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AndyGanteks

GTAF Gang League 2012

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Booze

 

We would've liked to see the scores of home and away rounds added up. This to prevent draws

 

Different modes, different scoring systems would really make this difficult unless of course the same game mode was used in both games, how about a deciding third game?

I assumed that the Home and Away rounds are to be played on the same game mode. As you can see Andy, the way it's formulated now creates confusion.

 

AJ, who would decide the settings of the deciding third game? We could standardize the settings, but that could give one of the gangs an advantage (if those settings happen to be similar to their own preferred settings).

If screencaptures/pictures have to be taken anyway, it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to add up scores, right?

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I see how you've split those rules into a couple categories Booze. It looks alright, though i don't think it's that necessary to do that. I'm pretty sure all the gangs are aware of all rules, and if they're not of some, they can always ask, and find it in the first post no matter how it looks, as long as they can read. tounge.gif But if you think it's such a big deal, i will add it in the next update, i personally think it's not really that crucial.

Same with the Cup post.

I'll modify the Cup post when the competition nears it's start in October.

As for moving the awards bottom of the post, i can do that as well, though it's merely a cosmetic change. It doesn't really matter what stands where in the first post, as long as it is all there.

 

 

I assume there's a Home and an Away round for each match? It doesn't say so anywhere in the first post (except in the "settings").

 

No.

If the calendar says Angels of Death MC-The Firm (IV), that means it's the home match of the angels, on IV, 2 rounds angels rules.

If the calendar says The Firm-Angels of Death MC(IV), that means The Firm is the home team, on IV, with 2 rounds of firm's rules.

Simple.

 

 

What about the game modes? Are they all to be played, or can the gangs choose?

 

You've been in GL since 2009, you should know this... tounge.gif home game - 2 rounds - home gang pick what modes they want to do.

 

And finally, i didn't simplify anything. I just added 2 rules that were clear, and didn't the other 2 that were very confusing. One of your suggestions said, ''if both gangs gave an equal number of date suggestions, on time and everything, but match still didn't happen, gang 1 wins''.

???

How is that even possible and fair?

I don't think we'll have any big scheduling problems though. But i'll see what i can do if such a situation occurs. I don't think it will though. There's plenty of time to find a suiting date for at least 2v2 over the course of 3 weeks.

 

 

 

Aj and Monk, in GL 2009 3v3 was the GL minimum, but i lowered it to 2v2 mid GL 2010, because lots of gangs were inactive, and new gangs often could only afford 2 players. Same with GL 2011.

I will definitely add that rule back, but once the gang section sees much more activity and players. Right now in such inactivity and other things, lots of the new gangs might not be able to always produce 3 players during such a tight calendar.

If the gang section stars bursting with activity during this year, like it was in 2008 and 2009, i will instantly add this rule back icon14.gif , but until then, it won't be fair, because only 2 or 3 gangs could afford big numbers at this present moment.

 

 

 

Finally, there won't be a 3rd deciding game. There is a point in having 2 rounds, so that if each is won by a gang, it ends in a draw. 1v1 DM Cup 2012 uses the same structure, so i don't see how ''draws are for pussies''. Draws are good if they happen, and they exist in many sports for a reason, so that's staying as it is.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, will be officially starting match playing later tonight.

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A J

No.

If the calendar says Angels of Death MC-The Firm (IV), that means it's the home match of the angels, on IV, 2 rounds angels rules.

If the calendar says The Firm-Angels of Death MC(IV), that means The Firm is the home team, on IV, with 2 rounds of firm's rules.

Simple.

 

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Aj and Monk, in GL 2009 3v3 was the GL minimum, but i lowered it to 2v2 mid GL 2010, because lots of gangs were inactive, and new gangs often could only afford 2 players. Same with GL 2011.

I will definitely add that rule back, but once the gang section sees much more activity and players. Right now in such inactivity and other things, lots of the new gangs might not be able to always produce 3 players during such a tight calendar.

