bluetops Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Why does R* spend it's time developing games like Max Payne 3 when the GTA series is clearly more profitable? GTA obviously has 10x the fanbase and it's probably 10x as profitable. I just don't understand. If Take Two is in the business of making profits for it's shareholders, why would they even waste their time on Max Payne 3? They to make the Max Payne series popular as it said to be rated highly but appreciated as low as hell is. They want to create a new fanbase for another game so in case Grand Theft Auto falls(I doubt it),they will have something to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73duster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 No one really knows. My guess is that Dan Housers an incredibly stubborn childish c*nt who refuses to work on anything except what he wants to work on at the moment. You are a demented retard. Having the audacity to call ANYONE a stubborn, childish c*nt, when you are the best example of such a description, only proves that you have the self awareness of a gnat. I assume that the only reason you have been allowed to continue your one man( doubtful) crusade to bash Dan Houser is that the mods have taken pity on a clearly mentally challenged living thing like yourself. You should have joined Joan Crawford right out the door. DOUCHEBAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The fact is more like Take2, the parent Company wanting a stable of franchises, not just GTA, as it stands, no one there predicted GTA being a success to it's degree, but it's also true RDR came into it's own in short order, like Naughty Dog's success with Uncharted, a new franchise that really won people's hearts and minds The hard fact I'm getting at is you'd be waiting for the game with no other releases, it takes time to build quality, no matter what the item for sale is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotGunRain Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Max Payne 3 official second trailer tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/arti...ruary-16th.html Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azali10 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Because no matter how much you resent the fact that rockstar is working on it, Max Payne is still a badass game. I for one, still play Max Payne 1 and 2 and look forward to playing 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotGunRain Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/arti...ruary-16th.html Can't wait! If you can't wait for the second trailer how are you going to wait for Gta V second trailer lol. Oh how i wished it said GTA V Second trailer tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abottig Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Why does R* spend it's time developing games like Max Payne 3 when the GTA series is clearly more profitable? GTA obviously has 10x the fanbase and it's probably 10x as profitable. I just don't understand. If Take Two is in the business of making profits for it's shareholders, why would they even waste their time on Max Payne 3? Hahahahahahaha You want a GTA every year? No. Thank. You. So what does R* do in the meantime? They make AWESOME games, like Red Dead and Max Payne 3. I've been gaming since Atari 5200. Gaming has NEVER been better than it is now. The amount of excellent games out there is more than enough to hold me over until the next GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/arti...ruary-16th.html Can't wait! If you can't wait for the second trailer how are you going to wait for Gta V second trailer lol. Oh how i wished it said GTA V Second trailer tomorrow Because MP3 has a set release date and I pre-ordered the Special Edition! Once GTA V has a set release date, then I won't be able to wait for the next batch of news or trailers. But for now, my focus is on MP3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrzChris4 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/arti...ruary-16th.html Can't wait! If you can't wait for the second trailer how are you going to wait for Gta V second trailer lol. Oh how i wished it said GTA V Second trailer tomorrow Because there has been nothing shown in the Grand Theft Auto V trailer that makes me scream "wow!" unlike what has been shown for Max Payne 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Rockstar is right not to try to crank out GTA installments every year or even every other year. An explosion of creativity let GTA III and Vice City happen within 2 years but if they had kept that pace then every map would be the same size and the game would barely evolve from release to release. I think it's safe to say that if GTA XV was coming out this year instead of GTA V, it would not be special. It probably wouldn't even be happening. The original team would have burned out years ago and some new people would be doing an iffy remake like GTA Liberty City Anniversary or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBrat Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Why does R* spend it's time developing games like Max Payne 3 when the GTA series is clearly more profitable? GTA obviously has 10x the fanbase and it's probably 10x as profitable. I just don't understand. If Take Two is in the