Returning Gangs

[TheGodDamnMaster]

I honestly don't think we'll see anything from the PS2 San Andreas in this game, aside from features hopefully. There may be an homage of some sorts, like Claude's clothes in GTA IV. Just like Liberty City was vastly different between III and IV, expect the same from San Andreas and V.

[Trideez]

Getting back OT, gangs should definitely feature as gang violence is still a problem in parts of LA, but they will be different from SA as V is set 20 years later. Just as in real life the gangs would change dramatically in those two decades with things like crime prevention, education and immigration changing the landscape of the poorer areas of the city.

See this is what people like you don't understand. The sets in LA DONT CHANGE DRAMATICALLY in 20 years. The Eight Tray Gangsta Crips have been the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips since the 70's, they were the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips in the 80's, 90's and TODAY they are the f*cking Eight Tray Gangsta Crips. And they have been warring with the Rollin 60 Crips since the 80's, continue on through the 90's and they are still f*ckin killing each other TODAY! Gang members come and go, the f*ckin gangs themselves are IMBEDDED in the city. Which is why I would say that the Famlies and Ballas are background characters in Los Santos, just like the Crips and Bloods are background characters for LA. It cannot be a portrayal of LA without them.

[RockStarNiko]

It would be good if both gangs were back and you can do side missions for both sides at same time, kind of like Clint Eastwood style

[Linki]

It's simple.

 

The famous gangs from Los Angeles will return in a new form.

 

Families and Ballas will not return.

[interpolfan11]

I hope they return. Saying they won't return because it's a different era is almost somewhat similar to saying that they're going to rename Los Santos in order to reflect a different era.

 

Nonetheless, the game will not be realistic at all if an MS-13 parody isn't calling the shots.

[Algonquin Assassin]

It's simple.

 

The famous gangs from Los Angeles will return in a new form.

 

Families and Ballas will not return.

Agreed. Of course the LA gangs will be back, but like the city everything will be an overhaul.

 

It's really not that hard to comprehend. I think what people like Trideez fail to realize is it's a video game and R* can do what they like.

 

They have no obligation to bring back The Ballas or GSF as they were loosely based the Bloods and Crips. Not dyed in the wool interpretations.

 

That goes for all gangs too. We're talking about a video game. Not real life LA.

[Trideez]

 

It's simple.

 

The famous gangs from Los Angeles will return in a new form.

 

Families and Ballas will not return.

Agreed. Of course the LA gangs will be back, but like the city everything will be an overhaul.

 

It's really not that hard to comprehend. I think what people like Trideez fail to realize is it's a video game and R* can do what they like.

 

They have no obligation to bring back The Ballas or GSF as they were loosely based the Bloods and Crips. Not dyed in the wool interpretations.

 

That goes for all gangs too. We're talking about a video game. Not real life LA.

What's hilarious to me is that you accuse me of "failing to realize it's a video game and R* can do what they like" yet THAT is EXACTLY what he's doing by talking about this phony universe bullsh*t as if R* is sitting there going "Now I know we put an epic amount of research into the Bloods and Crips while we were creating GTA SA and we used all of that research to create our version of those two gangs, and those same gangs are the same gangs from the 90's are the same exact gangs in LA still, but DOH!!!!!!!!!!! They're from another universe!!!! sh*t!! I guess we'll just have to make generic gangs because we can't use our already established Families and Ballas. Now we have to be like Saint's Row! *cry* Those pesky universes!!"

 

PS. Miami speaks with alot of confidence but he's not willing to bet his account on it.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Trideez

[IcePwrd]

I sure as hell hope there isn't any of that crap

 

San an had the worst story solely due to the fact that it revolved around this gangsta state of mind

[Linki]

Trideez, I don't know how much more simpler I can explain it to you. I guess common sense isn't a strong point for you.

[monkeycan8]

I really hope you are wrong Trideez.

