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ToniForelli

Francis or Derrick

You killed  

160 members have voted

  1. 1. You killed

    • Francis McReary
      69
    • Derrick McReary
      53


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Lock n' Stock

Went with Francis first. Later went after Derrick. The guy is a drug-addled wreck who will end up dying anyway. Still, Francis is no better on the morality scale. Packie, Gerald, and Derrick are crooks but at least they're honest about that, Francis just hides behind a badge.

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Night walker

I  spare Francis simply because of his Ma.Francis seems the only son she can be proud of (even she doesn't know he is corrupted cop).There's a mission where Francis  is talking to his mom, they seemto be on good terms.

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Lance Mayhem
3 hours ago, Night walker said:

I  spare Francis simply because of his Ma. Francis seems the only son she can be proud of (even she doesn't know he is corrupted cop).There's a mission where Francis  is talking to his mom, they seem to be on good terms.

 

Good point. I hadn't noticed that. 

 

Now I feel guilty for what I put poor Mrs. McReary through. 

 

 

Thanks a lot.

 

😕

 

 

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Outlaw Biker Viking
14 hours ago, Night walker said:

I  spare Francis simply because of his Ma.Francis seems the only son she can be proud of (even she doesn't know he is corrupted cop).There's a mission where Francis  is talking to his mom, they seemto be on good terms.

I agree. Also, if you kill Francis, his Ma will be even more sad than when you kill Derrick. She'll even say "Francis was a good boy!" In all honesty, he really wasn't. In fact, I'd still say that he's worse than Gerald and Patrick, though Derrick is (in my opinion) the worst.

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Night walker
12 hours ago, Lance Mayhem said:

 

Good point. I hadn't noticed that. 

 

Now I feel guilty for what I put poor Mrs. McReary through. 

 

 

Thanks a lot.

 

😕

 

 

Just imagine if you kill francis & doing revenge ending she lost so much.Kate is dead & Gerry is on prison.Derrick maybe died because of drug overdose & Packie left her to LS.

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Max.pain

i know he was getting paid and all but was there another reason that made niko not shoot francis in the head as soon as he started getting blackmailed?

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Americana

Same reason why Michael didn't murder Trevor as soon as he has seen him in Los Santos.

 


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Max.pain

niko is different, he’s not like the others

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billiejoearmstrong8

Because Francis was paying him $$$ and Niko trusted him. Which he turned out to be right to do, if spared he keeps his word and pays him, delivers on the call to get the police off him, and never turns him in or asks him to work for him again as agreed. Also would probably want to avoid killing the deputy chief of police if at all possible (since that could potentially cause a lot of problems for him), until he was forced into a position where that was one of only two options. 

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Tekno1

I killed Francis, because Derrick canonically dies anyways. I think it would be a much more poetic ending for the whole family to disband, having Francis get shot by Niko, Kate shot by Pegorino, Gerry go to jail, Derrick die of drugs and for Patrick to move to Los Santos, and their mother die of old age. Also, i dont think Derrick, Packie, Gerry nor Kate would want Francis to die, like Francis wanted Derrick to, i mean, Francis is still their brother after all. 

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billiejoearmstrong8
55 minutes ago, Tekno1 said:

I killed Francis, because Derrick canonically dies anyways. I think it would be a much more poetic ending for the whole family to disband, having Francis get shot by Niko, Kate shot by Pegorino, Gerry go to jail, Derrick die of drugs and for Patrick to move to Los Santos, and their mother die of old age. Also, i dont think Derrick, Packie, Gerry nor Kate would want Francis to die, like Francis wanted Derrick to, i mean, Francis is still their brother after all. 

Packie can get killed too if Trevor takes him to the Altruist camp. So just Gerry left rotting in prison. Tragic!

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Officer Ronson

One thing I can't wrap my head around is the fact that if Francis gets killed, he doesn't get a police funeral? Isn't he the Deputy Comissioner of one of the biggest police forces in the country? How come is it that his funeral is attended by max 4 street cops and even then the shootout with the Albanians ensues without any problem or initial police presence?

 

Also I killed Derrick. 

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Nappy

in my last playthrough i chose to kill francis again. all this time niko was getting paid but when he threatens him again even tho he knows niko’ll aim a rifle at him...he had it coming..fake good guy...

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Kubigz

Francis was always such a dick to Niko, so I've never let Derrick die.

