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[Otter]

Mike was opposed to killing the engineers, so I doubt he had anything planned here.

 

I think it's pretty apparent that Todd is just a misguided overachiever who's more than a little too tenacious.

 

One thing that's kind of bugging me is how many people are getting involved in things at this point. Mike was being so specific about leaving no witnesses, but they've dealt with so many middlemen at this point - on a face to face basis - that I reckon that cat is out of the friggin' bag. Jesse still calls him "Mister White" for God's sake. And now, keeping Lydia alive? She's the first person I'd expect to try and get Walt busted.

 

This was really a turning point. I don't think Walt's going to be able to keep up this double life for long.

[EscoLehGo]

It's not really a double life at this point though is it? He's pretty much doing this full time now, I think he's accepted it as his new career path.

[GTA-King]

@Otter: That's true. I totally forgot about that scene where he was talking with Walt saying how he was against killing witnesses. Todd is just a sick bastard. Walt and Jesse told him that no one could know about the heist but them... Todd was under the wrong impression. Still though, it says alot about his character if he so willingly kills a kid.

 

I agree that alot of people are getting involved in Walt's "organization." Todd is a psycho, Lydia is a nervous wreck... it's just not good for business. Walt is hell-bent on creating an empire though... possibly equal or better than Gus'. Walt won't last as long as Gus did as the "king" because unlike Gus, Walt has a big ego. Gus was successful because he did a great job of staying secretive. Walt will eventually want the WORLD to recognise him as King Heisenberg. His ego will be his downfall.

[Vormek]

Todd just got the wrong impression about Walt and Jesse. They presented themselves as ruthless and uncaring when really they're not at all.

+1! Totally agree.

[Otter]

 

It's not really a double life at this point though is it? He's pretty much doing this full time now, I think he's accepted it as his new career path.

Yeah, I suppose you're right; the only exceptions being Hank and Marie and the kids. The kids, eh, everyone lies to their kids. But unless something happens to Hank, Walt's got to keep up appearances.

 

I also agree Walt's ego is going to be his undoing - would Gus Fring have gone out on the raid like this? Probably not.

[GTA-King]

I think Junior could be the one who gets Hank to figure it all out. Junior's really frustrated by the problems with his parents. If he spoke to Uncle Hank maybe he'd end up confiding to him about the day he visited his father and found him covered in cuts and bruises, weeping that he was sorry. If Junior added the part about his dad accidentally calling him 'Jesse' then it could all fall into place. Jesse and the RV were Hank's main leads in the sale of blue meth. Hank has needed to stay away from Jesse to avoid police brutality charges but Hank never did find out how Jesse got his cell phone number and his wife's name. And even though Hank went looking for Jesse as a possible source of information on Walt's disappearance in 'Grilled' he never made the link that Walt and Jesse were missing at the same time. If Junior can get Hank to realize that there is a significant connection between Walt and Jesse, one that has existed far beyond Walt's claim that Jesse used to sell him weed, then it might be enough to get Hank questioning all the other factors pointing to Walt being Heisenberg. I'm expecting a 'Usual Suspects' moment.

 

My fear is that when Hank does find out that Walt is Heisenberg, he'll cover it up. I'm hoping Hank will do the right thing, but that'll come at such a high cost. Hank will lose his credibility and reputation in the DEA, he'll be in serious debt from the medical bills Walt paid for, he'd have to arrest his wife's sister for money laundering, he'd have to expose Junior to the truth about his parents. I wonder if instead - Hank will confront Walt in private, have his suspicions confirmed and then tell Walt to get out of town and live under a false identity for the rest of his life. Hank covering up Marie's stealing all these years (Marie's stealing has always felt a little pointless) could be an elaborate foreshadowing that Hank will always cover for his family. Hank is prepared to sacrifice his own reputation to do the right thing (as he did when he confessed to attacking Jesse) but I don't think Hank can sacrifice his family's well being.

 

Edited August 14, 2012 by GTA-King

[Johnny Playert]

Church, GTA-King. This is exactly my train of thought.

 

If you really pay attention to Hank's mannerisms around Walt, or whenever Walt's brought up in conversation, you can see. The seed in his mind about Walt possibly being involved in crystal meth, is planted my friend. He just doesn't show it. How this will unfold... we'll have to see. Me, personally, i think it's 50/50. He could relentlessly try to catch him, or put everything on the line to help him out. He is in charge of ABQ DEA afterall...

Edited August 14, 2012 by Johnny Playert

[GTA-King]

I also think Hank collecting minerals has to mean something as well. You can tell how interested Walt was with the chemistry behind them. Maybe Hank was testing Walt's train of thought, and he will connect the dots. Or collecting minerals was just a hobby Hank picked up while in recovery. Everything means something in this show. Hank may secretly have Walt labeled as Heisenberg, but he doesn't have enough evidence yet. Or he could be totally oblivious (which is more likely, in my opinion). Hank sees Walt as an honest, nice man... that's how he's always seen him. It's hard to see somebody in a different light if you've know them for a long time. However, I do believe Merkert, Hank's former boss, planted a seed in Hank's mind about him being good friends with Gus, and that he never knew he was a different person completely. It's possible Hank has a new state of mind because of that.

