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ToniForelli

Francis or Derrick

You killed  

163 members have voted

  1. 1. You killed

    • Francis McReary
      69
    • Derrick McReary
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CJ killed Ryder

I killed Francis. Niko told Francis "f*ck you" when Francis asked him to kill Derrick, so I think this is what Niko would have done.

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GrandTheftAuto 5SA

Derick, the guy was just going to waste his life away. put him out of his misery

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abcd_

Derrick is a drug addict and a snitch so I killed him. That one mission where you break Derrick's old friend out of jail and kill him because he was badmouthing Derrick for ratting him out made me dislike him. If he could rat his own brother and friend out he'd rat Niko out too. Francis isn't much better but atleast you have something over him if he ever tries to turn on you.

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Leftist_slayer
On 2/3/2012 at 6:57 PM, Korpi said:

I killed Derrick; why? Seems pretty ovbious the script was written in his favour. He literally sold his partners out and nobody points that out. why? He's not a cop. Get this, at least one of Francis missions lets you spare a life. Derrick's ones, none. Must people compare him to Tempenny, but i don't think Frankie ordered Niko's Mother's assasination or Roman's going to jail. This cop didn't f*ck Niko as much as Tempenny did with CJ, not even a 10%, unlike some russian f*ckers i know.

 

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Leftist_slayer
On 4/25/2012 at 4:03 AM, abcd_ said:

Derrick is a drug addict and a snitch so I killed him. That one mission where you break Derrick's old friend out of jail and kill him because he was badmouthing Derrick for ratting him out made me dislike him. If he could rat his own brother and friend out he'd rat Niko out too. Francis isn't much better but atleast you have something over him if he ever tries to turn on you.

Plus; Francis doesn't treat you like garbage, and never double crosses him when he clearly has the oportunity to do so. Most people here bitching about Francis is because they hate cops.

Such a shame you can't launch a rocket at both Mcrearys

On 2/14/2012 at 10:17 PM, na89340qv0n34b09q340 said:

I killed Francis. I was going to kill Derrick, but while shooting I thought about Francis, and realized he's an a*shat who uses his status to bully his less fortunate siblings. Plus I really don't like cops, especially power-abusing ones.

Libtard

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Max.pain

niko’s “f*ck YOU” explains that all, seriously, i never tought francis would be that much of a douchebag and want to kill his own brother. there is no way i’ll kill derrick, not even just to see how story changes.

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billiejoearmstrong8
15 minutes ago, Max.pain said:

niko’s “f*ck YOU” explains that all, seriously, i never tought francis would be that much of a douchebag and want to kill his own brother. there is no way i’ll kill derrick, not even just to see how story changes.

Derrick snitched on two of his friends, got them sent to prison for years, and then got Niko to murder them because of drug addled paranoia making him think they might do the exact same thing and snitch on him. He was also threatening to expose Francis and ruin his career. While I agree that from Niko's point of view it makes more sense to kill Francis (Francis is blackmailing him, he's friends with/has worked with the other McRearys) Derrick is also a piece of sh*t.

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Max.pain
17 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

(Francis is blackmailing him, he's friends with/has worked with the other McRearys)

i think niko chose to work otherwise he could put a bullet in francis’ head, i don’t think niko got blackmailed at any part of the game considering he was getting paid well after all the jobs.

17 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Derrick is also a piece of sh*t.

i may have missed some parts, it doesn’t matter anyway i’ll play it again anytime soon :)

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a few wrong words

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billiejoearmstrong8
8 hours ago, Max.pain said:

i think niko chose to work otherwise he could put a bullet in francis’ head, i don’t think niko got blackmailed at any part of the game considering he was getting paid well after all the jobs.

i may have missed some parts, it doesn’t matter anyway i’ll play it again anytime soon :)

Francis was blackmailing Niko to work for him. He was fair about it (paid him and kept his end of the deal not to have him arrested) but he also repeatedly told him that if he didn't do these jobs for him he'd alert the authorities to his crimes and he'd go to prison for a long time. Niko did get something out of it (since Francis luckily turned out not to be a double crosser) but it wasn't a friendly situation. Whereas with Derrick/the McReary gang he was working for them by choice and was friends with them. So his loyalty would lie more with Derrick.

 

This is why he couldn't simply choose not to kill either of them - if he'd just walked away Francis would've followed through with his promise and Niko would be in jail, so if he doesn't want to kill Derrick he has to take Francis out.