[Cole Phelps Gta]

When i grow up i want to be a big balla. Ballin' like theirs no tomorrow. Bring that good stuff right over the boarder if it's not about dollars dont holla ! I really hope that songs on v along with the ballas. It'll make me so happy

[Algonquin Assassin]

PS. Miami speaks with alot of confidence but he's not willing to bet his account on it.

Why would I do that? If I'm wrong what are you going to do? Laugh at me and say "lolz I told you so"? Either way I don't care if I'm right or wrong.

 

I'm only basing off what I saw with GTA IV. You on the other hand have this weird mindset that everything you say is an absolute fact and anyone who dare disagrees must bet their account on it.

 

Stop taking things so seriously. For someone who's been here for over 10 years you sure can't handle someone having an opposing view.

[monkeycan8]

I could see the Green and Purple coming back and maybe even being called Grove Street Families and The Balla's but the story that happened in Gta San did not happen. But I doubt they would call them by those names.

[Trideez]

 

PS.  Miami speaks with alot of confidence but he's not willing to bet his account on it.

Why would I do that? If I'm wrong what are you going to do? Laugh at me and say "lolz I told you so"? Either way I don't care if I'm right or wrong.

 

I'm only basing off what I saw with GTA IV. You on the other hand have this weird mindset that everything you say is an absolute fact and anyone who dare disagrees must bet their account on it.

 

Stop taking things so seriously. For someone who's been here for over 10 years you sure can't handle someone having an opposing view.

I have a low tolerance for stupidity. And no I don't think people have to agree with everything I say. Only when it comes to Families and Ballas being in the game. And that's because it takes a really really really stupid person to think they won't be. People who are THAT stupid should have to pay some penalty for it. So bet your account or stop speaking as though you know something. You THINK they won't be in the game, I KNOW they will be. And that's why I'm willing to bet my account, because it's a sure win.

 

 

I could see the Green and Purple coming back and maybe even being called Grove Street Families and The Balla's but the story that happened in Gta San did not happen. But I doubt they would call them by those names.

 

Grove Street Families is not a gang, it's a set. One set out of many. There were 3 Families sets in GTA SA, the GSF, the SBF and the TDF. And there were 3 Ballas sets, KTB, RHB and FYB. This time, there will probably be even more sets of Families and Ballas.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Trideez

[Hydro_PlayboyX]

i'm sick of these SA fanboys

[monkeycan8]

I really hate you Trideez. Grove Street Families is a gang... Thats its name it is also a set part of the Families. All you do is argue with people and you don't know the facts set by the games them selves. Hey do us a favor and

Edited February 16, 2012 by monkeycan8

[GarrowsKai]

 

PS.  Miami speaks with alot of confidence but he's not willing to bet his account on it.

Why would I do that? If I'm wrong what are you going to do? Laugh at me and say "lolz I told you so"? Either way I don't care if I'm right or wrong.

 

I'm only basing off what I saw with GTA IV. You on the other hand have this weird mindset that everything you say is an absolute fact and anyone who dare disagrees must bet their account on it.

 

Stop taking things so seriously. For someone who's been here for over 10 years you sure can't handle someone having an opposing view.

I have a low tolerance for stupidity. And no I don't think people have to agree with everything I say. Only when it comes to Families and Ballas being in the game. And that's because it takes a really really really stupid person to think they won't be. People who are THAT stupid should have to pay some penalty for it. So bet your account or stop speaking as though you know something. You THINK they won't be in the game, I KNOW they will be. And that's why I'm willing to bet my account, because it's a sure win.

 

 

I could see the Green and Purple coming back and maybe even being called Grove Street Families and The Balla's but the story that happened in Gta San did not happen. But I doubt they would call them by those names.

 

Grove Street Families is not a gang, it's a set. One set out of many. There were 3 Families sets in GTA SA, the GSF, the SBF and the TDF. And there were 3 Ballas sets, KTB, RHB and FYB. This time, there will probably be even more sets of Families and Ballas.

