Returning Gangs

[Official General]

BULLsh*t @ the Diablos being the Latinc Kings, there's absolutely ZERO evidence of that.  Just because they're latinos they're the Latin Kings???  GTFOH!   They were just a generic hispanic gang in a generic city.  We shouldn't even talk about any gang returning from Liberty City III in the first place.  Liberty City was not a real city, and it wasn't based off of a real city.  It was generic and therefore so were the gangs that were there.  As far as "Yardies" goes, from I read, it just seems to be a word for Jamaican in America, and it's a gang in the UK.  There were criminal Jamaicans in IV, were they Yardies?  By definition, yes.  No disrespect to the Yardies or anything!  But they're not on the same level of notoriety as the Bloods and Crips, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Dude the Diables wore crowns on their jacket.

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gta3/gangs/diablos.jpg

Good observation about them wearing a crown on their jackets, but I really don't think that makes them the Latin Kings any more than the Southside Hoods wearing red makes them the Bloods. Truth is they were 2 very generic gangs in a very generic city.

@ Trideez

 

Come on man, don't be ridiculous. The Diablos in GTA III were clearly based on the real-life Latin Kings at least to small some extent, anyone with some knowledge of American gang culture can see that.

 

I will agree with you on the Purple Nines and the Red Jacks in III, I think those two were probably intended to be just generic African-American street gangs. I would go with you in saying that they were not based on Crips and Bloods.

 

And I said to you before, Jamaican gangs are referred to as 'Yardies' in the UK, and 'Posses' in the USA. In New York they definitely have a lot notoriety, near enough on the same level as Crips and Bloods, but not as much in the rest of the U.S.

[Celticfang]

Over here they have pretty much the same noteriety (as far as London goes anyhow) as they do over there, even the traditional big players know not to mess with the Yardies.

[Trideez]

BULLsh*t @ the Diablos being the Latinc Kings, there's absolutely ZERO evidence of that.  Just because they're latinos they're the Latin Kings???  GTFOH!   They were just a generic hispanic gang in a generic city.  We shouldn't even talk about any gang returning from Liberty City III in the first place.  Liberty City was not a real city, and it wasn't based off of a real city.  It was generic and therefore so were the gangs that were there.  As far as "Yardies" goes, from I read, it just seems to be a word for Jamaican in America, and it's a gang in the UK.  There were criminal Jamaicans in IV, were they Yardies?  By definition, yes.  No disrespect to the Yardies or anything!  But they're not on the same level of notoriety as the Bloods and Crips, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Dude the Diables wore crowns on their jacket.

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gta3/gangs/diablos.jpg

Good observation about them wearing a crown on their jackets, but I really don't think that makes them the Latin Kings any more than the Southside Hoods wearing red makes them the Bloods. Truth is they were 2 very generic gangs in a very generic city.

@ Trideez

 

Come on man, don't be ridiculous. The Diablos in GTA III were clearly based on the real-life Latin Kings at least to small some extent, anyone with some knowledge of American gang culture can see that.

 

I will agree with you on the Purple Nines and the Red Jacks in III, I think those two were probably intended to be just generic African-American street gangs. I would go with you in saying that they were not based on Crips and Bloods.

 

And I said to you before, Jamaican gangs are referred to as 'Yardies' in the UK, and 'Posses' in the USA. In New York they definitely have a lot notoriety, near enough on the same level as Crips and Bloods, but not as much in the rest of the U.S.

Sorry bro, but I disagree about the Diablos. Read the description of them given by Rockstar. It says they are a small time gang. The Latin Kings aren't a small time gang. I think them having a crown on their jacket has as much significance as the Red Jacks wearing red does. It's totally impossible to say because the game didn't take place in a city based on a real life city. So maybe it was a nod to the Latin Kings that the spanish gang had a crown on their backs, but it wasn't parodied to anywhere near the detail that the Ballas and Families were.

 

Also, cmon man, I know there are Jamaican gangstas in NY, but I couldn't tell you the exact name of any of them, and neither can most people, can you even? Tell me the exact name of a "posse" that is anywhere near as notorious as the Rolling 60 Crips or Eight Tray Gangsta Crips or the Grape Street Crips or the Black P Stone Bloods. And to the dude in England saying they are on the same level, here's how you know they're not. Me, nor any other American has heard of any of those Yardies gangs over there, SPECIFICALLY BY NAME, but yet you heard of the Bloods and Crips. The B'S and C's have spread all over the country, and even the world, there are people in Europe claiming B's and C's. They are hands down the two most famous brands of gangs in America.

 

And the Families and Ballas are the two most well thought out and researched gangs Rockstar has ever created. They have their own signs, their own slang, their own cultures and colors and history. THEY ARE AS MUCH A PART OF LOS SANTOS AS VINEWOOD IS.

