Slamman Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Yes, but there's no DIRECT comment to reply to, my post is to aid a system build/er, that's why it's not covering info already posted. AMD and nVidia are discussed because beforehand ATI and AMD were separate before the buyout, and nVidia was associated with nForce for AMD boards. Now there's been legal issues that would require Intel to allow nVidia more leeway, A move to support PCIexpress, as I brought up when I read it. Intel might not support the slots required for add ons, if they were to chose a new way for the Industry to go in. They have the clout! Edited February 15, 2012 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperativity Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Hey guys, I'm selling my Xbox today to someone for £120. This means that I'll have £620 overall to spend on new computer components. I've decided on these: ATI Radeon 7950 i5 2500K I was also going to go with this motherboard, but altogether, that equals £639.14. I don't suppose you guys could help find me a motherboard for £20 less than £114.82. I'm not a lazy bastard, I just have no clue as to which motherboards are considered suitable. Thanks in advance. Also, does anyone know if it's possible to Crossfire an ATI Radeon 5870 with a 7950? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Also, does anyone know if it's possible to Crossfire an ATI Radeon 5870 with a 7950? Cheers. No, you can only use Crossfire/SLI on cards of the same model, e. g. you can't pare a GTX 560 with a GTX 580. As for the CPU and GPU, that looks like an awesome game machine. Sadly, I cannot give you advice on the motherboard Although, I believe that motherboard is better for an i7. I have the same CPU you want and use an AsRock P67 PRO3, which does the job perfectly EDIT Don't know if you can use the HD 7950 with PCI-E 2.0 Edited February 15, 2012 by Exxon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yes, you can. I'm pretty sure it'd work even with PCIe 1.0. P67 Pro3 is cheap yet decent mobo, though it's not available in scan.co.uk. You can get it in other stores though: http://skinflint.co.uk/620932 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yes, you can. I'm pretty sure it'd work even with PCIe 1.0. Alright then, another thing I learned today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) You have 3 topics now, all for basically the same thing. First it was help with a £500 upgrade. Next was a £600 upgrade. And now it's picking a mobo for the same build. It's just not needed. I'm going to combine these all into 1 topic called: Looking to upgrade my PC @Exxon Actually you can SLI a GTX 560 and GTX 580 together since they are in the same GPU family, however the 580 will run like a 560. What you can't do is SLI a GTX 470 and GTX 570 even though they have the same number of Cores and their speeds are close to being the same. There are rare cases like the GTS 250 and the 9800GTX+ since the GTS 250 is a rebranded 9800GTX+. When you do use 2 cards like a GTX 470 and GTX 570, or even something like a 9800GT, although you can't SLI them you can make one card run as the primary GPU while the other is a dedicated PhysX card. The only problem here is that it'll be useful with games that supports nVidia's PhysX which is but a small handful. Games like Batman: Arkham Asylum / Arkham City and Mafia II. For a full list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysX#PhysX_in_video_games I had thought about doing this with my GTX560Ti and GTX460, that is until I saw the limited list of games and just said forget it. I played Arkham Asylum max settings @1920x1080 on my rig, while I have no idea what the framerates were it was always flawless so I don't care if I was getting 32fps or 132fps; flawless is flawless at any fps and that is what's important. Edited February 15, 2012 by Wolf68k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 @ExxonActually you can SLI a GTX 560 and GTX 580 together since they are in the same GPU family, however the 580 will run like a 560. What you can't do is SLI a GTX 470 and GTX 570 even though they have the same number of Cores and their speeds are close to being the same. There are rare cases like the GTS 250 and the 9800GTX+ since the GTS 250 is a rebranded 9800GTX+. When you do use 2 cards like a GTX 470 and GTX 570, or even something like a 9800GT, although you can't SLI them you can make one card run as the primary GPU while the other is a dedicated PhysX card. The only problem here is that it'll be useful with games that supports nVidia's PhysX which is but a small handful. Games like Batman: Arkham Asylum / Arkham City and Mafia II. For a full list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysX#PhysX_in_video_games I had thought about doing this with my GTX560Ti and GTX460, that is until I saw the limited list of games and just said forget it. I played Arkham Asylum max settings @1920x1080 on my rig, while I have no idea what the framerates were it was always flawless so I don't care if I was getting 32fps or 132fps; flawless is flawless at any fps and that is what's important. Yet anóther thing I learned today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Actually you can