Right, so am I stupid for presuming that maybe the landscape and character of the LA street gangs might have changed over twenty years? I'm not saying gangs won't be a feature, of course they will, I'm just saying that they probably will be different in many ways and there is a chance they won't be called the Families and the Ballas but something different.

What I mean is that the world has changed dramatically over the past two decades, this is a fact, and I know that poor areas in many cities have changed so why would LA be different. You seem to think that some parts of LA have not changed at all since the 70s.

[Trideez]

I really hate you Trideez. Grove Street Families is a gang... Thats its name it is also a set part of the Families. All you do is argue with people and you don't know the facts set by the games them selves. Hey do us a favor and

Please continue your hate, thanks. I'm glad you understand that they are just a set of Families. Just like Temple Drive Families and Seville Blvd Families. They aren't the same gang, they actually kill each other.

[SGT. Johnson]

Getting back OT, gangs should definitely feature as gang violence is still a problem in parts of LA, but they will be different from SA as V is set 20 years later.  Just as in real life the gangs would change dramatically in those two decades with things like crime prevention, education and immigration changing the landscape of the poorer areas of the city.

See this is what people like you don't understand. The sets in LA DONT CHANGE DRAMATICALLY in 20 years. The Eight Tray Gangsta Crips have been the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips since the 70's, they were the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips in the 80's, 90's and TODAY they are the f*cking Eight Tray Gangsta Crips. And they have been warring with the Rollin 60 Crips since the 80's, continue on through the 90's and they are still f*ckin killing each other TODAY! Gang members come and go, the f*ckin gangs themselves are IMBEDDED in the city. Which is why I would say that the Famlies and Ballas are background characters in Los Santos, just like the Crips and Bloods are background characters for LA. It cannot be a portrayal of LA without them.

True, the gangs of SA's LS wouldmost likely be considered background characters, but to an extent.

 

I'll give you a good example. We just finished viditing LC, Rockstar's re-designed version, right? And in this game we saw the many different gangs of Lc, right? Well, let's take a step back and look at the series starting with III and up.

 

GTA III: One of the most iconci gangs was the Leone Crime Family, which is based off of the mob presence back then in New York.

GTA VC: Foerrelli gang (no Leone).

GTA SA: Once again, we see the Leone Family return.

GTA LCS: The Leone family in full swing (although that was the whole premise of the game, they were still mentioned a lot)

GTA VCS: (no Leone)

GTA IV: No Leone, but a ton of other Crime Families took over in replace of the Mob, with the inclusion of the IRL Commission.

 

Now, if we can do this with the Families and Ballas, we will most likely get the same result:

 

Different gangs, different name.

 

Feel free to counter.

[SGT. Johnson]

PS.  Miami speaks with alot of confidence but he's not willing to bet his account on it.

Why would I do that? If I'm wrong what are you going to do? Laugh at me and say "lolz I told you so"? Either way I don't care if I'm right or wrong.

 

I'm only basing off what I saw with GTA IV. You on the other hand have this weird mindset that everything you say is an absolute fact and anyone who dare disagrees must bet their account on it.

 

Stop taking things so seriously. For someone who's been here for over 10 years you sure can't handle someone having an opposing view.

Don't worry, Miami.

 

I am thinkign about this the same way you are, but I've actually bet my account. Call me crazy but this guy needs to know when he is wrong, but it's turned into something much more interesting than that.

 

Believe it or not, this debate is getting alomst as big as the "SF/LV debate", so I see it as a contribution to this forum, nonetheless.

 

Trideez has some good reasons FOR F/B presence in V, and I have good reasons AGAINST, so whatever the outcome is, will be a contribution to the forum and interesting to all.

 

I personally don't mind if I lose my account; I'm extremely confident that Trideez is wrong, and he is confident he is right. the only way to settle this is with the aforementioned bet, so there.

