The PS3 version

[cherrycola]

"The PS3 version isn't even rendered in HD." Hilarious!

 

Please, explain that.

RDR renders at 644p on the PS3, and is then only upscaled to 720p/1080i/1080p.

[Ash_735]

then again, most games that are developed for the PS3 first are just too powerful for the 360 to handle

Not true, Third Party Games that are developed on the PS3 first tend to be easier to port to the Xbox 360, that's because the PS3 has a stepping block of 256+256 Video and System Ram, where as the Xbox 360 just has a flat out 512 + 10 Ram which can be used anyway and adjusted by developers. By developing on the PS3 first, you won't face the problem of over loading the GFX Ram because it's coded to work with, say, 384MB, because that's the profile they made on the Xbox 360 version. By developing in mind for strictly 256 + 256, you can work your engine to the console ability, and in the case of the PS3, take advantage of the SPU/CPU Rendering. There you could off load colour corrections, AA, Post Rendering Effects, etc, without having to use the 256 partion of the GFX. Once that's sorted and you safely have the game running on the PS3, looking as good as it can be, can you then take that code and adjust it on the Xbox 360 engine, so, if the AA, Post Rendering Effects, etc, are applied here, they can adjust the GFX Ram to use that whilst lowering the System Ram partion, and then if they wish to bulk up the AA, they can use the buffer of the extra 10MB Ram to handle that and V-Sync.

 

PS3 lead Third Party started happening as far back as 2008 with EA leading the cause, one of their flagship games of the time, Mirrors Edge, was PS3 lead, of course being that early, the PS3 version lacked AA due to MLAA not being finalised, but apart from AA, the PS3 version was identical to the Xbox 360 version, there was no lower resolution, or blurry textures, the game was performing in harmony on both consoles, since then EA have been PS3 lead for most of their titles, even the upcoming SSX is PS3 lead as the extra options are being used to stream music from the consoles hard drive and mix it fluently into gameplay (first seen majorly in GT5). After that other companies switched to PS3 lead, including UbiSoft, who have recently perfected their engine on the PS3 and Xbox 360 with Assassin's Creed: Revelations, with the game looking near identical on both platforms, a far cry away from Assassins Creed 1 which used an older engine build on the PS3 because they ran out of time!

 

Rockstar Games have yet to show RAGE engine in this fashion, as great as they are, they are lazy, Grand Theft Auto IV and RDR were nearly two years apart, but their PS3 engine was still showing the exact same problems with barely any work done it, it was only after numerous patches that Rockstar at least gave PS3 users extra control options.

 

A high majority of First Party Games on the PS3 are heavy SPU/CPU Renered Effects, look at Uncharted 3, things such as the Sand Effects, that golden glow, etc, were all done by SPU/CPU Post Rendering and joint rendering.

[Slamman]

720Progressive on PS3 would look fine, or even 1080i is not a bad thing, people. It's traditional interlace video, but at the highest HD resolutions, you can't see that on your old TV, and for the record, I've been gaming longer then anyone here! hahaha

I've owned a whole host of systems but my TV tech has always been rather antiquated until I got a 32 inch VIORE HD TV, and then some monitors as well.

 

An addendum as well, recent issue of Maximum PC covers Battlefield 3 in length regarding it's PC biased development, versus all the console platforms, anyone interested in the developer angle approaching the hardware differences would be advised to track that down, it shows again how there's a problem each developer faces and chooses to tackle when making their games work on competing platform technology

Edited January 16, 2012 by Slamman

[mubd]

"The PS3 version isn't even rendered in HD." Hilarious!

 

Please, explain that.

RDR renders at 644p on the PS3, and is then only upscaled to 720p/1080i/1080p.

That's higher def than standard def (480i/576i).

 

However, I just don't get why people can't understand the concept of the game being upscaled.

 

Imagine this is the original image that the console is putting out:

 

Here it is upscaled to a higher resolution:

 

Compare it with an image that has been generated natively at a higher resolution:

 

[Slamman]

Dudes, dudes.... Anything beyond 480i in the DIGITAL realm of TV and video is High Definition, and of course, that's a horrible example of upscaling. Better example of Digital Zoom on camcorders! hahaha Why did that take so long to load? Was it in HDJPG format??

