Something that bugs me about this whole situation

[73duster]

 

Earth to 73Duster, how can someone 'deserve' a consumer product??

Normally, this would not apply, because under "normal" circumstances, the public simply decides whether or not if they WANT a product, buy PURCHASING it. However, on THIS forum, several people have bashed Rockstar because they DEMAND information and release date info. THOSE people don't consider themselves "consumers", and have stated repeatedly that they are OWED such products. Under THAT retarded mentality, i say that they DO NOT "deserve" a damn thing. You can't have it both ways, if you find it odd that someone should "deserve" a consumer product, then you should ALSO find it odd that anyone could DEMAND a consumer product.

[CookPassBabtridge]

When people stop 'demanding' GTA is pretty much when R*/T2 goes under. Cant blame people for being pissed about the lack of info after nearly 4 years.

[73duster]

 

When people stop 'demanding' GTA is pretty much when R*/T2 goes under. Cant blame people for being pissed about the lack of info after nearly 4 years.

I can understand WANTING information, but the bashing the bashing of a company, simply because of an unrealistic sense of entitlement , is just rediculous. Would you stand in front of Ford, stomp your feet and scream demanding that they build a new Mach 1? Would you call them "selfish"? Would'nt that be insane? Why is THIS any different? Demanding that a company create something specific for YOU, on YOUR timetable, is INSANE. Why do YOU care so much about Rockstars stability or future status? How does that affect YOU? If they go "under", that's THEIR problem, is'nt it?

[Diesel311]

When people stop 'demanding' GTA is pretty much when R*/T2 goes under. Cant blame people for being pissed about the lack of info after nearly 4 years.

I can understand WANTING information, but the bashing the bashing of a company, simply because of an unrealistic sense of entitlement , is just rediculous. Would you stand in front of Ford, stomp your feet and scream demanding that they build a new Mach 1? Would you call them "selfish"? Would'nt that be insane? Why is THIS any different? Demanding that a company create something specific for YOU, on YOUR timetable, is INSANE. Why do YOU care so much about Rockstars stability or future status? How does that affect YOU? If they go "under", that's THEIR problem, is'nt it?

+1 bro. I, for one, am not bothered the slightest that R* hasn't given us a release date yet. It will come out, it will be outstanding and that is all that matters.

[CookPassBabtridge]

I dont care about them going under anymore than I do people bashing them. You seem more emotional than most of the others on this forum...

 

Plus, nobody here has a 'timetable' either, they just have a patience threshold the same as anyone. 4 years aint bad going, and if R* want to ensure sales and perhaps get back the people that dumped IV off, then info has to start about now.

[morx555]

Look at GTA IV.

The trailer was released more then 1 year before the game was in the market.

So it will be the same in GTA V, I think.

[73duster]

I dont care about them going under anymore than I do people bashing them. You seem more emotional than most of the others on this forum...

 

Plus, nobody here has a 'timetable' either, they just have a patience threshold the same as anyone. 4 years aint bad going, and if R* want to ensure sales and perhaps get back the people that dumped IV off, then info has to start about now.

Pointing out things that are overboard and make no sense, does NOT make me any more emotional than those who are making crazy demands and unfounded accusations.

[Forzum]

Look at GTA IV.

The trailer was released more then 1 year before the game was in the market.

So it will be the same in GTA V, I think.

But when that trailer was released it was meant to be released 6 months after (October 2007), which ALL rockstar games have, it's always a 6/7 months from official trailer - planned release date.

[DiarioDePernambuco]

I now got a feeling that we won't have any GTA V news until Max Payne 3 is released. Yeah, it's a long wait, but it looks like they are struggeling with Max Payne. My guess is a trailer 2 around August and that's when the GTA V promotion train starts.

 

Yeah, Rockstar has been some REAL douchebags this time.

 

I don't really know where to put the GTA V release into the calendar. If it gets released in October, then it might affect the new Bioshock's sales. Of course these games are for two different people. The game is going to be incredible, and that is all that matters as someone else said.