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Jethrome

I killed derrick because i felt if when francis was still a chief of LCPD he would close his eye and not get Niko jailtime after a few shenanigans. And also he said once in a cutscene that he has stuff on Niko so i did not want to risk it

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Nappy

i like how francis always played the good guy and lied to himself about the nasty stuff he did. It reminded me of lamar’s “this sh*t’s legit business” to stealing people’s cars. Also “there is nothing wrong with admitting you’ve done something good” was good too. He probably really believes that he’s a good guy.

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Night walker

"You know there's no good, and no evil.. just shades of f*cking grey." Francis Mcreary
absolutely love this quote

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Tao Cheng

Killing Francis if you're a moral freak. 

 

Killing Derrick seems to be the less of the evil since Francis knows how to keep the streets clean despite that he's not a good person.

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billiejoearmstrong8
25 minutes ago, Tao Cheng said:

Killing Francis if you're a moral freak. 

 

Killing Derrick seems to be the less of the evil since Francis knows how to keep the streets clean despite that he's not a good person.

Niko isn't really in much of a position to make moral judgements about others though. From his POV Derrick hasn't done him any wrong while Francis has forced him to work for him under threat of being arrested/locked up and as far as he knows he might not keep his word and still do that even if he does what he says. Depends if you care to decide from Niko's perspective or not but it can be seen as more complicated than just which guy is the worse person.

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Tao Cheng
12 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Niko isn't really in much of a position to make moral judgements about others though. From his POV Derrick hasn't done him any wrong while Francis has forced him to work for him under threat of being arrested/locked up and as far as he knows he might not keep his word and still do that even if he does what he says. Depends if you care to decide from Niko's perspective or not but it can be seen as more complicated than just which guy is the worse person.

Derrick is a good person to Niko, it is just unfortunate he is not mentally well during the course of GTAIV. Niko can blackmail Francis since he has a lot to hide. It is also noticeable when he haggles for a price when he wanted someone silenced. Eventually he will exposed for his corruption but for the mean time his crook-like nature can take out the worst street level thugs in Liberty City. If he wasn't a cop, then we would easily spare Derrick.

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jaylen pizarro

francis

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Limefong

Sometimes Derrick and sometimes Francis.

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KGBeast

I usually kill Derrick. Niko can't trust Derrick, Derrick sold out his best friends and then had them killed. Derrick is a useless junkie. He talked about the supernotes and almost got Niko killed already. He's a liability. There is nothing good or likable about Derrick. 

 

Of course there's nothing good or likable about Francis either but 1. he has mountains of evidence on Niko that could be uncovered if Francis is killed and 2. Niko can make use of Francis by holding his dirty laundry over his head, which he does in the form of calling Francis to clear his wanted level. You also only get paid if you kill Derrick and you can make Francis raise your pay for it.

 

Most of the choices in the game have breadcrumbs leading you in the right direction and incentives/rewards once you get there. Pretty obvious everything is in favor of Derrick dying. 

 

Personal preference is another thing though and I don't believe for a second that there's any one who has played this game and not killed Francis and taken great joy in it. 

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Americana

I respect Francis for what he does for the community.

 


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Lancerator

Francis is the most decent kin from the scum family he belongs to. His corruption is for a good will at least. 

 

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billiejoearmstrong8
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8 hours ago, Americana said:

I respect Francis for what he does for the community.

 

 


"One percent better. If a hundred people managed that...it'd be a hundred percent"

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Zello

I always kept Francis alive. It benefits Niko to have the Deputy Commissioner of the LCPD in his pocket.

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Cutter De Blanc

Francis. Dont like how he treats Niko. Hes a sh*tbag crooked cop, and I got Kiki to remove my wanted stars, so f*ck that guy

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VenusianDream

On my first playthrough I killed Francis, I never liked him and it seemed fitting to do at the time. 

 

Now I usually kill Derrick, as he seems like the worser of the two evils. And as Zello pointed out, it's nice to have the LCPD in your pocket from time to time.

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E Revere

I kill Derrick not because of my own opinion on either of them but because it feels better fitting to the storyline.

 

If you kill Francis, nothing happens. Derrick just sorta walks away, comes to the funeral then disappears altogether. Meanwhile if you kill Derrick, you get a cutscene, cool dialogue with Niko bashing Frankie on the phone and getting services from him usable till the end of the game. It almost feels like killing Derrick is the canon option because the developers obviously put more attention into that outcome.

 

And another reason is that Niko is always mentally circled by being forced to make choices that he'll suffer from. Adding another choice to that list seems more fitting for the sad story that's his life.

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