lilchris131 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) Like some players go round mowing down pedestrians and/or shooting them on the street, Niko wouldn't do that as he has moral values. Same with Johnny and Luis really. You could call it 'non-canon'? Edited November 8, 2011 by lilchris131 KingAJ032304 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheesyJ Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Perhaps it is, however I think you're reading too much into the game. Most GTA protagonists wouldn't go around on mindless killing sprees. Your description of it being non-canon though does sound apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceRay Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 The game never forces the player to kill pedestrians or innocents; its the player doing it using Niko. Therefore, I don't feel that Niko would kill hundreds of civilians given the choice. Its definately non-canon, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linki Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I think Niko is capable of it, he has a very short fuse and killing doesn't phase him. Every GTA protagonist needs to be capable of it, or it will make the character feel out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheesyJ Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I think that while he may have been capable of killing peds, I can't imagine him being the type of character who would've ran around and went on murderous killing sprees. Even with a rather short fuse, that's not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingleman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 This is the only problem I had when GTA started introducing more developed and in depth stories with believable characters. Only the games before San Andreas did random, meaningless killing sprees make some sort of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampka12 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I never kiled any pedestrian for purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUgamer Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 This is a very interesting topic, I already found myself in situations where I would question myself if it was appropriate to commit virtual crimes without anything to justify them (killing innocent civilians would count as that). For myself, I solved this problem by not saving game, after I do something like that. That would mean, that this act did not happen in the story of Niko's life, it was merely a lucid dream he was having. I suppose that then it is also not present in game's statistics, so this is a proof that he didn't commit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 It's pretty clear by Niko's actions in certain missions (like some of the Random Encounters) that he wouldn't go around killing civilians (or anyone if there was nothing in it for him), so any "massacre" or civilian death is, I think, non-canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilchris131 Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Even if he did do it, he wouldn't get away with it even after he lost his wanted level. Cos even at that point, he'd be a very wanted man lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejorens Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I mostly kill peds when they ram into the back of my car when i`m stopped at a set of traffic lights. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linki Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 If you play the mission Hostile Negotiations, we get to see how blood thirsty Niko can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMagic50 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Apart from Grand Theft Auto and running over the odd ped in my car I never commit crimes against them nowadays. When I was younger and played the game, thats all I did though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilchris131 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 If you play the mission Hostile Negotiations, we get to see how blood thirsty Niko can get. Not towards people who haven't done anything to him (innocent civilians). The thugs in that mission were Dimitri's henchmen who were holding his cousin captive?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostOfAll Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SammiiDoogles Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostOfAll Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilchris131 Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. He does actually feel uncomfortable with some of the murders, i.e. when he berated Brucie for making him kill Lyle and Tom Rivas for what turned out to be unjustified reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilEmperorZoRG Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. He does actually feel uncomfortable with some of the murders, i.e. when he berated Brucie for making him kill Lyle and Tom Rivas for what turned out to be unjustified reasons. The police want's you dead, there's nothing I can do. But he{you} can let him live. Same for Ivan ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostOfAll Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. He does actually feel uncomfortable with some of the murders, i.e. when he berated Brucie for making him kill Lyle and Tom Rivas for what turned out to be unjustified reasons. That doesn't change the fact that he kills people for the sole purpose of money. That's ironic and hypocritical. You know what Darko did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilchris131 Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. He does actually feel uncomfortable with some of the murders, i.e. when he berated Brucie for making him kill Lyle and Tom Rivas for what turned out to be unjustified reasons. That doesn't change the fact that he kills people for the sole purpose of money. That's ironic and hypocritical. You know what Darko did. I think Niko gradually got himself more and more integrated into the criminal world that he felt pressured into doing a lot of killing towards the end of the game. He probably felt he couldn't refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir202 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. He does actually feel uncomfortable with some of the murders, i.e. when he