[Official General]

 

I play RDR on PS3, and the graphics you've so adamantly associated with the PS3 do not at all resemble what I look at when I play it. My graphics are exactly like the "360 graphics", HD. In fact, I have never had an issue with poor graphics on my system.

 

 

@ hayden

 

This issue about the PS3 version of Red Dead Redemption being inferior, I'll just never understand. The 360 fanatic fools who keep screaming out this rubbish have probably never even played or seen RDR on the PS3, they have more than likely just believed the unreliable and very biased online video comparisons and false stories from 360-biased sources. I have RDR on the PS3 and it just looks incredible and amazing, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Edited January 17, 2012 by Official General

[Static94]

you guys seen god of war 3? absolutely gorgeous ass looking game , I heard the disc holds up to 32 gb!!!! and only 5 mb to install , R* should start making exclusive DLC for the GTA V and make em gorgeous

 

[œaœa]

I play RDR on PS3, and the graphics you've so adamantly associated with the PS3 do not at all resemble what I look at when I play it. My graphics are exactly like the "360 graphics", HD. In fact, I have never had an issue with poor graphics on my system.

 

 

@ hayden

 

This issue about the PS3 version of Red Dead Redemption being inferior, I'll just never understand. The 360 fanatic fools who keep screaming out this rubbish have probably never even played or seen RDR on the PS3, they have more than likely just believed the unreliable and very biased online video comparisons and false stories from 360-biased sources. I have RDR on the PS3 and it just looks incredible and amazing, there is absolutely bothing wrong with it.

I've played it on PS3. Trust me it looks exactly how lensoftruth says. So much aliasing and blurriness. It makes the game hard to play.

[cherrycola]

I play RDR on PS3, and the graphics you've so adamantly associated with the PS3 do not at all resemble what I look at when I play it. My graphics are exactly like the "360 graphics", HD. In fact, I have never had an issue with poor graphics on my system.

 

 

@ hayden

 

This issue about the PS3 version of Red Dead Redemption being inferior, I'll just never understand. The 360 fanatic fools who keep screaming out this rubbish have probably never even played or seen RDR on the PS3, they have more than likely just believed the unreliable and very biased online video comparisons and false stories from 360-biased sources. I have RDR on the PS3 and it just looks incredible and amazing, there is absolutely bothing wrong with it.

Are you being serious? It's hard to tell. The sources provided are in no way 'biased'. Not everyone is a retarded console fanboy you know, most people would demand to be paid in order to do something like that.

[Official General]

I play RDR on PS3, and the graphics you've so adamantly associated with the PS3 do not at all resemble what I look at when I play it. My graphics are exactly like the "360 graphics", HD. In fact, I have never had an issue with poor graphics on my system.

 

 

@ hayden

 

This issue about the PS3 version of Red Dead Redemption being inferior, I'll just never understand. The 360 fanatic fools who keep screaming out this rubbish have probably never even played or seen RDR on the PS3, they have more than likely just believed the unreliable and very biased online video comparisons and false stories from 360-biased sources. I have RDR on the PS3 and it just looks incredible and amazing, there is absolutely bothing wrong with it.

Are you being serious? It's hard to tell. The sources provided are in no way 'biased'. Not everyone is a retarded console fanboy you know, most people would demand to be paid in order to do something like that.

By " sources " I just meant general people who talk on gaming forums and support the 360. I did'nt mean professional gaming sites. None of the main online gaming reviewers stated that the PS3 version of Red Redemption was inferior to the 360 version. Not one of them ever stated this. I took particular interest in this, because I was gonna buy the game and I was actually a bit concerned because the 360 crowd seemed so confident that their version was better. In the end, all it turned out to be was that 360 version had slightly more grass !! Other than that, there was no real significant difference. I've seen both versions and I genuinely prefer the look of the PS3 version, it had smoother colours and the sharpness was more balanced. I thought the 360 version was too bright and too sharp around the edges. But my views are not facts, its just my personal preference. With 360 guys, they screamed their nonesense out like it were facts, thats the difference.

[Sean5]

 

Than the Xbox 360? Very likely. PS3 has a weaker GPU than the Xbox. It might have better sound quality though, due to the extra storage space on blu-rays.

 

Anyway, the differences are only marginal. If you want the best graphics, you should get a decent computer running it.

