Why isn't this enough evidence for LV?

[Forzum]

Would be freaking awesome if SF & LV will be in it, and there is a slim chance, since we haven't got a 100% confirmation of where it is set exactly "Los Santos and it's surrounding countryside" does not say exactly where it's set. They say what we saw in the trailer. I think we are in for a big surprise actually, it might not be SF & LV but something is coming, gut feeling I have.

 

Since next trailer should arrive in February, we have to wait until then.

[Jokesminus]

I have a good feeling for SF/LV or maybe something new.

 

But R* have to be carefull if they did just Los Santos it would truthfully annoy a lot of fans. Some not so much but no matter what way its looked at its still a remake of San Andreas those who are happy with just Los Santos have to live with the fact they will only get a remake of Los Santos only. Truthfully for me that would be a kick in the nuts its like heres a half done remake its only Los Santos be happy not good at all. Those that want all the citys will get a full remake of San Andreas either way we are getting a remake so live with it...

 

Something new is like saying here we remade Los Santos and decided to add something new which anything other then major citys in the US wouldnt go very well for the rest of the world. It has to be a international product that appeals to the whole world with places that people have heard and seen before on TV or in a picture. No one would really want a place thats like Los Santos they would rather something with a different feel and look. Otherwise it will be LA lookalike (Los Santos) then countryside hills then another city that looks like LA and feels like LA boring. Only San Andreas and its different cities and feels that only San Francisco and Las Vegas and Los Angeles had as that had different parts with different feels. Overall feeling of being lost in different parts of the US without going to far if you got sick of Los Santos you could go to San Fierro if you got sick of countryside you could go to the desert and so on. It aint gonna feel to good if its California with different areas like desert and woodland but with citys no one has heard before internationally that is. They mostly look and feel the same so would end up with all the citys feeling the same.

 

Now Dan Housers statement leaves a lot to think about either he needs to be carefull cause its just Los Santos and he knows that would upset a lot of fans. Or he has to be carefull as there is a lot more hidden away all R* has done so far is bring 50/50 words to there fans maybe there is just Los Santos or maybe there isnt. Its a bit annoying but oh well what can we do, we just have to remember R* are developers that love to play on emotions and laugh at its fans but love them really as they say KILLING DREAMS MURDERING HOPE FIGHTING THE RIGHTEOUS BULLYING THE WEAK.

 

Things to remember..

Heads to Los Santos.

In a RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

Its Los Santos and surrounding hills.

And a very big map.

 

All means some may be right some may be wrong but then it could switch around and mean the wrong are right and the right are wrong..

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

After reading most of these posts, I no longer wish to live on this planet...

 

Just another bit of over analyzing pulled from the debut trailer and now it's attracted even more genetic deficiencies that want nothing more than San Andreas 2 with polished graphics. Look at the press release... "Grand Theft Auto V heads to the city of Los Santos and surrounding hills, countryside and beaches in the largest and most ambitious game Rockstar has yet created."

 

Now let's narrow that down... "Los Santos and the surrounding hills, countryside and beaches."

 

To me, that's pretty self-explanatory and doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation.

After reading through your post I built a spaceship and went to another planet.

 

Pure example of someone missing out on what was officially announced and changing it into something that makes them sound right.

 

You also missed the part where R* said and officially announced IN A RE IMANGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

 

Its really not that self explanatory...

 

Just because R* announced its a RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA not true to life Southern California. Last time R* didnt announce any RE IMAGINED STATES they just called it San Andreas what is it now San Andreas as stated on license plates in the trailer. R*s RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA IS!!!

 

Yes you guessed it SAN ANDREAS....

 

RE IMAGINED PEOPLE NOT TRUE TO LIFE REPRESENTATION GET IT IN YOUR HEADS AND UNDERSTAND IT.....

Sounds about as explainatory as when R* said GTA IV would be a closer representation of NYC. I'm not ruling out the possibility of other cities, but if there are other cities they'll most likely be surrounding cities in Southern California.

 

However the safe bet is LS will be the only city with rural towns and other settlements making up this re-imagined Southerrn Callifornia and overhauled San Andreas.

Edited January 5, 2012 by Miamivicecity

[FelipeVinhao]

 

If it was only LS and surroundings, why would he have to be careful about what he says? He'd just say it.

Maybe it's related to game features, and not exactly location(s).

 

 

Just because R* announced its a RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA not true to life Southern California. Last time R* didnt announce any RE IMAGINED STATES they just called it San Andreas what is it now San Andreas as stated on license plates in the trailer. R*s RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA IS!!!