 

I think it's the best balanced choice in the game. Francis - blackmailed Niko, wants to kill his own brother, corrupt cop, but also seems to be trustworthy, will pay $$$, and at least is somewhat trying to do good for the city. Derrick - is a waste of life and will probably die from an overdose anyway, wants to destroy his brother's career, snitched on his friends to save himself and had them murdered, but also has done nothing against Niko and doesn't appear to be any threat to him, and is part of a gang/family that Niko works for by choice and is friends with. I think killing Francis makes the most sense for Niko due to the loyalty thing but killing Derrick works too if you decide he's in the frame of mind of being strictly business and killing for the money no questions asked at the time. And I enjoy killing either of them, Francis for thinking he can force Niko to kill his brother, and Derrick for being a hateable sh*tty person (especially after having to kill old Aiden O'Malley for him which makes me despise him). Whenever I play it I make the decision right at the last moment, still not sure which I prefer.

 

 

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shadyslady

Well said Billie Joe, I found myself killing Francis the very first time.

Guess it was my intuition.

However, in following playthroughs I always killed Derrick.

 

The McReary family not close to Francis but Derrick sold out his friends...and poor f*cking Aiden O'Malley, that was some sh*t!

 

I also liked Francis' missions and found him actually entertaining in his hypocrisy filled speeches

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Palacios007
On 10/7/2019 at 5:55 AM, shadyslady said:

I also liked Francis' missions and found him actually entertaining in his hypocrisy filled speeches

I did too. That's why I killed Derrick in my two playthourgs. I don't want a family dealing with a drug addict, a maniac and a paranoid. Francis, at least, had a goal.

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Corndawg93

Francis, every day of the damn week

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Matsukine

Francis, damn crooked cop

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Americana

Derrick. Always. I mean, he's a waste.

 


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billiejoearmstrong8

Another thing is Derrick was literally an IRA terrorist. I know corrupt cops aren't great but that's not exactly an outstanding occupation either.

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Lance Mayhem

I didn't like any of the McReary boys, although Gerald doesn't bother me as much as the others. 

 

Put a bullet in Packie's head early on,  then found out all that accomplished was failing the mission. 

 

Ended up killing Derrick, more as a favour to him than as yet another wipe out for Francis. Certainly not for the reward. I needed Francis off Niko's back, and got rid of another McReary while I was at it.

 

Also, Three Leaf Clover exposed both Derrick and Packie to be inept blabbermouths, but I knew Francis would go to great lengths to keep a secret. Which, of course, is what made him such a contemptible anus. 

 

I think there may have been one play-through in which I snuffed Francis, though, as I seem to recall things taking place at a different cemetery. 

 

 

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GreenPeas

Killing Derrick.

Only because Francis has ability lose cops attention.

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Americana

I would gladly kill Gerald, if I could.

 


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Max.pain

francis was a stupid hypocrite who plays the good guy. but no, “None of us was a saint”.

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NewGuybj

I always spare Derrick. It's more moral choice.

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billiejoearmstrong8
13 hours ago, NewGuybj said:

I always spare Derrick. It's more moral choice.

I think from Niko's point of view it is because he's worked with Derrick on friendly terms, hasn't been wronged by him, and is friends with his side of the family, while although Francis has turned out to do right by Niko he's also forced him to work for him using blackmail. From an outsider's point of view I don't know if it is though. Francis is a corrupt cop who commits murder and wants his brother killed, but Derrick is an IRA member and paranoid drug addict who snitched on two of his friends sending them to prison for a long time to save himself and then had them killed and who's willing to ruin his brother's career. Francis at least thinks he's doing some good for the city and has something to live for, Derrick is a waste of life. So I'm fine with picking either of them. Only reason I feel remotely bad offing Derrick is for the sake of Packie and Kate. 

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NewGuybj
On 12/3/2019 at 8:01 AM, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I think from Niko's point of view it is because he's worked with Derrick on friendly terms, hasn't been wronged by him, and is friends with his side of the family, while although Francis has turned out to do right by Niko he's also forced him to work for him using blackmail. From an outsider's point of view I don't know if it is though. Francis is a corrupt cop who commits murder and wants his brother killed, but Derrick is an IRA member and paranoid drug addict who snitched on two of his friends sending them to prison for a long time to save himself and then had them killed and who's willing to ruin his brother's career. Francis at least thinks he's doing some good for the city and has something to live for, Derrick is a waste of life. So I'm fine with picking either of them. Only reason I feel remotely bad offing Derrick is for the sake of Packie and Kate. 

