Notna Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hey guys. I know, here is much of topics about this. I've been trying to talk about this for many people, but most of the time I am just getting ignored. So I'll make it official now. Immature people are the reason of the big losts of this community. Quickly thinking of someone, Mati, and recently SatournFan. At least for the time that immature people are gone, as he said in The Designers Lounge. I know who those immature people are, but I don't say their names, people would go officially mad at the them. But I know too, that you guys know who those people are. I have saw much types of immature people here. Argueing, over-using curse words and acting like a though guy etc. You get my point. When I firstly got in to the forums in 2009, I were a bit immature too. I had a really bad grammar. I thought that I would already have fans, and I would be a big deal, everyone would respect me... But it is not like that. You have to earn the respect of the people who have been here for more time. I learnt that the hard way, when I leaved the community for year and a half because I were angry, when I thought nobody likes me. And that was partially the truth, I were acting like a 'big deal'. But from my early ages, I've learned that when you do something, do it properly. Now, I am here. I have few fans waiting for my missions, and I try to be as mature as possible. I am not really a mature yet, as I am just 12 years old. But by every day, we are getting older. And I really hope for these immature people, that they can learn from the others and get better. Pretty short tirade, but I hope you guys understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alifjenius Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Second thing, no offense, but what is this thread relation with DYOM ? EDIT : Already got it Edited January 18, 2012 by alifjenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mati Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 First of all, great thread Second thing, no offense, but what is this thread relation with DYOM ? Ugh. Urgh. @Notna: I've already posted in the lounge so you guys probably know my opinion about this. Right now, I've lost all the hope. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitesh002 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) To add on to what Notna said, everyone was once a newbie here. Even you and me. I remember when I joined the forum and as guest before I registered, I just used to view the DYOM section to see how things work. And yeah, I joined this forum only because of DYOM. I never even used to post anything for the first few days. I only used to look at topics, download missions and play. Not saying that you should do the same as me, but at least read the forums rules and see how things work in this section before posting in each and every topic you come across. Maybe it seems that this place is full of spam because many new members joined the forums at almost the same time and it's normal for them not to know how things work here. Some of them have improved, but am sorry to say, but some still are the same as they were when they first joined. I am just picking some of the points Mati raised in his post in the designer's lounge. And Notna, maybe you should add it in the first post as a quote because it relates directly to this matter. Useless posts. There are many useless posts being made by some of us. Everytime someone posts about a new project or opens a new thread, the next 5-6 posts are always just 'Good luck' posts. Is there really any need to post that? I mean, who would wish someone bad luck? If you have something else to say about that project and you wish them good luck in the same post, then it's okay, but just 'Good luck' posts are just useless. Also when someone releases a new mission, what's the next post going to be? 'Going to play this and post feedback' The OP replies 'Thanks.' Then after some minutes the first person finishes playing and replies with the feedback. The OP again says 'thanks'. And this may continue for many other members. What my point is that, why post 'Going to play this and post feedback ' if you are going to post feedback just after a few minutes. You can as well post the feedback directly. Then the OP can thank and respond to the person who gave the feedback. Talking about feedback, try to make the feedback more detailed than 'Wow, great missions. Continue with the great work' or 'Never going to play this, the missions are the worst I have played' Try to give some details as to why you think the missions are bad or good. Also, it shouldn't always be that you give positive feedback to everyone. No one is perfect and they may all be having some good and some bad in their missions. If you find anything good in the mission, just say what it is, and if there's something bad in the same mission, also point that out. It's the negatives that help the designer to improve their missions. Be honest with the negatives but also point out how to improve on them. You can check out some of the feedback posted by Doublepulse, they are always detailed and shows good and bad of the missions and even give suggestions. I have not seen this happening recently but it's worth mentioning. If you get a negative feedback from someone, you should not be harsh to the person who gave it to you. In fact you should appreciate that you are being corrected instead of letting your mistake pass by. I have seen many mission designers who just can't accept negative feedback and are then ignored by most people. You can't obviously get anyone who says that your missions are great when they can be given as the example of the worst missions. And if anyone does that, he is even worse than the person who is not giving any feedback at all Now to posting updates, it's true we are allowed to double/triple etc. post as long as they are updates. But try to keep that to minimum by posting only major updates like 'New mission added.' There is no need to post things like 'Main post updated with logo' Then after a few minutes you add the headers. 'Main post updated with headers' Then again after a few minutes you upload a mission. 