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First off, I did not want to post this in the wishlist thread because I believe it deserves it's own. I searched but couldn't find anything similar to it. So here we go. If you have played Vice City Stories, then you know all about its empire building system. It would be PERFECT for V! The theme is about money after all.

 

Grand Theft Auto V is going to be all about the pursuit of the almighty dollar. So what better way to go after it then to have empire building? Just think, it was the 80's in Vice City. Imagine how you could run an empire in the present day. Your smart phone would be your best friend! You could use it for business calls, arrange meetings, receive texts from henchmen notifying you of production, ect. Plus if they bring back the internet from IV (which I'm confident they will) then there's another realm of possibilities right there for empire building. What if Rockstar created a money laundering system as well? With the businesses you buy, you can funnel all your illegal money through it, like say a car wash, to make it look like you earned it legally. Once the money is laundered you can spend it how you wish. Cars, yachts, guns, security, condos, henchmen, clubbing, booze, furniture, ect. Similar to the way Scarface: The World Is Yours handled this, but expand upon it. Would be a cool feature. A way of "beating the system" and living a comfortable lifestyle by committing criminal activities. Eventually though, the F.B.I will start taxing your businesses, which means they could also shut it down and take you to jail. So you might have to bribe them every now and then. Also, I think it would be cool if there was a banking system. After you launder the money you earned, then it will be directly deposited into a bank account, and all you have to do is swing by an ATM whenever you want and collect your earnings. Minus security fees, employee fees, maintenance fees, ect. In my opinion, this will make you feel like an important figure in the game world. Someone successful. Someone with ambition! I mean come on, don't you want to play as another protagonist who is a go-getter like this guy:

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So what do you guys think? Should they bring empire building back? They've brought features like this back before you know. Just like how they brought the respect system from GTA 2 and implemented it into GTA San Andreas. So it's possible. What would you guys like to see added to empire building? I will add all of your ideas to this post so no one will overlook them! Who knows, maybe even Rockstar will see this thread and read all of your ideas and add them into GTA V?!

 

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tenpennyisplainevil - being able to choose what the income your employees will get.

EscoLehGo - having security means defending your businesses will be optional.

LotusRIP - The F.B.I hassling you.

Miamivicecity - "Pursuit of the Almighty Dollar" multipalyer mode.

Buffalo Soldier - spend money on alot more spoils.

boogachamp - club & taxi service ownership.

SGT. Johnson - side missions for each type of business.

VoiceoftheVoiceless - being able to fly to other cities and managing business there.

bluetops - own US Bank Tower or Airport.

Noriega1976 - ability to buy alot of stuff with laundered money.

gta_fun - ability to choose what type of security personnel you would have

SIKKS66 - have a whole network of people who work for you

E28 - trade drugs & hire people to push your wares around the city, and even buy meth labs and so on to maximise your profit

TrialzGTAS - ability to decide if one of your henchman is a rat

Honest Bill - option to meet random criminals and add them to your crew

visionist - a story that highlights corruption

Toniblue - the vita could be used here to check your buisness

jackass2009 - Discounts on other businesses if you own one in the industry

HydraulicWaRiOr - steak sarcasm.gif

Mr.c TO the J - click.

SHARKEM - recruiting gang members and building them up by sending them on jobs in other areas

Ispintechno - be able to purchase skyscrapers and other large buildings

Civkiller - continuous multiplayer empire building that never ends

 

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Empire building in Vice City Stories

 

 

A little lesson on laundering money from Saul Goodman!

 

 

Tony Montana building his own criminal empire.

 

 

An example of Tommy Vercetti's admirable ambition.

 

 

Blinded by the light!

 

 

An empire that falls.

 

 

Walter White defending his territory.

 

 

A fine example of business management.

 

 

You're either a somebody or a nobody.

 

 

This is why you should pay protection.

 

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I think it'll be a GREAT idea. Maybe it'll even be counted as a Safehouse like in VCS too!

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I hope so. And they should add you being able to choose what the income of your employees will be. The higher, the better they work, but the less money you get. The lower, the worse they work or they resign or you get angry customers (you dont want THOSE customers to be angry xD) so they try to kill you or destroy your business, etc.

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I hope this is implemented in V, I'm really counting on rockstar to give us some major incentives for making money so we'll actually wanna go out there and get it. The random attacks on your businesses seem kind of annoying though, they should work it out where if you build up enough security at a particular business then your goons can handle it and your participation becomes optional

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I hope so. And they should add you being able to choose what the income of your employees will be. The higher, the better they work, but the less money you get. The lower, the worse they work or they resign or you get angry customers (you dont want THOSE customers to be angry xD) so they try to kill you or destroy your business, etc.

