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Dude. You're comparing GTA V to THIS game?? Really? A game with graphics almost as basic as Minecraft?

 

Anyways. Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't. Whatever, as demonstrated in the trailer, it looks like animals are included nonetheless.

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You do kill plenty of not so harmless animals in Red Dead Red, now imagine they have house break ins return as a side mission, you have to use stealth to avoid waking the residents, (using past GTA SA as an example) but a barking or attack dog protects the place, home or warehouse? It'd be a neat addition to GTA gaming

If they put AI dogs in GTAV, great idea, as you say, to have them bark and attack, like guard dogs or junkyard dogs at selected locations; would be a nice bit of realism and add an element to the challenge.

 

Also, someone mentioned in a different topic that K-9 dogs could perhaps track you to your hiding place in the city, when you have a wanted level. This is assuming that the cop AI is improved over GTA IV (where the cops converge on you like zombies or like bloodhounds, even when you are well hidden and logically should be able to wait out the cops' search).

 

Similarly, the rural sheriffs who are chasing you across the countryside could unleash bloodhounds to track you (when you are on foot, having destroyed your car in any number of GTA-like ways).

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You do kill plenty of not so harmless animals in Red Dead Red, now imagine they have house break ins return as a side mission, you have to use stealth to avoid waking the residents, (using past GTA SA as an example) but a barking or attack dog protects the place, home or warehouse? It'd be a neat addition to GTA gaming

If they put AI dogs in GTAV, great idea, as you say, to have them bark and attack, like guard dogs or junkyard dogs at selected locations; would be a nice bit of realism and add an element to the challenge.

 

Also, someone mentioned in a different topic that K-9 dogs could perhaps track you to your hiding place in the city, when you have a wanted level. This is assuming that the cop AI is improved over GTA IV (where the cops converge on you like zombies or like bloodhounds, even when you are well hidden and logically should be able to wait out the cops' search).

 

Similarly, the rural sheriffs who are chasing you across the countryside could unleash bloodhounds to track you (when you are on foot, having destroyed your car in any number of GTA-like ways).

Yes that would be cool and I'm so eager to see all the improvements that have been made in the last four years mostly because of all the new things they have learned with rdr and now max Payne 3

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

It would be kind of grim and would take away from the light-heartedness of it.

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

It would be kind of grim and would take away from the light-heartedness of it.

What? How is killing adults lighthearted? I like the way you think man

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

It would be kind of grim and would take away from the light-heartedness of it.

What? How is killing adults lighthearted? I like the way you think man

I don't know, but they manage to make it feel like it's all fun and games, and children playing on the streets being killed would detract from that. It's the same reason there are no female police officers in GTA.

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

It would be kind of grim and would take away from the light-heartedness of it.

What? How is killing adults lighthearted? I like the way you think man

I don't know, but they manage to make it feel like it's all fun and games, and children playing on the streets being killed would detract from that. It's the same reason there are no female police officers in GTA.

I feel female police officers would actually make the game better and if they were sometime included would you still play it? How do you know for sure it would make it less fun with kids, have you played games with children before that you had to kill?

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

It would be kind of grim and would take away from the light-heartedness of it.

What? How is killing adults lighthearted? I like the way you think man

I don't know, but they manage to make it feel like it's all fun and games, and children playing on the streets being killed would detract from that. It's the same reason there are no female police officers in GTA.

I feel female police officers would actually make the game better and if they were sometime included would you still play it? How do you know for sure it would make it less fun with kids, have you played games with children before that you had to kill?

Of course I'd still play it and it wouldn't detract from the fun, it would just be slightly disconcerting.

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Of course I'm fine with it, but the activists sure as hell aren't.

I don't think any animal rights organisations are going to devote resources to protesting a video game. It wouldn't really make sense. If PETA kicked up a fuss about GTA I think a lot of people would rethink their involvement with the organisation.

 

As far as children go, I wouldn't be happy about having little girls being knocked off their bikes and slamming into my grill as I escape the police.