Well, if you insist in this "Re-imagined Southern California" that you can add anything, we'll probably have a subway line linking to Mars, to a secret out of Earth base, and you'll get 7 stars if you exit the station and invade the base.

 

Now seriously, this thing about license plate. For the 1000th time, current US license plates come with the name of the state on the top, not the name of the city. GTA4 had it. On top it was written something like "State of Liberty" (the area where the license number should be was written "Liberty City" because they didn't manage to add the random numbers that time).

 

To not go so off-topic, about the OP's picture. The liquor store with playing cards symbols are this way because it was chosen to be so. I'm pretty sure among the thousands of liquor shops around the (real) world, at least some will have this. Ok that around Las Vegas they're more likely to happen, but this doesn't mean they don't exist on other places.

 

About the cowgirl prostitute. If someone from Los Angeles has a cowgirl fetish, does he really need to go to Las Vegas to satisfy his lust?

[Jokesminus]

Sounds about as explainatory as when R* said GTA IV would be a closer representation of NYC. I'm not ruling out the possibility of other cities, but if there are other cities they'll most likely be surrounding cities in Southern California.

 

However the safe bet is LS will be the only city with rural towns and other settlements making up this re-imagined Southerrn Callifornia and overhauled San Andreas.

Overhauled San Andreas it will be but overall still a remake.

 

GTA III TO GTA IV had to change and be a RE IMAGINING GTA IIIs map was small but based on NYC people expect the same change thats stupid from GTA III TO GTA IV. Face it it had to change imagine R* giving us GTA IIIs map but on this gen how upset would people be it was small it didnt resemble NYC that much and I can bet its not what R* wanted to do it was there first 3D GTA they got laughed at people where interested in other games. Then bam it picked up rolled along people loved it GTA III in a lot of ways was the GTA IV of this gen new engine new start. They never re made Lberty City as there was no more games involving that city after GTA 3 apart from the LCSTORIES which lets face it was just a few tweeks and a new protag. But San Andreas was not there first game on a new engine it was a big hit why change it now its not like it didnt resemble its locations like GTA III. No it was perfect for that time so this GTA V will resemble more like LA but still feeling like Los Santos Los Santos does not need to change like the GTA III TO GTA IV.

 

RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA IS..

A) Sticking to whats in the trailer..

B) Is what San Andreas state is roughly based off..

 

RE IMAGINED Southern California is San Andreas. If not then thats just the area in the trailer they are being so secretive this time not like last time where they whored it out straight away. Its the same with most of there games nowadays R* even said they where doing this the less people know the more magic is brought to the game.

 

RE IMAGINING of the Liberty City or closer resembling NYC had to happen end of new tech new engine new consoles new map. New tech new engine new consoles OLD MAP not good at all.

 

Infact a whole change to Liberty City actually had to happen to resemble where it was supposed to resemble. But still ended up being where Liberty City yes LIBERTY CITY with a new island added algonquin. So what makes you so sure San Andreas is gonna be any different infact I see that it will be the same places but with overhauled cities and landscapes with maybe more added.

 

Also from the trailer Los Santos looks big but not that big compared to the old Los Santos so that doesnt sit right with the LARGEST AND MOST AMBITIOUS GAME R* HAS CREATED AS OF YET. So according to you that means Los Santos slightly bigger then the old Los Santos with the other three quarters of the map being countryside and a few towns dotted here and there.

 

Again re read R*s announcement.

Heads to the city of Los Santos in rockstars LARGEST AND MOST AMBITIOUS GAME AS OF YET.

In a RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

 

We should not be saying a true to life Southern California nor should we be comparing the GTA III TO GTA IV that had to change end of that comaparison.

 

But I could be very wrong but so could we all and I know a lot of people will argue to the world ends with others thats called different points of view and different assumptions. Those who miss out certain things then try and have break others dreams and change or miss out what was the truth brought infront of them are not worth it as they are very very wrong. To those who argue against there being more then just one city a countryside and a few towns I say lets agree to disagree. You have your views I have mine.

[Jokesminus]

QUOTE]

Well, if you insist in this "Re-imagined Southern California" that you can add anything, we'll probably have a subway line linking to Mars, to a secret out of Earth base, and you'll get 7 stars if you exit the station and invade the base.

 

Now seriously, this thing about license plate. For the 1000th time, current US license plates come with the name of the state on the top, not the name of the city. GTA4 had it. On top it was written something like "State of Liberty" (the area where the license number should be was written "Liberty City" because they didn't manage to add the random numbers that time).

 

To not go so off-topic, about the OP's picture. The liquor store with playing cards symbols are this way because it was chosen to be so. I'm pretty sure among the thousands of liquor shops around the (real) world, at least some will have this. Ok that around Las Vegas they're more likely to happen, but this doesn't mean they don't exist on other places.