[Celticfang]

You haven't heard of the Yardies gangs because you have the media focusing on the Bloods/Crips, but that does not mean that the Yardies/Posses don't exist. They do exist, they are in fact a problem. That's like saying the Hispanic gangs don't exist, that the Mafia doesn't exist. Just because a gang doesn't get mentioned in the news or you see a gang member in the street, does not mean a gang has vanished at all.

 

Fact is, I talk to somebody who lives in LA pretty much every day and they have confirmed the Yardies do have a pretty strong prseence in LA, along with the other gangs. As well as a very, VERY strong presence in NY.

 

People here have heard of the Yardies, but not the Bloods or Crips, they simply do not exist here as it is a totally different culture. How many average Americans on the street know who the Kray twins were in London without looking them up? If the Bloods or Crips came over here they would not last that long or be anywhere near as powerful as they are in the States (which they aren't at all, they haven't anywhere near the level of power they do in other countries)

 

Exactly. That's like asking how many English people know who heads up a Crip set.

 

FWIW, the Yardies term is also used in the Carribean, related to the term 'Yardbird', which comes from prison slang. It's also a 1960s pop group (Look up Yardbirds songs if you don't believe me)

 

EDIT: For people claiming to be Bloods/Crips in the London underworld, they don't last very long however, London has its own way of sorting things out, like having the gangs in power there keep order.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Celticfang

[Trideez]

You haven't heard of the Yardies gangs because you have the media focusing on the Bloods/Crips, but that does not mean that the Yardies/Posses don't exist. They do exist, they are in fact a problem. That's like saying the Hispanic gangs don't exist, that the Mafia doesn't exist.

 

Fact is, I talk to somebody who lives in LA pretty much every day and they have confirmed the Yardies do have a pretty strong prseence in LA, along with the other gangs.

 

People here have heard of the Yardies, but not the Bloods or Crips, they simply do not exist here as it is a totally different culture. How many average Americans on the street know who the Kray twins were in London? If the Bloods or Crips came over here they would not last that long or be anywhere near as powerful as they are in the States

 

Exactly. That's like asking how many English people know who heads up a Crip set.

 

FWIW, the Yardies term is also used in the Carribean, related to the term 'Yardbird', which comes from prison slang. It's also a 1960s pop group (Look up Yardbirds songs if you don't believe me)

I didn't say anything about them existing or not existing. What I said is none of them have the NOTORIETY that the Bloods and Crips do.

 

 

no·to·ri·e·ty

   [noh-tuh-rahy-i-tee] Show IPA

 

noun, plural -ties.

1.

the state, quality, or character of being notorious or widely known: a craze for notoriety.

 

I'm sure they're bad ass, but they're not anywhere near as famous and the Bloods and Crips are, sorry.

[Official General]

 

You haven't heard of the Yardies gangs because you have the media focusing on the Bloods/Crips, but that does not mean that the Yardies/Posses don't exist. They do exist, they are in fact a problem. That's like saying the Hispanic gangs don't exist, that the Mafia doesn't exist. Just because a gang doesn't get mentioned in the news or you see a gang member in the street, does not mean a gang has vanished at all.

 

Fact is, I talk to somebody who lives in LA pretty much every day and they have confirmed the Yardies do have a pretty strong prseence in LA, along with the other gangs. As well as a very, VERY strong presence in NY.

 

People here have heard of the Yardies, but not the Bloods or Crips, they simply do not exist here as it is a totally different culture. How many average Americans on the street know who the Kray twins were in London without looking them up? If the Bloods or Crips came over here they would not last that long or be anywhere near as powerful as they are in the States (which they aren't at all, they haven't anywhere near the level of power they do in other countries)

 

Exactly. That's like asking how many English people know who heads up a Crip set.

 

FWIW, the Yardies term is also used in the Carribean, related to the term 'Yardbird', which comes from prison slang. It's also a 1960s pop group (Look up Yardbirds songs if you don't believe me)

 

EDIT: For people claiming to be Bloods/Crips in the London underworld, they don't last very long however, London has its own way of sorting things out, like having the gangs in power there keep order.

@ Celtic Fang

 

As a gang/organized crime expert, I disagree with you on a few things on this.

 

I'm from London and I grew up with the street culture, and I can tell you that many people here have heard of Bloods and Crips, they most definitely have. I did and so did many I know, we grew up knowing who they were. In fact, there are a number very violent street gangs in London (especially on the south side) that are heavily influenced by Bloods and Crips, so much to the point they have even created their own UK-based actual Blood and Crips sets, they have adopted the LA gang culture of wearing colour-coded clothing and using bandanas of various colours to symbolize their gang affiliations. I'm pretty sure that many people in some other large UK cities like Manchester and Birmingham have heard of the Bloods and Crips too, from what I've seen anyway. I'm quite sure many people here have heard of the Bloods and Crips, probably not the whole of the UK - but definitely in places like London and some other large cities. It is very likely that more of the younger generation of street youth growing up in London's rough, inner city areas probably know more about Bloods and Crips than they know about Yardies.