[Sanjeem]

I really hate you Trideez. Grove Street Families is a gang... Thats its name it is also a set part of the Families.  All you do is argue with people and you don't know the facts set by the games them selves.  Hey do us a favor and 

Please continue your hate, thanks. I'm glad you understand that they are just a set of Families. Just like Temple Drive Families and Seville Blvd Families. They aren't the same gang, they actually kill each other.

Mate, in the Soprano's, The Dimeo crime family is still the same family, but there are many crews in a family that make it up. In the Soprano's, if you've seen it, Tony Soprano's crew goes against his Uncle's (Corrado Soprano)'s crew for control of the organization.

 

It's the same in this Gang case, they are all part of one bigger or Ideological gang, but they are just different segments in it.

[SGT. Johnson]

I really hate you Trideez. Grove Street Families is a gang... Thats its name it is also a set part of the Families.  All you do is argue with people and you don't know the facts set by the games them selves.  Hey do us a favor and 

Please continue your hate, thanks. I'm glad you understand that they are just a set of Families. Just like Temple Drive Families and Seville Blvd Families. They aren't the same gang, they actually kill each other.

Mate, in the Soprano's, The Dimeo crime family is still the same family, but there are many crews in a family that make it up. In the Soprano's, if you've seen it, Tony Soprano's crew goes against his Uncle's (Corrado Soprano)'s crew for control of the organization.

 

It's the same in this Gang case, they are all part of one bigger or Ideological gang, but they are just different segments in it.

Isn't this similar to CHAPTERS in Biker gangs? Maybe that image will help you.

[Sanjeem]

I really hate you Trideez. Grove Street Families is a gang... Thats its name it is also a set part of the Families.  All you do is argue with people and you don't know the facts set by the games them selves.  Hey do us a favor and 

Please continue your hate, thanks. I'm glad you understand that they are just a set of Families. Just like Temple Drive Families and Seville Blvd Families. They aren't the same gang, they actually kill each other.

Mate, in the Soprano's, The Dimeo crime family is still the same family, but there are many crews in a family that make it up. In the Soprano's, if you've seen it, Tony Soprano's crew goes against his Uncle's (Corrado Soprano)'s crew for control of the organization.

 

It's the same in this Gang case, they are all part of one bigger or Ideological gang, but they are just different segments in it.

Isn't this similar to CHAPTERS in Biker gangs? Maybe that image will help you.

Yes, The whole Army within a bigger army kind of thing. Think about it, one leader controlling one whole gang of men would be very, very difficult. That's why there are segments in order to keep control. Not always do these segments get along with each other.

[Trideez]

Getting back OT, gangs should definitely feature as gang violence is still a problem in parts of LA, but they will be different from SA as V is set 20 years later.  Just as in real life the gangs would change dramatically in those two decades with things like crime prevention, education and immigration changing the landscape of the poorer areas of the city.

See this is what people like you don't understand. The sets in LA DONT CHANGE DRAMATICALLY in 20 years. The Eight Tray Gangsta Crips have been the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips since the 70's, they were the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips in the 80's, 90's and TODAY they are the f*cking Eight Tray Gangsta Crips. And they have been warring with the Rollin 60 Crips since the 80's, continue on through the 90's and they are still f*ckin killing each other TODAY! Gang members come and go, the f*ckin gangs themselves are IMBEDDED in the city. Which is why I would say that the Famlies and Ballas are background characters in Los Santos, just like the Crips and Bloods are background characters for LA. It cannot be a portrayal of LA without them.

True, the gangs of SA's LS wouldmost likely be considered background characters, but to an extent.

 

I'll give you a good example. We just finished viditing LC, Rockstar's re-designed version, right? And in this game we saw the many different gangs of Lc, right? Well, let's take a step back and look at the series starting with III and up.

 

GTA III: One of the most iconci gangs was the Leone Crime Family, which is based off of the mob presence back then in New York.

GTA VC: Foerrelli gang (no Leone).

GTA SA: Once again, we see the Leone Family return.

