Trideez Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I honestly don't remember saying Easter Eggs count. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that because I would consider it a total loss. There will be Families and Ballas, wearing green and purple, in the streets, period. How do I know? BECAUSE IT'S LOS SANTOS and they are integral to it. How integral to be exact? Integral means essential or necessary for completeness. Meaning it is not Los Santos if the Families and Ballas aren't present, so 100% integral. This is the first time GTA is returning to a city that Rockstar has already done. Not only have they done it but they've done it with great success. They're not going to remove a KEY COMPONENT that makes that city what it is. The reason I'm having a hard time coming up with the right word for the gangs in LA (and therefore LS) is because they are so important out there. They are a brand, a background character in and of themselves, a main character, a franchise, an infrastructure, a label, a culture, a nation, a religion and a lifestyle all wrapped up into one word. LS without them is like LS without Vinewood, it ceases to be Los Santos if you took out Vinewood, and it would cease to be Los Santos if you took out the Families and Ballas. Maybe this would be a better metaphor. Let's say they included Vinewood, but instead of Vinewood being home of the entertainment industry, no, Rockstar already did that, so now Vinewood is going to be home of the FAST FOOD INDUSTRY!!! So when you go to Vinewood, no big mansions, no movie sets, no agents, no movie stars, no rappers, none of that, it was already done! Now it's Cluckin Bells and Burger Shots and any other fast food joint you could think of in every direction! That's obviously not going to happen and neither is the removal of the two iconic gangs that have been warring for 30 f*cking years! The Families and Ballas are not background characters, they are part of the whole f*ckin city's BACKGROUND STORY! They're part of the SETTING itself! So anyone who thinks Rockstar is just going to get rid of them and undo a major peice of LS's culture/history is either wishful thinking or suffering from a loss of cognitive function! Case in point, this guy above me, Simon, who cannot seem to grasp the FACT that Liberty City (III) and Liberty City (IV) WERE NOT THE SAME CITY NOR DID THEY REPRESENT THE SAME CITY. That, genius, is WHY gangs from LC (III) didn't return in LC (IV). Gangs from Portland Maine, wouldn't show up in Portland Oregon would they????? Edited March 5, 2012 by Trideez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewstinian Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. Prepare to lose this bet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaplayaminigun Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I don't think anything other than an easter egg will be there about the other gangs. So, The back alley sharks for life N*ggaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isuck100% Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Back Alley Sharks 4 Life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA-Fan-1 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The Back Alley Sharks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_L1pE_ Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. Prepare to lose this bet.. I don't know how you can be so sure that you will win when all you have going for yourselves is wishful thinking that goes against R*'s word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. Prepare to lose this bet.. I don't know how you can be so sure that you will win when all you have going for yourselves is wishful thinking that goes against R*'s word R* never said GTA III era BACKGROUND characters cant return in the GTA IV "universe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_L1pE_ Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. Prepare to lose this bet.. I don't know how you can be so sure that you will win when all you have going for yourselves is wishful thinking that goes against R*'s word R* never said GTA III era BACKGROUND characters cant return in the GTA IV "universe" They're not background characters, they were VERY important to the story of SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 They're not background characters, they were VERY important to the story of SA. "You cant have Los Santos without having the Families and ballas" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThEtRuThSANANDREAS69 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Here's my theory from a while back: Like I said in a similar thread: GTA 1, 1969, 1961, and 2 take place in the 2D universe. GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, LCS, VCS take place in the 3D universe. GTA IV, TLaD, BoGT, and (possibly) GTA V takes place in the HD universe. Am I Rockstar? No. Do I listen to what they confirm and don't? Yes. They've repeatedly stated that games that are separated via era's, are in fact in different universes and the only thing that's allowed to "cross" universes are 2D things such as radio stations, background characters (as in "not important to any game or any plot"), ads, and companies. Hence why Liberty City in IV looks nothing like Liberty City in III, or why Los Santos in V looks nothing like Los Santos in San Andreas. But you may ask "WEL Y IZ CJ ON DAT BILLBOARD IN IV??