detail over map size?

[Viperman]

The original poster needs to learn grammar

Quoted for irony.

Yeah true , but Im not coming out with comments like these to follow, on an internet forum full of kids.

 

 

Typical pretentious c*nt. Explainwhat you mean by "atmosphere" and elaborate on "interactive stuff". Now try and prove me wrong that you have a lesser mind.

 

I do so with actual and valid points though

and most of these guys aren't even coherent, which merits insult to how they even try to post.

[Triple Penetration]

I'm also still seeing new things in IV. The other day I saw a postman collecting mail from those blue post boxes, I'm sure I never saw that before.

Must start to stalk one of those post boxes.

 

And didn't anybody see my post? It was before Laufas and others posted, it seems they took everything out of my post and added some other details (not really)

 

I think OP is a troll, disagreeing with everything, even to posts with and without valid points while making senseless points himself.

[Cole Phelps Gta]

do you guys want to play grand theft auto or the sims ? you guys have lost sight of what gta is supposed to be about a great story an emotinally engaging story THATS what it comes down to in my mind

 

I'm a huge wrestling fan well wwe 12 have completely and utterly f*cked up their story mode with too many cuts scene's and alot of other b.s if gta go down this path then i'll be pissed

 

Theirs ALOT worse things then being stuck in a city that being trapped in a bowel im scared where going to have mountine barries and im scared and DONT want them they are fake and gay seriously they'll ruin this games cred keep the water for V for F.F.S

 

my biggest fears

crappy storyline/missions

being tapped in a bowel

 

this is what we should be scared of imo

Edited December 5, 2011 by Cole Phelps Gta

[Mokrie Dela]

 

do you guys want to play grand theft auto or the sims ? you guys have lost sight of what gta is supposed to be about a great story an emotinally engaging story THATS what it comes down to in my mind

 

I'm a huge wrestling fan well wwe 12 have completely and utterly f*cked up their story mode with too many cuts scene's and alot of other b.s if gta go down this path then i'll be pissed

 

Theirs ALOT worse things then being stuck in a city that being trapped in a bowel im scared where going to have mountine barries and im scared and DONT want them they are fake and gay seriously they'll ruin this games cred keep the water for V for F.F.S

 

my biggest fears

crappy storyline/missions

being tapped in a bowel

 

this is what we should be scared of imo

I don't see the relation.

 

A good story has nothing to do with what features are in the game. GTA IV's story was fantastic. SA's was the worst, But look at R* endorsed games: RDR, LANoire, Max payne - they all have great stories.

 

You think there's a danger that V wont?

 

You're also saying a mountain barrier will ruin the game? Get some consistancy man - first you say the story is what counts then say something (which is unlikely) trivial will ruin the game. So by your logic, the story could be GREAT, the gameplay awesome, but if there's a single mountain barrier you'd hate the game?

 

Check what you're saying man.

 

And pleas gtfo with the sims comparioson. GO PLAY THE F*CKING GAME, cos you obviously don't know what the sims is. Grow up and stop comparing random games to GTA just because you want to sound hard. It's pathetic.

 

GTA has changed over the years. Now they seem to be trying to offer a more mature, psuedo-realistic, detailed game. They have evolved over the times.

 

Don't expect to see the "mountine barries" (by which i assume you mean mountain barriers) if there are planes.

 

Personally i don't think your "fears" are well rooted, neither are likely imo

[Meezarawcks]

It seems like you all are saying that R* said, "Oh no IV was a piece of sh*t so we need to go back to SA because that formula worked."

 

IV is a masterpiece in its own right. People arguing on behalf of either game fail to see them as separate entities. Lol @ how aggravating this topic is.

[Mokrie Dela]

It seems like you all are saying that R* said, "Oh no IV was a piece of sh*t so we need to go back to SA because that formula worked."

 

IV is a masterpiece in its own right. People arguing on behalf of either game fail to see them as separate entities. Lol @ how aggravating this topic is.

You know you're the first user I've seen who's joined in the last 3 months that actually seems to have a brain.

 

99% of the post by these new users have been "this is not hitman" or "ew" - complete useless spam post, so to you for A not being a 'tard and B knowing what grammer and punctuation are.