If the gang section stars bursting with activity during this year, like it was in 2008 and 2009, i will instantly add this rule back icon14.gif , but until then, it won't be fair, because only 2 or 3 gangs could afford big numbers at this present moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats good, like football. I wasn't clear on the whole calendar and away and home games til now, but its clear now icon14.gif

 

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Makes sense about the 2 vs 2 ruling, but still it seems a lame rule. More gangs should be actively recruiting for events like this!

 

Its ridiculous the d12 monopoly of ps3 players won't be involved due to "lack of interest" sarcasm.gifyawn.gif

 

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As the Damned MC are scheduled to play Cappadonna first, I'd like to suggest a few dates right now, next Saturday 11th February 21.00 GMT / Sunday 12th 21.00 GMT ?

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Doc Rikowski

 

Its ridiculous the d12 monopoly of ps3 players won't be involved due to "lack of interest"  sarcasm.gif  yawn.gif

Call it "freedom of choice" if you prefer... moto_whistle.gif

 

I explained it before: we are not interested in chasing a match for 8 months like in GL 2011.

The rules changed, ok, but will they work?

 

On which grounds and who will decide if a gang didn't do enough to schedule a match awarding a 2-0 to the willing to play" gang?

And what happens when the "didn't do enough" gang finally plays a match with a third gang and wins?

Couldn't the losing third gang contest the fact that some gangs had a unclear forfeit win with the same opponent?

All of the above could be solved with a strict calendar.

Saying it's impossible or unfair to have a strict calendar is bs.

It's been done by me on these boards in 7 DTW tournaments, 1 TDM tournament and in over a 1.000 races on the Race LB and it always worked quite well.

A two, max 3 days window for matches to be played is absolutely possible.

 

Also we are not interested in playing 2 vs 2 "gang" battles.

 

Last year we had to do what we had to do in order to play all possible matches and we've seen how it went.

 

In 2009 we ended in 3rd place without actually playing a single match (!!!!!!).*

*We didn't participate but our name and points were used to be awarded in ghost matches against ghost gangs.

 

In 2008 we ended in 6th place, we played 5 gangs and lost only with TEC then we pulled out cause it was obvious that the rules would have prevented us from playing (and gaining points) with XBOX and PC gangs.

 

If our lack of interest seems ridiculous to you then consider reading each single post in past GL topics.

You might understand from where our lack of interest comes from. wink.gif

 

Anyway we're available to play any gang battle outside the GL, so any gang just let us know if they're interested. icon14.gif

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AndyGanteks

 

It's been done by me on these boards in 7 DTW tournaments, 1 TDM tournament and in over a 1.000 races on the Race LB and it always worked quite well.

 

Those events are different then the Gang League event.

 

Anyway, you said you don't want to join GL 2012 and left, so that's enough for me.

I don't need any explanation, you signed out, and that's it, now please leave and let the gangs taking part do GL 2012. No more spamming of this topic with explanations why someone left.

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Doc Rikowski
It's been done by me on these boards in 7 DTW tournaments, 1 TDM tournament and in over a 1.000 races on the Race LB and it always worked quite well.

 

Those events are different then the Gang League event.

 

Anyway, you said you don't want to join GL 2012 and left, so that's enough for me.

I don't need any explanation, you signed out, and that's it, now please leave and let the gangs taking part do GL 2012. No more spamming of this topic with explanations why someone left.

People mention us in the topic so I reply and I reply on topic.

 

An event is an event. There is no difference. The only difference is on how they are organized. Some well, some messy.

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Doc,

 

It's 100% understandable. I wasn't around for all those previous years, but I've seen what a complete mess, it's been and have been working together with Andy and Booze through discussion in order to change the problems that have bugged it in the past. Biased rules, scheduling bullsh*t, delays etc... I was hoping they would be a thing of the past, and it is 100% heading in that direction.