 

And Trideez is kind of right, Jamaican posses or Yardies are generally not very well-known across the most of the United States, they definitely do not have wide a strong nationwide presence like that. I'm not saying there are no Jamaican gangs or Yardies in Los Angeles at all right now, but they certainly do not have a strong presence there and they are nowhere near being one of the dominant gangs out there. I know people from LA too, and I've also researched the gang scene in many U.S. cities in great detail. From my findings and from what I know, Jamaican gangs hardly have any kind of strong presence of influence in the Los Angeles gang scene or the whole West Coast gang scene in general. With the sheer amount of Bloods and Crips that would outnumber them, Yardies just would not last that long in LA, I'm pretty sure of that. On the whole, I would agree with Trideez and say that Bloods and Crips are the most well-known and recognizable black street gang in the U.S. and even other parts of the world.

 

Jamaican Posse gangs are more well-known in U.S. cities and regions with large Caribbean/Jamaican immigrant populations, and New York City and Miami are the main American cities where Jamaican Posse gangs have been well-known for their notorious repuation. Even then, this very fearsome reputation the Jamaican gangs gained in NYC and Miami is more a thing of the 1980s and early 1990s when they were at their peak, and even though they still have it, it has kind of died down, they no longer seem hold the kind of sway they may have once had in those cities. Right now in New York City, its the Dominican drug gangs dominating a lot of the illegal street activity and in Miami its the Haitian street gangs that seem to be the latest notorious and much feared gangs in the city's ghettoes and hoods. Even in London, Yardies are not that big a thing anymore, most of the black gang scene there is almost completely dominated by British-born blacks of various origins that do not always have direct links to the Yardies.

 

@ Trideez

 

I reckon the Diablos were loosely based on the Latin Kings at least, I'm sorry but the golden crown symbol seals it for me.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Official General

[Celticfang]

I'll disagree OG, I'm going by London based off of Richmond as a starting point and working inwards, which admittedly isn't the best entry point to London at all.

 

I've spent a fair bit of time there and rarely seen any actual Bloods/Crips around that rea, mainly Yardies or 'high class' gangs/racists, so I'm on about the outskirts as I said, I have however seen one or two black gang members but they don't go out of their way to cause trouble, the nearest to the 'inner city' I've been is the Science Museum on a college trip, that isn't exactly the innter city now is it?

 

Having said that, I know for a fact in Leeds that the Bloods/Crips are there, all be it not very well known in some areas of Yorkshire (as Yorkshire's now infamous as a hotbed for Muslim terorists), in Bradford they haven't made too many inroads (for fairly obvious reasons, i.e. the large Asian/Muslim population have their own gangs and 'sets' there, they fight over drugs and drug money up here a lot and the police are scared to step in for fear of being seen as racist. It IS grim up North), for Manchester, yes there's Blood/Crip sets, but they aren't the only gang in town, but I was in my old high school and residential college, both in the North and Midlands, and I spoke to students who said they admired gangbangers and wanted to be like them, when I askd why, they said 'because its cool'...Which depresses me a lot.

 

Either way, where I am (Leeds to Newcastle area basically), it's very, VERY different to London, up here there's no Blood/Crip problems apart from the major cities, even then those are kept quiet, the local Muslim or Sikh gangs (which are the main ones around here) have used the moors for body dumping (as have other famous criminals), they do that rarely however.

[Official General]

I'll disagree OG, I'm going by London based off of Richmond as a starting point and working inwards, which admittedly isn't the best entry point to London at all.

 

I've spent a fair bit of time there and rarely seen any actual Bloods/Crips around that rea, mainly Yardies or 'high class' gangs/racists, so I'm on about the outskirts as I said, I have however seen one or two black gang members but they don't go out of their way to cause trouble, the nearest to the 'inner city' I've been is the Science Museum on a college trip, that isn't exactly the innter city now is it?

 

Having said that, I know for a fact in Leeds that the Bloods/Crips are there, all be it not very well known in some areas of Yorkshire (as Yorkshire's now infamous as a hotbed for Muslim terorists), in Bradford they haven't made too many inroads (for fairly obvious reasons, i.e. the large Asian/Muslim population have their own gangs and 'sets' there, they fight over drugs and drug money up here a lot and the police are scared to step in for fear of being seen as racist. It IS grim up North), for Manchester, yes there's Blood/Crip sets, but they aren't the only gang in town, but I was in my old high school and residential college, both in the North and Midlands, and I spoke to students who said they admired gangbangers and wanted to be like them, when I askd why, they said 'because its cool'...Which depresses me a lot.

 

Either way, where I am (Leeds to Newcastle area basically), it's very, VERY different to London, up here there's no Blood/Crip problems apart from the major cities, even then those are kept quiet, the local Muslim or Sikh gangs (which are the main ones around here) have used the moors for body dumping (as have other famous criminals), they do that rarely however.