 

All I know is that when Hank finds out who Heisenberg is, it's going to make television history.

Edited August 14, 2012 by GTA-King

[Freezer89]

Damn, damn, damn.. holy f*cking sh*t. I just saw the episode. Like all other episodes in this season it was thrilling, especially after the train was about to drive away. I thought it would ended where they cheered about their success. But of course there was this f*cking kid from the opening.

And even then I thought it would ended where Todd waves back.. because there was a silence after the waving. But no, he suddenly grabs the gun and shoot him and then f*cking credits.

 

I swear, this show is beyond a masterpiece.

 

Oh by the way, it's my first post here.. I think. I just read the few last pages, interesting thoughts from you guys.

[GTA-King]

I think Walt can feel very threatened when Jesse displays competence.

 

Think back to the scene in "Mas" where Jesse shows Walt the results of his first solo cook. We learned later that Gus tested the batch of meth and it was just as good as previous batches, but Walt gets very angry with Jesse and tells him it is garbage and that he should be embarrassed. Walt can't handle that Jesse could be seen as his equal, or could possibly replace him.

 

Right now Walt controls Jesse. But as soon as he feels like he can no longer influence Jesse, I think he will perceive him as a potential rival who needs to be eliminated. Walt has to know that Mike and Jesse could take over the business and run it without him - after "Salud," Mike is fully aware that Jesse can run a lab by himself, and he trusts Jesse. Plus Jesse does not have a terminal disease, so even though he's not a full blown chemist, he's a better long term investment.

 

I think the major thing preventing Mike from suggesting they cut Walt out of the picture is that he really only wants to stay in the business to keep the hazard payments going, and doesn't want to build an empire like Walt.

 

EDIT: Also, I have to wonder, as Jesse hits the deck just moments before the freighter slides inches from his head, what Jesse makes of this situation. Once again, Walt places Jesse’s life in danger for his gain. How long before Jesse realizes he’s a pawn in Walt’s game?

 

Edited August 14, 2012 by GTA-King

[EscoLehGo]

I actually expected Jesse to be pissed once he got up from the tracks since Walt nearly caused him to die over a few more gallons of the chemical but I guess he didn't have time to think about it and just got swept up in the moment of celebrating that they actually pulled it off. Jesse is far less retarded than he was in the early seasons, he seems to have matured and gained a lot of wisdom through his meth adventures so I think he'll start figuring out how shady Walt is maybe sooner than we think.

[Icarus]

At first, when Jesse gets off the tracks when the train leaves, he looks a bit pissed and I expected him to freak out at Walt, so I was a little shocked when he was so happy. I would have been furious to have to wait under a moving train just to collect a few more gallons of methylamine.

[DeeperRed]

At first, when Jesse gets off the tracks when the train leaves, he looks a bit pissed and I expected him to freak out at Walt, so I was a little shocked when he was so happy. I would have been furious to have to wait under a moving train just to collect a few more gallons of methylamine.

I was expecting the same thing, though I was happy just to see them all happy. cut short though, cut short hard.

[GTA-King]

The next episode is entitled "Buyout" and Mike is making noises about leaving in the preview. I wonder if they buy Mike out, since the series has a habit of literal titles, or if for some reason, Mike can't get out. I imagine Mike's reason is killing the kid has brought down too much heat, or he's just personally disgusted by it. If so, he has a lot of gall.

 

My faith in Mike's omniscience was shattered by his mistake in blaming Lydia for the GPS, even though he had me completely convinced with his reasoning. It seems his objectivity might have been impaired by the fact that Lydia took out a hit on him. However, if he's mad about the kid getting a bullet and there was anything in Todd's past that would indicate he's a total psycho, vetting these Vamonos guys was supposedly his job, so if Todd is a psycho, it's his own fault.

 

Anyway, does Mike manage to extricate himself?

 

That could be what destabilizes the situation. So far, we have had Walt and Mike at loggerheads, with Jesse mediating between the two. If it's just Walt, Jesse and psycho Todd, who Jesse probably now hates with a passion, while Walt probably thinks he's a good "Victor" to him, the situation rapidly becomes unstable. Walt is great at one on one manipulation, but I can't imagine he's worth a damn as a mediator.

 

 

I've grown a liking to these Breaking Bad memes...

 

 

Edited August 15, 2012 by GTA-King

[Leve-O]

[GTA-King]

About that scene with Walt and Lydia in that abandoned building, I think he is putting her words in his back pocket for safe keeping, much like he did with hiding the ricin. Mike is a problem for Walt. Walt is simply biding his time with Mike because Mike is valuable to him for the time being. But as soon as Walt doesn't need Mike anymore he is going to want to get rid of Mike. Having to pay off Mike's men is tapping into his profit margin. With Mike gone, the 9 men being paid off don't need to be paid off anymore. None of them know Walt, they only know Mike.

 

With all this said, Walt sees Lydia as a means to kill Mike. If she was willing to put a hit on Mike once she will do it again. So she is a potential asset. If this does happened, than Mike not taking a full measure (like he always has) by not killing Lydia in the first place will be his downfall.