I still think it's ridiculous that the best, main gang on here, isn't going to take part or show any support. Maybe it is because of the past and until now , the host has been stubborn, but with your input and advice the rules could be adapted to suit....

I'm sure every gang on here, would rather a 3 day window for every game, than chasing after gangs! (the whole forfeit system could be stricter too, failure to attend- removed)

We'd all prefer more than 2 vs 2, which you got from the Damned, from The Yardies (first time), and could get from the newer ps3 gangs too.

 

Give the GL one last chance, perhaps decide if you want to rejoin later in the year, if the problems (we all don't like, not just d12) have been sorted that is ?

 

EDIT

 

Sorry Andy, it's not spam, it's GL discussion, whilst you might not be bothered the D12 gang won't take part, I still think it's stupid. To which doc had every right to reply to smile.gif

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Doc Rikowski

It's Andy's topic and he runs the event as he wants.

It's not about being stubborn. In the end of the day everyone runs his own event as he pleases.

That's the reason why I didn't post any suggestions.

I won't post them in his topic.

 

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AndyGanteks

And now, the official start of matches for GTAF GL 2012. May the best gang(s) win the league(s).

 

PS3 League

 

Fixture 1 | 3.2.2012 - 17.2.2012

The Damned MC - Capadonna Family (IV)

The Yardies - The Highway Reapers MC (EFLC)

SRS Incorporated free

 

360 League

 

Fixture 1 | 3.2.2012 - 21.2.2012

Angels of Death MC - The Firm (IV)

The Soviet Army - The Ivanov Family (EFLC)

 

PC Calendar

 

Fixture 1 | 3.2.2012 - 3.3.2012

SRS Incorporated - The Yardies (IV)

 

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So, you know the drill.

Contact the gangs you're playing via their topics or PM to arrange a date and time in the given fixture time. Post the scores of the match afterwards. Also make sure you're constantly posting in this topic, informing the league of the status of the match, is the other gang replying, what are the dates, when will the match take place etc(like ajbns did 5 posts above), as per the rules we've added and agreed to.

 

Core rules have now been sorted for GL 2012, and i'm sure it will work better then the past years.

I'll update the 1st post soon with those split rules as someone suggested above.

Any other minor thingies or rules that might be added to ensure ultimate fairness and safety of the event, we can talk, and add over the next few days while this is still starting. But i think we've sorted pretty much everything, and that it'll work smooth this year.

 

So yeah, lets get scheduling. Good luck everyone.

 

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Highway Reapers, for our PS3 match, except this Sunday 5th, Yardies are free all the other days and times, so tell us what time you want to play, and we'll come then. I'd suggest 11th or 12th Feburary, i think those are the best dates.

 

Same dates to SRS, vs Y in the PC League.

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Andy,

 

When you say our match is on EFLC which one are we referring to?

 

Also regarding the dates around the 11th - 12th sounds great! icon14.gif

 

Also what numbers are we talking?

As in # vs # ?

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Booze

 

It doesn't really matter what stands where in the first post, as long as it is all there.

That's the wrong attitude to have when designing/organizing anything and explains why the first posts are so messy and unclear.

 

 

I assume there's a Home and an Away round for each match? It doesn't say so anywhere in the first post (except in the "settings").

No.

If the calendar says Angels of Death MC-The Firm (IV), that means it's the home match of the angels, on IV, 2 rounds angels rules.

If the calendar says The Firm-Angels of Death MC(IV), that means The Firm is the home team, on IV, with 2 rounds of firm's rules.

Simple.

Yes, that is simple, but like I said, it isn't explained anywhere in the first post(s), so if people want to know this very crucial detail, they'll either have to sift through the whole topic or ask you directly.

 

 

What about the game modes? Are they all to be played, or can the gangs choose?
You've been in GL since 2009, you should know this... tounge.gif

Even though in the beginning, there were talks of all game modes having to be played, yes, I could've guessed that you would have decided to do it the old way. But the first post is not meant to be clear just for Andy and Booze. Anyone not familiar with the Gang League should be able to understand its workings by reading the first post(s).