Exactly! I think the income your employees get should depend on the job. If you own a warehouse that is a front for shipping drugs, then obviously they will have to be paid a bit more because of the risks. Perhaps you can start your own restraunt chain that is actually a front for a drug ring (Breaking Bad reference)

 

Also, I was thinking with the internet it would be cool to have a site like craigslist where you can go and hire people. Like security guards. You see their number and then you call them and hire them. Simple process!

 

@EscoLehGo: I agree. I was pretty annoying being attacked all the time in VCS. I was thinking that maybe once you are powerful enough that petty gangs won't even dare to f*ck with your businesses anymore.

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The internet and phone won't make a difference, it will be still be very much the same if they include this, otherwise it'd get way too complex (in a nerdy way). Things will be simple and sweet, pick a building and build it. Earn money.

 

There are already ATM's in GTA4, and they were useless, as is that idea really.

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The internet and phone won't make a difference, it will be still be very much the same if they include this, otherwise it'd get way too complex (in a nerdy way). Things will be simple and sweet, pick a building and build it. Earn money.

 

There are already ATM's in GTA4, and they were useless, as is that idea really.

True, but they can do so much more with the phone and internet. Especially if you are to run businesses. And about the ATM's in GTA IV. I agree they were useless, which is why they could be more useful if they was to bring it back in V. The theme is money afterall.

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I hope so. And they should add you being able to choose what the income of your employees will be. The higher, the better they work, but the less money you get. The lower, the worse they work or they resign or you get angry customers (you dont want THOSE customers to be angry xD) so they try to kill you or destroy your business, etc.

Exactly! I think the income your employees get should depend on the job. If you own a warehouse that is a front for shipping drugs, then obviously they will have to be paid a bit more because of the risks. Perhaps you can start your own restraunt chain that is actually a front for a drug ring (Breaking Bad reference)

 

Also, I was thinking with the internet it would be cool to have a site like craigslist where you can go and hire people. Like security guards. You see their number and then you call them and hire them. Simple process!

 

@EscoLehGo: I agree. I was pretty annoying being attacked all the time in VCS. I was thinking that maybe once you are powerful enough that petty gangs won't even dare to f*ck with your businesses anymore.

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with raising their payroll i meant that you raise it overall, not per person.

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I hope so. And they should add you being able to choose what the income of your employees will be. The higher, the better they work, but the less money you get. The lower, the worse they work or they resign or you get angry customers (you dont want THOSE customers to be angry xD) so they try to kill you or destroy your business, etc.

Exactly! I think the income your employees get should depend on the job. If you own a warehouse that is a front for shipping drugs, then obviously they will have to be paid a bit more because of the risks. Perhaps you can start your own restraunt chain that is actually a front for a drug ring (Breaking Bad reference)

 

Also, I was thinking with the internet it would be cool to have a site like craigslist where you can go and hire people. Like security guards. You see their number and then you call them and hire them. Simple process!

 

@EscoLehGo: I agree. I was pretty annoying being attacked all the time in VCS. I was thinking that maybe once you are powerful enough that petty gangs won't even dare to f*ck with your businesses anymore.

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with raising their payroll i meant that you raise it overall, not per person.

Haha, that'd be a pretty clever way of getting some muscle for your businesses. Maybe they could come up with a way for your guys to level up too, but not in a useless way like tlad. For more cash you get good goons from the start, but for less cash you get sh*tty goons but in larger numbers

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What if Rockstar creates a money laundering system? With the businesses you buy, you can funnel all your illegal money through it, like say a car wash, to make it look you earned it legally. Would be a cool feature. A way of "beating the system" and living a comfortable lifestyle by committing criminal activities.

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I loved the buying properties in Vice City and San Andreas.

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What if Rockstar creates a money laundering system? With the businesses you buy, you can funnel all your illegal money through it, like say a car wash, to make it look you earned it legally. Would be a cool feature. A way of "beating the system" and living a comfortable lifestyle by committing criminal activities.

Excellent idea! Keeping it realistic. Maybe have side mission with getting rid of feds or detectives that are getting on to you!

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Here's an example of Tony Montana building his criminal empire. Wouldn't it be so fun to build our own? smile.gif

 

@tenpennyisplainevil: Thanks! And yes, that would be pretty fun! Eventually the feds will become suspicious of your wealth. So you may have to bribe them. It may also be smart to hire a lawyer as well!

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The ability to build your own criminal empire should, obviously, be available in the game. The Grand Theft Auto series is basically about criminal activities and the psychopaths that commit them. And with V being centered around money, this would be a perfect chance to implement this feature.