@ Celticfang

 

You can disagree with me all you want, but I know what I'm talking about and I will present you with facts too. You are basing what I have said of Richmond ? Are you for real ? Richmond is as English stiff upper-lip, posh and high-class as you can get. That says it all ! Listen bro, I grew up surrounded by London street culture and experiencing the gang stuff that came with it (I am no gang member I will say), and that qualifies me to know about London street gangs and what they are about. London does indeed have its own Bloods and Crip gang members, I'm not gonna start pointing out for you where to find and go looking for them, but they are definitely there, mostly in South London areas like Brixton, Peckham etc. They are not necessarily the main street gangs in London either, but they are beginning to have some kind of considerable influence. How long this LA gang-influenced trend will last, I don't know.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...-and-Crips.html

 

The above is a link for news on Bloods and Crips in London.

 

Below is a link for a site about all the street gangs of London, brilliant site, tells you everything you need to know

 

http://www.londonstreetgangs.com/

 

[The Made Man]

 

 

Bullsh*t? I think not.

Do some research before you start posting crazy theories.

Who me?

[The Made Man]

BULLsh*t @ the Diablos being the Latinc Kings, there's absolutely ZERO evidence of that.  Just because they're latinos they're the Latin Kings???  GTFOH!   They were just a generic hispanic gang in a generic city.  We shouldn't even talk about any gang returning from Liberty City III in the first place.  Liberty City was not a real city, and it wasn't based off of a real city.  It was generic and therefore so were the gangs that were there.  As far as "Yardies" goes, from I read, it just seems to be a word for Jamaican in America, and it's a gang in the UK.  There were criminal Jamaicans in IV, were they Yardies?  By definition, yes.  No disrespect to the Yardies or anything!  But they're not on the same level of notoriety as the Bloods and Crips, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Dude the Diables wore crowns on their jacket.

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gta3/gangs/diablos.jpg

Good observation about them wearing a crown on their jackets, but I really don't think that makes them the Latin Kings any more than the Southside Hoods wearing red makes them the Bloods. Truth is they were 2 very generic gangs in a very generic city.

Some people argued that the purple nines were based off the Crips and Red jacks were bloods, the two gangs of the Southside hoods. Diablos can very much be based off the Latin Kings, since most of the Latin Kings are puerto rican and there symbol is a crown.

 

Just saying

[Trideez]

BULLsh*t @ the Diablos being the Latinc Kings, there's absolutely ZERO evidence of that.  Just because they're latinos they're the Latin Kings???  GTFOH!   They were just a generic hispanic gang in a generic city.  We shouldn't even talk about any gang returning from Liberty City III in the first place.  Liberty City was not a real city, and it wasn't based off of a real city.  It was generic and therefore so were the gangs that were there.  As far as "Yardies" goes, from I read, it just seems to be a word for Jamaican in America, and it's a gang in the UK.  There were criminal Jamaicans in IV, were they Yardies?  By definition, yes.  No disrespect to the Yardies or anything!  But they're not on the same level of notoriety as the Bloods and Crips, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Dude the Diables wore crowns on their jacket.

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gta3/gangs/diablos.jpg

Good observation about them wearing a crown on their jackets, but I really don't think that makes them the Latin Kings any more than the Southside Hoods wearing red makes them the Bloods. Truth is they were 2 very generic gangs in a very generic city.

Some people argued that the purple nines were based off the Crips and Red jacks were bloods, the two gangs of the Southside hoods. Diablos can very much be based off the Latin Kings, since most of the Latin Kings are puerto rican and there symbol is a crown.

 

Just saying

Yeah, I agree, the crown definitely supports the theory. But I'd look at it like more of a small nod to the LK's than an actual parody of their gang. The Ballas and Families were much more similar to the Bloods and Crips than the Diablos were to the Latin Kings.

[Official General]

BULLsh*t @ the Diablos being the Latinc Kings, there's absolutely ZERO evidence of that.  Just because they're latinos they're the Latin Kings???  GTFOH!   They were just a generic hispanic gang in a generic city.  We shouldn't even talk about any gang returning from Liberty City III in the first place.  Liberty City was not a real city, and it wasn't based off of a real city.  It was generic and therefore so were the gangs that were there.  As far as "Yardies" goes, from I read, it just seems to be a word for Jamaican in America, and it's a gang in the UK.  There were criminal Jamaicans in IV, were they Yardies?  By definition, yes.  No disrespect to the Yardies or anything!  But they're not on the same level of notoriety as the Bloods and Crips, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Dude the Diables wore crowns on their jacket.

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gta3/gangs/diablos.jpg

Good observation about them wearing a crown on their jackets, but I really don't think that makes them the Latin Kings any more than the Southside Hoods wearing red makes them the Bloods. Truth is they were 2 very generic gangs in a very generic city.

Some people argued that the purple nines were based off the Crips and Red jacks were bloods, the two gangs of the Southside hoods. Diablos can very much be based off the Latin Kings, since most of the Latin Kings are puerto rican and there symbol is a crown.