berated Brucie for making him kill Lyle and Tom Rivas for what turned out to be unjustified reasons. That doesn't change the fact that he kills people for the sole purpose of money. That's ironic and hypocritical. You know what Darko did. Well said, I think that's why he seemed to be annoyed/tried to ignore it when Darko asked him how much he charges to kill somebody He didn't want to look at that part of his personality, almost like he was in denial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. The thing with Claude is he didn't have a distinct personality. GTA III was originally going to have a enter name feature, because he was meant to represent us. We could imagine ourselves in a GTA world by playing as him. If we wanted to be blood thirsty maniacs we could. He never talked or displayed any emotion, so it's hard to tell what he was feeling. At the end of the day I think all these guys will only kill if it's necessary. I couldn't imagine any of them popping an innocent ped in cold blood in the street for no reason. These guys maybe criminals, but they're not Jason Voorhees, or Michael Myers. On the other end if we had a protagonist portrayed as a heartless asshole with no regard for human life wouldn't it be out of character for him to walk around the streets and not kill innocents? We would have to kill everyone in sight to match his character all the time which would be annoying. R* have no control on what we do outside of the story. They only do their jobs by giving us deep characters with multiple sides. They can't dictate what we do. So while I couldn't imagine Niko killing 1000s of innocent peds it's really up to us. Personally it never ruined my GTA IV experience having such a deep and rich personality like Niko's than going on a rampage soon after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostOfAll Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I don't think ANY of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists would kill innocent pedestrians for no reason. If you've played the game at all, you should know by now that he's a very busy man. He wouldn't have the time to kill innocents if they haven't done anything to him or people who's fond of. Remember that he didn't plan on killing anyone when he came to Liberty City. I think Claude probably would kill pedestrians in cold blood, he doesn't really seem to have any remorse or regard for human life. I think Tommy could but to a much lesser extent, he'd kill a ped for a minor thing, but probably not in cold blood. I don't think anyone from CJ onwards would. That's true. I've read about Claude and Tommy, but I've never played those games. About Niko, I don't think he'd kill anyone for minor reasons. He's actually quite tolerant. He even went as far as to help Bernie/Florian out by chasing down the bully. He wouldn't do anything to anyone unless that person is a threat to himself and/or someone he cares about. However, there are exceptions. Niko is quite greedy in the game, so he would kill some people just for money. Think about those missions in which Niko is asked to kill someone for money. He doesn't really want to do it, but he does it because of his desire for money. He does actually feel uncomfortable with some of the murders, i.e. when he berated Brucie for making him kill Lyle and Tom Rivas for what turned out to be unjustified reasons. That doesn't change the fact that he kills people for the sole purpose of money. That's ironic and hypocritical. You know what Darko did. Well said, I think that's why he seemed to be annoyed/tried to ignore it when Darko asked him how much he charges to kill somebody He didn't want to look at that part of his personality, almost like he was in denial I think that's partially why whether or not to kill Darko was a tough decision for him to make. You can see that Niko is upset or even hurt after making either choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceRay Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The thing with Claude is he didn't have a distinct personality. GTA III was originally going to have a enter name feature, because he was meant to represent us. We could imagine ourselves in a GTA world by playing as him. If we wanted to be blood thirsty maniacs we could. He never talked or displayed any emotion, so it's hard to tell what he was feeling. I was going to post something like this. Basically, Claude is an avatar, people need to stop looking so deeply at him. He's just a pair of shoes the player inserts themselves into. I guess this is why people are drawn to silent but strong characters. I remember over on the RDR forums there was a poll on whether you prefer Red Harlow (Revolver) or John Marston (Redemption). It was interesting that some people preferred Harlow simply because he was more mysterious and was easier for the player to be put in their shoes, although a lot liked Marston as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_R_LFC Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I never kiled any pedestrian for purpose I don't quite understand what you're saying here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilchris131 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 I never kiled any pedestrian for purpose I don't quite understand what you're saying here I think he means he has never killed a pedestrian for a reason, just for fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGTAGamer Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I've always tried my best to not harm a civilian, I always keep my sights on the enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Fool Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 That's why I behave in-game the way Niko would if he were real and only go on killing sprees when I need a break from the story, but I do not record these killings by saving, so... never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Petrol Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Did you know that is possible to complete GTA IV (to 100%) with only 9 kills. Although, you do still have to kill people it is possible to do it so that they do not count in your game stats! EDIT: Since posting this, I've gradually got the kill count down to ZERO kills. Edited May 8, 2012 by Jasper Petrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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