Slamman Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) Let's not confuse cores to threads, MultiThreading and HyperThreading tech. There are still only 2 threads in HTT handled PER CORE of any of the multi-core CPUs that are out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmere-EX#E...2Westmere-EX.22 10 core Intel, XEON are based for Servers, so if you're looking at spending a bundle, the Xeon will come under some consideration at least Edited December 12, 2011 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyphonPayne Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) Let's not confuse cores to threads, MultiThreading and HyperThreading tech. There are still only 2 threads in HTT handled PER CORE of any of the multi-core CPUs that are out. Nobody is confused (yet, I'm sure once you get through with the topic, some will be.) The i7 2600K has 4 cores and 8 threads. Overall HyperThreading on the 2600K gives about a 20% boost in multithreaded performance. Just have a look at the "performance" and "wrap up" sections of this article, to see why 16 threads are not necessary. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5174/why-ivy...still-quad-core 10 core Intel, XEON are based for Servers, so if you're looking at spending a bundle, the Xeon will come under some consideration at least This is true. If I were considering it necessary to have extreme multithreading, I would definitely consider the Xeons over anything AMD offers. As stated in a previous post, that way you get more threads AND better single-threaded performance. Edited December 12, 2011 by SyphonPayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) You can't buy a SuperComputer....if you mean one of these... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer I'm partial to Intel, but AMD had Intel's lead since the Athlon took off, and they've been able to keep pace for a good run in the marathon As far as confusing anyone, Nah, The point with the word "thread" and how it relates is what most average consumers would get confused by. I always try and make the tech less intimidating, really. Since I found I could bridge a lack of understanding with saving a bunch of cash by getting to know what you're looking at, no matter what it is. I remember the days when HD was being first introduced, No average consumer was contemplating the technical jargon and ins and outs of reception difficulties, Local broadcasts, etc. There's still constant confusion over which cable provider to go with. The joke about setting the VCR clock still exists, believe it or not, So my aim is basically to simplify or demystify some of the tech, it can be confusing, no matter if I'm trying to relate or understand it or not. Just digging into the CPU alone doesn't resolve the rest of the computer build issues in a complete complex system that should be paired up to run without bottlenecks. Getting back to threads though, I'd point out most software engineers don't have to follow some law similar to labeling food that a program you buy needs to support so many threads it's written to use or maximize. Most I've seen just say they've been Optimized for Dual or Multicore systems, That's covering a wide gamut and just isn't specific enough to say one uses more threads then another. The initial tech advancement was probably Intel's MMX which was for multi application use within Windows, having Office swapping docs and files between Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and any other app you may want at the same time. Keep in mind, that's 10 years plus time now, and Everyone's doing that these days, so it's likely to come in handy having the more cores and more thread tech in the long haul, but it's up to those writing software in terms of having one game and your OS in the background (hoping you disabled your AntiVirus) Edited December 12, 2011 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky12 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) motherboard is SSI EEB, case don't support that form factor. May have problems with the mounting holes... BTW, this thread is a waste of time. Seriously, these $5000 are nothing but "dream computers" where TS is curious as to what you can get for that insane amount. Chances of them actually getting one are slim and you just wasted half of your life configuring the best build for nothing. If TS is serious about this build, he can propose a build on his own and then we give advice, changes, or suggestions. Edited December 12, 2011 by Stinky12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 motherboard is SSI EEB, case don't support that form factor. SSI EEB = EATX I've got an SSI MEB motherboard in a Corsair 700D right now, and before that I had an SSI EEB board in it, so I know it'll fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky12 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 motherboard is SSI EEB, case don't support that form factor. SSI EEB = EATX I've got an SSI MEB motherboard in a Corsair 700D right now, and before that I had an SSI EEB board in it, so I know it'll fit. SSI EEB has the same physical size as EATX, but there are some differences. Maybe you didn't encounter them so you may have never notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 motherboard is SSI EEB, case don't support that form factor.May have problems with the mounting holes... BTW, this thread is a waste of time. Seriously, these $5000 are nothing but "dream computers" where TS is curious as to what you can get for that insane amount. Chances of them actually getting one are slim and you just wasted half of your life configuring the best build for nothing. If TS is serious about this build, he can propose a build on his own and then we give advice, changes, or suggestions. The OP is short for Original Poster, or topic starter. It's a rare chance to breath the rarified air of Uber PC building, who'd pass up a chance, with a $5K check allowance??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 SSI EEB has the same physical size as EATX, but there are some differences. Maybe you didn't encounter them so you may have never notice it. All of the E-ATX mounting holes are in the exact same place for SSI EEB. Damn near every standard shares most mounting holes. Usually an SSI MEB case will support E-ATX, ATX, mATX, etc. Some boards within those standard don't use ALL of the mounting points, but any that are there will be in the correct place. That said, I believe SSI EEB provided extra holes for mounting Socket 771 coolers to the chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky12 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 SSI EEB has the same physical size as EATX, but there are some differences. Maybe you didn't encounter them so you may have never notice it. All of the E-ATX mounting holes are in the exact same place for SSI EEB. Damn near every standard shares most mounting holes. Usually an SSI MEB case will support E-ATX, ATX, mATX, etc. Some boards within those standard don't use ALL of the mounting points, but any that are there will be in the correct place. That said, I believe SSI EEB provided extra holes for mounting Socket 771 coolers to the chassis. Yep that's the difference as I once was building a dual socket 771 system (client bought parts themselves) and found out CPU HSF can't be installed as the case they got wasn't SSI EEB compliant. Had to run to Home Depot to buy some hex nuts and plastic washers just to install it. Some boards have thought of this so they provide a backplate bundle with it, just in case anyone bought the "wrong" case and have to run to Home Depot like I did... This SilverStone Raven supports SSI EEB and SSI CEB, as well as all the popular consumer form factors. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811163180 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) I want to see Dual CPU for gaming debunked, fully before anyone's crying foul on the concept Just look how fun and neat it CAN be!! Why not if you got some cash and hardware hard-on!?? haha ---> Early 2008, We barely were in the age of Core2Duo I'd assume based on my laptop being Core Duo in 2007. Anywho, A massive SLI rig, this is as big as a Fridge! Keeps as cool as one, I suspect! ? Edited December 13, 2011 by Slamman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Just to stop this completely off topic argument I'm locking this topic. @fpshunterz I apologies for this but it has to be done. In no way did anyone really answer your question. Please create a new topic but time let's keep it simple and more direct. List what all parts you'll need or if this is a complete ground up build. Be sure to mention if you need an OS or not, as well as monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers and anything else that is out of what we might call the normal parts list for a ground up build, like a multi card reader or printer ..you get the idea. Also mention what country you're in and of course the budget it. The most important thing to mention is what you plan to do with the system; just for gaming, just for video or graphics work, mostly both, or just surfing the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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