Tryst Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 2 wrongs do not make a right, no amount of bullying will ever make it okay to murder in 'self defence'. Kid should go to jail. Art Dela Me-+-Ze Music Le Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Bully, Bully, Well said. All murdering kids should be executed for murder. 20 years or so, In Connecticut a kid killed a 'burglar' with his fathers handgun. For a day or two there was a discussion about it in the news. Then, Nothing. Not a word. We never did find out what the Family Court decided or even if it went to court. We do know that the Father wasn't charged with allowing his weapon to get into the kids hands. Which by law should have been locked out of his reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loch Dawg Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 You can't go around punching people in the back of head and not except to get away with it, I'm down with this ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomansMoobs Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Well that's f*cking fantastic. Let me tell a story.. May of last year, I got asked out on a date by a 14 year old girl, I said no because I was 17 at the time, and I don't go more than 2 years younger than me, cause then it starts to get weird. So she tells her friend that I was talking sh*t on the kid, we had been good friends before that, but then he believes it, gets like 3 other kids, and blatantly planned out on Facebook, their plan to jump me after school. So they do, I got kicked in the face like 7 or 8 times, I swung once against 4 f*cking kids caue that's all I had time for before they tackled me, and I got slapped with a Disorderly Conduct charge, and 24 hours of community service. The f*ck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Fozborne Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I really hope this doesn't start a trend like the bully victim suicides of 2 years ago. Many people don't realize what it comes down to. These victims see no improvement day in and day out and the 'light at the end of the tunnel' gets dimmer and dimmer until something has to change. So just like that, they change it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Should of stabbed the little sh*t head earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNRATED69 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'm not sure where to go with this. I don't believe he should have gone to jail, because it was in self-defense, but I don't think he should have just gotten off. There are better ways to deal with a problem like this. He could have complained to the school, which I would hope would have solved the problem. He brought the knife for a reason, and that should count for something. Also, I don't really think the bully deserved it. Sure, he was being a dick, and shouldn't have gotten away with it from the beginning, but I hardly think that's a reason for him to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coin-god Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 2 wrongs do not make a right, no amount of bullying will ever make it okay to murder in 'self defence'.Kid should go to jail. 14 years old kids can go to jail in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcquiz Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Well that's f*cking fantastic.Let me tell a story.. May of last year, I got asked out on a date by a 14 year old girl, I said no because I was 17 at the time, and I don't go more than 2 years younger than me, cause then it starts to get weird. So she tells her friend that I was talking sh*t on the kid, we had been good friends before that, but then he believes it, gets like 3 other kids, and blatantly planned out on Facebook, their plan to jump me after school. So they do, I got kicked in the face like 7 or 8 times, I swung once against 4 f*cking kids caue that's all I had time for before they tackled me, and I got slapped with a Disorderly Conduct charge, and 24 hours of community service. The f*ck? Life's a bitch man. Backt to the bullying topic when I was bullied every time I did something back it was me who got caught every singe time. Good that one of those bastards turned into quite a cool dude in next 4 years but other two are still retarded as f*ck and since I went off to high school I avoid all contact. It sucks that my town is so small. Oh and I think that he still should've gotten a punishment. Community Service or something like that or probation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryst Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 2 wrongs do not make a right, no amount of bullying will ever make it okay to murder in 'self defence'.Kid should go to jail. 14 years old kids can go to jail in the US? Depending on the severity of the crime, juvenile detention which depending on which one you get sent to can rank from a forced an essentially supervised frat house to a strait up detention block type center for kids under 18. Depending on a number of factors; including age of incident, judge, how they act in juvie, and severity of crime the sentence can be moved onto full prison once they turn 18. I don't know the exact process, they might get a second trial once 18. There are certain cases when kids were 16-17 where they were tried as adults and went straight to real adult jail. Art Dela Me-+-Ze Music Le Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGModder Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 And internet forums everywhere celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coin-god Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Well that's f*cking fantastic.Let me tell a story.. May of last year, I got asked out on a date by a 14 year old girl, I said no because I was 17 at the time, and I don't go more than 2 years younger than me, cause then it starts to get weird. So she tells her friend that I was talking sh*t on the kid, we had been good friends before that, but then he believes it, gets like 3 other kids, and blatantly planned out on Facebook, their plan to jump me after school. So they do, I got kicked in the face like 7 or 8 times, I swung once against 4 f*cking kids caue that's all I had time for before they tackled me, and I got slapped with a Disorderly Conduct charge, and 24 hours of community service. The f*ck? Life's a bitch man. Backt to the bullying topic when I was bullied every time I did something back it was me who got caught every singe time. Good that one of those bastards turned into quite a cool dude in next 4 years but