Returning Gangs

[SGT. Johnson]

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

[The Made Man]

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

Agreed.

[Trideez]

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

Well I'm not a mafia expert but I'm pretty sure there are 5 Famiies (Mafia Families, not Green wearing Families). So we don't know if the Leones existed in GTA IV or not, we just know we didn't deal with them.

[GarrowsKai]

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

Well I'm not a mafia expert but I'm pretty sure there are 5 Famiies (Mafia Families, not Green wearing Families). So we don't know if the Leones existed in GTA IV or not, we just know we didn't deal with them.

Pavano, Lupisella, Gambetti, Messina, Ancelotti were the 5 families of Liberty City and the Pegorinos were the Alderney family who wanted to join the commission (Cosa Nostra) in IV.

[EscoLehGo]

 

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

Well I think what Trideez is saying is that you can't have a fictional LA without a fictional blood and crip vicious rivalry (as well as other gangs of course) and that rockstar has already set a standard with these two gangs by using the ballas and families so its probable that a modern day version of them will appear, maybe not completely the same as before but definitely recognizable in terms of appearance. You could compare that to the presence of the Italian mafia im every gta universe, although the names change, everything else remains rather consistent. I'm not saying the ballas and families will be back, I'm just comprehending Trideez's argument because it's not a bad one. If rockstar brought them back I'm sure they'd do it the right way

[SGT. Johnson]

@Trideez, you don't have to be a Mafia/Mob expert.

 

Just because you help contribute to the "life" of this topic here:

 

List of ALL GTA IV gangs.

 

Scroll down to where it says "The Italian Mafia".

 

NOTE: Remember what I was saying about the "sets" of the Triads (Lee set, Jaoming set, Ming set)? Well if you are interested, this LIST I've provided lists those sets under the "Algonquin Triads".

[The Made Man]

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

Well I'm not a mafia expert but I'm pretty sure there are 5 Famiies (Mafia Families, not Green wearing Families). So we don't know if the Leones existed in GTA IV or not, we just know we didn't deal with them.

There were just 3 major mafia families in 3 era and that's it. The 5 families in IV have nothing to do or in common with the families in 3 era. The 5 families in IV were obviously based off the real life 5 families in nyc. The pegorino family was based of a mafia crime family in new jersey(forgot which name).

 

They had nothing in common with 3 era families

 

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

So Trideez I take it you feel as though the families and ballas are a permanent placement in Los Santos, much like the name itself and that's why they should be able to transcend universes. Sort of like how in GTA 3 the italian mafia played a major part and although a few names and characters were changed they also played a big part in the reimagined version of Liberty City

Yes, however, they were not named the Leone Family or any other by that matter, which is what my bet consists of.

If thats the case then logically in Liberty City Stories and GTA III- the Leones would of had to fight the other 5 families (Gambettis, Messinas, Lupisellas, Pavanos and Ancellotis) for control of the city. This didn't happen. Nor were they even mentioned. Thus using another peice of evidence to back up the different universe/era thing.

[The Made Man]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

[EscoLehGo]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Yea but the gist of it all was the same, things only tightened up a little and became much more realistic in IV

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Exactly the point I wanted to make.

[The Made Man]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Yea but the gist of it all was the same, things only tightened up a little and became much more realistic in IV

In GTA 3, not at all. But in lcs, they tried to expand of the 3 families a bit.

[SGT. Johnson]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Yea but the gist of it all was the same, things only tightened up a little and became much more realistic in IV

In GTA 3, not at all. But in lcs, they tried to expand of the 3 families a bit.

In LCS, you had a much more in depth look at the Leones and the other gangs to an extent. For instance, you learned how the Diablos gained the Leone's turf near the Red Light District.

[EscoLehGo]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Yea but the gist of it all was the same, things only tightened up a little and became much more realistic in IV

In GTA 3, not at all. But in lcs, they tried to expand of the 3 families a bit.

How were they so different? it's still the somewhat stereotypical mafia thing, just with different names and more depth in IV

[The Made Man]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Yea but the gist of it all was the same, things only tightened up a little and became much more realistic in IV

In GTA 3, not at all. But in lcs, they tried to expand of the 3 families a bit.

How were they so different? it's still the somewhat stereotypical mafia thing, just with different names and more depth in IV

Um GTA IV had a more realistic view of the real life NYC mafia families. 3 era liberty city was barely based of NYC. The sindacco family wasn't even from LC, but LV. There is no mafia family in nyc that's from Los Vegas.

 

The only game in the 3 era that tried to go in depth with the mafia families was LCS.

[Trideez]

GTA III's Liberty City and GTA IV's Liberty City are not the same place. They're like Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine.