GTA LCS: The Leone family in full swing (although that was the whole premise of the game, they were still mentioned a lot)

GTA VCS: (no Leone)

GTA IV: No Leone, but a ton of other Crime Families took over in replace of the Mob, with the inclusion of the IRL Commission.

 

Now, if we can do this with the Families and Ballas, we will most likely get the same result:

 

Different gangs, different name.

 

Feel free to counter.

I'll counter what you said like this. I posted the quote from Rockstar the other day where Dan Houser said that GTA III's "Liberty City" was never meant to be representative of NYC. GTA III's LC was a mesh of cities (Houser said) from NYC, to Philly, to Chicago...He basically said that it was just a generic American city. GTA IV's "Liberty City" on the other hand was R*'s take on NYC. It needed to have the Statue of Happiness and Empire State Building because those are ICONS of NYC. And Bloods and Crips are ICONS of Los Angeles. And unlike GTA III's Liberty City, San Andreas's Los Santos WAS Rockstar's representation of Los Angeles. So Los Angeles is already an establshed place in the Grand Theft Auto "universe" as Los Santos. So all of the iconic things in Los Angeles, from the Hollywood sign (which has already been established as the Vinewood sign), to the stadium, to the Bloods and Crips (which have already been established as the Families and Ballas) will be included.

 

Anyways, I'm glad we have the bet too, it keeps me hungry for another trailer or an article to come out and prove me right. I wish more people would bet their accounts, or at least tone down their rhetoric if they're not willing to do so.

[Sanjeem]

Wait, are you saying that you think the Bloods and Clips will return but with different names or with the same names as in SA?

[Trideez]

Wait, are you saying that you think the Bloods and Clips will return but with different names or with the same names as in SA?

I'm saying there wil be Families and Ballas. Many sets of them. There were 3 sets claiming Families and 3 sets claiming Ballas in GTA SA, I'm expecting at least 10-15 different Families and Ballas sets in GTA V.

 

As for what Johnson said:

 

 

Isn't this similar to CHAPTERS in Biker gangs? Maybe that image will help you.

 

That's a good analogy, although I don't know if different Chapters of the same biker gangs be killing each other. Like does the X Chapter of the Hells Angels ever go to war against the Y Chapter of the Hells Angels? Like I said, in LA, some of the most bitter rivalries are between Crip sets vs other Crip sets. In Los Santos, they gave that attribute to the Families. I'm pretty sure nowadays even Blood sets go to war against other Blood sets, but it wasn't like that in the 90's. So the sets are not necessarily "smaller cliques" in a "big gang". They are each thier own individual gang that in a very general sense ally themselves with either the red or the blue but the real true alleigance is to their set.

[SGT. Johnson]

Wait, are you saying that you think the Bloods and Clips will return but with different names or with the same names as in SA?

Alright, the bet is thus:

 

I think that the Bloods and Crips representations will return, but not with the colors NOR the names of the Families and Ballas used (In other words, the Families and Ballas will not return).

 

Trideez, on the otherhand, thinks that the Bloods and Crips gang will be rpresented once again through the Families and the Ballas with the same colors being used (in other words, the Ballas and Families WILL return in GTA V).

 

This is the bet and both arguments have evidence and backing. I am interested in the outcome.

 

@Trideez, I accpeted your bet mostly because I was tired of you thinking that you were 100% correct, but now it has become something more than that. It has become an interesting debate that a lot of people are starting to get into, plus it will lead to evidence on whether or not the "universe theory" actually holds any water. Plus it will answer whether R* change up their gangs when creating a new era or not. The point is, this question that started out as a regualr argument has turned into more than a question that can be answered by regular comments and half-drawn perspectives.

[Sanjeem]

 

Wait, are you saying that you think the Bloods and Clips will return but with different names or with the same names as in SA?