 

Just saying

Yeah, I agree, the crown definitely supports the theory. But I'd look at it like more of a small nod to the LK's than an actual parody of their gang. The Ballas and Families were much more similar to the Bloods and Crips than the Diablos were to the Latin Kings.

Yeah I did try to tell you that earlier Trideez, sometimes you can be a lil' stubborn from what I can see of you on this thread. It is clear to see from the golden crown symbol that the Diablos gang in GTA III were loosely based on the Latin Kings, even if it was in some small way. The Purple Nines and the Red Jacks might have been a very small play on Crips and Bloods, but I doubt it, I think they were just a generic African-American gang in a big American city.

[Trideez]

BULLsh*t @ the Diablos being the Latinc Kings, there's absolutely ZERO evidence of that.  Just because they're latinos they're the Latin Kings???  GTFOH!   They were just a generic hispanic gang in a generic city.  We shouldn't even talk about any gang returning from Liberty City III in the first place.  Liberty City was not a real city, and it wasn't based off of a real city.  It was generic and therefore so were the gangs that were there.  As far as "Yardies" goes, from I read, it just seems to be a word for Jamaican in America, and it's a gang in the UK.  There were criminal Jamaicans in IV, were they Yardies?  By definition, yes.  No disrespect to the Yardies or anything!  But they're not on the same level of notoriety as the Bloods and Crips, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

Dude the Diables wore crowns on their jacket.

http://www.gtagaming.com/images/gta3/gangs/diablos.jpg

Good observation about them wearing a crown on their jackets, but I really don't think that makes them the Latin Kings any more than the Southside Hoods wearing red makes them the Bloods. Truth is they were 2 very generic gangs in a very generic city.

Some people argued that the purple nines were based off the Crips and Red jacks were bloods, the two gangs of the Southside hoods. Diablos can very much be based off the Latin Kings, since most of the Latin Kings are puerto rican and there symbol is a crown.

 

Just saying

Yeah, I agree, the crown definitely supports the theory. But I'd look at it like more of a small nod to the LK's than an actual parody of their gang. The Ballas and Families were much more similar to the Bloods and Crips than the Diablos were to the Latin Kings.

Yeah I did try to tell you that earlier Trideez, sometimes you can be a lil' stubborn from what I can see of you on this thread. It is clear to see from the golden crown symbol that the Diablos gang in GTA III were loosely based on the Latin Kings, even if it was in some small way. The Purple Nines and the Red Jacks might have been a very small play on Crips and Bloods, but I doubt it, I think they were just a generic African-American gang in a big American city.

Well yeah, I'm stubborn when I know (read "think) I'm right, lol. But when I'm wrong, or possibly wrong, I'm relatively very reasonable and easy to exchange ideas with. I was wrong when I said there was no evidence that the Diablos were the LK's, the crown is definitely evidence to support that theory. So I agree, they were loosely, very loosely, based on the LK's, but nowhere near as much as the Families and Ballas were based on the Bloods and Crips.

 

As for the Red Jacks and Purple 9's, I did not see them as B's and C's AT ALL.

 

But back on topic, I'm still 100% sure the Families and Ballas will return in GTA V, lol.

[Official General]

But back on topic, I'm still 100% sure the Families and Ballas will return in GTA V, lol.

Now this is something I am actually not so sure of. I just can't say for sure whether or not this will happen, no matter how much convincing speculation and arguments for or against the idea are put forward. The bottom line is that we just don't know yet for sure 100%. In fact I'm now very interested to see how it will pan out

 

I'm not bothered either way though, as long as some kind of very realistic Bloods and Crips style gangs are in GTA V, thats all I care about.

 

I just don't get why some guys on here are so obsessed with Packie McCreary making a return in V. The McCrearys were ok characters and sometimes quite funny, but they were not that amazing as everyone makes them out to be. And in any case, their face will not fit very well in V as there is no significant Irish mob in Los Angeles.

[Trideez]

But back on topic, I'm still 100% sure the Families and Ballas will return in GTA V, lol.

Now this is something I am actually not so sure of. I just can't say for sure whether or not this will happen, no matter how much convincing speculation and arguments for or against the idea are put forward. The bottom line is that we just don't know yet for sure 100%. In fact I'm now very interested to see how it will pan out

 

I'm not bothered either way though, as long as some kind of very realistic Bloods and Crips style gangs are in GTA V, thats all I care about.

 

I just don't get why some guys on here are so obsessed with Packie McCreary making a return in V. The McCrearys were ok characters and sometimes quite funny, but they were not that amazing as everyone makes them out to be. And in any case, their face will not fit very well in V as there is no significant Irish mob in Los Angeles.

Yeah, I'm not one of those Packie people. I think CJ has a better chance of returning than Packie does.

[Sanjeem]

Does anybody know if the Mexican Cartels have any business deals with the Italian-American mafia, not the Italian mafia, the American version (There is a huge difference when you look at them both in detail) but yeah, it's just that recently I read an article on some drug wholesalers or something getting shot up because they competed with the Mexican crime syndicates. This lead me to wonder if the Mexican drug cartels would ever start a war with the Italian-American mob when it came to Drug trafficking, unless they already have business deals going on...