[EscoLehGo]

There wasn't even a 5 family cosa nostra or commission in the 3 era.

Yea but the gist of it all was the same, things only tightened up a little and became much more realistic in IV

In GTA 3, not at all. But in lcs, they tried to expand of the 3 families a bit.

How were they so different? it's still the somewhat stereotypical mafia thing, just with different names and more depth in IV

Um GTA IV had a more realistic view of the real life NYC mafia families. 3 era liberty city was barely based of NYC. The sindacco family wasn't even from LC, but LV. There is no mafia family in nyc that's from Los Vegas.

 

The only game in the 3 era that tried to go in depth with the mafia families was LCS.

Um, you basically just repeated what I already questioned. The gist of the mafia remains the same through different gta universes with varying degrees of realism. I was trying to make a comparison with how the mafia transcends universes in different forms so it wouldn't be too far fetched for ls street gangs to do the same, albeit with more realism and maybe a few minor changes in history or name

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

Looking through all of this I have only 1 question.

Why the hell is it so hard to understand and accept that GTA IV & V are in a seperate universe to GTA III, VC, SA, LCS and VCS?

[SGT. Johnson]

Alright. Let me get one thing straight; after the posts and information provided to me in this topic, I now know that there re sets in LS. I also know now that there is a huge Blood/Crip rivalry that has been going on for quite a long time. There is no way that R* will overllok that unless it is not so important. Second, I'm confident that the Blood/Crip gangs representations will return, but they will not be NAMED Families and Ballas.

 

@Trideez, the bet is "I say they won't have the name of Ballas/Fmailies" and you are "they will have the name Ballas and Families"?

 

Clothing color is out or that too?

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

Alright. Let me get one thing straight; after the posts and information provided to me in this topic, I now know that there re sets in LS. I also know now that there is a huge Blood/Crip rivalry that has been going on for quite a long time. There is no way that R* will overllok that unless it is not so important. Second, I'm confident that the Blood/Crip gangs representations will return, but they will not be NAMED Families and Ballas.

 

@Trideez, the bet is "I say they won't have the name of Ballas/Fmailies" and you are "they will have the name Ballas and Families"?

 

Clothing color is out or that too?

Yes this is 100% right.

Although looking on the Beta releases section on the GTA wiki I noticed that the beta names for the Families was "The Orange Grove Families" and for the Balls it was "The Flats".

Although highly unlikely (because they want to seperate the universes/eras as much as possible) they may use these names for new gangs.

[SGT. Johnson]

Alright. Let me get one thing straight; after the posts and information provided to me in this topic, I now know that there re sets in LS. I also know now that there is a huge Blood/Crip rivalry that has been going on for quite a long time. There is no way that R* will overllok that unless it is not so important. Second, I'm confident that the Blood/Crip gangs representations will return, but they will not be NAMED Families and Ballas.

 

@Trideez, the bet is "I say they won't have the name of Ballas/Fmailies" and you are "they will have the name Ballas and Families"?

 

Clothing color is out or that too?

Yes this is 100% right.

Although looking on the Beta releases section on the GTA wiki I noticed that the beta names for the Families was "The Orange Grove Families" and for the Balls it was "The Flats".

Although highly unlikely (because they want to seperate the universes/eras as much as possible) they may use these names for new gangs.

Hmm, that is a possibility if they change the names.

 

Now, would the name "Ornage Grove Families" account for ALL of the gangs and their sets? Or are the Temple and Seville Boulevard Families still different?

 

The Ballas becoming the Flats? Intersting name, especially since most of the turf in SA they had was flat.

[Trideez]

Alright. Let me get one thing straight; after the posts and information provided to me in this topic, I now know that there re sets in LS. I also know now that there is a huge Blood/Crip rivalry that has been going on for quite a long time. There is no way that R* will overllok that unless it is not so important. Second, I'm confident that the Blood/Crip gangs representations will return, but they will not be NAMED Families and Ballas.

 

@Trideez, the bet is "I say they won't have the name of Ballas/Fmailies" and you are "they will have the name Ballas and Families"?

 

Clothing color is out or that too?

I'm betting that there will be gangstas wearing green and calling themselves Families and gangstas wearing purple that call themselves Ballas. And I'm expecting there will be many sets of both.

[SGT. Johnson]

Alright. Let me get one thing straight; after the posts and information provided to me in this topic, I now know that there re sets in LS. I also know now that there is a huge Blood/Crip rivalry that has been going on for quite a long time. There is no way that R* will overllok that unless it is not so important. Second, I'm confident that the Blood/Crip gangs representations will return, but they will not be NAMED Families and Ballas.