 

I wouldn't rule out a 2013 release, perhaps in May?

Edited January 18, 2012 by DiarioDePernambuco

[deathil93]

Fan pressure and not-so-good sales combind with a crazy market.

[Meezarawcks]

I dont care about them going under anymore than I do people bashing them. You seem more emotional than most of the others on this forum...

 

Plus, nobody here has a 'timetable' either, they just have a patience threshold the same as anyone. 4 years aint bad going, and if R* want to ensure sales and perhaps get back the people that dumped IV off, then info has to start about now.

So hypothetically if they went under and you couldn't play GTA V you would be ok with that?

 

Not stating at all that your world would crumble around you or that your life would cease to exist because I understand it is just a game. But you wouldn't feel the slightest bit of remorse or pain?

 

Sorry if I am being too literal here again but I tend to speak in those terms.

[CookPassBabtridge]

I dont care about them going under anymore than I do people bashing them. You seem more emotional than most of the others on this forum...

 

Plus, nobody here has a 'timetable' either, they just have a patience threshold the same as anyone. 4 years aint bad going, and if R* want to ensure sales and perhaps get back the people that dumped IV off, then info has to start about now.

So hypothetically if they went under and you couldn't play GTA V you would be ok with that?

 

Not stating at all that your world would crumble around you or that your life would cease to exist because I understand it is just a game. But you wouldn't feel the slightest bit of remorse or pain?

 

Sorry if I am being too literal here again but I tend to speak in those terms.

Id rather have more GTAs, naturally. But in the grand scheme of life, if they went under, it's of their own doing.

 

I dont feel any sense of 'protection' towards them because it's just a big company now, without the maverick spirit it had previous.

 

I do have concerns at the way the series is going though, since IV it seems to have gone down an odd path and is slow to get on course.

[Meezarawcks]

Posted on the R* newswire:

 

R* Y49 minutes ago

 

While we’re glad that there’s so much ongoing enthusiasm and excitement here for GTAV, understand that further info and details about the game will only come in due time when we are ready to talk and show more.

However, for those of you crossing the line with abusive language and behavior here, or calling for a boycott of Rockstar or other such nonsense – be advised, you will have your commenting privileges revoked.

Everyone else, just hang tight and thanks for your patience!

Rockstar Games

 

 

Make of it what you will. But I hope (even though I know it will) that more negative comments don't get thrown around.

[Eternal Moonshine]

 

Earth to 73Duster, how can someone 'deserve' a consumer product??

For many of us GTA isn't just a product. Zee apparently was born merely to play GTA, which is weird considering how low he thinks of R*. How was a bunch of lazy drunks able to create something he is so crazy about? Doesn't make any sense, unless they're not so incompetent after all. But why would he want to put them in such a bad light then? Because he's an ungrateful asshole and a troll. I think R* deserve some appreciation or at least not to be bashed for nothing but pleasing him by delivering a "product" he can't live without. There is something called constructive criticism. Look it up Zee. If it was up to me he would never play any R* game . Especially GTA

[Meezarawcks]

I dont care about them going under anymore than I do people bashing them. You seem more emotional than most of the others on this forum...

 

Plus, nobody here has a 'timetable' either, they just have a patience threshold the same as anyone. 4 years aint bad going, and if R* want to ensure sales and perhaps get back the people that dumped IV off, then info has to start about now.

So hypothetically if they went under and you couldn't play GTA V you would be ok with that?

 

Not stating at all that your world would crumble around you or that your life would cease to exist because I understand it is just a game. But you wouldn't feel the slightest bit of remorse or pain?

 

Sorry if I am being too literal here again but I tend to speak in those terms.

Id rather have more GTAs, naturally. But in the grand scheme of life, if they went under, it's of their own doing.

 

I dont feel any sense of 'protection' towards them because it's just a big company now, without the maverick spirit it had previous.

 

I do have concerns at the way the series is going though, since IV it seems to have gone down an odd path and is slow to get on course.