I'm saying there wil be Families and Ballas. Many sets of them. There were 3 sets claiming Families and 3 sets claiming Ballas in GTA SA, I'm expecting at least 10-15 different Families and Ballas sets in GTA V.

 

As for what Johnson said:

 

 

Isn't this similar to CHAPTERS in Biker gangs? Maybe that image will help you.

 

That's a good analogy, although I don't know if different Chapters of the same biker gangs be killing each other. Like does the X Chapter of the Hells Angels ever go to war against the Y Chapter of the Hells Angels? Like I said, in LA, some of the most bitter rivalries are between Crip sets vs other Crip sets. In Los Santos, they gave that attribute to the Families. I'm pretty sure nowadays even Blood sets go to war against other Blood sets, but it wasn't like that in the 90's. So the sets are not necessarily "smaller cliques" in a "big gang". They are each thier own individual gang that in a very general sense ally themselves with either the red or the blue but the real true alleigance is to their set.

Please be more specific, what are the names of these families and you think the Ballas from SA will again, just be called the Ballas.

 

Also Crip on Crip and Blood and Blood gang rivalry is more common than the two gangs killing each other.

[Trideez]

 

Wait, are you saying that you think the Bloods and Clips will return but with different names or with the same names as in SA?

Alright, the bet is thus:

 

I think that the Bloods and Crips representations will return, but not with the colors NOR the names of the Families and Ballas used (In other words, the Families and Ballas will not return).

 

Trideez, on the otherhand, thinks that the Bloods and Crips gang will be rpresented once again through the Families and the Ballas with the same colors being used (in other words, the Ballas and Families WILL return in GTA V).

 

This is the bet and both arguments have evidence and backing. I am interested in the outcome.

 

@Trideez, I accpeted your bet mostly because I was tired of you thinking that you were 100% correct, but now it has become something more than that. It has become an interesting debate that a lot of people are starting to get into, plus it will lead to evidence on whether or not the "universe theory" actually holds any water. Plus it will answer whether R* change up their gangs when creating a new era or not. The point is, this question that started out as a regualr argument has turned into more than a question that can be answered by regular comments and half-drawn perspectives.

I don't think the return of the Families and Ballas goes against the "universe theory" though. I consider the Families and Ballas to be both a "brand" and "background characters" integral to Los Santos. And those carry through the different universes.

 

And for what Sanjeen said:

 

 

Please be more specific, what are the names of these families and you think the Ballas from SA will again, just be called the Ballas.

 

Also Crip on Crip and Blood and Blood gang rivalry is more common than the two gangs killing each other.

 

The 3 Families sets in SA were the Grove Street Families, the Seville Boulevard Families and the Temple Drive Families. The 3 Balla sets were the Kilo Tray Ballas, the Rollin Heights Ballas, and the Front Yard Ballas. I'm saying all of those will probably return and that there will probably be a whole lot more sets. What are you asking?

 

And yeah, Crip vs Crip rivalries have always been the biggest. Bloods vs Bloods is pretty new though, it wasn't happening in the 70's, 80's, or 90's.

 

 

And you also said:

 

 

Mate, in the Soprano's, The Dimeo crime family is still the same family, but there are many crews in a family that make it up. In the Soprano's, if you've seen it, Tony Soprano's crew goes against his Uncle's (Corrado Soprano)'s crew for control of the organization.

 

 

Yes I'm a fan of the Sopranos. If you're saying the beef between Tony's crew and Juniors crew is ANYTHING like the Eight Tray Gangsta Crips v.s. the Rollin 60 Crips war then you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off. Tony and Juniors crews were part of the same organization that had a dispute with each other. ETG vs RSC is a f*ckin 30 year WAR between 2 totally seperate gangs that will never be part of the same gang. They are both called Crips but that is the only thing they have in common, they are bitter rivals and cant be compared to a little dispute between 2 crews in a mafia family.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Trideez

[SGT. Johnson]

Alright, with that Trideez, which gang represents which?

 

Families = Crips?

Ballas = Bloods?