 

Also, don't tell me that the Mafia don't deal in drugs, we all know that is BS to say the least I mean I know the two groups probably don't have very close relationships, but from what I read, the Italian-American mob aren't big anymore when it comes to importing drugs at least, they are like the middle-men now but they don't seem to be fighting with any particular ethnic gang at the moment (E.g. Like the Colombians killing the Cuban cartels in the 80's, Miami).

[EscoLehGo]

Does anybody know if the Mexican Cartels have any business deals with the Italian-American mafia, not the Italian mafia, the American version (There is a huge difference when you look at them both in detail) but yeah, it's just that recently I read an article on some drug wholesalers or something getting shot up because they competed with the Mexican crime syndicates. This lead me to wonder if the Mexican drug cartels would ever start a war with the Italian-American mob when it came to Drug trafficking, unless they already have business deals going on...

 

Also, don't tell me that the Mafia don't deal in drugs, we all know that is BS to say the least I mean I know the two groups probably don't have very close relationships, but from what I read, the Italian-American mob aren't big anymore when it comes to importing drugs at least, they are like the middle-men now but they don't seem to be fighting with any particular ethnic gang at the moment (E.g. Like the Colombians killing the Cuban cartels in the 80's, Miami).

Haha, the Italian Mafia wouldn't dare bump heads with the Mexican Cartels. They don't have nearly enough street soldiers or influence to even maintain a war like that. The Italian Mafia is run by old heads who are interested in maintaining their illegitimate wealth, so they probably do business with the Cartels and push their product but I highly doubt they want any kind of beef. Those Mexican Cartels are particularly ruthless, as in they will cut off your grandmothers head and leave on your door step in a gift wrapped box just to send a small warning

[The Made Man]

Out of all the gangs. I want the f**king MEXICAN CARTELS to be in the game!!! I mean they could possible to the most powerful gang in the IV universe, they would make a deadly and dangerous antagonist for our protagonist in V!

 

One cartel that seems to be the strongest out of all is the Sinaloa Cartel. I would like them to make an appearance. Why???

 

The Sinaloa Cartel. They employ up to 7000 members throughout the world. The Cosa Nostra's enemy the 'Ndrangheta from Italy works with the Sinaloa cartel, as does the Russian Mafia. The Russian are known to have sold the Sinaloa cartel their first submarines used to traffic narcotics to the US. In addition, the Sinaloa Cartel has members working in Mexico, Central America, Canada, UK, Italy, Nigeria, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Dominican Republic, throughout South America, and in over 230 cities in the United States, and work with some of the most ruthless street, biker, black, hispanic, and asian gangs around. They are currently waging a war against the rival coalition of the Zetas & Juarez cartels. Striking back with their own coalition of cartel, creating 100 man paramilitary groups sent to different cities in Mexico. The DEA has made numerous 'agreements' with the Sinaloa cartel including the latest Kingpin Vicente Zambada. Also they are said to be the richest out of the cartels.

 

These guys should make an appearance.

[Official General]

 

Does anybody know if the Mexican Cartels have any business deals with the Italian-American mafia, not the Italian mafia, the American version (There is a huge difference when you look at them both in detail) but yeah, it's just that recently I read an article on some drug wholesalers or something getting shot up because they competed with the Mexican crime syndicates. This lead me to wonder if the Mexican drug cartels would ever start a war with the Italian-American mob when it came to Drug trafficking, unless they already have business deals going on...

 

Also, don't tell me that the Mafia don't deal in drugs, we all know that is BS to say the least I mean I know the two groups probably don't have very close relationships, but from what I read, the Italian-American mob aren't big anymore when it comes to importing drugs at least, they are like the middle-men now but they don't seem to be fighting with any particular ethnic gang at the moment (E.g. Like the Colombians killing the Cuban cartels in the 80's, Miami).

I'm pretty sure that the Italian-American Mafia and the Mexican drug cartels do have business dealings, but not so frequently and definitely not on a large scale. If anything, the Mexican cartels make most of their money selling drugs wholesale to Dominican drugs gangs acting as middlemen (Their shared Hispanic culture helps) and Hispanic and African-American street gangs, since they control big enough territories to sell crack by the ton. The Italian-American Mafia has never really gained any major market share of the cocaine trade in the United States, ever since it began to boom in the 1970s and 1980s. The American cocaine trade has always been largely controlled by Hispanic drug trafficking syndicates, first the Cubans, then the Colombians and now the Mexicans. The U.S. cocaine trade made the Cuban, Colombian and Mexican drug organizations so much money, that they became so wealthy and powerful enough for Italian-American Mafia not even make the slightest attempt to take over their operations. The Mafia's main drug game in the USA is heroin, and even their market of that has diminished, especially since heroin is also produced in Mexico and Colombia, plus Nigerians are major players in that trade too.