SLI a GTX 560 and GTX 580 together since they are in the same GPU family, however the 580 will run like a 560. Are you sure? I thought that was possible only with Radeon cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 As long as the GPUs are the same you can SLI them. I did make kind of a mistake. The GTX560 is listed has having 2 different GPUs. The 560 both Ti and non-Ti use the GF114 but then there is the Ti 448 which uses the GF110. The GTX 570, 580 and 590 also use the GF110. When I was looking this up so that I could use the 560 and 580 for the above example I over looked the fact that the 560Ti I was looking at said 448 Core. I did notice the 560's GPU above that but didn't look to see it said Ti and that there was the non-Ti above that. My source for the GPU models: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_500_Series#Products Plus I keep forgetting there is the non-Ti as well. Very simple mistake, more so when you're in a rush and tired. Sorry. What to make the 560 Ti thing more confusing, look at this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of...orce_500_Series There is the Ti, the Ti OEM and the Ti 448. Now why in the hell is the OEM the same GF110 as the 448? Now I am right about the GTS 250 and 9800GTX+, they both use the G92b, as does the GT230 and 9800GT Green Edition (oh wtf?) which is different from the 9800GT which uses the G92a/b and that's the same as the GTS 240. Good thing there's a chart so you don't get confused, right?....even though the chart is confusing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I bought two cards not knowing really how close they are, both the Palit 512 version 8600GT, and yeah, an 8800GTX SLi would be the best, but I already had my ONE card, and getting another on the cheap was what worked Memory speed and size should match, make sure in most cases this is true, if a board supports Dual Channel or more, having your memory matched spec wise (not brand wise) should aid in having it perform as such, though there are small differences among price tiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 You can't SLI a 8600GT and a 8800GTX. The 8600GT is a G84 and while the 8800GTX is a G80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 No, I wouldn't say that anyway, I personally wound up getting an 8600GT from MicroCenter, bought it's companion for mating on eBay...the point is the 8800GTX is still a major gaming card pick, and should perform even better in SLi mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 You're right having 2 cards the same model number would SLI just fine, but we were talking about mix&matching cards of different models and still be able to SLI. And yes while 2x8800GTX would be better than 1x8600GT, I think running 2x8600GT might be better than 1x8800GTX. Don't quote me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't dare! As you know I'm sure, mix and matching RAM in particular defaults to the slowest speed of any of the sticks, if you want dual channel RAM, make sure they are close in spec that even if they weren't bought together as a set, the specs on a software tool show them nearly if not completly the same. Shouldn't cause anything like a meltdown I still can't find much about the 8600GT, like the HD5450, the reviews I noted jumped from the HD 4xxx to the HD6xxx series to compare the cards, which is pretty odd. Is the G98 relating specific to the GPU for this listing? Not entirely sure since the seller is more concerned with pointing out compatibility model numbers then the card's specs http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACER-4930-4925-452...2#ht_3805wt_942 Edited February 19, 2012 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 No one is talking about mix/matching RAM, so why you are bring it up? 8600GT reviews http://www.google.com/search?btnG=Google+S...q=8600GT+review HD5450 reviews http://www.google.com/search?btnG=Google+S...q=HD5450+review As for your Acer graphics card there, that hard is a 9300M GS according to http://hk-lrf.en.made-in-china.com/product...98-630-U2-.html Yes it is pretty much the same G98 GPU used by desktop version of the 9300, 8300 and 8400GS rev2 (the first 8400GS used a G86) and the G100. There are also a number of Quadro cards both desktop and mobile that used it. And other mobile GPUs besides the 9300M GS that used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) I bring it up because it's the same principle, GPU cards employ RAM, it maybe GDDR, but it's still much the same, and again, same rule of thumb. By reviews, I was basically moaning about in the press, magazines I was looking at seemed to skip the models I wound up with, and I know, you can laugh, but some were enough to get by Sparkle AGPx8 6200 nVidia, ATI Radeon 9200, (SE I believe) a few others, I tend to forget, the Dell Go4200 I had was not too impressive at all, for a laptop vid card, but I bought it for RAM and it replaced a nVidia Quadro (originally, a defective purchase) I have in my M60 I just got, will see some gaming improvement, even though the Quadro is more keen for use with CAD apps Edited February 19, 2012 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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