I guess that would be a little weird but there really is no difference between killing an adult or child in a videogame because in the end they are all just f*cking pixels

It would be kind of grim and would take away from the light-heartedness of it.

What? How is killing adults lighthearted? I like the way you think man

I don't know, but they manage to make it feel like it's all fun and games, and children playing on the streets being killed would detract from that. It's the same reason there are no female police officers in GTA.

I feel female police officers would actually make the game better and if they were sometime included would you still play it? How do you know for sure it would make it less fun with kids, have you played games with children before that you had to kill?

Of course I'd still play it and it wouldn't detract from the fun, it would just be slightly disconcerting.

Oh I understand now

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Forgive me if I sound preachy, but let me clear something up for everyone. Humans are a species of animal. It says a lot that people would be more bothered by seeing non-human animals being attacked than humans. Maybe that explains why we kill each other on a whim in this world. Because we just love killing each other and it doesn't bother us. If they used non-human animals in the same way that was in Red Dead Redemption I don't think too many people would find a reason to be offended. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir but it's just a game. If it offends you then don't play it.

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Forgive me if I sound preachy, but let me clear something up for everyone. Humans are a species of animal. It says a lot that people would be more bothered by seeing non-human animals being attacked than humans. Maybe that explains why we kill each other on a whim in this world. Because we just love killing each other and it doesn't bother us. If they used non-human animals in the same way that was in Red Dead Redemption I don't think too many people would find a reason to be offended. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir but it's just a game. If it offends you then don't play it.

Very true

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Uhmm, they already grew some balls, and they showed us that with Red Dead Redemption, there were hundreds of animals you could kill, so get your facts straight before you say Rockstar is scared to put animals in a game, because they already did!

We're talkin' about GTA here retard, sorry if this is too quick for you to follow suicidal.gif

Big difference between killin' a buffalo for his hide and blowing up a box full of puppies and watchin' the parts fly. If R* really had any balls we'd be able to kick babies in the face if we felt like it.

 

Remember back when you could sniper someone and their head would pop and blood would shoot out their neck? Next the head just "dissapeared", and now you can't decapitate anyone at all. As the realism increases, the violence is toned down 'cause they're scared of a lil' AO rating (like Manhunt 2).

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Uhmm, they already grew some balls, and they showed us that with Red Dead Redemption, there were hundreds of animals you could kill, so get your facts straight before you say Rockstar is scared to put animals in a game, because they already did!

We're talkin' about GTA here retard, sorry if this is too quick for you to follow suicidal.gif

Big difference between killin' a buffalo for his hide and blowing up a box full of puppies and watchin' the parts fly. If R* really had any balls we'd be able to kick babies in the face if we felt like it.

 

Remember back when you could sniper someone and their head would pop and blood would shoot out their neck? Next the head just "dissapeared", and now you can't decapitate anyone at all. As the realism increases, the violence is toned down 'cause they're scared of a lil' AO rating (like Manhunt 2).

It's ironic you call someone else a "retard" and then say R* is "scared of a little AO rating" and if they "had any balls" we'd be able to kick infants in the face. Are you serious? You do understand why game companies avoid the AO rating at all costs, right? Despite what you may think, R* isn't making this game for you. They're making it to make lots and lots of money. An AO rating means sales go from 20 million copies to 2 million copies. You referenced Manhunt 2...the game sold something like 19,000 copies in the first two months of being released and was banned in multiple countries when it was originally given the AO rating.

 

On top of that...the notion that R* lacks balls, or is cowardly for not including animals or children in GTA is ridiculous. As I mentioned earlier in the thread: just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If R* saw a reason to include animals in the past, they would have. They did so in RDR because it made sense. In V, it appears they have a reason and will probably include them too. In terms of children, it's not the goal of R* to allow you to do anything and everything...just as many things as possible that they find to be cool. There's nothing to be gained by including children in the game.