 

@Trideez, the bet is "I say they won't have the name of Ballas/Fmailies" and you are "they will have the name Ballas and Families"?

 

Clothing color is out or that too?

I'm betting that there will be gangstas wearing green and calling themselves Families and gangstas wearing purple that call themselves Ballas. And I'm expecting there will be many sets of both.

Alright. I'm betting that there will be gangs that resmeble the old Families and Ballas BUT will have DIFFERENT clothing and DIFFERENT names.

 

Now, what happens if the names are different but the colors are not? What if the Ballas go by "The Flats" but are still wearing purple? And what if the Families go by "Green Vineyard Families" (not the best example) but are still wearing green?

 

What then? Tha names are not the same but the colors are.

[Trideez]

Here is a list of Crip sets in JUST South Central LA, this is not including Compton, Inglewood, Long Beach, and other places.

 

1.101 Crip Gang

2. 3rd Street Crips [defunct]

3. A Line Crips [defunct]

4.Avalon 40′s Crips

5. Avalon Gangster Crips, 53

6. Avalon Ganster Crips, 116

7. Avalon Garden Crips, 88

8. Back Street Crips

9. Beach Town Mafia Crips

10. Bedrock Gangster Crips

11. Bible Crips [defunct]

12. Born To Jacc Crips 73rdst [defunct]

13. Broadway Gangster Crips, 112

14. Broadway Gangster Crips, 52

15. Burnside Avenue Crip Gang

16. By Yourself Hustler Crips

17. Colden Avenue Gangster [defunct]

18. Compton Avenue Crips, 95

19. Dirty Old Man Gang [defunct]

20. Dodge City Crips

21. DSHC 91st

22. East Coast Block Crips, Q102

23. East Coast Crips, 1st Street [defunct]

24. East Coast Crips, 118

25. East Coast Crips, 59

26. East Coast Crips, 62 NHC

27. East Coast Crips, 66

28. East Coast Crips, 68

29. East Coast Crips, 69 Shack Boys

30. East Coast Crips, 97

31. East Side Hustler Crips 104, 108

32. East Side Hustler Crips 115,118

33. East Side Players, 97

34. East Side Ridas, 64

35. East Side Ridaz, 59

36. Four Duece (42) Crip Gang (w/s)

37. Four Line Drive Crips

38. Front Street Crips

39. Fudge Town Mafia Crips, 105, 107

40. Gangster Crips, 42(es)

41. Gangster Crips, 43

42. Gangster Crips, 43 South Side

43. Gangster Crips, 47

44. Gangster Crips, 48

45. Gangster Crips, 83

46. Gangster Crips, 87

47. Gangster Crips, 73 (w/s) [defunct]

48. Gangster Crips, 96

49. Gangster Crips, 97

50. Gangster, Hoover, 52

51. Geer Gang Crips

52. Grape Street Watts

53. Harbor City Crips

54. Hard Time Hustler Crips, 88, 93

55. Hard Time Hustler Crips, 78

 

56. Hickery Street Watts Crip

57. Holmes Town Crips, 97

58. Home Boys Crimino Gang [defunct]

59.Homes Side Hustler Gang (HSHG)

60. Hoover, 107

61. Hoover, 112

62. Hoover, 43 [defunct]

63. Hoover, 59

64. Hoover, 74

65. Hoover, 83

66. Hoover, 92

67. Hoover, 94

68. Hustler Crips, 73

69. Kitchen Crips, 116

70. Kitchen Crips, 95

71. Main Street Crips

72. Main Street Mafia Crips

73. MansField Gangster Crips

74. Marvin Gangsters

75. Menlo Gangster Crips, 65

76. Most Valuable Pimp Gangster Crip

77. Neighbor Hood 90 Crips

78. Neighbor Hood Crips, 106

79. Neighbor Hood Crips, 111

80.Neighbor Hood Crips, 112

81. Neighbor Hood Crips, 46

82. Neighbor Hood Crips, 55

83. Neighbor Hood Crips, 57

84. Neighbor Hood Crips, 59

85. Neighbor Hood Crips, 67

86. Neighbor Hood Crips, Lynwood

87. Nothing But Trouble Halldale Crip, 51

88. Original Valley Gangster Crip

89. Pimp Town Murder Squad [defunct]

90. PJ Watts Crips

91. Play Boy Gangster Crips

92. Play Boy Hustler Crips, 68,69

93. Play Boy Hustler Crips, 75

94. Play Boy Style Crips, 106

95. Play Boy Style Crips, 82

96. Rollin 30s Original Harlem Crips

97. Rollin 40s Crip

98. Rollin 60s Neighbor Hood Crip

99. Rollin 90s Neighbor Hood Crip

100. Rollin 90s Westcoast

101. School Yard Crips

102. Ten Line Ganster Crips

103.Too Many Hoes Gang (TMHG)

104. Twilight Zone Crips 110

105. Venice Shore Line Crips

106. We Dont Care Crips [defunct]

107. West Boulevard Crips 28

108. West Boulevard Crips 64

 

 

So, everywhere you see "Crip" replace it with Families or Ballas and that is the type of list of sets I want in GTA V.