Yeah, but PS3's CPU is so powerful that its finding cures for cancers and various other diseases, Google [email protected] and lets see who's winning when all games made are 15gb+ and xbox boys will be changing discs every 5-10 minutes

That is the dumbest post I've ever read. 5-10 minutes? Are you serious? And unless YOU are actually the one using the CELL processor to find a cure for cancer, who gives a flying f*ck? I love my Xbox 360 and PS3 but honestly man the general population doesn't buy a PS3 with "OHHHH THIS THING HAS A CHIP IN IT THAT CURES CANCER" in mind.

I was making a point that the PS3's CPU is better. no need to be such a d*ckhead And with the way gaming is going yeah they could be switching disks at that rate.

[MIKON8ERISBACK]

Blu Ray as a storage medium can store more data on one disk, even with minimal compression algorithms. Xbox 360 just uses a tweaked version of DVD-DATA, a storage media which was actually conceived along with the release of DVD-Video in 1997, and achieved mainstream usage in the mid 2000s. A single layer Blu Ray disk can hold up to 25GB of program data!!! With dual layer disks, were talking about 50GB!!! With the new and emerging BDXL format, which neither most Blu Ray players nor the PlayStation 3 support, were talking about storage capacities of about 128GB of read-only-memory (ROM).

 

For a comparison, GTA IV was just about 3GB in terms of storage demands on it's PS3 Blu Ray disk.

[gmcb007]

It's quite funny watching the same fanboys spout out the same sh*te. Lock this thread, it's going nowhere bar south.

[ChillyPhilly]

Progressive is better than Interlace.

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

[shotGTA]

oh god stop this fan war , PS3 and xbox are just the same , only one uses bleuray and the other not. BOOHOO ! , man grow up.

 

happy i got a pc :l...

[Inusan]

 

I hope the game runs at 1080p though.

720p? Pfft, Corrected.

Edited January 17, 2012 by Inusan

[GTAxYushix]

Progressive is better than Interlace.

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Indeed.

 

Progressive shows images without "quality loss" while Interlaced shows some blurry stuff at fast movements...

However Interlaced runs smooth and Progressive will have a bit of "lag"delay at fast scenes.

 

But Progressive is way better

 

720p > 1080i, got proven today by an expert.

[GTAxYushix]

oh god stop this fan war , PS3 and xbox are just the same , only one uses bleuray and the other not. BOOHOO ! , man grow up.

 

happy i got a pc :l...

Everyone has a PC, it's even more patethic of you to even mention a PC which is WAY WAY far ahead of the consoles.

So you being happy you have a PC is just silly, im sure 99% on this forum has 1.

 

Ofc not everyone has a good PC but you can't call a PC into this discussion.

 

 

 

[hayden11]

"The PS3 version isn't even rendered in HD." Hilarious!

 

Please, explain that.

RDR renders at 644p on the PS3, and is then only upscaled to 720p/1080i/1080p.

Please tell me where you have got this information.

 

As touched upon in my previous post, you can't possibly stereotype all PS3 systems unless there is specified information from the game's dev team or any other figure associated with the concerned companies etc. that this is the case! I just can't understand it, to be honest. My graphics are completely up-to-scratch with no blurs, not glitching of the display etc. whatsoever.

[ccrogers15]

"The PS3 version isn't even rendered in HD." Hilarious!

 

Please, explain that.

RDR renders at 644p on the PS3, and is then only upscaled to 720p/1080i/1080p.

Yes, but i have a few games that render in HD. It only renders in HD IF you have a HD TV and IF you have HDMI cords. If your using junk inputs, then it wont be in HD.

[l911]

i like the way GTA IV looks on ps3 and RDR was eaven better (sharper ) im not afraid of the quality in GTA V.

[GrandTheftAuto101]

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

[Official General]

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

If think I get what you mean. Even if you already own a 360, you should still buy another one because it is highly likely it will breakdown and get RROD.

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

If think I get what you mean. Even if you already own a 360, you should still buy another one because it is highly likely it will breakdown and get RROD.

General I bought a 360 Arcade in 2009 and never once got a RROD. I now have a 360s that I bought 2 weeks after release in 2010 which has been flawless.

[Chukkles]

"Is quality yes? From Bulgaria!"