/" Because my friend, CJ is represented as a picture on a 2D advertisement. He is in no way in 3D, able to interact with your character. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. I can't stress that above quote from Rockstar enough. It basically states flat out the rules of the universes and who's allowed to cross over or not. Also, I can pretty much confirm for you that even if the universes didn't exist, that none of the characters would be returning due to this easter egg which confirms they all died: oh and.. These settings are commonly referred to "universes", which, in all the games from Grand Theft Auto III onward, has been depicted as an island of sorts with a particular climate. In San Andreas's case, these climates actually consist of multiple "microclimates" each drastically different than one another. When Niko Bellic flew from Liberty City to San Andreas, he traveled through the "ultraverse" to the GTA V universe. Now please for the sake of GTA fans and fourmers alike, drop the theories about how characters can cross universes or how universes don't really exist because the game takes place "on earth". I don't care if you theorize about May 24 or Ned Luke or whatever, but don't try to disprove a theory set out and stated by Rockstar themselves. They've confirmed multiple times that everything is separated. No one can cross universes. They're constricted to their own. "Don't cross the streams" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol232 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Erm... Can I change from I don't bang to a gang, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebby Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Erm...Can I change from I don't bang to a gang, please? Once you're in - there's no going back. On a side note - if the Balla's do in fact come back, but Grove doesn't... The Back Alley Shark's can still live their peace among the forum considering the deal was that if they both come back - we would have to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_L1pE_ Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 They're not background characters, they were VERY important to the story of SA. "You cant have Los Santos without having the Families and ballas" That quote means nothing, it is pure opinion said by no one important, it would make way more sense if it was "you can't have a Los Angeles parody without a Bloods and Crips parody", and we're getting a parody of them just not the same as the ones from old Los Santos from GTA SA which is totally different from GTA V's Los Santos because they are in separate universes, the Families and Ballas were too important to SA's story to be simply labeled as background characters, and so won't return. I also don't understand why it's so important for you, it's probably not gonna change much, just the names and possibly the colors so they can be different from SA's LS renditions, they're still gonna be Bloods and Crips parodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! That was a easter egg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! That was a easter egg... If its just a stupid "easter egg" then why didnt they include a picture of Tommy or Clude? Why did they choose CJ instead of them! And why was his name not mentioned in the "RIP Tommy,Clude,Vic Vance" easter egg.. and yes i know 'Carl' was mentioned in that "RIP" easter egg but he didnt have R.I.P before his name like other protagonists! I think this proves that even if CJ doesnt exist Physically in the GTA IV "universe" he is still ALIVE! And he is seen in GTA IV even though he was a VERY important protagonist in the GTA III Era.. So if R* made a refrence to a protagonist in a different "universe" What makes you think they wont include the Families and Ballas (BACKGROUND characters) in GTA V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_L1pE_ Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! That was a easter egg... If its just a stupid "easter egg" then why didnt they include a picture of Tommy or Clude? Why did they choose CJ instead of them! And why was his name not mentioned in the "RIP Tommy,Clude,Vic Vance" easter egg.. and yes i know 'Carl' was mentioned in that "RIP" easter egg but he didnt have R.I.P before his name like other protagonists! I think this proves that even if CJ doesnt exist Physically in the GTA IV "universe" he is still ALIVE! And he is seen in GTA IV even though he was a VERY important protagonist in the GTA III Era.. So if R* made a