Well of course who here wouldn't want more GTA's. But I feel they are too strong to go under. They make some class games even if you feel they don't anymore. The company has become more then just GTA but then again it is my opinion. I feel like there is a strong majority who rally for them and fewer population of naysayers. I could be wrong, they could go under, but I highly doubt that.

[mikkenugent]

I'm not on the boat of demandin sh*t from R* but I do believe enuff is enuff for at the least solid info on V. I'm sorry CTW and both dlc's to most fans do not equate to a 4 1/2 years wait for V let alone simple release dates, platforms, etc. People have been patient for a very long time and in that time opted to buy other R* products on the reputation they created with their work on the GTA series. Do I agree with people condemin R* to the point of threatinin them in anyway? No! But it shows that without really any info people will get tired of waitin and move on. Waitin long stretches of time isn't the best solution here any more and fans "bitchin" isn't a good sign, weather they feel entitled to a product or not isn't the case, the fact is, is if the hardcore fan is getting fed up with this style of marketin then how in the world is the casual gamer goin to put up with it?

 

All in all I feel a way to appease GTA's fanbase by this point is to give at least the basic details platforms, targeted release windows, etc. I'm not saying this in light of MP3 but in light of how the fanbase for the series has reacted to the MP3 delay. If anythin we have been patient, we tried R*'s other flavors and now we want at least some basic general info. That's not so hard is it?

Edited January 18, 2012 by mikkenugent

[CookPassBabtridge]

No, I didnt say they were going to go under (being too literal again...) I said without continued fanbase support/people demanding info, that's when it would be curtains. If people want to bash the company, so be it. It's getting a message across at the end of the day.

 

Just read that pinned notice on Newswire you mentioned......pretty funny. Basically theyre telling everyone to shut up, and theyre not telling us sh*t. You'd think they were sat on the cure for aids the way theyre acting. Theyre stuck like it until May now too, best of luck to 'em.

 

@mikkenugent: you summed it up pretty well, there is a line where the hype/wait is going to get negative.

[Meezarawcks]

I'm not on the boat of demandin sh*t from R* but I do believe enuff is enuff for at the least solid info on V. I'm sorry CTW and both dlc's to most fans do not equate to a 4 1/2 years wait for V let alone simple release dates, platforms, etc. People have been patient for a very long time and in that time opted to buy other R* products on the reputation they created with their work on the GTA series. Do I agree with people condemin R* to the point of threatinin them in anyway? No! But it shows that without really any info people will get tired of waitin and move on. Waitin long stretches of time isn't the best solution here any more and fans "bitchin" isn't a good sign, weather they feel entitled to a product or not isn't the case, the fact is, is if the hardcore fan is getting fed up with this style of marketin then how in the world is the casual gamer goin to put up with it?

 

All in all I feel a way to appease GTA's fanbase by this point is to give at least the basic details platforms, targeted

Well I feel the hardcore fan is the only one who is getting upset by this. I mean I am a hardcore GTA fan but I am willing to wait because I understand there is more to life then GTA. No I am not saying that other people here have no life and only think about GTA 24/7. I come here daily and see there is no news but I don't make it a point to stress myself out over it.

 

As far as the casual gamer is concerned they are out doing there day to day thing until the game is released only frequently checking online for some new info. For the people that come to this forum and check it daily they obviously get discouraged not hearing anything. Make anything a habit and it can get annoying when you don't get the desired result.

[73duster]

Getting information has never stopped any of the bashing. It took almost NO time for the demanding and anti Rockstar sentiment to hit an all time high, right after the trailer. I'm glad they issued a statement pretty much telling everyone to STFU and be patient. As for those who continue to say that fans will leave if they have to wait any longer, i say you are full of SH*T. You have been making these threats forever, and no matter what, you WILL buy the games WHENEVER they come out. You are ALL talk.

[Meezarawcks]

 

No, I didnt say they were going to go under (being too literal again...) I said without continued fanbase support/people demanding info, that's when it would be curtains. If people want to bash the company, so be it. It's getting a message across at the end of the day.