 

About the cowgirl prostitute. If someone from Los Angeles has a cowgirl fetish, does he really need to go to Las Vegas to satisfy his lust?

Actually what I was saying is the state is called San Andreas as stated on the license plates in the trailer.

 

What I was also stating that San Andreas is R*s RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

 

I never have once brought license plates say San Andreas as that is not a valuable arguement to bring as license plates in the US are based on states.

 

I think that the picture the OP posted is actually in a desert near Los Santos. Why I say near Los Santos is I dont think R* would give much of the secret out just yet not even a snippet but they have made a lot of the trailer with cut scenes and hidden alot of stuff off camera.

[j.hunt]

its the whole San Andreas state people, Las Venturas and Sand Fierro included.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosswallace/c...57623803148118/

[Algonquin Assassin]

its the whole San Andreas state people, Las Venturas and Sand Fierro included.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosswallace/c...57623803148118/

How the hell is that proof of SF and LV?

 

Jokeminus- "largest" and "ambitious" could mean a lot of things . The game could have 150 missions for all we know.

 

You're right though. You have your view and I have mine. I'm just looking at things without building up my own hope that's all.

[gmcb007]

its the whole San Andreas state people, Las Venturas and Sand Fierro included.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosswallace/c...57623803148118/

Doesn't prove anything. You ever think that they went to each city for research to find out which one fitted their game the best?

[Jokesminus]

Jokeminus- "largest" and "ambitious" could mean a lot of things . The game could have 150 missions for all we know.

 

You're right though. You have your view and I have mine. I'm just looking at things without building up my own hope that's all.

150 missions would be ambitious multiple protags would be ambitious every building would be ambitious largest to make something large. We can safely assume large is with means to the map oh and Dan Houser saying and a very big map.

 

j.hunt

I think your right its also because of that I think there are those citys and + that they went on the same trip 2 years earlier in 2008. It makes too much sense to be all of San Andreas with maybe addition San Diego aswell.

[FelipeVinhao]

Same here. I agree with the different points of view thing, but I'm avoiding to over-hype here.

 

I'd be a great surprise to have all the main 3 cities (and all the towns too) from GTASA.

 

But as far as I remember, it's the first time Rockstar cites a real world location on a GTA announcement - on previous ones, they just say Liberty City, Vice City, San Andreas, and game magazines and we players just associated with the real world New York, Miami, California + Nevada after seeing and playing on them. This must mean something (if you really wanna find meaning for everything).

[Jokesminus]

But then to say im completely sure there will be SF/LV would be a lie as im 50/50 on the line. Sure but not so sure.

[Algonquin Assassin]

I 'd be a great surprise to have all the main 3 cities (and all the towns too) from GTASA.

Definitely. Honestly I don't want to give the impression that I don't want SF and LV, because it's not true. I'm just looking at it more realistically.

 

I tell you what though if there's more than LS I hope the cities aren't grossly neglected like SF and LV were in SA. After experiencing how well LC was done in GTA IV anything less detailed would be highly disappointing personally.

[leyja]

some ppl say 3 liberty sized cities plus countryside the size of red dead is too much for current hardware well just cause 2 used 7.4 gb and xbox discs have 8gb of memory and blu ray discs i have heard have up to 200gb of memory(although 200gb wont be used in order to see profit) R* can use dual layered blu rays and 2 discs for xbox. metal gear solid 4 used a dual layered blu rays which is 50 gb of memory

Edited January 5, 2012 by leyja

[NGC BemaR]

I wouldn't swear on SF and LV being in the game...As much as it would be an amazing feat I agree with the many that you can't rule it out....yet. Rockstar did announce this would be the most ambitious GTA yet!!! GTA SA in my opinion is the best GTA. GTA IV had the obvious graphical advantage but the size was tiny compared to GTA SA. Now I really can't imagine GTA V would soley focus on Los santos, even if new cities are introduced because it would seem pretty pointless to put high speed jets, and boats on a single land mass I guess I am just trying to make sense of it all. I will buy the game regardless and maybe I am completely wrong and by ambitious may mean a separate multiplayer story mode and full enterable buildings, jobs, gyms and all of that stuff which would be equally amazing.