 

I'm sure people will yell "they're just pixels!" and start calling me an idiot...but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game! I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA. As Melchior said earlier, it would remove some of the light-heartedness of the game. I'd still buy and play it like crazy...but I just prefer it to stay with adults.

 

You said R* tones down the violence as the realism goes up...but I disagree. Having blood spray on the wall behind a guy after you've shot him in the head is more violent than a cartoonish geyser of blood coming off an equally cartoonish body. You're right about one thing: it's more realistic. They couldn't have the same cartoony things which were over-the-top bloody because it didn't follow suit with the realistic tone they were going for. You're also forgetting that GTA IV was released four years ago. There were limitations to what they knew about the graphics capabilities, etc. If you shoot someone in the face in RDR, you see people's faces are totally mutilated. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something similar or perhaps even more advanced in GTA V.

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I don't understand why activists blame a video game like GTA for bad stuff happening in real life even though GTA has a warning that people shall not imitate,re-enact, or do in real life. Are they f*cking blind? Don't they have minds and common sense? Seriously, it's just like blaming yourself for the mistakes of others.

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I think Rockstar will and should go with animals in GTA V.

 

Squirrels, dogs, deer and bear in the wild etc.

 

As someone said earlier, I would have no qualms about shooting an attack dog that was chasing me but I personally do want to run over one on the side street in game - that is the difference. I don't mind dogs in the game as long as they are not on every street.

 

RDR handled animals exceptionally well and really added to the immersion - I hope Rockstar continues this in V.

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I'm sure people will yell "they're just pixels!" and start calling me an idiot...but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game!  I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA.  As Melchior said earlier, it would remove some of the light-heartedness of the game.  I'd still buy and play it like crazy...but I just prefer it to stay with adults.

You know i've never even noticed that kids aren't in GTA... and i probably won't notice they're not in GTAV either.

 

Animals would be a good addition, police dogs, farm animals and wild beasts all make for a more realistic living world and stumbling across snakes etc would make the countryside all the more interesting and edgy IMO.

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I'm sure people will yell "they're just pixels!" and start calling me an idiot...but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game!  I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA.  As Melchior said earlier, it would remove some of the light-heartedness of the game.  I'd still buy and play it like crazy...but I just prefer it to stay with adults.

You know i've never even noticed that kids aren't in GTA... and i probably won't notice they're not in GTAV either.

 

Animals would be a good addition, police dogs, farm animals and wild beasts all make for a more realistic living world and stumbling across snakes etc would make the countryside all the more interesting and edgy IMO.

Agree 100%. Thank you for making sense. What you're suggesting fits well into the world they're creating and I think it'd be cool.

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There's nothing to be gained by including children in the game.

Uhhh, ever heard of a thing called "fun"? I think it's why I play GTA at all bud. And you're right, R* isn't making games for us anymore, it is all for the quick profit and that's what makes tired of them (and most game dev companies these days). And then people like you make excuses for their cowardice and lazyiness. This attuitude of "it's not necessary" is what holds game dev back (look at all the uncessesary sh*t in Skyrim, didn't scare them).

 

Also Manhunt 2 sold so little because it sucked. AO didn't mean as much as all around terrible reviews. GTA franchise has a big enough following they could get away with anything now.

 

 

but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game! I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA

Well aren't you quick to pass judgement (friggin Facist). I'm sure there's a lot of Jack Thompson's of the world who think you're a sick and twisted f*ck just for playing GTA at all.

 

If killing people is okay, then everything is fair game imo, it's foolish to draw an imaginary line in the sand over a work of fiction.

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There's nothing to be gained by including children in the game.

Uhhh, ever heard of a thing called "fun"? I think it's why I play GTA at all bud. And you're right, R* isn't making games for us anymore, it is all for the quick profit and that's what makes tired of them (and most game dev companies these days). And then people like you make excuses for their cowardice and lazyiness. This attuitude of "it's not necessary" is what holds game dev back (look at all the uncessesary sh*t in Skyrim, didn't scare them).