 

 

And finally, i didn't simplify anything. I just added 2 rules that were clear, and didn't the other 2 that were very confusing.

A good set of rules should cover as many different scenarios as possible and should motivate people to play the game it should be played (and not use loopholes). In my/our opinion, those 2 rules you added don't cover enough scenarios.

 

 

One of your suggestions said, ''if both gangs gave an equal number of date suggestions, on time and everything, but match still didn't happen, gang 1 wins''.

???

How is that even possible and fair?

It's not. It's meant to motivate the gangs to actually play the game and not let this happen. And it's not "gang 1", it's "the gang that made the first suggestion", so it's the gang that's most pro-active about getting the match organized.

 

 

I don't think we'll have any big scheduling problems though. But i'll see what i can do if such a situation occurs.

That's right. If conflicts happen, you're going to have to step in as "referee". I'm not convinced of your willingness and/or ability to do that, judging by past years. Let alone your impartiality.

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AndyGanteks

 

Andy,

 

When you say our match is on EFLC which one are we referring to?

 

Also regarding the dates around the 11th - 12th sounds great! icon14.gif

 

Also what numbers are we talking?

As in # vs # ?

@Highway Reapers MC

It's going to be Yardies home duel on EFLC. We'll pick either twice LaD or twice BoGT, so that we don't waste time going from one game to the other.

11th or 12th is fine for us as well. What times would you be free?

As for numbers, i'm not sure yet, how much of your guys can come to it?

 

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And Booze, about the refereeing thing, if such an issue comes up, i'll make a decision what the outcome will be.

If all the gangs taking part think i've made the wrong decision, they'll say it, and i'll revert to the other outcome then. But there won't be a need for such things, because i'll handle everything fair and proper according to the rules.

 

And the thing you called ''the gang that's most pro-active about getting the match organized.''

That would be the gang that would get a forfeit win obviously, and not the gang that was the first to make a suggestion. Yes i didn't cover all scenarios yet. I just need to find the right way to formulate that rule before i add it to the first post. The way you presented it originally is very confusing, maybe even unfair and unclear, and that's why i didn't add those yet. Plus, seeing that they are confusing, maybe certain gangs could indeed use those confusing rules to their advantage, and create a loophole as you've said. I don't think those scenarios will happen though, as i've said above, but if we are to add some rules for such scenarios, they must be clear.

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xHIGHWAY_REAPERx

We're thinking the 12th, and would 20:00 UTC be good for your guys?

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AndyGanteks

Sure, 20 UTC(UK) time seems good for us.

That'll be 21 my time, so i'll be there.

I'll be there an hour before or so though, just to make sure i'm right with the times. tounge.gif

So see you tomorrow THR MC guys!

 

I hope the other gangs are organizing their duels as well.

I'll do the 1st post update in a few days of those thing i've said i'll add a few posts ago.(the Rules split & some other similar minor thingies)

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Sure, 20 UTC(UK) time seems good for us.

That'll be 21 my time, so i'll be there.

I'll be there an hour before or so though, just to make sure i'm right with the times. tounge.gif

So see you tomorrow THR MC guys!

 

I hope the other gangs are organizing their duels as well.

I'll do the 1st post update in a few days of those thing i've said i'll add a few posts ago.(the Rules split & some other similar minor thingies)

same back man icon14.gif ... what would that be Eastern time? (USA)

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Alright, good to see the time is set. icon14.gif

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Good matches yo. Don't have pic from any of the rounds, since the counter went too fast. confused.gif

 

Y vs THR MC (BoGT) 1:1

 

Round 1 - 1700-2100

Round 2 - 1100-400

 

AndyGanteks & Grease for Y - Highway_Reaper & StonersDarkness for Highway Reapers MC.

 

Looking forward to our next GL duels. This is gonna be an interesting year it seems.