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The internet and phone won't make a difference, it will be still be very much the same if they include this, otherwise it'd get way too complex (in a nerdy way). Things will be simple and sweet, pick a building and build it. Earn money.

 

There are already ATM's in GTA4, and they were useless, as is that idea really.

True, but they can do so much more with the phone and internet. Especially if you are to run businesses. And about the ATM's in GTA IV. I agree they were useless, which is why they could be more useful if they was to bring it back in V. The theme is money afterall.

That's true, but if anything, I'd rather see them bring a feature where we can get a loan from the bank. If we don't go back to the bank and pay the money back on X day, you get these FBI people in black shiny cars following you around and eventually hunting you down and killing you.

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@Inusan: Totally agree! It's about time we get to play as another protagonist with the same level of ambition as Tommy Vercetti. That guy knew what he wanted... and by God he got it!

 

@LotusRIP: I like that idea! Reminds me of when you go in debt to the casinos in San Andreas. I think it would be a little too extreme if the FBI try to kill you though. Perhaps they will just tax your businesses instead?

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Just imagine if all the GTA fans united to use everyones individual expertise in creating a GTA game - it would be epic.

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I know right! I'd like to think Rockstar at least looks at some of the ideas on this site and takes them into consideration.

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Just imagine if all the GTA fans united to use everyones individual expertise in creating a GTA game - it would be epic.

You ain't lying, I've been told they check these forums out as well as others to get a sense of what the fans want so hopefully that's true and the developers have been watching/listening

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Here's a little lesson on laundering money from Saul Goodman!

 

 

 

Would you guys like to see some sort of money laundering system like this added with the empire building aspect? Maybe this is the "bold new direction" Rockstar could be talking about. It would make money all that more important.

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An idea just popped into my head concerning MP. Of course leave all these ideas for SP too, but wouldn't it be cool if there was a co-op mode where with a friend or more where you could build your own empire? Maybe call it "Pursuit Of The Mighty Dollar" mode?

 

It probably wouldn't be as intricate as the SP version, but the principle would be the same. You make your own gang (With other friends too) and you can buy into businesses with them. Maybe there could be a component where you compete with rival gangs (other players. No A.I) to see who can accumulate the most wealth and/or try to steal income from them via all sorts of means.

 

As I said I just thought of the idea, so if anyone wants to expand they're more than welcome too.

 

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I like that idea alot! It would offer a unique online experience. That also gives me another idea. You know how in RDR's free roam you can take over territories? Well, wouldn't it be cool if in GTA V's free roam you could take over businesses? I don't remember the benefits of earning territory in RDR, but if they have a ranking system similar to it, perhaps the businesses could earn you XP daily? Of course other people will try to steal your businesses as well. There should also be the option to go into a partnership with a certain amount of people and then you have to split the XP up daily.

 

So what do you guys think? Sound like a good idea?

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I hope so. And they should add you being able to choose what the income of your employees will be. The higher, the better they work, but the less money you get. The lower, the worse they work or they resign or you get angry customers (you dont want THOSE customers to be angry xD) so they try to kill you or destroy your business, etc.

LOL have u ever walked out of a supermarket angry at the service and thought 'grrrr im gonna destroy this place tonight!' ??? just curious ahah

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Here's another fine lesson about money laundering from Saul Goodman!

 

 

 

lol, I hope we have a smart mouth lawyer like him in GTA V! lol.gif

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Great thread and I agree the ideas pointed out here would make the game much more interesting.

 

Lol and great BB/Saul references!

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Notice how much ambition Tommy has! We need this character trait again in Grand Theft Auto V.

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Love it.

They should also make money a big thing by allowing us to spend alot more on better things, like Yachts and stuff like that or parts for our cars, or drugs/drink even.

But it should be 'risky' to carry around a large sum of money, you know how other protagonists would walk about with a Million Dollars stashed in their pocket? Well this time, muggings should be more frequent, and if you get mugged you loose all your money unless it's in the bank.

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Agreed. Money definitely needs more purpose. We risk our lives in the game to obtain it. So it would be niice to spend it on alot more stuff besides food and guns. Would be awesome if there was a website in the game you can go to and order stuff like big screen TV's, new phones, furniture, ect. Like an online catalogue basically.

 

And good idea about the muggings. They can do a system like Scarface: The World Is Yours where unless your money is laundered and put into a bank account you will lose it all when you die, get arrested, or get mugged/robbed. That's when hiring security/henchmen will be the most helpful.

 

I think once you become super rich is when the government should become a problem. They will routinely start taxing all your businesses, which means they will be taking a % out of your earnings. With success comes consequences!

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With a large map,large opportunity,and a large game...

 

... this makes GTA 5 really addicting. I'd spend hours to defend my businesses,even it is across the deserts!

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