 

Just read that pinned notice on Newswire you mentioned......pretty funny. Basically theyre telling everyone to shut up, and theyre not telling us sh*t. You'd think they were sat on the cure for aids the way theyre acting. Theyre stuck like it until May now too, best of luck to 'em.

 

@mikkenugent: you summed it up pretty well, there is a line where the hype/wait is going to get negative.

Me and my literal ways lol sorry man. I see what you are saying and it is understandable. As far as the message goes I guess one could argue it is there "way" of handling game releases. Also some of those comments there are pretty outrageous and I thought the forums were bad. I understand most people just want the bare facts (which platform, release date, etc). I personally feel they aren't ready to give a release date yet. But it is what it is.

[73duster]

No, I didnt say they were going to go under (being too literal again...) I said without continued fanbase support/people demanding info, that's when it would be curtains. If people want to bash the company, so be it. It's getting a message across at the end of the day.

 

Just read that pinned notice on Newswire you mentioned......pretty funny. Basically theyre telling everyone to shut up, and theyre not telling us sh*t. You'd think they were sat on the cure for aids the way theyre acting. Theyre stuck like it until May now too, best of luck to 'em.

 

@mikkenugent: you summed it up pretty well, there is a line where the hype/wait is going to get negative.

Me and my literal ways lol sorry man. I see what you are saying and it is understandable. As far as the message goes I guess one could argue it is there "way" of handling game releases. Also some of those comments there are pretty outrageous and I thought the forums were bad. I understand most people just want the bare facts (which platform, release date, etc). I personally feel they aren't ready to give a release date yet. But it is what it is.

This is why they should'nt dole out ANY info until they are a couple of months away from a release date. You give people the info that they want, and they only become MORE demanding. They are NEVER satisfied.

[CookPassBabtridge]

No, I didnt say they were going to go under (being too literal again...) I said without continued fanbase support/people demanding info, that's when it would be curtains. If people want to bash the company, so be it. It's getting a message across at the end of the day.

 

Just read that pinned notice on Newswire you mentioned......pretty funny. Basically theyre telling everyone to shut up, and theyre not telling us sh*t. You'd think they were sat on the cure for aids the way theyre acting. Theyre stuck like it until May now too, best of luck to 'em.

 

@mikkenugent: you summed it up pretty well, there is a line where the hype/wait is going to get negative.

Me and my literal ways lol sorry man. I see what you are saying and it is understandable. As far as the message goes I guess one could argue it is there "way" of handling game releases. Also some of those comments there are pretty outrageous and I thought the forums were bad. I understand most people just want the bear facts (which platform, release date, etc). I personally feel they aren't ready to give a release date yet. But it is what it is.

Yeah there are some young kids on the Newswire that like to go a bit ballistic.

 

I think the lack of release date is Rockstar's get out card for all this, Im guessing it's all to protect the 2 dollar share prediction. The only thing stopping them throwing some screens out is seemingly Max Payne.

[GTA-King]

It's a rather good thought for people to just stfu up and be patient. But in reality, they will still always do it. The shameful thing is that most of the people that are moaning and bitching are not even old enough to play the game in the first place. They're like a plague really. I blame the parents.

 

The way I feel about all this? I am as calm as a hindu cow. Info will come in due time. For every second that goes by is another second which makes V a greater game. That's the way I see it anyway.

 

Get like me!

[Fraizer]

Posted on the R* newswire:

 

R* Y49 minutes ago

 

While we’re glad that there’s so much ongoing enthusiasm and excitement here for GTAV, understand that further info and details about the game will only come in due time when we are ready to talk and show more.

However, for those of you crossing the line with abusive language and behavior here, or calling for a boycott of Rockstar or other such nonsense – be advised, you will have your commenting privileges revoked.

Everyone else, just hang tight and thanks for your patience!

Rockstar Games

 

 

Make of it what you will. But I hope (even though I know it will) that more negative comments don't get thrown around.