 

You're right though, IV WAS a masterpiece. It looked great and played great, the story and production was fantastic. Now SA was great, yeah, don't get me wrong, i loved it, but it was time to move on. Now it's time to move on again, new city, improved engine (the scene where the 3 men are tending to crops before the plane comes over looks to me like RDR). R* have promised that this game will be the biggest and most epic yet. That's good

[Meezarawcks]

It seems like you all are saying that R* said, "Oh no IV was a piece of sh*t so we need to go back to SA because that formula worked."

 

IV is a masterpiece in its own right.  People arguing on behalf of either game fail to see them as separate entities.  Lol @ how aggravating this topic is.

You know you're the first user I've seen who's joined in the last 3 months that actually seems to have a brain.

 

99% of the post by these new users have been "this is not hitman" or "ew" - complete useless spam post, so to you for A not being a 'tard and B knowing what grammer and punctuation are.

 

You're right though, IV WAS a masterpiece. It looked great and played great, the story and production was fantastic. Now SA was great, yeah, don't get me wrong, i loved it, but it was time to move on. Now it's time to move on again, new city, improved engine (the scene where the 3 men are tending to crops before the plane comes over looks to me like RDR). R* have promised that this game will be the biggest and most epic yet. That's good

Thank you for the cookies lol

 

To be honest the only reason I put so much effort in grammar/punctuation is because R* and the GTA series is one of the first games I have become truly passionate about. They put in so much effort that it makes you want to present yourself to their community in the same fashion.

 

Lol I wanted to actually make a rant topic about how GTA is not Skyrim, Saints Row, Hitman, Just Cause, etc. GTA is in a class of its own and does not need to adapt from any other franchise.

 

Completely agree with you that all GTA iterations were great but its time to move on to the next classic which is V!

[cherrycola]

Maybe it's just that these are the GTA newfags that started on IV.

I've been playing GTA since the gouranga days and I prefer the smaller and more detailed/dense maps to the huge and empty auto-generated landscape maps (though I necessarily wouldn't place SA's map in that category).

 

I would also like to note that it was SA that brought a huge mass of players to the franchise (10 million more sales than VC iirc), not IV. So your "newfags that started on IV" argument is hardly grounded in anything. It was SA that brought a lot of newfags, not IV.

[J-B]

 

It seems like you all are saying that R* said, "Oh no IV was a piece of sh*t so we need to go back to SA because that formula worked."

 

IV is a masterpiece in its own right.  People arguing on behalf of either game fail to see them as separate entities.  Lol @ how aggravating this topic is.

I've been saying the opposite. I've enjoyed every GTA(with VC being my favorite). I think IV was a great push forward for the series. It's the only one I really play on a day to day basis because of the gameplay improvements. I can understand people saying they dislike the concrete jungle style map but you'd have to be blind to not see that the overall gameplay and AI has jumped forward massively from it's predecessors.

[Meezarawcks]

It seems like you all are saying that R* said, "Oh no IV was a piece of sh*t so we need to go back to SA because that formula worked."

 

IV is a masterpiece in its own right.  People arguing on behalf of either game fail to see them as separate entities.  Lol @ how aggravating this topic is.

I've been saying the opposite. I've enjoyed every GTA(with VC being my favorite). I think IV was a great push forward for the series. It's the only one I really play on a day to day basis because of the gameplay improvements. I can understand people saying they dislike the concrete jungle style map but you'd have to be blind to not see that the overall gameplay and AI has jumped forward massively from it's predecessors.

Yeah my mistake cause I read what you said. Should have said "Most" instead of "You all". Very true though the steps in enhancement are amazing.

[Grand_Theft_Peanut]

Nah both arguments are wrong, i loved driving around a f*cking endless dessert with f*ck all to do just as much as i liked being on a street with hundreds of not very detailed buildings with no interactivity ....

[TheTrooth]

It doesn't really matter if you have quantity or quality.

 

Vice City is a pure example of what a small map can accomplish. San Andreas is the same with a large map as an example. It doesnt really matter. IV had a bit of both and was great for it. I think with the next one we will see even more detail in the biggest map yet, which will be great.

[Mokrie Dela]

GTA is in a class of its own and does not need to adapt from any other franchise.

Ah, but it has!

IV took features from many other games. The cell phone from Saints Row for example. The street name system from True Crime,

 

And i'm waiting for you to say "they didn't take them FROM any other game, they just thought of it coincidently AFTER others' had" and that's exactly my point.

