skillz7855 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippo55312 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person? Read the last few posts... no one is saying that. We are just saying that some art, even though we know its not real, is so powerful that it can manipulate our emotions in a big way. It can make us feel sad, happy, and sometimes disturbed or uncomfortable. And we are saying that grand theft auto with photorealistic graphics- at that point the art becomes so powerful, that it has the ability to make us feel very uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi 9mm Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Number one, it will be quite a while before we get photo-realism GTA games, and by that I mean a game where you're unable to tell between it and real life. Two, lay off this guy because what he's saying is partially true. GTA imitates real life, we have people, cars, real life city clones etc. Even in its current form, GTA is reasonably realistic, and even though technically those peds aren't really dead after you've run them over or shot them as it's a computer game, it still can be disturbing for some people, the blood, the screams, that final bullet to the head while they're still on the floor dazed . Yes, don't feel ashamed to feel some type of guilt for this, real or make believe, it's a person being killed in a way that is made to look like it's real. Part of you deep inside must think 'would I do this in real life'? I'm sure when you're driving round observing how wonderfull the scenery is and crash effects on your vehicle look after crashing and liking it all, well...is this real? No, it's also pixels, but it still doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Someone could make a thread saying 'look how awesome the new graphics look', and others replying with 'it's not real life, stop getting excited', that's like the same as what is happening here. Are you really going to be walking up Mt. Chilliad? No. But you will still feel the joy of doing it, real or not. So what's wrong with feeling maybe a bit of guilt when mindlessly killing the pedestrians? Personally it's not a problem to me, even in photo realism I'd probably have more fun. But not everyone's the same, remember that. Edited November 5, 2011 by uzi 9mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelouch The Zero Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillz7855 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person? Read the last few posts... no one is saying that. We are just saying that some art, even though we know its not real, is so powerful that it can manipulate our emotions in a big way. It can make us feel sad, happy, and sometimes disturbed or uncomfortable. And we are saying that grand theft auto with photorealistic graphics- at that point the art becomes so powerful, that it has the ability to make us feel very uncomfortable. It seem you need a lot of help if this game makes you emotional. Because I know in America if you start to have feeling over a game your either feminine or Some one whose gets to attach to a video game cough "No Life." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temperjames Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 can anyone find the article I'm talking about with Dan Houser saying he wants GTA games to be identical to real life? I feel everyone kinda missed that, and I'm curious to see the whole article again. I know it's like a needle in a haystack, but it's such a great parallel to this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippo55312 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person? Read the last few posts... no one is saying that. We are just saying that some art, even though we know its not real, is so powerful that it can manipulate our emotions in a big way. It can make us feel sad, happy, and sometimes disturbed or uncomfortable. And we are saying that grand theft auto with photorealistic graphics- at that point the art becomes so powerful, that it has the ability to make us feel very uncomfortable. It seem you need a lot of help if this game makes you emotional. Because I know in America if you start to have feeling over a game your either feminine or Some one whose gets to attach to a video game cough "No Life." Im not saying it does now. Im saying it might if it got to the point where the graphics are photorealistic. I was really just posing a question more then anything, but you guys turned it into something else. Let me just clarify, I had no problem with rampages in gta 4 or red dead redemption. And I won't in gta 5 either. I just saw the trailer, and the incredible graphics and thought "maybe this will be slightly different, not so different that I will stop shooting up pads, but different." and then I thought, well what if it got to the extreme? with photorealistic graphics. That might be weird. Thats literally all this topic was. Just posing a f*cking question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi 9mm Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person? Read the last few posts... no one is saying that. We are just saying that some art, even though we know its not real, is so powerful that it can manipulate our emotions in a big way. It can make us feel sad, happy, and sometimes disturbed or uncomfortable. And we are saying that grand theft auto with photorealistic graphics- at that point the art becomes so powerful, that it has the ability to make us feel very uncomfortable. It seem you need a lot of help if this game makes you emotional. Because I know in America if you start to have feeling over a game your either feminine or Some one whose gets to attach to a video game cough "No Life." Well, being happy is an emotion, everyone gets emotional when they play GTA as it's pleasing to play right? Otherwise we wouldn't play it. Are you calling everyone who likes GTA feminine? Or will you admit that you don't know what you're talking about and you're just trying to funny? Edited November 5, 2011 by uzi 9mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillz7855 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person? Read the last few posts... no one is saying that. We are just saying that some art, even though we know its not real, is so powerful that it can manipulate our emotions in a big way. It can make us feel sad, happy, and sometimes disturbed or uncomfortable. And