 

I think the graphics will be the same on both consoles.

It couldn't be done with IV, and the X-box came out top with better colour schemes.

 

What makes you think it can be done with V???

[Official General]

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

If think I get what you mean. Even if you already own a 360, you should still buy another one because it is highly likely it will breakdown and get RROD.

General I bought a 360 Arcade in 2009 and never once got a RROD. I now have a 360s that I bought 2 weeks after release in 2010 which has been flawless.

Thats great for you, and you are one of the extremely lucky ones who have never experienced a 360 breaking down on them. It's a shame the same cannot be said for a good few million other 360 owners. I know quite a number of people who own 360s and ALL of them had at least one 360 break down on them, and ALL of them had to get them replaced and buy new ones. Despite your good fortune, lets face it, the 360's failure rate was just legendary (in bad way).

[Algonquin Assassin]

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

If think I get what you mean. Even if you already own a 360, you should still buy another one because it is highly likely it will breakdown and get RROD.

General I bought a 360 Arcade in 2009 and never once got a RROD. I now have a 360s that I bought 2 weeks after release in 2010 which has been flawless.

Thats great for you, and you are one of the extremely lucky ones who have never experienced a 360 breaking down on them. It's a shame the same cannot be said for a good few million other 360 owners. I know quite a number of people who own 360s and ALL of them had at least one 360 break down on them, and ALL of them had to get them replaced and buy new ones. Despite your good fortune, lets face it, the 360's failure rate was just legendary (in bad way).

It's only relevant to the early ones. The 360s doesn't have the same failure rate and is far, far more refined than the original 360.

[Chukkles]

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

If think I get what you mean. Even if you already own a 360, you should still buy another one because it is highly likely it will breakdown and get RROD.

General I bought a 360 Arcade in 2009 and never once got a RROD. I now have a 360s that I bought 2 weeks after release in 2010 which has been flawless.

Thats great for you, and you are one of the extremely lucky ones who have never experienced a 360 breaking down on them. It's a shame the same cannot be said for a good few million other 360 owners. I know quite a number of people who own 360s and ALL of them had at least one 360 break down on them, and ALL of them had to get them replaced and buy new ones. Despite your good fortune, lets face it, the 360's failure rate was just legendary (in bad way).

Every PS3 owneer I know personally, has had to replace their PS3's at least once.

 

That include my brother and 4 friends. The only 5 PS3 owners I socialise with have had to replace them, only my Bro had any standing warrenty and the others had to rebuy.

 

I give you the Paperweight 3.

[Official General]

 

Buy an xbox, even if you already have one.

If think I get what you mean. Even if you already own a 360, you should still buy another one because it is highly likely it will breakdown and get RROD.

General I bought a 360 Arcade in 2009 and never once got a RROD. I now have a 360s that I bought 2 weeks after release in 2010 which has been flawless.

Thats great for you, and you are one of the extremely lucky ones who have never experienced a 360 breaking down on them. It's a shame the same cannot be said for a good few million other 360 owners. I know quite a number of people who own 360s and ALL of them had at least one 360 break down on them, and ALL of them had to get them replaced and buy new ones. Despite your good fortune, lets face it, the 360's failure rate was just legendary (in bad way).

Every PS3 owneer I know personally, has had to replace their PS3's at least once.

 

That include my brother and 4 friends. The only 5 PS3 owners I socialise with have had to replace them, only my Bro had any standing warrenty and the others had to rebuy.

 

I give you the Paperweight 3.

@ Miamivicecity

 

Yeah I hear it has improved now, but I personally think the whole RROD really derailed the 360's attempt to get on top of the PS3, giving the PS3 a great chance to catch up and now it has. The 360 lost a great deal of standing because its extremely terrible reliability and failure rate.

 

@ Chukkles

 

Whatever. I'm stating something that is actually true, you are just making things up and taking shots in the dark, desperately trying to get even with the PS3, even if it means clearly telling lies about it. You know deep down that the PS3 does not have anywhere near the level of hardware problems the 360 does.

Edited January 18, 2012 by Official General

[Ash_735]

I really think people should read my post explaing the difference between what console is lead and why PS3 lead is better, I know guys, it's a long post, but trust me, if you make it to the end, you'll be a little bit smarter!