rockstar has set up. The only way they can appear in GTA V, and just like in GTA IV, is through a 2D texture or voice. That's the only way the can appear without breaking anything. ALL GOOD POINTS! But... If you have read my previous posts, you would see that there is a paradox, which I believe I've dubbed "The Rockstar Paradox", which simply means: Rockstar are the creators; therefore, THEY can choose to either follow their set of defined rules (Nigel) or defy their own rule and do something that contradicts the "universe theory" (Trideez). Now, Nigel, what are you trying to say? CJ, Sweet, Smoke, and Ryder were all CHARACTERS. Are you saying that just because these characters are "in the Grove" that the Families cannot exist? I say absurd simply because the whole point of this "debate" is the fact the Families and Ballas will return, but we are more focused on the ped models than the main characters. The ped models being the gang members that appeared, as part of the BACKGROUND, and had nothing else to do outside the story. They only became important to the story in missions. Outside of them, they were mostly for the background to give the atmosphere of LA, where Trideez claims would make sense. All in all, I can see the physical gang returning simply because they did not play a big role until the missions, and considering the fact that R* can combine the "universe theory and bend it at the same time. The Families and Ballas can return BUT will be completely redesigned and totally different than their past selves but SRILL be named Ballas/Families. If you still need more clarity, I'll edit this. Don't rely on this "universe theory" as if it were the holy Grail! Yes! R* defined the logic they are using SO FAR, BUT don't HAVE TO stick to it! III-LC to IV-LC is a terrible example, and it's the only one we have to base on; III-LS to V-LS is the first time the "universe theory" has a chance to be broken. Regardless, we'll get nothing but good put of this debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThEtRuThSANANDREAS69 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 PS: Background charatcers can exist in "different Eras" Incorrect. Rockstar's quote specifically stated that no characters in previous era's that were rendered in 3D, background or not, can return. What can return in 2D personalities such as Lazlow or Radio Stations. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. Look at it this way: El Burro in GTA 1 was just a voice. He wasn't rendered in 3D, he wasn't walking around giving you missions. He was just simply a voice giving you missions over a pay-phone. El Burro in GTA III was a reference to El Burro from GTA 1. If you've ever played GTA III, you'd know he'd give you missions from a pay-phone in Hepburn Heights. Again, not rendered in 3D. El Burro re-appears as a 2D texture in GTA IV - not a 3D rendered character. The only way El Burro was allowed to safely cross universes is because in all 3 of his appearances, he remained (technically) as a 2D character. That being said; CJ, Sweet, OG Loc, Smoke, Ryder, Claude, Tommy, Mike, Huang, etc. cannot physically appear in GTA V. That would be considered breaking the "universe/era" theory Rockstar has set up. The only way they can appear in GTA V, and just like in GTA IV, is through a 2D texture or voice. That's the only way the can appear without breaking anything. But theyre NOT CHARACTERS, THEYRE GANGS. That f*cking rule doesn't apply here, those gangs are more than a "background character" they're a part of los santos. Like ganton is. Like vinewood is. I know trideez has said it a thousand times but no one listens to logic apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Voted 7-8 Lions Welcome to the Winner Gang... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Voted 7-8 Lions Welcome to the Winner Gang... Alright, will you and Trideez KINDLY stop saying that? "Winning team, winners, and making it sound like you know that facts?" At this point NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE! Stop making the Lions look bad! Because, IF the sharks are right, the consequences will come back TENFOLD! I'd rather be ridiculed for being wrong than sounding like a f*ckin' know it all until it is revealed we were 100% false or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Voted 7-8 Lions Welcome to the Winner Gang... Alright, will you and Trideez KINDLY stop saying that? "Winning team, winners, and making it sound like you know that facts?" At this point NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE! Stop making the Lions look bad! Because, IF the sharks are right, the consequences will come back TENFOLD! I'd rather be ridiculed for being wrong than sounding like a f*ckin' know it all until it is revealed we were 100% false or something! I was just joking... I'm not 100% sure if we will Win this bet or not, i'm just trying to be positive! Sorry if that bothered you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) Voted 7-8 Lions Welcome to the Winner Gang... Alright, will you and Trideez KINDLY stop saying that? "Winning team, winners, and making it sound like you know that facts?" At this point NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE! Stop making the Lions look bad! Because, IF the sharks are right, the consequences will come back TENFOLD! I'd rather be ridiculed for being wrong than sounding like a f*ckin' know it all until it is revealed we were 100% false or something! I was just joking... I'm not 