Hopefully the others are organizing their matches, remember the deadlines for fixture 1!

 

 

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Yeah, Good Matches! icon14.gif

 

The Counter didn't even seem to exist really, near immediately to the Next Game Lobby. confused.gif

 

 

Hopefully when we next battle we'll have more guys available.

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Booze

The AoD has decided not to sign up for the Gang League, so please take us off the table.

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aFinn

Pls remove SRS, thanks.

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A J

Please remove..... joking...tounge.gif

 

Nobody wants to compete!

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glenn tha killer

The Westies will be going the gang league. icon14.gif

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StonersDarkness

right? did the first round scare people? ph34r.gif

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xHIGHWAY_REAPERx

No offense to them, but I didn't even think SRS was even around anymore.

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A J

TDMC vs The Cappadona

 

Hasn't happened, their leader is busy or having issues, their other players have failed to give me a reply for any times or matches.

 

Not sure what to do next, I have one or two of them on my PSN friend list, I'll message them there again I guess. Hopefully will sort something out soon.

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@aj - Don't fret, i've extended the calendar. I hope you're able to get them to play you. tounge.gif

 

Below, GL 2012/GC 2012 Update. Mostly GL, with the tables & added the score from our first game Y vs THR MC.

 

PS3

user posted image

360

user posted image

 

Added the Westies instead of the other gang, so the 360 fixtures are these below. Welcome Westies, and good luck! icon14.gif

 

Fixture 1 | 3.2.2012 - 23.2.2012

The Westies - The Firm (IV)

The Soviet Army - The Ivanov Family (EFLC)

 

Fixture 2 | 23.2.2012 - 15.3.2012

The Westies - The Soviet Army (EFLC)

The Firm - The Ivanov Family (IV)

 

Fixture 3 | 16.3.2012 - 4.4.2012

The Ivanov Family - The Westies (IV)

The Soviet Army - The Firm (IV)

 

Fixture 4 | 22.4.2012 - 10.5.2012

The Westies - The Ivanov Family (IV)

The Firm - The Soviet Army (IV)

 

Fixture 5 | 11.5.2012 - 1.6.2012

The Soviet Army - The Westies (EFLC)

The Ivanov Family - The Firm (IV)

 

Fixture 6 | 19.6.2012 - 3.7.2012

The Firm - The Westies (IV)

The Ivanov Family - The Soviet Army (EFLC)

 

Fixture 7 | 4.7.2012 - 22.7.2012

The Westies - The Firm (EFLC)

The Soviet Army - The Ivanov Family (IV)

 

Fixture 8 | 23.7.2012 - 8.8.2012

The Westies - The Soviet Army (IV)

The Firm - The Ivanov Family (EFLC)

 

Fixture 9 | 9.8.2012 - 1.9.2012

The Ivanov Family - The Westies (EFLC)

The Soviet Army - The Firm (EFLC)

 

Fixture 10 | 19.9.2012 - 5.10.2012

The Westies - The Ivanov Family (EFLC)

The Firm - The Soviet Army (EFLC)

 

Fixture 11 | 25.11.2012 - 10.12.2012

The Soviet Army - The Westies (IV)

The Ivanov Family - The Firm (EFLC)

 

Fixture 12 | 11.12.2012 - 26.12.2012

The Firm - The Westies (EFLC)

The Ivanov Family - The Soviet Army (IV)

 

And reminding of PS3 calendar:

 

Fixture 1 | 3.2.2012 - 23.2.2012

The Damned MC - Capadonna Family (IV)

The Yardies - The Highway Reapers MC (EFLC) 1:1

 

Fixture 2 | 23.2.2012 - 15.3.2012

Capadonna Family - The Highway Reapers MC (EFLC)

The Damned MC - The Yardies (IV)

 

Fixture 3 | 16.3.2012 - 4.4.2012

The Yardies - Capadonna Family (IV)

The Highway Reapers MC - The Damned MC (EFLC)

 