 

But then again look at the previous games:

 

- GTA III: a dodo that could bare make it across the shot pond to Stauton Island. ( 1 airport)

 

- GTA Vice City: A floatplane and helicopter for touring and the large amounts of water. ( 1 airport)

 

- GTA San Andreas: Dodo, that DC-3 looking plane, Shamal, Helicopters, Floatplane, Andromedia, that spitfire looking plane, and the huge AT- can't remember the rest plane at LV airport (3 airports, 1 airstrip, 1 military airstrip & 1 military strip on a boat in SF)

 

-GTA IV: helicopters for touring and shooting. No jets needed because of the small map (1 disappointing airport)

 

If anyone can't see my point I will expand!!!! GTA San andreas provided those planes because if you wanted to drive from LS to SF in an infernus it would take quite a few minutes from the heart of LS to reach the countryside!!! The Jets were necessary because of the distance! they weren't really incorporated into the story line.

 

I could go on but I won't. GTA San Andreas was a very ambitious jump from GTA: Vice City... GTA V could very well feature two more if not more islands.

 

But then again I could be wrong

 

 

[Vice Beach]

I'm sure it'll have islands and lots of desert and stuff to see and do. But it just wouldn't make sense to have SF and LV in "Southern California." no matter if there's planes or not.

[Vice Beach]

QUOTE]

Well, if you insist in this "Re-imagined Southern California" that you can add anything, we'll probably have a subway line linking to Mars, to a secret out of Earth base, and you'll get 7 stars if you exit the station and invade the base.

 

Now seriously, this thing about license plate. For the 1000th time, current US license plates come with the name of the state on the top, not the name of the city. GTA4 had it. On top it was written something like "State of Liberty" (the area where the license number should be was written "Liberty City" because they didn't manage to add the random numbers that time).

 

To not go so off-topic, about the OP's picture. The liquor store with playing cards symbols are this way because it was chosen to be so. I'm pretty sure among the thousands of liquor shops around the (real) world, at least some will have this. Ok that around Las Vegas they're more likely to happen, but this doesn't mean they don't exist on other places.

 

About the cowgirl prostitute. If someone from Los Angeles has a cowgirl fetish, does he really need to go to Las Vegas to satisfy his lust?

Actually what I was saying is the state is called San Andreas as stated on the license plates in the trailer.

 

What I was also stating that San Andreas is R*s RE IMAGINED SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

 

I never have once brought license plates say San Andreas as that is not a valuable arguement to bring as license plates in the US are based on states.

 

I think that the picture the OP posted is actually in a desert near Los Santos. Why I say near Los Santos is I dont think R* would give much of the secret out just yet not even a snippet but they have made a lot of the trailer with cut scenes and hidden alot of stuff off camera.

No. "Reimagined Southern California" is in other words "Southern San Andreas." Its going to be a portion of San Andreas. The top of the map will be impassable mountains and cliffs. SF and LV still lie to the north. The plates say San Andreas because that's the state.

[NGC BemaR]

I'm sure it'll have islands and lots of desert and stuff to see and do. But it just wouldn't make sense to have SF and LV in "Southern California." no matter if there's planes or not.

Oh foreal ! Sorry I didn't make that clear... I am hoping for SF and LV and like you said it doesn't really make sense to say 'focusing on Southern California' unless as others have said they are lying. For some reason though everyone is forgetting that Southern California has some great cities like San diego, Long Beach, Santa Ana and Riverside (which by the way has its fair share of countryside mountains and beautiful scenery.

 

Don't limit R*. Oh and I do believe due to planes there are other cities I may be wrong but that shamal is heading from the hills to LS airport which gives the impression that there must be an airport on the other side of the hills. I think thats a good enough hint from R*!!!!

[Gtaplayaminigun]

some ppl say 3 liberty sized cities plus countryside the size of red dead is too much for current hardware well just cause 2 used 7.4 gb and xbox discs have 8gb of memory and blu ray discs i have heard have up to 200gb of memory(although 200gb wont be used in order to see profit) R* can use dual layered blu rays and 2 discs for xbox. metal gear solid 4 used a dual layered blu rays which is 50 gb of memory

It's because those people think that the entire map is processed at once and there'll be activity through out the map no matter where you are, just like in real life. But the reality is, only the location you're in and a small amount of the surrounding area(depending on the detail distance and view distances) will be loaded into the physical memory and processed. So, no matter how big a map is made, the only thing that provides a bottleneck is the storage space, which poses a problem a only in case of Xbox 360(atleast fo now) due to its small DL DVDs.

[IAmMars]

 

.... so the GTA 5 map is going to be a bit like this one?

[Samsuxx]

Naah, I liked that other one. But I'm still hoping for a San Diego-themed city.

[llpalm08]

So, no matter how big a map is made, the only thing that provides a bottleneck is the storage space, which poses a problem a only in case of Xbox 360(atleast fo now) due to its small DL DVDs.