One game comes up with something and if another game uses it, it's "copying it" but why?

 

Rockstar would have looked at Saints row, and true crime, they would have played them to see what the competition is like. They would have seen one feature, and thought "we need something like that" so they adopt that idea, and make it their own.

That's why i hate the "this is not XXX" arguement.

If you take away everything that GTA has that another game has already got, you'd have a game of a man standing in a field. No guns or cars or anything.

 

Taking features from other games isn't a bad thing, it's taking inspiration from outside source and the only obstacle preventing this is pride and ego.

Sure some of the ideas R* thought of themselves, but in this day and age, most ideas have already been thought of.

 

"GTA does not need to adopt from any other francises"

If R* stood by this, GTA would fall flat - they have competition and have to address that.

[Meezarawcks]

GTA is in a class of its own and does not need to adapt from any other franchise.

Ah, but it has!

IV took features from many other games. The cell phone from Saints Row for example. The street name system from True Crime,

 

And i'm waiting for you to say "they didn't take them FROM any other game, they just thought of it coincidently AFTER others' had" and that's exactly my point.

One game comes up with something and if another game uses it, it's "copying it" but why?

 

Rockstar would have looked at Saints row, and true crime, they would have played them to see what the competition is like. They would have seen one feature, and thought "we need something like that" so they adopt that idea, and make it their own.

That's why i hate the "this is not XXX" arguement.

If you take away everything that GTA has that another game has already got, you'd have a game of a man standing in a field. No guns or cars or anything.

 

Taking features from other games isn't a bad thing, it's taking inspiration from outside source and the only obstacle preventing this is pride and ego.

Sure some of the ideas R* thought of themselves, but in this day and age, most ideas have already been thought of.

 

"GTA does not need to adopt from any other francises"

If R* stood by this, GTA would fall flat - they have competition and have to address that.

I hear what you are saying but in retrospect the "cell phone" concept was already implemented in Vice City and San Andreas (which were released before SR even came about). Saints Row just took it a step further with implementing it in the pause menu and being able to contact others. Then IV took it a step further with actually making it a more realistic cell phone experience. In this I consider R* pioneered the concept and it just got better with future games.

 

I can't really comment on the True Crime street name system since i never played the series. Although R* did name the areas of the game as u approached them in the original GTA (i.e. East Sunview, North Woodside, etc). Once again True Crime took it a step further and named the streets.

 

I guess my rant for that was people stating how R* should implement ideas from other games that really wouldn't work in a GTA game. I am talking about the whole RPG aspect of Skyrim, SR blatant over the top sense of humor (i.e. Dildo weapon), etc.

 

While I am sure R* view the competition and draw some ideas from it in my heart they have always been the pioneer of this genre.

[GTAknowledge]

It doesn't really matter if you have quantity or quality.

 

Vice City is a pure example of what a small map can accomplish. San Andreas is the same with a large map as an example. It doesnt really matter. IV had a bit of both and was great for it. I think with the next one we will see even more detail in the biggest map yet, which will be great.

This.

 

I think the GTA V map will be a little bigger than the San Andreas map with a little more quality/detail than what was in the GTA IV map. Overall, it will be the best map in a GTA game.

[ldee]

 

The original poster needs to learn grammar and the use of capital letters before trying to force his opinions into everyone.

Play Gta3, then SA. Afterwards play IV. This topic is, at that point rendered useless. Nothing more than an attempt to try establish his intellegence and  bu his own fault, his stupidity.

Another wild keyboard warrior appears. It's all the same. With no relevant content to post you decide to bawl about how I'm solely "establish my intelligence"?

 

Like an accelerant to flame. Reacting blindly and feistily, but without any actual content in your post. Maybe if you were a bit more literate you could actually at least read and maybe understand some of the contents in my posts.

[Vercetti27]

If I'm honest, I want a map about the size of SA , with the detail of GTA 4, but obviously I'd want more interiors. There could be a setting so that when your browsing the map you can switch to view where the interiors are on the map. houses you can break into, enterablev offices, museums, cafes, restaraunts, shops, warehouses, sh*t like that

[-Bruce-]

Just stop, everybody, STOP ARGUEING ABOUT GTAs!!! They are all great, if you can't accept that then you should'nt be here.