refrence to a protagonist in a different "universe" What makes you think they wont include the Families and Ballas (BACKGROUND characters) in GTA V. Now you're really pushing it, btw read Nigel's post. Edited March 5, 2012 by _L1pE_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Now you're really pushing it, btw read Nigel's post. I think you didnt understand my post.. I'm not saying CJ will return in GTA V, i'm saying R* cant bring CJ back in GTA V becuase he a GTA III era protagonist thats why they made that easter egg about him in GTA IV, but they DIDNT mention the families and ballas in GTA IV.. Why?? Becuase they dont want them to exist as a mention/easter egg only! They are going to bring them back in GTA V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Santos Pedestrian Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Trideezs post about cj should end this. I will bet again that cj wont make an appearance, but as trideez said, he's alive and well in the four universe, JUST AS MUCH AS LAZLOW. So what's to say the grove isn't still around? There leader is. Rockstar are f*cking geniuses, its the perfect scenario for a return, you will see sharks! That was a easter egg... If its just a stupid "easter egg" then why didnt they include a picture of Tommy or Clude? Why did they choose CJ instead of them! And why was his name not mentioned in the "RIP Tommy,Clude,Vic Vance" easter egg.. and yes i know 'Carl' was mentioned in that "RIP" easter egg but he didnt have R.I.P before his name like other protagonists! I think this proves that even if CJ doesnt exist Physically in the GTA IV "universe" he is still ALIVE! And he is seen in GTA IV even though he was a VERY important protagonist in the GTA III Era.. So if R* made a refrence to a protagonist in a different "universe" What makes you think they wont include the Families and Ballas (BACKGROUND characters) in GTA V. No, the easter egg graffiti says 'RIP WIZ CARL' which I don't know what the 'wiz' part means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_L1pE_ Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Now you're really pushing it, btw read Nigel's post. I think you didnt understand my post.. I'm not saying CJ will return in GTA V, i'm saying R* cant bring CJ back in GTA V becuase he a GTA III era protagonist thats why they made that easter egg about him in GTA IV, but they DIDNT mention the families and ballas in GTA IV.. Why?? Becuase they dont want them to exist as a mention/easter egg only! They are going to bring them back in GTA V Nigel's post covers that as well, as does my post in which I responded to your quote, Ballas and Families are not background characters, they were much more important than that to SA, and so won't return, I'm not gonna repeat this anymore than I already did, so if you want to set yourself up for disappointment, then go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waitin4gta Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yeah I remember that, however that's just an Easter Egg, he never returns in person or is mentioned anywhere else, and the only place that mentions his name is in that other well known easter with the names of various other protagonist with sayings of "RIP" and stuff, that would be like mentioning the Ballas and Families in a graffiti tags somewhere in the game, which I think will probably happen, but the gangs themselves won't come back. Also, the universe theory isn't ours, it's R*'s. And 7-8 Lions member Sargent Johnson was the one that told everyone that clearly. Not only that but I'm pretty sure that: If the Ballas/Families return as an EASTER EGG, the Lions win as well. If that's the case, then the Sharks are foolish to say that those two gangs won't at least return as Easter Eggs. @Trideez, interesting point about CJ; however, he is being shown in III-era San Andreas on a TV in IV. Different graphics, therefore STILL different universes I think. But yes; proof CJ is alive and well. His name missing on the "RIP wall" confirms this. Yeah easter eggs, not fully. Difference. Look closely. Look for the one that says "CARL". where it says "Carl" it has no RIP it says what would be to the left/above depending on how you look at it, it says RIP "Wiz" and even the RIP is missing an "I" this wall tells nothing about CJ being dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Santos Pedestrian Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 where it says "Carl" it has no RIP it says what would be to the left/above depending on how you look at it, it says RIP "Wiz" and even the RIP is missing an "I" this wall tells nothing about CJ being dead Uhh, no. The RIP's I is shorter than the other two letters but is visible in the above picture. Face it, CJ isn't returning and you HAVE to deal with it, whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waitin4gta Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 where it says "Carl" it has no RIP it says what would be