 

The Italian-American Mafia has always dealt in drugs, but most of the time it was done in secrecy. The rule was never, "don't do drugs", it was "do it, but don't get caught or you will die".

[Sanjeem]

 

Does anybody know if the Mexican Cartels have any business deals with the Italian-American mafia, not the Italian mafia, the American version (There is a huge difference when you look at them both in detail) but yeah, it's just that recently I read an article on some drug wholesalers or something getting shot up because they competed with the Mexican crime syndicates. This lead me to wonder if the Mexican drug cartels would ever start a war with the Italian-American mob when it came to Drug trafficking, unless they already have business deals going on...

 

Also, don't tell me that the Mafia don't deal in drugs, we all know that is BS to say the least I mean I know the two groups probably don't have very close relationships, but from what I read, the Italian-American mob aren't big anymore when it comes to importing drugs at least, they are like the middle-men now but they don't seem to be fighting with any particular ethnic gang at the moment (E.g. Like the Colombians killing the Cuban cartels in the 80's, Miami).

I'm pretty sure that the Italian-American Mafia and the Mexican drug cartels do have business dealings, but not so frequently and definitely not on a large scale. If anything, the Mexican cartels make most of their money selling drugs wholesale to Dominican drugs gangs acting as middlemen (Their shared Hispanic culture helps) and Hispanic and African-American street gangs, since they control big enough territories to sell crack by the ton. The Italian-American Mafia has never really gained any major market share of the cocaine trade in the United States, ever since it began to boom in the 1970s and 1980s. The American cocaine trade has always been largely controlled by Hispanic drug trafficking syndicates, first the Cubans, then the Colombians and now the Mexicans. The U.S. cocaine trade made the Cuban, Colombian and Mexican drug organizations so much money, that they became so wealthy and powerful enough for Italian-American Mafia not even make the slightest attempt to take over their operations. The Mafia's main drug game in the USA is heroin, and even their market of that has diminished, especially since heroin is also produced in Mexico and Colombia, plus Nigerians are major players in that trade too.

 

The Italian-American Mafia has always dealt in drugs, but most of the time it was done in secrecy. The rule was never, "don't do drugs", it was "do it, but don't get caught or you will die".

Thanks for that OG, always good to have help from an expert on the subject, makes things much more reliable, rather than people blurting out nonsense.

 

@EscoLehgo : I appreciate the fact that the Mexican drug cartels are extremely ruthless and that they probably are some of the most violent crime groups on the planet, however I was talking about the Italian-American mob as I clearly stated. It does appear they sometimes have business deals, and the Italian Mafia almost certainly has big business deals with the Drug cartels as the Ndrangheta is one of Europe's biggest if not the biggest supplier of cocaine. The question I was trying to ask was that if it was possible that a war would break out. The answer seems to be most likely no because there really wouldn't be any major reasons to start one in the first place. You say the American mafia wouldn't bump heads with the Mexicans, you really never know what is going to happen, they just might you never know, it's happened in other situations before and could just as easily happen with the Mexicans. But really it would probably never resort to that because the Mafia's way of things is totally different to the Cartels. The cartels like to show off their violence to spread fear, whilst the Mafia in America and Italy in general tend to spread fear but in a much more discrete manner as they usually don't want to reach the headlines and want to stay in the shadows. Which one works better depends on your opinion.

[EscoLehGo]

@EscoLehgo : I appreciate the fact that the Mexican drug cartels are extremely ruthless and that they probably are some of the most violent crime groups on the planet, however I was talking about the Italian-American mob as I clearly stated. It does appear they sometimes have business deals, and the Italian Mafia almost certainly has big business deals with the Drug cartels as the Ndrangheta is one of Europe's biggest if not the biggest supplier of cocaine. The question I was trying to ask was that if it was possible that a war would break out. The answer seems to be most likely no because there really wouldn't be any major reasons to start one in the first place. You say the American mafia wouldn't bump heads with the Mexicans, you really never know what is going to happen, they just might you never know, it's happened in other situations before and could just as easily happen with the Mexicans. But really it would probably never resort to that because the Mafia's way of things is totally different to the Cartels. The cartels like to show off their violence to spread fear, whilst the Mafia in America and Italy in general tend to spread fear but in a much more discrete manner as they usually don't want to reach the headlines and want to stay in the shadows. Which one works better depends on your opinion.