'New mission added'. You can edit the main post in whatever you like and then add a post saying 'New mission added. Main post updated with logos and headers.' I really don't mind people's grammar as long as it is understandable. I know English may not be the mother tongue for many, it's not even my mother tongue. Although it's true that English is one of the language that is widely spoken as lingua franca over here. So it's likely not everyone knows good grammar. I understand it can be improved but there's no need to be a grammar nazi correcting each and every minor mistake. Whatever, I have written is just my opinion. And also I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I am just stating my observations. That's all, I guess... EDIT: @Alifjenius He is talking about the immature behavior that has been going on in DYOM recently. Corrected some grammar errors. Edited January 18, 2012 by Nitesh aka AAAAAAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnDReJ98 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I don't hate anyone here. Everybode treated me like a fool. But i know one day they will love me, and that doesn't need to get into a fight with someone. I don't care why someone disrespect me. It doesn't matter. So when someone tells me I'm stupid. I told him that i'am sorry, and saying that it will be better next time. I never swore someone. Only at DYOM site because someone made 4 accounts and hacked me ! After several months I received two comments that i have a good missions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abishai.kochara Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No probs, sorry, why don't you just reveal the names? Just clear my doubt if I'm on the list, ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notna Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Thanks for the comments. Abishai, think about it by yourself. I am not trying to blame anyone. There is no 'list'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abishai.kochara Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Thanks for the comments. Abishai, think about it by yourself. I am not trying to blame anyone. There is no 'list'. nah, of course you aren't blaming anyone, you're a nice guy! I just wanna' know if I'm like, the 'annoying idiot' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva. Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I was witing for someone to post this topic and thanks, Notna. But, I need some answers. Could someone give me examples for act of immaturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitesh002 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 No probs, sorry, why don't you just reveal the names? Just clear my doubt if I'm on the list, ok?You do know if we start mentioning people, it will just bring about flame wars. Even the observations I stated above of what I think is wrong are from different people. Just think about how you behave and correct yourself if you are doing anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMarshMallow Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 That's quite a long post Notna. It's a great topic to be discuss about. And Nitesh, I learnt something. Yeah, we're all same. We start as a newbie and act like an immature people. I myself being a retard when the first time I joined DYOM forum. Being an immature people and thought like I'm a big deal. I can't think how stupid am I to acted like that. But, I know. If we're still in our "immature style", all people will start going to leave us. So, that's why I'm try to grow myself up to be a mature person. And one more thing, I took this opportunity to say that I'm sorry if I acted like an immature kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Well, some people don't know if they did something wrong. I'm like that too. In my eyes, I never act immature, but if people mention it, then I know how stupid it was. So maybe it's better to give some names. I 'll begin I don't know who's acting immature, cause I don't care much about it Anyway, I 'll try to be as mature as I can But y'all don't need to get crazy if someone's acting immature and then leave you know... You can just ignore the immature posts and tell them how they're acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notna Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 That is the problem. When telling the immature people, they get even more immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guib Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) In all seriousness: I only don't understand why you couldn't have posted this in the Designers Lounge? Edited January 18, 2012 by guib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Maybe because here you discuss only about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alifjenius Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 @guib : Well, if we keep posting about "being immature" there, it isn't fit with "what the thread made for" You wonder: what is this topic? Well, this is, first and foremost, a lounge for designers. Have an idea for a mission? Post it here. Want to discuss the possibilities of a new mission pack? It may also be posted here. Need feedback about a trailer? Submit here. There's no need to explain the goal of the thread as the title is. This is not only a place to avoid countless topics, share ideas, discuss about missions and comment trailer. It is the designers lounge: a place where we gather and chat about missions. We are humans so let's act as ones. While we can talk about missions and mission packs we can find here, we can also suggest ones found on dyom.gtagames.nl that we cannot find here. You may also chat about other subjects but, keep it to a certain degree. Avoid useless spam and this thing will be up n' running. So we just going to discuss it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahonix Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Some people, are immature. And I'm also immature. I'm trying as hard as I can to be mature. And Nitesh, thanks for saying that. Now I understand it. I agree with Arejai, that we're all the same before. Trying to become a big deal to others, but we just going to get disrespect from others. I can't think how stupid am I before. And also, sorry if I'm being a stupid/immature/fool to you guys. Just using the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiTR Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I honestly hope I don't fall into the 'immature people' section. I have seen many of these people who are not just intentionally annoying, but also very rude. Everyone, please do not listen to these types of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notna Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Juan, I have to say that you are one of the best examples of a mature person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva. Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 When I began my forums life, I was really acting immature. There are few peoples who helped me at the beginning to gain some maturity and I'd like to thank them here. Alifjenius when I began my DYOM carrer, I was hanging around with poor english. I never realised that I have a poor language skills. One day I sent him a PM that his missions were really awesome in poor english. He thanked me first and then teached me about the importance of english in DYOM. I then realised my mistake and I fixed my english. Thank you very much, Alifjenius. Notna when I began my carrer, I was quoting long posts and I never realised that it's a crime. It was Notna who sent me a PM that quoting long post is a crime. He said it in a polite manner. I've never come across such a guy like him. Thanks, Notna. You made me realise my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IX-MJ-XI Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 "If you're serious about something, you must prepare for it before going in..." - It's not bad if we have 12 yrs. old members here, aslong as they know the following: Patient, Respect and Hard Work. Lot left cause of immaturity but mostly cause of inactivity. Missions like before aren't produce today, good mission designers like Mattatata, GalacticxP, Mati, etc., doesn't design anymore (or at the moment). Sometimes, good missions are left unfinished, sometimes, good missions are left unnoticed. - Before I gradually joined DYOM Community, I've been watching GalacticxP's Walking Dead via Youtube. Found out DYOM and just looked at forums, played couple of missions and create some for my own entertainment. Before I joined, I studied the in's and out's of DYOM, watched out for Good Mission Designers and ofcourse, improved my english capacity. What we lacked at the moment are not good mission designer, we're lack of patient and respect, we can't wait for a nice feedback, we don't even try out new missions from new designers, cause based on it's thread, the OP is a newb and the game isn't worth trying for. If we could wait for nice feedback and if we all give new designers a chance and help them to improve their designing missions skills, don't you think we will have alot of Jimmy_Leppard, Mati, Mattatata, GalacticxP? I for also find the DYOM a bit boring, but I'm trying my best to stay up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickW Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 If I've read the post of SatournFan correctly, the behavior of the "newcomers" itself isn't the reason for his (temporary) departure, but the fact that bullies on the forum make fun of them, and he's afraid that will have a bad influence at how people see him. I feel that this is wrong on many levels. First of all it's always weak to give up something you like, because of what others might think about it. You should do what you want to do in your life, regardless of what others think about it. Secondly by leaving you're encouraging the bullies to keep doing their thing, because they will see a departure because of them as a victory. A much better and constructive reaction to this would be to guide the newcomers into becoming better members by giving them constructive criticism. We've all been newcomers at one time, and most of us have been able to adapt ourselves reasonably well, with the help of our elder peers. By welcoming and helping newcomers, you will help build a strong community with lots of talented designers, that will make missions for us all to enjoy. About the immaturity Issue, I think the best sign of maturity is the way one handles immature behavior of others. By picking on their behavior, you're not resolving anything, just making it worse. But by keeping calm and helpful, even if others act immature, you show maturity and are a role-model for the immature ones, who will learn from you. Of course, everyone is free to leave if they no longer enjoying themselves, but don't leave for the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abishai.kochara Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 yes, why should someone else leave because someone's unwanted posts? thats what I'm trying to say - I've been quoted a hundered times and in worse way than you are being quoted.Don't leave because of some retards(no probs even if its me), just stay put and calm and ignore them. Goodbye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) A crime? Can they ban you for that? I always do that in V's forum. Edit: ohh....didn't see there were 2 pages. It's about shiva's post on the previous page. Edited January 19, 2012 by ThaBoY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva. Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 A crime?Can they ban you for that? I always do that in V's forum. It annoys others. You can quote on others posts but you should watch the length of the post you're gonna quote. To be safe, don't quote on main topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMarshMallow Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I loved the signature from Nitesh. It says: "Find good people and leave the bad ones.. ." but I change it to "Find the good in people and correct the bad in them." That's exactly true. Yeah, we don't need to leave the bad guys, or as in our section, an immature people. We just need to change them to be as better as we can. Teach and lead them to be more mature. That's way more clever if you know what its mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Patrick....you just gave me the best advise ever. Not for DYOM but for something in real life. Edited January 26, 2012 by ThaBoY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 If I've read the post of SatournFan correctly, the behavior of the "newcomers" itself isn't the reason for his (temporary) departure, but the fact that bullies on the forum make fun of them, and he's afraid that will have a bad influence at how people see him.I feel that this is wrong on many levels. First of all it's always weak to give up something you like, because of what others might think about it. You should do what you want to do in your life, regardless of what others think about it. Secondly by leaving you're encouraging the bullies to keep doing their thing, because they will see a departure because of them as a victory. A much better and constructive reaction to this would be to guide the newcomers into becoming better members by giving them constructive criticism. We've all been newcomers at one time, and most of us have been able to adapt ourselves reasonably well, with the help of our elder peers. By welcoming and helping newcomers, you will help build a strong community with lots of talented designers, that will make missions for us all to enjoy. About the immaturity Issue, I think the best sign of maturity is the way one handles immature behavior of others. By picking on their behavior, you're not resolving anything, just making it worse. But by keeping calm and helpful, even if others act immature, you show maturity and are a role-model for the immature ones, who will learn from you. Of course, everyone is free to leave if they no longer enjoying themselves, but don't leave for the wrong reasons. Why don't you just PM them an Reminder? You know, not to bully others because it's against rules. DYOM won't be working until you stop going off-topic with this. PMing people is a good idea. Nothing too harsh or nothing too cool, everybody was 5 years. Well, SF himself has a reason. His birthday is coming soon and he will be...15. The age is suitable for him to become a Led-By This is non-DYOM related post, no need to Quote this post, Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satourn Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Lol, I'll be 14, not 15, read the birthday date in my profile properly. And no, no one will make me a led-by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwabs Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Could someone tell me what a led-by is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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