to the left/above depending on how you look at it, it says RIP "Wiz" and even the RIP is missing an "I" this wall tells nothing about CJ being dead Uhh, no. The RIP's I is shorter than the other two letters but is visible in the above picture. Face it, CJ isn't returning and you HAVE to deal with it, whether you like it or not. i looked at it the same way as you in the view image way. and i dont see an "I" personally and how do you explain the Wiz? also i dont necessarily want CJ back just the gangs! that is what we are debating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I cleaned up the "RIP Wiz Carl" for you guys and rotated it - for reference science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Face it, CJ isn't returning and you HAVE to deal with it, whether you like it or not. We know that CJ wont return in GTA V, but the gangs will.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. A digital smacking or two?? Two thousand maybe. I'm gonna smack every shark I ever see post anything. Back on topic: The wall says RIP WIZ...LMAO @ "Wiz Carl". Who da f*ck is Wiz Carl????? You people are so desperate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waitin4gta Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm going to have to go for the Back Alley Sharks. I can take a digital smacking or two :3. A digital smacking or two?? Two thousand maybe. I'm gonna smack every shark I ever see post anything. Back on topic: The wall says RIP WIZ...LMAO @ "Wiz Carl". Who da f*ck is Wiz Carl????? You people are so desperate! Thank You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Back on topic: The wall says RIP WIZ...LMAO @ "Wiz Carl". Who da f*ck is Wiz Carl????? You people are so desperate! Just like you said man.. The Shark are so f*cking desperate! They KNOW the families and Ballas will return in GTA V but they dont want to admit it, so they say stuff like 'Carl is dead' go look at the easter egg "which say RIP wiz carl" (lol), and even if CJ is dead that still doesnt prove that Families and ballas wont return in GTA V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trideez Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Back on topic: The wall says RIP WIZ...LMAO @ "Wiz Carl". Who da f*ck is Wiz Carl????? You people are so desperate! Just like you said man.. The Shark are so f*cking desperate! They KNOW the families and Ballas will return in GTA V but they dont want to admit it, so they say stuff like 'Carl is dead' go look at the easter egg "which say RIP wiz carl" (lol), and even if CJ is dead that still doesnt prove that Families and ballas wont return in GTA V Here's my post from yesterday, it went unanswered because there is no counter to it. Integral means essential or necessary for completeness. Meaning it is not Los Santos if the Families and Ballas aren't present, so 100% integral. This is the first time GTA is returning to a city that Rockstar has already done. Not only have they done it but they've done it with great success. They're not going to remove a KEY COMPONENT that makes that city what it is. The reason I'm having a hard time coming up with the right word for the gangs in LA (and therefore LS) is because they are so important out there. They are a brand, a background character in and of themselves, a main character, a franchise, an infrastructure, a label, a culture, a nation, a religion and a lifestyle all wrapped up into one word. LS without them is like LS without Vinewood, it ceases to be Los Santos if you took out Vinewood, and it would cease to be Los Santos if you took out the Families and Ballas. Maybe this would be a better metaphor. Let's say they included Vinewood, but instead of Vinewood being home of the entertainment industry, no, Rockstar already did that, so now Vinewood is going to be home of the FAST FOOD INDUSTRY!!! So when you go to Vinewood, no big mansions, no movie sets, no agents, no movie stars, no rappers, none of that, it was already done! Now it's Cluckin Bells and Burger Shots and any other fast food joint you could think of in every direction! That's obviously not going to happen and neither is the removal of the two iconic gangs that have been warring for 30 f*cking years! The Families and Ballas are not background characters, they are part of the whole f*ckin city's BACKGROUND STORY! They're part of the SETTING itself! So anyone who thinks Rockstar is just going to get rid of them and undo a major peice of LS's culture/history is either wishful thinking or suffering from a loss of cognitive function! Case in point, this guy above me, Simon, who cannot seem to grasp the FACT that Liberty City (III) and Liberty City (IV) WERE NOT THE SAME CITY NOR DID THEY REPRESENT THE SAME CITY. That, genius, is WHY gangs from LC (III) didn't return in LC (IV). Gangs from Portland Maine, wouldn't show up in Portland Oregon would they????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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