 

*Edit* I figured I might as well list the Blood sets in the City of Los Angeles also since I listed the Crip sets.

 

1. Aliso Village Brim [defunct]

2. All For Crime

3. Be-Bopp Watts

4. Black P Stones-City

5. Black P Stones-Jungles

6. Blood Stone 30s Pirus

7. Blood Stone Villains

8. Bounty Hunters

9. Circle City Piru

10. Dalton Gangster Bloods [defunct]

11. Denver Lane Bloods

12. East Side Pain

13. Family Swan Bloods

14. Fruit Town Brims

15. Hacienda Village Bloods

16. Harvard Park Brims, 62

 

17.Hoover Family [defunct]

18. Mad Swan Bloods

19.Mid Wilshire Bloods [defunct]

20.Mid Town Family [defunct]

 

21. Miller Gangster Bloods

22. Neighbor Hood Rollin 20s

23. Orchard Brim [defunct]

24. Outlaw 20s

25. Pacoima Pirus

26. Pueblo Bloods, 52

27. Queen Street Bloods, 76 [defunct]

28. Rollin 50s Brim

29.Unton (Untouchable) Brims [defunct]

30. Van Ness Gangsters

31. Water Front Pirus

 

Edited February 18, 2012 by Trideez

[SGT. Johnson]

HOLY FRICKIN sh*t, DUDE! I had no idea there were that many (I'm on the East Coast).

 

Okay, but now if they are not going to use Families and Ballas they can easily replace the name with something else and then you'd have 50? different sets (Rockstar I don't think would waste processor/memory on 102 different sets).

[Trideez]

Alright. Let me get one thing straight; after the posts and information provided to me in this topic, I now know that there re sets in LS. I also know now that there is a huge Blood/Crip rivalry that has been going on for quite a long time. There is no way that R* will overllok that unless it is not so important. Second, I'm confident that the Blood/Crip gangs representations will return, but they will not be NAMED Families and Ballas.

 

@Trideez, the bet is "I say they won't have the name of Ballas/Fmailies" and you are "they will have the name Ballas and Families"?

 

Clothing color is out or that too?

I'm betting that there will be gangstas wearing green and calling themselves Families and gangstas wearing purple that call themselves Ballas. And I'm expecting there will be many sets of both.

Alright. I'm betting that there will be gangs that resmeble the old Families and Ballas BUT will have DIFFERENT clothing and DIFFERENT names.

 

Now, what happens if the names are different but the colors are not? What if the Ballas go by "The Flats" but are still wearing purple? And what if the Families go by "Green Vineyard Families" (not the best example) but are still wearing green?

 

What then? Tha names are not the same but the colors are.

If they're called Families and wear Green then I win. It doesn't matter if they are the "Hell's Gate Families", the "Dog House Families", the "Strange Hood Families" or whatever. Same with Ballas, if they're wearing purple and have "Ballas" attached to their gang name, I win.

 

If the main two colors that all the black gangs wear are purple and green, I win.

 

If they're called Flats and Funks, but still wear Green and Purple, then Rockstar is retarded and we can call it a tie.

 

If they're called Flats and Funks but wear Orange and Gray, I lose.

 

 

[Knife]

So it's a bet on what colour clothing the gangs in GTA V will be wearing?

[Trideez]

So it's a bet on what colour clothing the gangs in GTA V will be wearing?

It's basically a bet that R* will continue using "Famlies and Ballas" instead of "Bloods and Crips" and purple and green instead of red and blue.

[Secura]

So it's a bet on what colour clothing the gangs in GTA V will be wearing?

As far as I can tell....yes?

[SGT. Johnson]

So it's a bet on what colour clothing the gangs in GTA V will be wearing?

It's basically a bet that R* will continue using "Famlies and Ballas" instead of "Bloods and Crips" and purple and green instead of red and blue.

THIS IS WHAT THE BET BETWEEN ME AND TRIDEEZ IS ABOUT!

 

This topic is your opinion about what gangs will return, if any, in GTA V. Also, we go over a discussion of each gang that is posted.

 

The biggest discussion right now is that of the Families and the Ballas returning to V.