Thanks for that... Maybe they will bring some news soon.

[Meezarawcks]

No, I didnt say they were going to go under (being too literal again...) I said without continued fanbase support/people demanding info, that's when it would be curtains. If people want to bash the company, so be it. It's getting a message across at the end of the day.

 

Just read that pinned notice on Newswire you mentioned......pretty funny. Basically theyre telling everyone to shut up, and theyre not telling us sh*t. You'd think they were sat on the cure for aids the way theyre acting. Theyre stuck like it until May now too, best of luck to 'em.

 

@mikkenugent: you summed it up pretty well, there is a line where the hype/wait is going to get negative.

Me and my literal ways lol sorry man. I see what you are saying and it is understandable. As far as the message goes I guess one could argue it is there "way" of handling game releases. Also some of those comments there are pretty outrageous and I thought the forums were bad. I understand most people just want the bare facts (which platform, release date, etc). I personally feel they aren't ready to give a release date yet. But it is what it is.

This is why they should'nt dole out ANY info until they are a couple of months away from a release date. You give people the info that they want, and they only become MORE demanding. They are NEVER satisfied.

Yeah but before the trailer was out, and even now, people state how long they have taken between GTA's. So its unsatisfactory from many peoples standards that they hold R* to.

 

 

@cookpassbabtridge - Well if the whole "using GTA to market MP" is realistic then they might just release something in FEB to juice up hype for MP3's release.

 

@GTA-KING - Well said my friend.

[donnie_danko]

It's a rather good thought for people to just stfu up and be patient. But in reality, they will still always do it. The shameful thing is that most of the people that are moaning and bitching are not even old enough to play the game in the first place. They're like a plague really. I blame the parents.

 

The way I feel about all this? I am as calm as a hindu cow. Info will come in due time. For every second that goes by is another second which makes V a greater game. That's the way I see it anyway.

 

Get like me!

Wish everyone felt like this...

 

Good post

[mikkenugent]

I'm not on the boat of demandin sh*t from R* but I do believe enuff is enuff for at the least solid info on V. I'm sorry CTW and both dlc's to most fans do not equate to a 4 1/2 years wait for V let alone simple release dates, platforms, etc. People have been patient for a very long time and in that time opted to buy other R* products on the reputation they created with their work on the GTA series. Do I agree with people condemin R* to the point of threatinin them in anyway? No! But it shows that without really any info people will get tired of waitin and move on. Waitin long stretches of time isn't the best solution here any more and fans "bitchin" isn't a good sign, weather they feel entitled to a product or not isn't the case, the fact is, is if the hardcore fan is getting fed up with this style of marketin then how in the world is the casual gamer goin to put up with it?

 

All in all I feel a way to appease GTA's fanbase by this point is to give at least the basic details platforms, targeted

Well I feel the hardcore fan is the only one who is getting upset by this. I mean I am a hardcore GTA fan but I am willing to wait because I understand there is more to life then GTA. No I am not saying that other people here have no life and only think about GTA 24/7. I come here daily and see there is no news but I don't make it a point to stress myself out over it.

 

As far as the casual gamer is concerned they are out doing there day to day thing until the game is released only frequently checking online for some new info. For the people that come to this forum and check it daily they obviously get discouraged not hearing anything. Make anything a habit and it can get annoying when you don't get the desired result.

Believe what you will but at the end of the day a long wait will decrease V's value. While R* waits to release V other developers are closin the gap and eatin up more and more of the market. You wait too long and yur product is no longer relevant. For sh*ts sake look at it this way, this little renegade band called Metallica rounded up a huge followin, then one day decided hey lets give the people somethin different! Well it took them 5 years to do this, by this point people moved on for whatever reason, then they release Load. This was a huge backfire as it didn't deliver on what the fans wanted from them. Years and many mediocre albums later this band (though still popular) has the lowest followin in their 30 year career. This is due to almost the same strategy R* employs today. For arguments sake since so many seem to bash IV for some reason is R*'s equivalent to Load, there's a long wait and who knows for sure that V will in fact deliver? We can't even speculate on it because we know nothin about this game. Fact is are the hardcore the only people goin berserk? No I'm sure TTwo plus shareholders are also awaitin such details. As for the casual gamer sure they might buy V unless there's somethin better (to them) that's out or comin out. Moral of the story is R* seems to have played the mysterious card too much by this point and a backlash seems on the horizon in some way, be it fans it shareholders. If MP3 is a solid AAA title then a release date and system info for V would have no effect on MP3's sales. Sure didn't with RDR's when EFLC came out.