It would appear to me that the Italian Mafia wants to work within the system while the Mexican Cartels continuously challenge it and pretty much just make their own rules. I don't think the Mafia would be interested in a conflict with the Cartels, like you said, they probably have business with each other, on what scale who knows, but I do know the Mafia is about staying low key while the Cartels are much more brazen. As to which tactic works better, well they both have their positives and negatives. The positive for the Mafia staying low key is that their operations have become so underground that people question whether they're even around anymore, which is probably exactly how they want it. The positive for the Mexican Cartels being so brazen is that their inhumane violence makes their enemies and competition think twice before they f*ck with them. Overall I'd say the Mexican Cartels way of handling things is probably better in the crime world, not necessarily smarter, but it definitely sends a message. No doubt the Cartels are on the Mafia's radar, they have to know how absolutely bat sh*t crazy and evil those people are and I seriously doubt they want a conflict with them. Not saying the Mafia are pussies but they're not nearly as f*cked up as the Cartels

[coryc90]

I don't care if CJ would be in the game but I don't think he should play a huge roll, maybe have the new main player kill him off or something or work with him on a few missions.

 

I think it would be cool to see what Tommy would look like now. I miss that crazy bastard.

[Sanjeem]

 

@EscoLehgo : I appreciate the fact that the Mexican drug cartels are extremely ruthless and that they probably are some of the most violent crime groups on the planet, however I was talking about the Italian-American mob as I clearly stated. It does appear they sometimes have business deals, and the Italian Mafia almost certainly has big business deals with the Drug cartels as the Ndrangheta is one of Europe's biggest if not the biggest supplier of cocaine. The question I was trying to ask was that if it was possible that a war would break out. The answer seems to be most likely no because there really wouldn't be any major reasons to start one in the first place. You say the American mafia wouldn't bump heads with the Mexicans, you really never know what is going to happen, they just might you never know, it's happened in other situations before and could just as easily happen with the Mexicans. But really it would probably never resort to that because the Mafia's way of things is totally different to the Cartels. The cartels like to show off their violence to spread fear, whilst the Mafia in America and Italy in general tend to spread fear but in a much more discrete manner as they usually don't want to reach the headlines and want to stay in the shadows. Which one works better depends on your opinion.

It would appear to me that the Italian Mafia wants to work within the system while the Mexican Cartels continuously challenge it and pretty much just make their own rules. I don't think the Mafia would be interested in a conflict with the Cartels, like you said, they probably have business with each other, on what scale who knows, but I do know the Mafia is about staying low key while the Cartels are much more brazen. As to which tactic works better, well they both have their positives and negatives. The positive for the Mafia staying low key is that their operations have become so underground that people question whether they're even around anymore, which is probably exactly how they want it. The positive for the Mexican Cartels being so brazen is that their inhumane violence makes their enemies and competition think twice before they f*ck with them. Overall I'd say the Mexican Cartels way of handling things is probably better in the crime world, not necessarily smarter, but it definitely sends a message. No doubt the Cartels are on the Mafia's radar, they have to know how absolutely bat sh*t crazy and evil those people are and I seriously doubt they want a conflict with them. Not saying the Mafia are pussies but they're not nearly as f*cked up as the Cartels

Amen to that, If I went to Italy for the summer holidays and it turned into Mexico, damn that would be pretty bad and tragic also (Not being offensive to Mexico, Italy is messed up in a lot of ways, but much less violent that's all I'm saying). I completely agree with you on that matter though and it sounds like you know what your talking about anyway. I sort of agree with you in one aspect, that yes other crime groups will definitely think twice about starting conflict with the drug cartels and would much rather ally with them for that reason. However if you ask me, when people all over the world see these atrocities being committed, these massacres, it does bring about a lot of attention. Nearly 40,000 drug gang related deaths since 2006 in Mexico, I mean Jesus! That is obviously going to bring about trouble for the groups.

 

For example, the United states have even considered legalizing drugs because these psychos supply a lot of the U.S. drug market , we all know that will not happen any time soon but these kinds of international talks probably wouldn't even happen if the Mexican Cartels weren't so damn violent. The Italian Mafia is one of the key cocaine and drug suppliers in Europe, especially the Ndrangheta who have a net over a lot of European countries including the US, Canada and Australia and a very tight one over Germany. Most of Germany's cocaine is trafficked by Italian organized crime groups but I bet unless you got your head down and did some real into depth research, people would not know that.

 

If you see what I mean.

 

Sorry of this is a little off topic guys, but why not discuss these interesting things here. After all it is about gangs!

Edited March 10, 2012 by Sanjeem

[lazloisdavrock]

ya know I would love for the grove street families to come back in this, GTA5 is based in present day maybe gangs wont be as a huge part in the game.

 

Gang issues were aswul in the 90's in LA, NOT saying it isn't now, but its considerably less.

 

It would be neat to drive back to grove street

Edited March 10, 2012 by lazloisdavrock

[Turbojohn]

Rockstar said that the game will focus on "the pursuit of the almighty dollar in a re-imagined, present-day Southern California."

That means that If they appear they will probably not be very important to the story as they were in san andreas. They may appear in missions and on the street. But they won't be anywhere near importand IMO

 

I'd love if they appeared and you could mess with them. And call the cops while they chase you. And watch the cops VS Gangs scene. But Gangs in Los Santos is pretty obvious to me that there will be gangs as in all GTA's but its been 20 years. They may have been all conquered by other gangs. Or not