Fixture 4 | 22.4.2012 - 10.5.2012

The Damned MC - The Highway Reapers MC (IV)

Capadonna Family - The Yardies (EFLC)

 

Fixture 5 | 11.5.2012 - 1.6.2012

The Yardies - The Damned MC (EFLC)

The Highway Reapers MC - Capadonna Family (IV)

 

Fixture 6 | 19.6.2012 - 3.7.2012

Capadonna Family - The Damned MC (IV)

The Highway Reapers MC - The Yardies (EFLC)

 

Fixture 7 | 4.7.2012 - 22.7.2012

The Highway Reapers MC - Capadonna Family (EFLC)

The Yardies - The Damned MC (IV)

 

Fixture 8 | 23.7.2012 - 8.8.2012

The Highway Reapers MC - The Damned MC (IV)

The Yardies - Capadonna Family (EFLC)

 

Fixture 9 | 9.8.2012 - 1.9.2012

The Highway Reapers MC - The Yardies (IV)

Capadonna Family -The Damned MC (EFLC)

 

Fixture 10 | 19.9.2012 - 1.10.2012

The Damned MC - The Yardies (EFLC)

Capadonna Family - The Highway Reapers MC (IV)

 

Fixture 11 | 25.10.2012 - 10.12.2012

The Damned MC - Capadonna Family (EFLC)

The Yardies - The Highway Reapers MC (IV)

 

Fixture 12 | 11.12.2012 - 26.12.2012

Capadonna Family - The Yardies (IV)

The Damned MC - The Highway Reapers MC (EFLC)

 

Also, while i do know why the other two gangs left, i am not sure exactly why the AoD MC quit when the league already fully started with gameplay. 99% of their suggestions were added, core rules were changed, etcetra. Booze T sure did waste a lot of time typing all those suggestions, if he knew he was gonna quit regardless of the acceptance of those suggestions, or if they looked for a needle in a haystack just to not take part. Or maybe that was the plan? Time will tell. Doesn't matter anyway, nope.

 

Back from unimportants to the important GL stuff now; tounge.gif

I added a few more days to complete the first fixture for both leagues, due to these recent ''things'' that happened, as you can see from the calendar dates(dates are the only thing that changed really.)

Few more updates are coming to the 1st posts in a day or two.

No more roster changes in or out though. If anyone wants to join, they will have the March, June or September ''period'' to do so.

 

Good luck with the matches everyone! May the best gang(s) win!

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glenn tha killer

Sorry to break it to you man, but the Ivanovs are gone. icon14.gif

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EL_FUGA

Andy, really good stuff and huge work put into this brother icon14.gif

 

A spanish saying comes to my mind - "the necklace is more expensive than the dog itself"

 

Pity that some gangs aren't willing to compete this time, but of course every decision has its reasons so it should be understandable.

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A J

 

Andy, really good stuff and huge work put into this brother  icon14.gif

 

A spanish saying comes to my mind - "the necklace is more expensive than the dog itself"

 

Pity that some gangs aren't willing to compete this time, but of course every decision has its reasons so it should be understandable.

Well said FUGA !

 

I'm disappointed by all the gangs leaving this event.

 

I'll make a gang event soon. It will be a triple threat event, all gangs invited. At least 3 gangs competing in the same game.

 

Any gang that refuses to join will be appearing on something like this.... (with or without reasons, I'm not as kind as other hosts)

 

 

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I'll make a gang event soon. It will be a triple threat event, all gangs invited. At least  3 gangs competing in the same game.

 

Any gang that refuses to join will be appearing on something like this.... (with or without reasons, I'm not as kind as other hosts)

 

 

 

Haha... Nice one. I had a message for people who made event rules like that before, it was something like this..... (I didn't care if it made them cry, I'm not as kind as other people)

 

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@ Andy: Did you get rid of the PC section of this league? Sorry if I missed it if you already said so.

 

Nevermind, just saw it on the first page.

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