Chimpso Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Immaturity has always been a put-off for me in DYOM. I've never had any major altercations with immature people (bar TonyCJ), but there are just not enough adult-like designers on this forum. When I began here, I was 13. I can honestly say that I never suffered from the immaturity problem, I always viewed myself as someone who was very mature for my age at that time (and still do). I believe that there is a direct connection between maturity and your ability to design missions. My first mission series, the SAPD Chronicles, was my best. My FIRST topic on this forum is, to this day, the best one I've made. I'm not trying to brag, I guess I had better English skills than the majority of the people here (no offense), and that may have contributed to it, but EVERYONE on the forum back in mid to late 2010 had good English skills, which is something I miss. I also miss the great designers of that time. LeonCJ was creating his best missions, Mattatta was still here, and there were many other amazing designers who are just not here anymore, It's a real shame that I seem to be the only one who keeps coming back to check things out, only to find that the community is growing too big for my tastes. There are too many inexperienced people and not enough experienced people. I would not have gotten where I am today without the support of the expert designers back then. But nowadays, there are just not enough expert designers, there are too many topics, there are 2 forums. This is not an environment I can thrive in, and I don't hold the DYOM community in as high-esteem as I did in the past. This is by no means the fault of Patrick or Dutchy, who I've always held in great light and who I cannot express enough thanks to for making this awesome mod, which was a big part of my 13-14 year old life. It is something I will never forget, and will never stop checking out, but I just don't feel as if I belong here anymore. While I'm writing this right now, I can't shake the feeling that many people won't understand what I'm saying or where I'm coming from, but I have to say this, I've been wanting to say it for the last half year. The DYOM community has deteriorated. It's heyday is over, the good times have gone away, along with the great designers of it's past. Including, as has been apparent from my absences, myself. So I guess this is my resignation. I actually resigned ages ago, but now it's official. Who knows, maybe I'll be back in a year, maybe I'll be back in a month. But until then, I think it's time to take a loooong break, and remember the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miro Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Could someone tell me what a led-by is. They're simple members who only have more power than a normal member over a part of the main forums. Every single power they have is being decided by admins if needed or not, that's why they usually tick yes or not for a power. Lately, these moderators have received they're own pips that say . Well, it's pretty obvious. But there's something interesting about it. That pip is only visible in the posts the led-by makes IN the forum that he's moderating. I'm not going to make a list of every led-by since the list is pretty long, but otherwise I'll link you to The Moderating Team --> Forum Moderators (the third paragraph). Anyway, here's something I always wanted to tell to you DYOM guys. If you really want to improve in the eyes of the others, one small first step would be to remove all those sh*tty things in your respect list. I think that about 85% of the DYOM people have those "Disrespect" lists. If GTAForums would have been made for fights and stuff, they'd have implemented such a section in your profiles. And all that "Major Respect", "Neutral List", etc is complete bullsh*t. This is the way people start hating each other and start spamming, which makes DYOM look bad. Now, I'm not gonna give an examples, since that will most probably start some kind of arguing in here. But I'm just saying, why is such a thing needed? This is all I wanted to say, have fun! Dead (Retired) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Anyway, here's something I always wanted to tell to you DYOM guys. If you really want to improve in the eyes of the others, one small first step would be to remove all those sh*tty things in your respect list. I think that about 85% of the DYOM people have those "Disrespect" lists. If GTAForums would have been made for fights and stuff, they'd have implemented such a section in your profiles. And all that "Major Respect", "Neutral List", etc is complete bullsh*t. This is the way people start hating each other and start spamming, which makes DYOM look bad. Now, I'm not gonna give an examples, since that will most probably start some kind of arguing in here. But I'm just saying, why is such a thing needed? This is all I wanted to say, have fun! As usual, miromiro did it again! He has said the half matter already. I have changed my mind. Well done, miromiro. I expected a powerful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMarshMallow Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Anyway, here's something I always wanted to tell to you DYOM guys. If you really want to improve in the eyes of the others, one small first step would be to remove all those sh*tty things in your respect list. I think that about 85% of the DYOM people have those "Disrespect" lists. If GTAForums would have been made for fights and stuff, they'd have implemented such a section in your profiles. And all that "Major Respect", "Neutral List", etc is complete bullsh*t. This is the way people start hating each other and start spamming, which makes DYOM look bad. Now, I'm not gonna give an examples, since that will most probably start some kind of arguing in here. But I'm just saying, why is such a thing needed? Thanks. This would be a great post for DYOM community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahonix Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Anyway, here's something I always wanted to tell to you DYOM guys. If you really want to improve in the eyes of the others, one small first step would be to remove all those sh*tty things in your respect list. I think that about 85% of the DYOM people have those "Disrespect" lists. If GTAForums would have been made for fights and stuff, they'd have implemented such a section in your profiles. And all that "Major Respect", "Neutral List", etc is complete bullsh*t. This is the way people start hating each other and start spamming, which makes DYOM look bad. Now, I'm not gonna give an examples, since that will most probably start some kind of arguing in here. But I'm just saying, why is such a thing needed? This is all I wanted to say, have fun! I will take your advice miromiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva. Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Mati, Chimpso and everyone, Please read this. Yeah, I agree with you guys. Mati, you once said that the DYOM community is going down and it is loosing all it's good days. Yeah, I completely agree with you. But now, after reading this topic(Immature People) those who were immature have realised their mistake and they're working really hard to gain maturity. In the deep down, we're(DYOMers) all working hard to retain our lost DYOM spirit. I mean, every one in DYOM is working hard . Some experienced designers have started sending PMs to immature people and corrected them in a friendly manner. Mati, you said you're leaving due to the current conidtion that is prevailing in the DYOM community. I have nothing to say about that. But, try to visit the DYOM section by the end of this year. Maybe, December 21. You'll be suprised to find that the good days have returned back to DYOM. I promise you, we'll get it back for you especially. You will find only matured people here. Eventually, you'll continue your DYOM carrer by seeing that. DYOM will be back . And that day is not too far. The people who were acting immature will be a great designer that day. And at the official DYOM awards, Jimmy will win the Best designers, KaRzY6 will win the Most helpful in the forums award, Doublepulse will win the best video tutorial award. The days are not too far. People who hate this DYOM community right now will change up their mind that day. By seeing the spirit maintained, more new designers will invade our little communiy. The likes in the facebook for DYOM page will increase to 10,000. More female users will hit oursite. Life is only sweet when there is a two or more obstacles. Right now, this immature thing is the biggest obstacle we're all facing. Soon, we'll break out from this obstacle. LeonCJ, Kratos, Chimpso, Mati, Mattattata, Paulix were the legends of the First generation of DYOM. And Jimmy Leppard, Notna , Alifjenius, Secronom President, Doublepulse, SatournFan, Nitesh ak AAA, KaRzY6, Arejai, -S-hark21 and many more are gonna be the legends of the second generation. The good days are almost on the way. I promise you. I believe it's gonna happen. Thanks for reading this. If post hurted anyone personally, I'm sorry. Edited January 22, 2012 by shiva s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (sigh) When is this stupid "immature" discussion going to end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahonix Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 @shiva s Such a great speech. Agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublepulse Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) (sigh) When is this stupid "immature" discussion going to end... It is probably not going to stop until people see some improvements in the community. Now I will first start off by saying, great advice by miromiro. Having multiple lists really wastes time and space. But this is not the only thing that I think that reflects some people as "immature". Mati has also mentioned this before in his post, but it did not make completely clear on how to fix it. The problem is a lot of the posts that go around. The posts we make reflect who we are, and some of them can be improved. I could care less about a few grammatical mistakes, we can fix those any time. I really care more about the worthy of the post. Is the post you make really worth reading? How do you think people are going to respond to you? Have you tried searching for the answer to save others time from reading your same repeated questions? These are the kinds of questions you need to ask yourself when posting something. Be clear that you are not only asking these questions for yourself, but for the sake of others. Without bragging too much, an example with me is that there are plenty of times that I am about to post something, but then all the sudden I cancel the post because I felt they were not going to be helpful. There are a lot of newcomers who "follow" and agree with a lot of the experienced people here. That is not a bad thing at all. "@DP Great post I agree with you!"- It is great that you agree/disagree with my posts "I will play and give feedback later."- Thanks for letting me know you are going to give feedback later. "GREAT MISSIONS 10/10" Ok, none of these quotes are bad things to say, nor I am upset with them. Sometimes they are helpful for bumping old topics, sometimes they are not needed. If this is going to be the only thing you post, use it in moderation. I admit, I do this sometimes myself. However if you want to reflect yourself better, you can add more to your posts, like explaining why you like the missions, what you agree on and why.. Also keep in mind, it is not always the short posts that need improving, but also some of the Longer posts. Hell I might need to improve on this one myself. One of my goals is trying to make a post more meaningful without so many words. Based on what PatrickW said in his post, it kind of follows the saying "what monkey see's is what monkey does." That is why I really do not fully agree with SF's or Chimpso's reasons for leaving. Let's just say if all the senior designers decide to "pack our bags" and ditch the newcomers because some might be immature, then things will not get better at all. Now I like the idea that some people are pming the ones who can improve, because I doubt anyone likes to be humiliated in public. It is ALOT better to do that than to "not mention any names". Here is why: Most people might believe that all the things the newcomers can do to improve are "common sense". Unfortunately not all of it is they might be unaware that they are a bit disruptive. Some of the people who are unaware will just continue what they think is right and then soon enough it becomes a habit and a part of who they are..so everything they do wrong is not even thought about anymore. That is why I think we continue to see the same response "sorry if I am the immature one." Once we become aware then we will ask the questions about what we are posting. So that is all I have to say. I really apologize for the long post as, I am trying to make my posts a lot shorter. Don't be surprised if I edit large chunks out later. Also maybe that can be practice tool for everyone.. Editing older posts to improve your posting habits . Hoped some of this helped. Also do not be afraid to give me advice how I can make these post shorter in the future. Thanks Edited January 22, 2012 by Doublepulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guib Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Now I like the idea that some people are pming the ones who can improve, because I doubt anyone likes to be humiliated in public. It is ALOT better to do that than to "not mention any names". Exactly, I hate it when people give these awkward responses that makes you seems like a fool, and I am ashamed to say that I am one of those people who did that. So a from now on, I say we all PM each other if we do something wrong, no need to go offtopic only because you want to correct someone, if you PM them, then they know what they did wrong and the chance that they are going to change their immature behavior is much bigger, I know that from experience, because I always gets angry if someone humiliate me in public, which makes me want to create spam towards the other person, only to look them bad... (which also never works because I was ALWAYS the fool) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva. Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) (sigh) When is this stupid "immature" discussion going to end... Man, I talked nothing about immatuirty. Just look at my post, I said that the immature thing is slowly vanishing and the good days are gonna comeback. And as DP said, the discussion is not gonna over because this topic is a place to discuss about that. For eg Take the DYOM trailer section in the Mission forums. People will even discuss about things needed to make a good trailer. And you'll go and sigh there that. When this trailer discussion's gonna over,huh? . We didn't even discuss this in the Designers Lounge. Edited January 23, 2012 by shiva s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 What the hell? I didn't say anything about your speech. I was talking about this subject in general. You guys talked about it in designers lounge and I thought . Then I saw SP's reaction in a topic. And then this topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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