 

Also Manhunt 2 sold so little because it sucked. AO didn't mean as much as all around terrible reviews. GTA franchise has a big enough following they could get away with anything now.

 

 

but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game! I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA

Well aren't you quick to pass judgement (friggin Facist). I'm sure there's a lot of Jack Thompson's of the world who think you're a sick and twisted f*ck just for playing GTA at all.

Whats fun about simulating the killing of children, I need this explained. Also, how young are you trying to go and how old are you yourself?

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Hmmm, I remember those fine days when I was just striving through the countryside on my horse and gunning everything down with that explosive rifle. It was a fair fight. I could understand how some people who refer to themselves as environment-conscious and so forth to be a bit cruel at this particular situation...but I don't see it that way.

 

Gunning down innocent Bambis with explosive bullets is the right of every free man. It's diffrent when a woman does it, of course. That's just sick.

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There's nothing to be gained by including children in the game.

Uhhh, ever heard of a thing called "fun"? I think it's why I play GTA at all bud. And you're right, R* isn't making games for us anymore, it is all for the quick profit and that's what makes tired of them (and most game dev companies these days). And then people like you make excuses for their cowardice and lazyiness. This attuitude of "it's not necessary" is what holds game dev back (look at all the uncessesary sh*t in Skyrim, didn't scare them).

 

Also Manhunt 2 sold so little because it sucked. AO didn't mean as much as all around terrible reviews. GTA franchise has a big enough following they could get away with anything now.

 

 

but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game! I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA

Well aren't you quick to pass judgement (friggin Facist). I'm sure there's a lot of Jack Thompson's of the world who think you're a sick and twisted f*ck just for playing GTA at all.

 

If killing people is okay, then everything is fair game imo, it's foolish to draw an imaginary line in the sand over a work of fiction.

Kids diff don't need to be in the game.But animals should be in the game brings more life to the scenario birds flying,dogs barking, and etc thats all they need for GTA V to be pushed to the next step.

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There's nothing to be gained by including children in the game.

Uhhh, ever heard of a thing called "fun"? I think it's why I play GTA at all bud. And you're right, R* isn't making games for us anymore, it is all for the quick profit and that's what makes tired of them (and most game dev companies these days). And then people like you make excuses for their cowardice and lazyiness. This attuitude of "it's not necessary" is what holds game dev back (look at all the uncessesary sh*t in Skyrim, didn't scare them).

 

Also Manhunt 2 sold so little because it sucked. AO didn't mean as much as all around terrible reviews. GTA franchise has a big enough following they could get away with anything now.

 

 

but if you've actually been playing GTA and said to yourself "ugh, they need to include children in the game! I need to be able to kill kids!!!", then you're probably a little messed up in the head and probably shouldn't be playing GTA

Well aren't you quick to pass judgement (friggin Facist). I'm sure there's a lot of Jack Thompson's of the world who think you're a sick and twisted f*ck just for playing GTA at all.

 

If killing people is okay, then everything is fair game imo, it's foolish to draw an imaginary line in the sand over a work of fiction.

Yes, R* is only going for the quick profit. That's why we see a new GTA game every 18 months just like Call of Du--wait a minute...it's been four years since the release of GTA IV? And more than two years since the release of the second DLC for GTA IV? Isn't that basically the total opposite of "just going for the quick profit"? They could easily force feed the public GTA after GTA if they wanted to. But they're not...why? Because they're trying to make a good game.

 

You say I'm "making excuses for their cowardice and laziness"...how so? Because I like the directions that they've gone to in the past? I believe they're omitting certain things (like children) not because they're cowards, but because they actually think the game is better without them.

 

Also, you referred to Skyrim, but I have never played it or even seen anything besides the commercials. What exactly did they put into the game that you're referring to?

 

You said the "GTA franchise has a big enough following that they could get away with anything now"...maybe they don't want to? Maybe they don't think it's the right direction for the franchise.