YEAH, can't agree more.

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ThatBenGuy

Kill Derrick is my option of choice. Francis McReary is FAR from a good person, but Derrick was a member of the IRA, which is a communist and terrorist organization. So yeah..he really isn't any better than Francis at all for that reason alone. Also, people think those who kill Derrick instead are greedy, but I actually beg to differ. What they often forget is that Francis not only gives Niko a lot of money but also the ability to clear up to three wanted level stars. Derrick, on the other hand, gives Niko nothing and apart from the Undertaker mission, has nothing to do with him again.

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Max.pain

maybe derrick is worse if we think a bit deeper but francis always looked the douche bag to me

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billiejoearmstrong8

Even without thinking more deeply the mission Tunnel of Death where you have to kill an old man who's been in prison for years because his "friend" Derrick snitched on him and now wants him dead because in his drug addled paranoia he thinks he might do the same thing made me despise him, I hated doing it. Francis isn't a good person and is more of an enemy to Niko but I definitely find him more likeable than Derrick.

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Lance Mayhem
11 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Even without thinking more deeply the mission Tunnel of Death where you have to kill an old man who's been in prison for years because his "friend" Derrick snitched on him and now wants him dead because in his drug addled paranoia he thinks he might do the same thing...

 

Not unlike Brucie's steroid-induced paranoia, perhaps? Niko killed a few folks for him, and confronted Brucie about it (after B more or less confessed to it, if I recall), yet it never occurred to Niko to wipe him out. 

 

Maybe because nobody was willing to pay him to do it. 

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billiejoearmstrong8
2 hours ago, Lance Mayhem said:

 

Not unlike Brucie's steroid-induced paranoia, perhaps? Niko killed a few folks for him, and confronted Brucie about it (after B more or less confessed to it, if I recall), yet it never occurred to Niko to wipe him out. 

 

Maybe because nobody was willing to pay him to do it. 

Yeeaah Brucie is probably worse than people give him credit for, but with Derrick it's particularly bad because he snitched on his friends and comrades to avoid prison and then like a total hypocrite cruelly had them killed because he thought they might do the same thing he did. He's also just a waste of life in general.

 

I think Niko really didn't have a choice but to kill one of the brothers in the McReary situation. If he didn't either do what Francis said or take Francis out Francis would've had him sent to prison, so he couldn't just walk away. He doesn't kill either of them for vengeance, it's just to protect himself.

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Lance Mayhem
40 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

If he didn't either do what Francis said or take Francis out Francis would've had him sent to prison, so he couldn't just walk away. He doesn't kill either of them for vengeance, it's just to protect himself.

 

Exactly. 

 

Also, perhaps Niko figured if Derrick was killed, the law might just figure it was one of his (Derrick's) old acquaintances, and wouldn't much care one way or the other, while killing a cop could bring considerable heat, if not directly on Niko, then probably at least in the form of a higher, more aggressive (defensive?) police presence on the streets. 

 

Yet another reason why it would have made more sense to erase Derrick, as I see it. 

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billiejoearmstrong8
23 minutes ago, Lance Mayhem said:

 

Exactly. 

 

Also, perhaps Niko figured if Derrick was killed, the law might just figure it was one of his (Derrick's) old acquaintances, and wouldn't much care one way or the other, while killing a cop could bring considerable heat, if not directly on Niko, then probably at least in the form of a higher, more aggressive (defensive?) police presence on the streets. 

 

Yet another reason why it would have made more sense to erase Derrick, as I see it. 

I agree. But on the other hand he could also be thinking that Francis might not keep his word about not making him do more stuff for him and not having him arrested, and if he kills Francis he won't have to worry about that any more. So from a safety point of view it could go either way. 

 

I think for Niko it probably comes down to a balance of which he thinks is the safer option, the fact that Francis will pay him and Derrick won't (since he does cling to the idea that he does all these things strictly because he needs money), and having more loyalty to Derrick (due to having friendship with that side of the family) and less to Francis (due to being blackmailed by him). As the player we can also make more of a judgement about which is the worse/better human being but I think Niko probably wouldn't consider that as much since he's not exactly a saint himself. 

 

Either way it's complicated though! I still think loyalty to the crime side of the McRearys would probably tip him slightly more towards killing Francis, but both options make a lot of sense. 

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Copcaller

Killed Francis corrupt asshole who blackmails you into doing his dirty work plus the drive for his funeral mission is shorter

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