[Icarus]

For those of you, like me, who grew up watching Malcolm in the Middle, you'll probably appreciate this.

 

 

[EDIT] Also, a little sad we haven't seen Saul in the last few episodes. I miss my favourite criminal lawyer.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Icarus

[A J]

Lol, amazing how different Hal is to Walt huh?

 

Last episode really pissed me off, it was good, but I was literally yelling at Walter to listen to Mike, and get them off the train, and then the ending which I kind of ruined for myself by checking here, and seeing Todd being mentioned, and thinking who the f*ck is Todd and what's the significance....I thought he was going to die on the train....then pops up the little kid from the start, FFS what a psychopathic idiot. Hope Mike beats the sh*t out of him.

[Typhus]

I was on IMDB and I've read some cool speculation. One idea is that the guys are going to frame the tarantula for shooting the kid, make it look like a murder-suicide pact.

Do you think that's feasible?

[Narcis_speed6]

Some signatures based on the image posted on the other page.

 

 

 

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Edited August 15, 2012 by Narcis_speed6

[GTA-King]

^

 

Amazing! Nice job Narcist, and thanks for sharing! Added one of them to the first page. +Respect

 

@Typhus: Anything is possible on this show... except that.

 

@Icarus: The difference between Hal and Walt is crazy scary!

 

 

And I hope Saul returns soon as well, Icarus. I keep wondering if he is ever going to tell Jesse about the ricin cigarette. Saul told Walt he's done, but Walt said "We're done when I say you're done." Saul is scared. If Skyler truly wants Walt dead, she will remember that the person who gave him that watch once put a gun to Walt''s head. Remember how Jesse made it a point to tell Walt the receipt was still in the box? I'm guessing Skyler will try to figure out exactly who put a gun to Walt's head, so she will look inside the box and see Jesse Pinkman's name on the receipt. Skyler know's who Jesse is, so she will try and get Saul to tell her what went down between him and Walt. Saul will tell her all about Walt poisoning a kid to get Jesse back on his side. Saul will also tell her that he wants out... so Skyler will suggest to Saul that he should tell Jesse all about the poisoning. This will make Walt's closest ally turn against him... and most likely try and kill him... what Skyler wants.

 

The watch will be Walt's downfall.

 

/just a theory.

Edited August 16, 2012 by GTA-King

[Johnny Playert]

We can't forget just how vulnerable Walt is at the end of the day. If someone decided he's had enough of Walt (i.e. Mike) all he has to do is blow the lid on Walter by contacting Hank. I mean, everyone knows about them being brothers-in-law, and what a huge scandal that is... if that got out... wow.

 

So 'getting rid' of Mike is not really an option, you can't just take it for granted that nobody on the hazard payroll knows about Walt, that's crazy. At least Danny (the laundry manager) knows about him.

So keep in mind, Mike has somewhat of an insurance there, an exit-strategy if you will.

 

EDIT: Sorry GTA-King, missed your post there.

Good thinking, except one thing. His name won't be on the receipt, surely he paid cash don't you think?

Edited August 15, 2012 by Johnny Playert

[GTA-King]

Yeah that's true, I actually thought about that after I posted. Isn't there other ways your name can end up on a receipt though... like lay-away? I don't know... I just think it's a bit strange that Jesse makes it a point to tell him the receipt is in there. You can understand, with this show, how the littlest things will eventually come up again.

Edited August 15, 2012 by GTA-King

[Johnny Playert]

Yeah that's true, you really have to make sure you pay attention to everything. But i dunno... i like to think Walt discarded the receipt when he got it, but you never know...

It's actually a good theory. I could totally see it happen.

 

BTW, who else feels it's a bit 'strange' we haven't seen Saul for a little while now? I'm not implying anything, it's just a bit out of the ordinary.

[GTA-King]

Yeah, he hasn't showed up since "Hazard Pay." I'm sure he had something to do with Kuby helping out on the train heist though.

 

 

Speaking of Kuby, have you guys ever seen Bill Burr's stand-up? Pretty funny guy!

 

 

[Johnny Playert]

Oh bro, have you ever seen Lavell Crawford (Huell)?

He is MAD funny.

 

 

 

Great to see guys like these comedians on Breaking Bad

"...was a act o' God. Ain't no accountin' for no act o' God!" Loved that man!

Edited August 15, 2012 by Johnny Playert

[GTA-King]

 

Saul's henchmen is all comedians in real life... including Saul (Bob Odenkirk) himself!

 

 

[Johnny Playert]

^ Yeah that's funny as hell! Bob Odenkirk was a writer for SNL from 1987-1995. And a bunch of other comedy projects. I was impressed by that. Also gives him extra credit for his 'comic relief' on the show (which never disappoints )

[GTA-King]

Agreed. Saul definitely balances out the show with his comic relief. I knew Bob Odenkirk was once a writer for SNL... pretty cool. He was also one of the extras in the movie The Cable Guy.

 

Some people say "Dead Freight" should have ended like this:

 

 

 

Not me.

[Johnny Playert]

Hahaha pretty funny man

 

But what if that was the original ending though