other two are still retarded as f*ck and since I went off to high school I avoid all contact. It sucks that my town is so small. Oh and I think that he still should've gotten a punishment. Community Service or something like that or probation. To be honest, all the kids that used to bully me in school (well... the ones that didn't end up being my friends... lol) are now a failure at life. Some barely could finish school and the ones that did have no idea of what the f*ck they will do. I'm in my second year of University. I used to be called "retard" among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law0070 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 remembers me of that one kid who fought back the bully and became a phenomenon, don't remember his name, but it was awesome (and the bully didn't get killed, just harmed and made an idiot of himself) in this case, nah, that's overreacting...of course ignoring it wasn't an option anymore but KILLING?! no way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mister Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 My train of thought: WTF THIS IS INJUSTICE OK this might be justified. -reads 12 stabs- f*ck THAT that is not self defense, that is intended harm. I think 5-10 years is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Trooper. Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 12 stabs? If he didn't want to fight then he should have just stabbed him once, or enough to immobilise him. Clearly the boy has anger issues. Of course it isn't all his fault. I'm crossed in the middle on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 12 stabs? If he didn't want to fight then he should have just stabbed him once, or enough to immobilise him. I keep explaining this and you all keep ignoring it: he was not consciously thinking "I'm going to stab him twelve times." He wasn't consciously thinking anything, he was fighting to survive. It's a basic biological response of any animal that is backed into a corner. The only reason you suggest "only stabbing him once" is because you know absolutely nothing of the fight or flight response and have never been in a survival situation yourself. I haven't either, but the difference between you and me is that I was willing to put research into it before passing judgment. His actions were completely justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr quick Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Has anyone ever heard of adrenaline? or ever been in similar circumstances? some 3 years ago in school there was a guy in my class who happened to be a brown belt in karate, so I dared not do anything with him, even though he always teasing me. One day he was telling lies about me to some classmates and I asked him to stop. He then hit me in the face, and without even thinking I grabbed his head and slammed it against a table leaving hm unconscious for a short period of time. I didn't think, I just did it. You have to have experienced something like this to understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) You have no grounds to complain if you instigate violence. Once you open that door, you've got to collect your prize, whether it be a pliant victim or 12 bloody stabs to the chest. Bullying is one thing, and assault is another. The culture of school yard fights is romanticized, but all too often it comes down to one prick beating the sh*t out of a smaller or less violent kid. Perhaps bullies wont be so quick to attack after this. Regardless, a good kid shouldn't be sent to jail for defending himself. That'd be a real tragedy. EDIT - this is not to say that I condone what this kid did. You don't have to kill your problems to overcome them. Edited January 5, 2012 by Otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) 12 stabs? If he didn't want to fight then he should have just stabbed him once, or enough to immobilise him. I keep explaining this and you all keep ignoring it: he was not consciously thinking "I'm going to stab him twelve times." He wasn't consciously thinking anything, he was fighting to survive. It's a basic biological response of any animal that is backed into a corner. The only reason you suggest "only stabbing him once" is because you know absolutely nothing of the fight or flight response and have never been in a survival situation yourself. I haven't either, but the difference between you and me is that I was willing to put research into it before passing judgment. His actions were completely justified. You seem to be confusing self defense with an enraged attack of revenge towards all the times he was "bullied". He wasn't fighting to survive, he got punched, he brought a knife with him, probably with the idea that he'd use it (in fact he showed it to two teens in the bus) at the first possible opportunity. Seems like it wasn't the first time he got assaulted or harassed, else he wouldn't have brought a knife. Why didn't he go to the authorities? Edited January 5, 2012 by Fireman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I haven't really had a major problem with bullying since elementary school. Now I fix computers for drug dealers when I'm not roofing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 You seem to be confusing self defense with an enraged attack of revenge towards all the times he was "bullied". He wasn't fighting to survive, he got punched, he brought a knife with him, probably with the idea that he'd use it (in fact he showed it to two teens in the bus) at the first possible opportunity. Seems like it wasn't the first time he got assaulted or harassed, else he wouldn't have brought a knife. Why didn't he go to the authorities? He attempted to avoid the confrontation, he was pursued, attacked, and surrounded. He was defending himself and used lethal force to do it, which is justifiable by Florida state law. If it had been an enraged attack, it would have been unprovoked; he would have pursued the bully himself, and he wouldn't have tried to escape the confrontation multiple times. Explain to me how you truly believe this to be an aggressive attack when he didn't even want to fight in the first place. f*cking explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The whole "why didn't he go to the authorities" line of questioning is bullsh*t. We don't know if he did or not - but in any case, a socially awkward kid doesn't win over any hardened hearts in the principal's office. We can't rely on the authorities to fight our battles for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryst Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 