business of making profits for it's shareholders, why would they even waste their time on Max Payne 3? Exactly! Why doesn't this multimillion dollar company just pull all of its investment into cranking out sequels of a single product? Really, R* should fire everyone and hire you instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 No one really knows. My guess is that Dan Housers an incredibly stubborn childish c*nt who refuses to work on anything except what he wants to work on at the moment. You are a demented retard. Having the audacity to call ANYONE a stubborn, childish c*nt, when you are the best example of such a description, only proves that you have the self awareness of a gnat. I assume that the only reason you have been allowed to continue your one man( doubtful) crusade to bash Dan Houser is that the mods have taken pity on a clearly mentally challenged living thing like yourself. You should have joined Joan Crawford right out the door. DOUCHEBAG. Ah, and Dan Houser posts from his account again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBrat Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 If hating Zee is the only requirement for being Dan Houser then I guess I'm Dan Houser too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staten Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Why does R* spend it's time developing games like Max Payne 3 when the GTA series is clearly more profitable? GTA obviously has 10x the fanbase and it's probably 10x as profitable. I just don't understand. If Take Two is in the business of making profits for it's shareholders, why would they even waste their time on Max Payne 3? Exactly! Why doesn't this multimillion dollar company just pull all of its investment into cranking out sequels of a single product? Really, R* should fire everyone and hire you instead. Never a truer word spoken. As the saying goes "You should totally put all your eggs in one basket. No, of course nothing's going to happen to the basket. Those things last for years." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeebuuus Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 No one really knows. My guess is that Dan Housers an incredibly stubborn childish c*nt who refuses to work on anything except what he wants to work on at the moment. You are a demented retard. Having the audacity to call ANYONE a stubborn, childish c*nt, when you are the best example of such a description, only proves that you have the self awareness of a gnat. I assume that the only reason you have been allowed to continue your one man( doubtful) crusade to bash Dan Houser is that the mods have taken pity on a clearly mentally challenged living thing like yourself. You should have joined Joan Crawford right out the door. DOUCHEBAG. Ah, and Dan Houser posts from his account again. I think Zee is an agent provocateur from R*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpolfan11 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Why does R* spend it's time developing games like Max Payne 3 when the GTA series is clearly more profitable? GTA obviously has 10x the fanbase and it's probably 10x as profitable. I just don't understand. If Take Two is in the business of making profits for it's shareholders, why would they even waste their time on Max Payne 3? Exactly! Why doesn't this multimillion dollar company just pull all of its investment into cranking out sequels of a single product? Really, R* should fire everyone and hire you instead. I asked an innocent question in the original post. I didn't suggest that R* cease production of MP3 and produce endless sequels of GTA V instead. I have no idea how you can possibly think that's what I meant when posted that. I posed this question because I just couldn't help but notice the lack of hype for MP3 compared to other recent R* titles like RDR or LA Noire. Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying, so I don't think it's that outlandish to wonder why R* would pour millions into developing the game. Of course, there have been many good posts that have helped me understand why MP3 is being made from a business perspective, so I thank those particular users for enlightening me on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 No one is saying Rockstar should be a one trick horse, but they do need to do two things. A. Remember the GTA formula B. Focus on GTA GTA should always be the main focus, ALWAYS. After Red Dead it should of been GTA not L.A. Noire and Max Payne up next. I'm basically saying there should be a cycle. A non GTA game, then GTA then non etc etc. Also games that remain true to GTA's open world formula like Bully and RDR are amazing, but other sh*t like L.A. Noire, Max Payne, Table Tennis and Midnight Club? Those are waste of time and honestly they just don't interest me. But hey they won't listen to me or the rest of the fans that feel the same way so yeah, I guess we get Max Payne in the meantime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying, Uh, no it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveMediaExecutive Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Not a single game company can survive off the profits of just one franchise in the long run, they need new IPs if they want to stay afloat in between installments of their bigger franchises