I agree but hopefully Rockstar will take on board what Forza have been doing for the past 2 games and do part of the game downloaded to the hard drive. I think putting the map on one disk that can then be downloaded to the hard drive could solve that issue as im sure the map would be at most 6gb, although that would annoy people with the 4gb systems but they could just get an 8 gb USB flash drive that is formatted to the FAT32 file system to store the download.

[IBrahemoX1X]

IM 65 % there well be LV cuz of this scene in the trailer >>> cuz there is desert .. and the mountain in the background i think i saw that mountain in san andreas .. in LV

[FelipeVinhao]

IM 65 % there well be LV cuz of this scene in the trailer >>> cuz there is desert .. and the mountain in the background i think i saw that mountain in san andreas .. in LV

Real Southern California also has deserts, mountains... a liquor store with cowgirl prostitutes...

[Tipper]

 

GTA San andreas provided those planes because if you wanted to drive from LS to SF in an infernus it would take quite a few minutes from the heart of LS to reach the countryside!!!

 

No, what takes a few minutes is going from one corner of the map to the opposite. San Andreas was big, but your memory is making it bigger than it was. Driving from Ganton to Doherty takes 3 minutes at the maximum (don't forget there are 2 useful tunnels between LS and SF, you don't have to take the long way)

[SGT. Johnson]

This has gone on long enough.

 

Southern California

 

Neither San Fierro (San Francisco) nor Las Ventauras (Las Vegas) is in SOUTHERN California.

 

San Fierro is stationed up in NORTHERN California and Las Ventauras is in NEVADA!

 

Now enough with this BULLsh*t!!!

[FelipeVinhao]

GTA San andreas provided those planes because if you wanted to drive from LS to SF in an infernus it would take quite a few minutes from the heart of LS to reach the countryside!!!

 

No, what takes a few minutes is going from one corner of the map to the opposite. San Andreas was big, but your memory is making it bigger than it was. Driving from Ganton to Doherty takes 3 minutes at the maximum (don't forget there are 2 useful tunnels between LS and SF, you don't have to take the long way)

Which, in game time, is equivalent to 3 hours.

[Neo Arcadia]

 

This has gone on long enough.

 

Southern California

 

Neither San Fierro (San Francisco) nor Las Ventauras (Las Vegas) is in SOUTHERN California.

 

San Fierro is stationed up in NORTHERN California and Las Ventauras is in NEVADA!

 

Now enough with this BULLsh*t!!!

 

Irrelevant. Southern California does not exist in the GTA world. The license plates in the trailer show it's still San Andreas in some way, shape, or form. R* is free to include SF and LV if they want regardless of their IRL proximity to Los Angeles.

[SGT. Johnson]

This has gone on long enough.

 

Southern California

 

Neither San Fierro (San Francisco) nor Las Ventauras (Las Vegas) is in SOUTHERN California.

 

San Fierro is stationed up in NORTHERN California and Las Ventauras is in NEVADA!

 

Now enough with this BULLsh*t!!!

 

Irrelevant. Southern California does not exist in the GTA world. The license plates in the trailer show it's still San Andreas in some way, shape, or form. R* is free to include SF and LV if they want regardless of their IRL proximity to Los Angeles.

You're using License Plates as your argument?

 

 

The License Plates say San Andreas because Los Santos is in the STATE OF SAN ANDREAS! Just like Los Angeles is in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA!

 

Rockstar is going for a more realistic approach (did you forget that?). This means we will be seeing a more (that's right) REALISTIC version of Los Santos and Southern California (which once again does not contain either San Fierro or Las Ventauras because they are both in NORTHERN California and NEVADA, respectively).

[Pemp]

This has gone on long enough.

 

Southern California

 

Neither San Fierro (San Francisco) nor Las Ventauras (Las Vegas) is in SOUTHERN California.

 

San Fierro is stationed up in NORTHERN California and Las Ventauras is in NEVADA!

 

Now enough with this BULLsh*t!!!

 

Irrelevant. Southern California does not exist in the GTA world. The license plates in the trailer show it's still San Andreas in some way, shape, or form. R* is free to include SF and LV if they want regardless of their IRL proximity to Los Angeles.

You're using License Plates as your argument?

 

 

The License Plates say San Andreas because Los Santos is in the STATE OF SAN ANDREAS! Just like Los Angeles is in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA!

 

Rockstar is going for a more realistic approach (did you forget that?). This means we will be seeing a more (that's right) REALISTIC version of Los Santos and Southern California (which once again does not contain either San Fierro or Las Ventauras because they are both in NORTHERN California and NEVADA, respectively).

He's just stating that if you're in a fictional state, the real California doesn't exist.