12 stabs? If he didn't want to fight then he should have just stabbed him once, or enough to immobilise him. I keep explaining this and you all keep ignoring it: he was not consciously thinking "I'm going to stab him twelve times." He wasn't consciously thinking anything, he was fighting to survive. It's a basic biological response of any animal that is backed into a corner. The only reason you suggest "only stabbing him once" is because you know absolutely nothing of the fight or flight response and have never been in a survival situation yourself. I haven't either, but the difference between you and me is that I was willing to put research into it before passing judgment. His actions were completely justified. It is not justified at all, you call it heat of the moment. But that excuse has been used by plenty of domestic abusers too, guess they were justified too. Hell one could argue that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were heat of the moment rational. It don't care if the kid was bullied or not, he did a crime so he should be punished for said crime. Art Dela Me-+-Ze Music Le Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) But that excuse has been used by plenty of domestic abusers too, guess they were justified too. Domestic abuse is an unprovoked attack. This was self-defense. Jesus, are you so thick that you can't discern between the two? Edit: also, what Otter said. It don't care if the kid was bullied or not, he did a crime so he should be punished for said crime. According to Florida state law, lethal force is justified in self-defense situations. It was not a crime. Edited January 5, 2012 by Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 But that excuse has been used by plenty of domestic abusers too, guess they were justified too. No, no. This is more like a beaten wife retaliating with deadly force. Which is A-OK in my book, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_Leppard Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Why didn't he go to the authorities? Because they don't do sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryst Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Most 'domestic abuse' cases are provoked by something pat. And quite often it puts the one getting attacked into a fit of as you guys like to put it adrenenelin. There is no excuse for murder (are you too thick to understand that? now quit with the insults when people don't agree with your viewpoint), there are literally a billion different ways (I counted) to handle bullying and not murdering some one in 'self defense' so why couldn't this guy off you know called a friend, maybe get on a different bus. sh*t, run even. No this kid did not do any of that, he fought back with a knife and stabbed the other kid. If you can't see the wrong in that you have some ethics issues going on. People who say they can't rely on authority to help sound like people who haven't actually tried (no one likes a rat mentality) or have done something wrong themselves. (I can't call the cops because I'm holding a pound of coke!) Sure florida law might agree with you, but I do not. Art Dela Me-+-Ze Music Le Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 There is no excuse for murder Self. Defense. Is not. Murder. I have never, in my entire life, heard a more ridiculous notion than the idea that self defense is murder. You have absolutely lost all credibility, and after I am finished dissecting the rest of your post I will not respond to you any further. so why couldn't this guy off you know called a friend, maybe get on a different bus. sh*t, run even. Thank you for proving your lack of reading comprehension. He got off the bus two stops early, he was pursued by the bully, he was surrounded by accomplices of the bully, and when he tried to leave they would not let him. That, right there, is why the judge ruled it to be self-defense and therefore admissible. Read the f*cking article, please. Sure florida law might agree with you, but I do not. Whether you agree is irrelevant. The case occurred in Florida, therefore there was no violation of the law, and thus a crime was not committed. This is not my opinion, this is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Have you ever reported a crime, Tryst? How'd that work out for you? Was the crime undone? Did everyone leap to their feet to help? Now imagine being an awkward kid telling the principal that some kid is picking on you. You know what the principal will do? He'll tell you to suck it up. Bullies succeed because they get in just enough trouble to know how to avoid serious trouble. That's their M.O. And we still live in a world where punching someone else is actually tolerated - and celebrated. When those codes of conduct come into conflict with civilization? This sh*t happens. An asshole winds up dead and people are, for some reason, shocked. Your "domestic abuse" argument is bullsh*t, on two counts. One, like I mentioned earlier: you're failing to recognize that this was defense and retaliation. And secondly, the "heat of the moment" excuse applies only to the excessive amount of stabbing. Not that the stabbing took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryst Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes I have call the cops on a few ocasions otter, and guess what they did come in a reasonable amount of time! And they even prevented the crime from continuing. Strange isn't it. Bullies succeed because of half assed logic that you can't rely on people because one failed you in the past. Pat, would you prefer the term voluntary manslaughter? Because it was a choice he made. Murder: Verb 1: to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice 2: to slaughter wantonly : slay See that second one there, thats important with. Self defence does not have to include killing the other party, it involved defending your self. He was being followed by this bully and a bunch of kids sure, but hey did he stop and say hey Mr. Bus driver these kids are gonna beat me up boy golly it would sure be nice if you didn't let that happen! Hell, there's a whole bus of people, two even, that he could of said something to. Or he could of continued being the shy quiet kid who was holding a knife getting ready to justify murdering(*see definition 2) another human being. Once again there are always plenty of ways you can go about to stop this violence with out killing or involving your self in a fight. Art Dela Me-+-Ze Music Le Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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