[TheTrooth]

If I'm honest, I want a map about the size of SA , with the detail of GTA 4, but obviously I'd want more interiors. There could be a setting so that when your browsing the map you can switch to view where the interiors are on the map. houses you can break into, enterablev offices, museums, cafes, restaraunts, shops, warehouses, sh*t like that

Obviously they can use interiors, but to limit game size they can learn from Red Dead.

 

Certain shops are open for certain hours.

 

For example. Your game loads at mid-day, the interiors that are available are shops and things that would open at that time, not night clubs, casinos etc. And when it reaches say 8pm, the map reloads and disables the ability to enter shops and ables you to enter buildings. Rather than having everything open at once.

[Meezarawcks]

^^^Hmm interesting concept.

[J-B]

Obviously they can use interiors, but to limit game size they can learn from Red Dead.

 

Certain shops are open for certain hours.

 

For example. Your game loads at mid-day, the interiors that are available are shops and things that would open at that time, not night clubs, casinos etc. And when it reaches say 8pm, the map reloads and disables the ability to enter shops and ables you to enter buildings. Rather than having everything open at once.

That doesn't seem like it would help size at all. The interiors would still have to be on the disc even if they aren't loaded at all times.

[TreyCrll]

Wow really this again? I really find it pointless debating for either game. They both had there merits. SA was great and so was IV.

I know right? Why is everybody getting all butt hurt over which game had better things to do? They were both great in their own aspects, and I enjoyed both of them immensely; just like I'll love whatever V will have to offer. R* are pros, they spend a lot of time listening to constructive criticism in order to fix what their biggest fan bases saw wrong in previous games. so hopefully they will have listened to this (or something similar since something like this is posted twice a day), and will make V "the best of both worlds".

[Mokrie Dela]

GTA is in a class of its own and does not need to adapt from any other franchise.

Ah, but it has!

IV took features from many other games. The cell phone from Saints Row for example. The street name system from True Crime,

 

And i'm waiting for you to say "they didn't take them FROM any other game, they just thought of it coincidently AFTER others' had" and that's exactly my point.

One game comes up with something and if another game uses it, it's "copying it" but why?

 

Rockstar would have looked at Saints row, and true crime, they would have played them to see what the competition is like. They would have seen one feature, and thought "we need something like that" so they adopt that idea, and make it their own.

That's why i hate the "this is not XXX" arguement.

If you take away everything that GTA has that another game has already got, you'd have a game of a man standing in a field. No guns or cars or anything.

 

Taking features from other games isn't a bad thing, it's taking inspiration from outside source and the only obstacle preventing this is pride and ego.

Sure some of the ideas R* thought of themselves, but in this day and age, most ideas have already been thought of.

 

"GTA does not need to adopt from any other francises"

If R* stood by this, GTA would fall flat - they have competition and have to address that.

I hear what you are saying but in retrospect the "cell phone" concept was already implemented in Vice City and San Andreas (which were released before SR even came about). Saints Row just took it a step further with implementing it in the pause menu and being able to contact others. Then IV took it a step further with actually making it a more realistic cell phone experience. In this I consider R* pioneered the concept and it just got better with future games.

 

I can't really comment on the True Crime street name system since i never played the series. Although R* did name the areas of the game as u approached them in the original GTA (i.e. East Sunview, North Woodside, etc). Once again True Crime took it a step further and named the streets.

 

I guess my rant for that was people stating how R* should implement ideas from other games that really wouldn't work in a GTA game. I am talking about the whole RPG aspect of Skyrim, SR blatant over the top sense of humor (i.e. Dildo weapon), etc.

 

While I am sure R* view the competition and draw some ideas from it in my heart they have always been the pioneer of this genre.

The inclusion of a cell phone, yeah VC started it - though i dare say that there was a cell phone featured in a game beforehand.

But saints row introduced the "interactive" cell phone - the ability to instigate calls cheats etc. Thats a feature that SR got to first.

But that still backs up my point - jst because someone got there first doesn't mean it's "copied"

 

All sandbox games have named districts. Street names and district names have very little connection imo. GTA wasn't the first game to name streets. Sure they mighta named districts but street names are completely different.