 

If I'm a facist for saying "if you've said to yourself 'I need to be able to kill kids' you're probably a little messed up and shouldn't be playing GTA in the first place" then so be it. That's my opinion. Enjoy your time rebelling against "the man", bro.

 

"If killing people is okay, then everything is fair game". Really? So since we're able to have sex with hookers in the game, we should be able to rape random women walking down the street too? Hell if we're going to have children in the game, we should probably be able to rape them too since it's all the same...right? They're just pixels, after all. Still seems pretty f*cked up if you ask me.

 

In my opinion killing people doesn't make everything fair game.

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I think all the people saying they don't want children in the game because it make them feel uncomfortable killing them, but at the same time saying mindless killing of adults is fine, have become desensitized to the actual mass murder of men and women in GTA games

 

it is a video game and not real life, therefore there is no difference in what type of pixels you are blowing up or gunning down, only in your own head

 

and if you have no problem with killing adult pixels, but do have a problem with killing children pixels, it is worrying what you are like in real life

 

people keep on making the association of killing children pixels in a game with killing children in real life, but WHY?

 

does killing adult pixels make you want to kill people in real life, or do you know that it is just a video game?

 

if i go on a mad rampage and drive over loads of pedestrians, it does not make me want to go get in a car in real life and do the same, its escapism

 

something that would be funny in a GTA game would be steal an ice cream truck, go to a school and when they all come running out, run them all over

 

it would be funny cos its so over the top, it does not mean i want to go and do that in real life, just as i don't want to get a gun and shoot a cop or a random pedestrian or start firebombing the street or fire a bazooka at a car etc

 

 

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I think all the people saying they don't want children in the game because it make them feel uncomfortable killing them, but at the same time saying mindless killing of adults is fine, have become desensitized to the actual mass murder of men and women in GTA games

 

it is a video game and not real life, therefore there is no difference in what type of pixels you are blowing up or gunning down, only in your own head

 

and if you have no problem with killing adult pixels, but do have a problem with killing children pixels, it is worrying what you are like in real life

 

people keep on making the association of killing children pixels in a game with killing children in real life, but WHY?

 

does killing adult pixels make you want to kill people in real life, or do you know that it is just a video game?

 

if i go on a mad rampage and drive over loads of pedestrians, it does not make me want to go get in a car in real life and do the same, its escapism

 

something that would be funny in a GTA game would be steal an ice cream truck, go to a school and when they all come running out, run them all over

 

it would be funny cos its so over the top, it does not mean i want to go and do that in real life, just as i don't want to get a gun and shoot a cop or a random pedestrian or start firebombing the street or fire a bazooka at a car etc

Should we be able to rape people as well? I mean they're just pixels after all, how old are you by the way? I'm trying to test my theory out

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I think all the people saying they don't want children in the game because it make them feel uncomfortable killing them, but at the same time saying mindless killing of adults is fine, have become desensitized to the actual mass murder of men and women in GTA games

 

it is a video game and not real life, therefore there is no difference in what type of pixels you are blowing up or gunning down, only in your own head

 

and if you have no problem with killing adult pixels, but do have a problem with killing children pixels, it is worrying what you are like in real life

 

people keep on making the association of killing children pixels in a game with killing children in real life, but WHY?

 

does killing adult pixels make you want to kill people in real life, or do you know that it is just a video game?

 

if i go on a mad rampage and drive over loads of pedestrians, it does not make me want to go get in a car in real life and do the same, its escapism

 

something that would be funny in a GTA game would be steal an ice cream truck, go to a school and when they all come running out, run them all over

 

it would be funny cos its so over the top, it does not mean i want to go and do that in real life, just as i don't want to get a gun and shoot a cop or a random pedestrian or start firebombing the street or fire a bazooka at a car etc

I get what you're trying to say...but it just doesn't make any sense in my opinion. Children are different.

 

What I don't get is why some people are upset by the inability to kill children (even going so far as to say it's cowardice by R*) in the game and think it's going to somehow detract from the game if it isn't included.

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