100% sure if we will Win this bet or not, i was just trying to be positive! Sorry if that bothered you It bothers me only because of the #FACT that neither the Sharks or the Lions (regardless of how "sure" Trideez is) KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS! There are so many ways it can go it isn't even funny anymore! Seriously, whatever Rockstar does here may define the solid set of rules that they follow for past games or it will prove that they can and will defy their own rules and change things up. Either way, I'm happy to be a part and a contributor to this topic and thread, as only important information can come out of it! EDIT: @ Trideez and 7-8 Lions: "I respect the 'gang' but no one knows for sure! There is a possibility that the 1% that the Sharks have (according to the Lions and Trideez) CAN COME TRUE!" Edited March 6, 2012 by SGT. Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThEtRuThSANANDREAS69 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Voted 7-8 Lions Welcome to the Winner Gang... Alright, will you and Trideez KINDLY stop saying that? "Winning team, winners, and making it sound like you know that facts?" At this point NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE! Stop making the Lions look bad! Because, IF the sharks are right, the consequences will come back TENFOLD! I'd rather be ridiculed for being wrong than sounding like a f*ckin' know it all until it is revealed we were 100% false or something! Its a GANG WAR, if you lose you lose, we all know what we signed up for. They deserve to rip us a new one if they win and vice versa. either way those sharks are gonna jump on YOU the most; you betrayed them lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Voted 7-8 Lions Welcome to the Winner Gang... Alright, will you and Trideez KINDLY stop saying that? "Winning team, winners, and making it sound like you know that facts?" At this point NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE! Stop making the Lions look bad! Because, IF the sharks are right, the consequences will come back TENFOLD! I'd rather be ridiculed for being wrong than sounding like a f*ckin' know it all until it is revealed we were 100% false or something! Its a GANG WAR, if you lose you lose, we all know what we signed up for. They deserve to rip us a new one if they win and vice versa. either way those sharks are gonna jump on YOU the most; you betrayed them lol. This conondrum is really starting to take a toll on my sanity and patience. We have broken it down piece by piece, fact by fact, theory by theory, and STILL there is no clear winner. It is just starting to become rehashed ideas now, and I'm slowly becoming annoyed by it. That's just me, BTW. I'm still a Lion as the theories put forth by Trideez ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE if you think about it from all sides, not just from one side. The only reason I "betrayed" the sharks is because Trideez won the argument between him and I by convincing me that the Ballas and Families would return. What I don't understand is: ARE WE REFERRING TO THE PED MODELS THAT WALK AROUND OUTSIDE OF MISSIONS OR THE ACTUAL MEMBERS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL GANG RETURNING? This is where I think people are getting confused! ARE WE REFERRING TO THESE: (NUMBER 1) OR THESE: (NUMBER 2) (Used as a pair with Grove Street Main Characters) WHEN WE REFER TO "BALLAS/FAMILIES"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 ^^^Try to bring some clarity to this "debate" and I get bupkis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscoLehGo Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Well I look at is more of a ped presence than a storyline presence and perhaps some nonlinear side missions that you can do with the gangs that involve empire building type activities. Brokering deals with them to sell your product, gaining their respect or admiration by lending help with a rival gang etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrinPA Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 @ Sgt. Johnson - This is why I'm not voting, it's too vague. To me, even graffiti would show that Ballas or Families exist in V. But I don't make the rules here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. Johnson Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 @ Sgt. Johnson - This is why I'm not voting, it's too vague. To me, even graffiti would show that Ballas or Families exist in V. But I don't make the rules here. I honestly don't care, atp, because I'm screwed either way! (Read previous posts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti27 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 sign up another 7-8 Lions over here nigga. please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waitin4gta Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 SGT. you are my hero! You have brought up what I have been trying to say since day one that: The gangs will return! Just because CJ, Sweet, and the other guys won't return doesn't mean that the gangs won't! The gangs such as Bloods/Crips and Ballas/Families are a critical piece of LA/LS history and it would not be the same place without them. The fact of the matter is that this has turned into a debate over characters returning... which is not what we started this over, it is still over the gangs. That is what the Sharks are not seeing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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