and in this day and age with development costs skyrocketing as well as game prices which do affect sales to an extent this is plain vital. Also it's to note Rockstar is a very particular company who like to make games about sort of "outlaw" subjects that you usually only find in movies, take a look at their franchises/IPs and the subjects they are about: Grand Theft Auto - Organized Crime Midnight Club - Street Racing Smuggler's Run - Smuggling stuff across borders Manhunt - Snuff films Red Dead - Outlaw/Wild West L.A. Noire - Classic Film Noir Bully - Teen Rebellion Max Payne - Rogue Cop/Neo-Noir State of Emergency - Rioting/Government Fascism The Italian Job - Heist/based off of '60's cult film The Warriors - Street Gangs/based off of '70's cult film Agent - '60's Cold War Espionage (Note: They also published Austin Powers! games for the Game Boy Color in 2000 so not their first foray into the genre) Notice a pattern? All subjects which aren't your typical videogame fare. If you have all these resources and have the chance to take games to a whole other level, would you stick with one franchises just for profits? They obviously want to take games to levels where they never have been before, it's a lot more than just profits for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abottig Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 No one is saying Rockstar should be a one trick horse, but they do need to do two things. A. Remember the GTA formula B. Focus on GTA GTA should always be the main focus, ALWAYS. After Red Dead it should of been GTA not L.A. Noire and Max Payne up next. I'm basically saying there should be a cycle. A non GTA game, then GTA then non etc etc. Also games that remain true to GTA's open world formula like Bully and RDR are amazing, but other sh*t like L.A. Noire, Max Payne, Table Tennis and Midnight Club? Those are waste of time and honestly they just don't interest me. But hey they won't listen to me or the rest of the fans that feel the same way so yeah, I guess we get Max Payne in the meantime Table Tennis was the first game to use the RAGE engine. It was an insight at the time into what GTA IV would potentially look like. RDR and MP3 are the next evolution of the RAGE engine and Euphoria. These games are showcasing what we'll see in GTA V. GTA V info is right in front of your face. Look at MP3, and you'll get a good idea of where the RAGE engine is at, and how they've tweaked Euphoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Those are waste of time and honestly they just don't interest me. Yeah they don't interest YOU. However you're NOT the entire R* fanbase are you? Believe it or not people actually like LA Noire, Max Payne and Midnight Club. Can't really say much for Table Tennis, but I'm thinking it was made primarily to test out R.A.G.E. There's too many selfish and obnoxious pricks on the net that think because something doesn't interest them everyone else should conform to it as well. If you have no interest that's fine, but what you're suggesting is R* should stop everything else they're doing and only cater to the GTA fanboys who refuse to play anything else that isn't remotely like GTA. I don't know why R* can't try something different to what they normally do like LA Noire. Infact I'm really hoping R* make a full fledged horror game one day. Something in the vein of Silent Hill or Resident Evil. One of the reasons I like R* is they often try things most other developers wouldn't, but saying they should only make open world games is borderline retarded IMO. Edited February 16, 2012 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying No they are Not dying.. Look at Uncharted (BEST NEW IP THIS GEN!!) and Gears of War (good triolgy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Again, I don't know why people bash on MP3 when it'll benefit GTA V greatly in mechanics and RAGE improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73duster Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Why does R* spend it's time developing games like Max Payne 3 when the GTA series is clearly more profitable? GTA obviously has 10x the fanbase and it's probably 10x as profitable. I just don't understand. If Take Two is in the business of making profits for it's shareholders, why would they even waste their time on Max Payne 3? Exactly! Why doesn't this multimillion dollar company just pull all of its investment into cranking out sequels of a single product? Really, R* should fire everyone and hire you instead. I asked an innocent question in the original post. I didn't suggest that R* cease production of MP3 and produce endless sequels of GTA V instead. I have no idea how you can possibly think that's what I meant when posted that. I posed this question because I just couldn't help but notice the lack of hype for MP3 compared to other recent R* titles like RDR or LA Noire. Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying, so I don't think it's that outlandish to wonder why R* would pour millions into developing the game. Of course, there have been many good posts that have helped me understand why MP3 is being made from a business perspective, so I thank those particular users for enlightening me on the subject. You are absolutely wrong to say that the 3rd person shooter is dying. In fact, the video game industry is overpopulated by 1st person shooters, which will lead to a decline due to overexposure. There are too many 1st person shooters in the market, and most of them are cranked out on an annual basis. The biggest offender is Call of Duty, which is slowly gaining a bad reputation for being repetitive and dull. It was innovative and groundbreaking years ago, but now they just slap on a fresh coat of paint and redistribute the same game to the public every year. If you've played one, you've played them all. MP3 has been in the making for a long time, as is the norm with all of Rockstars titles. I love GTA, and in my opinion, it's the single greatest game franchise of all time hands down, but that does'nt mean that it's the only game worthy of playing, or development. Thank god that Rockstar does'nt take cues from companies like EA, who routinely put out the same games year after year, after slapping on a couple of tiny changes and renaming what is virtually last years game. The list of first person shooters is WAY too long to list here, but if anything is on the verge of death, it's certainly NOT the 3rd person shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't see why everyone is hating on MP3. GTA V and future titles will build upon the RAGE engine featured in that game, similar to how GTA IV built upon the RAGE engine featured in Table Tennis, etc. MP3 features mechanics never seen in video games before, and also mechanics that have been done before, but this time done better because of the engine. For example, how every bullet is rendered out, or the kill cam, or prone shooting, or the Euphoria animations, AI, detail, etc. You call yourself fans of GTA, but you don't see how much GTA relies on other titles in the Rockstar library to work properly. Without MP3, we probably wouldn't have the amazing Euphoria animations. Without LA Noire, we probably wouldn't have the amazing attention to detail. Without RDR, we probably wouldn't have a huge countryside to fool around in. Without all other games using the RAGE engine, we'd just have GTA IV set in Los Santos. GTA V is a brand new game using new technology featured in past games that have been greatly improved on. Those who say otherwise are completely ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't see why everyone is hating on MP3. GTA V and future titles will build upon the RAGE engine featured in that game, similar to how GTA IV built upon the RAGE engine featured in Table Tennis, etc. MP3 features mechanics never seen in video games before, and also mechanics that have been done before, but this time done better because of the engine. For example, how every bullet is rendered out, or the kill cam, or prone shooting, or the Euphoria animations, AI, detail, etc. You call yourself fans of GTA, but you don't see how much GTA relies on other titles in the Rockstar library to work properly. Without MP3, we probably wouldn't have the amazing Euphoria animations. Without LA Noire, we probably wouldn't have the amazing attention to detail. Without RDR, we probably wouldn't have a huge countryside to fool around in. Without all other games using the RAGE engine, we'd just have GTA IV set in Los Santos. GTA V is a brand new game using new technology featured in past games that have been greatly improved on. Those who say otherwise are completely ignorant. Now THIS^^ is a good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpolfan11 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying, Uh, no it's not. First person shooters are more popular than ever, whereas in the early 2000s, it could be said that the two were fairly even in sales. Unless MP3, Resident Evil 6, and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, generate a huge amount of hype that results in high sales (which I personally doubt will happen) it can be said that 3rd person shooters are in fact, a dying genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTMILFDAD Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying, Uh, no it's not. First person shooters are more popular than ever, whereas in the early 2000s, it could be said that the two were fairly even in sales. Unless MP3, Resident Evil 6, and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, generate a huge amount of hype that results in high sales (which I personally doubt will happen) it can be said that 3rd person shooters are in fact, a dying genre. You're daft. You're really going to sit there and tell me TPS' are dying? When games such as Uncharted and Gears of War 3 as well as countless other titles (soon to include MP3, and RE6), sell copies in the high millions on the first day/week? TPS' aren't a dying breed. In fact, I believe after this COD craze has died down due to saturation, TPS' will take over the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpolfan11 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Plus, no one can deny that the 3rd-person shooter genre is dying No they are Not dying.. Look at Uncharted (BEST NEW IP THIS GEN!!) and Gears of War (good triolgy) Uncharted is about as much of a 3rd person shooter as Tomb Raider was, which doesn't make it a 3rd person shooter in my opinion. I'd call it an adventure game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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