 

But like i said, just because R* have used a feature, doesn't mean it's copied- the whole "this aint the sims" arguement - just because another game shares that feature doesn't make any other game the same. Saints Row for example you can mod up your cribs - that game isn't "the sims" either and doesn't feel anything like it.

 

at the end of the day where the features come from, "copied" or jst "thought up" is irrelevant. GTA has shown that the features have always been implemented well, and i have no doubt that V will do the same.

[.JimmyHopkins.]

this is such a pointless topic ,seriously...i can't believe people are still talking about stuff like this! ...If you want SPACE and driving around off-road and all that,then play f*ckin San Andreas,if you want a city which is probably the best and most well made from all the GTA games so far ,detailed and "alive" so to say...then play GTA IV.That's it...I mean whats the point of making a topic like this,Rockstar are not gonna read it or something,nor if they did will they change anything in the game (like adding more space or something) ,and for those who don't really care about the size of the map or sh*t like that - they are not gonna change their mind,they don't care...those who support the topic maker - they are like from some club : "I don't like GTA IV,give me space" .Rockstar have already finished the map and all that so the size and stuff like that is set,they won't change it like i said,so this here is just like whining around like some one who had to much high expectations about GTA IV but ended up disappointed...the best thing to do is just to play what you like and if you want something then call R* or send them an e-mail or something ,because otherwise its just pointless to talk about it.

[Mokrie Dela]

this is such a pointless topic ,seriously...

Then what you do is you click the "Report Post" on the first comment, and type in why it's "pointless"

 

But rule number one is you DO NOT reply to it. If you think it's spam or pointless, DO NOT REPLY

 

Doesn't anyone read the rules when they sign up?

 

 

It's not a pointless topic though, as it's (supposed to be) a discussion on whether people want a large map with lots of space, or a tight detailed one... at least thats what i thought it was meant to me.

If you don't like the topic, GTFO. Simple mate.

[BlademanX]

GTA 5 will not be as big as San Andreas. But you will still buy the game ..... Get ready for a smaller map than SA.....now GTFO

[J-B]

GTA 5 will not be as big as San Andreas. But you will still buy the game ..... Get ready for a smaller map than SA.....now GTFO

Oh so you've seen the game outside of the trailers ? Care to share any other details with us ?

[-Bruce-]

this is such a pointless topic ,seriously...i can't believe people are still talking about stuff like this! ...If you want SPACE and driving around off-road and all that,then play f*ckin San Andreas,if you want a city which is probably the best and most well made from all the GTA games so far ,detailed and "alive" so to say...then play GTA IV.That's it...I mean whats the point of making a topic like this,Rockstar are not gonna read it or something,nor if they did will they change anything in the game (like adding more space or something) ,and for those who don't really care about the size of the map or sh*t like that - they are not gonna change their mind,they don't care...those who support the topic maker - they are like from some club : "I don't like GTA IV,give me space" .Rockstar have already finished the map and all that so the size and stuff like that is set,they won't change it like i said,so this here is just like whining around like some one who had to much high expectations about GTA IV but ended up disappointed...the best thing to do is just to play what you like and if you want something then call R* or send them an e-mail or something ,because otherwise its just pointless to talk about it.

Absolutelly correct...don't f*ck around sayign this is wrong.

This is a pointless thread cause it has gone out of hands.

[Mokrie Dela]

GTA 5 will not be as big as San Andreas. But you will still buy the game ..... Get ready for a smaller map than SA.....now GTFO

Map size isn't an issue for me. IV's was massively detailed. Watch the trailer again - the bit where the black guy in the epic sweater waves away the white T shirt one - there's a poster there that's been half torn down.

Litter on the floor, the life-rings on the pier, the knot on the shorts of the black man jogging at the start,

The folding convertable roof (something i've wanted since 2001)

The walls in the scene where thee convertable's roof folds - the dirt, the marks, the torn posters, the ads, the clutter on the street.

 

The DETAIL. I'd rather that then an empty souless street. The trailer is showing A LOT of character so far, and the map will likey be IV's size or bigger. That'll do

[-Bruce-]

LOL...IV was big enough. It was just only a place full of housing, like real life NY. You don't find that much countryside there. Perfectly fine. And i got that great feeling that i was really there, a businessman or a gangster when playing it.

When you compare it to SA then you see it's just a bit bigger. So don't whine about the size.