[Staten]

Fact is are the hardcore the only people goin berserk? No I'm sure TTwo plus shareholders are also awaitin such details. As for the casual gamer sure they might buy V unless there's somethin better (to them) that's out or comin out. Moral of the story is R* seems to have played the mysterious card too much by this point and a backlash seems on the horizon in some way, be it fans it shareholders.

Doesn't look like the markets have reacted badly to the news of MP3's delay or it's implications for V; from yesterdays announcement to close of business yesterday, the share price stayed steady. Today it is starting to climb. Maybe we'll see a more negative reaction over time, but I'm not sure we will; the amount of games coming out in financial 2013 looks like a dead cert for profitability even before you factor in V, since there are a lot of sequels to popular games, and a lot of them have received positive press. A later release for V would actually make TTWO more popular for shareholders, since it holds the prospect of the company being profitable in both financial 2013 and 2014.

[gta_fan28]

Not to be hypocrite to anyone on this forum as a GTA series fan for a long time I loved this series very much infact this is my favorite video game series. But the thing is it seems R* making the fans let down by keeping them waiting too long. Does they feel what ordinary fans felt? Ofcourse not who are we to them anyway? For them buy the game if u like it if don't then don't buy it simple as that. We're all just money for them. I know most of u will disagree with me but that's what I feel to them we're all just big pile of MONEY. Do they really care about what fans feel? No I think they only care about are money but what we feel no way. No wonder why most of the fans are upset and saying bad things to them. They can't blame them cause that's what they feel. They say they want to hype the game so the fans will get excited but the thing is most fans doesn't feel excited or hype anymore they feel very upset and angry. But I still have faith in this series and whatever the outcome of the game I'll still love it cause it's GTA game. It's all about MONEY! MONEY! MONEY!

 

Here's a song for u R*.

 

Edited January 18, 2012 by gta_fan28

[mikkenugent]

Fact is are the hardcore the only people goin berserk? No I'm sure TTwo plus shareholders are also awaitin such details. As for the casual gamer sure they might buy V unless there's somethin better (to them) that's out or comin out. Moral of the story is R* seems to have played the mysterious card too much by this point and a backlash seems on the horizon in some way, be it fans it shareholders.

Doesn't look like the markets have reacted badly to the news of MP3's delay or it's implications for V; from yesterdays announcement to close of business yesterday, the share price stayed steady. Today it is starting to climb. Maybe we'll see a more negative reaction over time, but I'm not sure we will; the amount of games coming out in financial 2013 looks like a dead cert for profitability even before you factor in V, since there are a lot of sequels to popular games, and a lot of them have received positive press. A later release for V would actually make TTWO more popular for shareholders, since it holds the prospect of the company being profitable in both financial 2013 and 2014.

I don't think you really understood my point, my comments aren't directed at the MP3 delay per say but to the reaction the delay has garnered. Fact is if people get fed up than who's goin to supply R* their lifesblood (money). Waitin is not the answer here look at Duke Nukem Forever, yes the hardcore fan (or what's left of them) bought the game but besides that not many others did. Waitin longer means yur sittin on old stock that will try to compete with newer games with better tech. I'm not lobbyin for a sped up release but I am lobbyin for a little bit of info which I believe holds no bearin on MP3's sales, a simple platform and release window (not even an exact date, but year would be fine) should be the least that R* could throw out to the public. Like I said you make em wait too long you may find that when yur ready they are no longer waitin.