we are saying that grand theft auto with photorealistic graphics- at that point the art becomes so powerful, that it has the ability to make us feel very uncomfortable. It seem you need a lot of help if this game makes you emotional. Because I know in America if you start to have feeling over a game your either feminine or Some one whose gets to attach to a video game cough "No Life." Im not saying it does now. Im saying it might if it got to the point where the graphics are photorealistic. I was really just posing a question more then anything, but you guys turned it into something else. Let me just clarify, I had no problem with rampages in gta 4 or red dead redemption. And I won't in gta 5 either. I just saw the trailer, and the incredible graphics and thought "maybe this will be slightly different, not so different that I will stop shooting up pads, but different." and then I thought, well what if it got to the extreme? with photorealistic graphics. That might be weird. Thats literally all this topic was. Just posing a f*cking question. even when it does get to the point when everything looks photo realistic its still going to be a game regardless and should never take it serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitolLimited Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 If you can't accept the fact then this is a game then you have a lot to catch up on in real life. Are you retarded? Are you a retarded person? Read the last few posts... no one is saying that. We are just saying that some art, even though we know its not real, is so powerful that it can manipulate our emotions in a big way. It can make us feel sad, happy, and sometimes disturbed or uncomfortable. And we are saying that grand theft auto with photorealistic graphics- at that point the art becomes so powerful, that it has the ability to make us feel very uncomfortable. It seem you need a lot of help if this game makes you emotional. Because I know in America if you start to have feeling over a game your either feminine or Some one whose gets to attach to a video game cough "No Life." Looks like we have an internet tough guy on our case. Seriously, I go on rampages in GTA4, but I have to admit I was initially disturbed at shooting cops or civilians. That's why when I play through the missions, I try to limit the amount of cops I shoot or collateral damage involving civilians. So if I understand your point, you're saying that the players who feel even the slightest bit DISTURBED at shooting a pedestrian is a no life...hmm seems pretty contradictory to me. I'm sorry that I have no life because I exhibit humane emotions and don't spend enough time judging the masculinity of your standard of men on an internet forum board. Please forgive me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippo55312 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 And just to put it another way, to re iterate how f*cking stupid you guys who are giving me the "its just a game bullsh*t" sound... according to your weird, definitive logic that it is just a game so you should feel no emotion at all playing it, alright then would you kill a child in a game? Since they are just pixels then who cares right? and anyone who would feel uncomfortable killing a child in gta is some kind of pussy, or psychotic because they can't distinguish fantasy from reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Sevens Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Are you calling everyone who likes GTA feminine? No, I believe he is saying people who get emotionally attatched to a make believe person have feminine traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldee Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 you should feel no emotion at all playing it, alright then would you kill a child in a game? Since they are just pixels then who cares right? and anyone who would feel uncomfortable killing a child in gta is some kind of pussy, or psychotic because they can't distinguish fantasy from reality. Lmao. Do you come from a mental institute? You just made a good implication that you're psychotic, or some kind of pussy not being able to distinguish what's real and what's not. Maybe games now need the age rating system overhauled and paired with a pussy/psycho system rating to protect the likes of you from being overcome and influenced by them? ps. I've seen plenty of dead and dying people in reality and I may mean to brag but that just speaks volumes of how much a pussy you are good sir! Thanks for making my day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Lurker Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Number one, it will be quite a while before we get photo-realism GTA games, and by that I mean a game where you're unable to tell between it and real life. Two, lay off this guy because what he's saying is partially true. (....) Personally it's not a problem to me, even in photo realism I'd probably have more fun. But not everyone's the same, remember that. (I shortened it a bit) Best answer so far! We all play these games to feel emotions, right? Be it happiness, rage, lust or whatever. Also, when it comes to games, and complex ones at that, there's a really generous range of reactions from the audience. I, for one, love the sunsets and dawns of GTA games, and can stop the car by the road just to see them. If that makes me a pussy, so be it. I still get the most of my GTAs. -------------- I don't see anything wrong with what the OP is saying. After all, I've felt a bit of disgust the first time the car crushed a a ped in GTA IV, and I remember how impressed I was with Resident Evil 4 graphics when it first came out (That "zombie" with a chainsaw was freaking scary). So, I get it. But, if you're like me (and many other guys) you could get used to it, specially if you're playing every game as it comes out. The evolution of graphics is so gradual that there's almost no shock value with each new release (except for the first ones of each console generation). Now, if you were jumping from GTA II to V, now that can come as a bit of a shock... Edited November 5, 2011 by Da_Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Without a Tongue Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 But is it art? Anyway, yeah, simulated depictions of reality impact me intellectually and emotionally. Because, you know, I'm not autistic. Suspension of plausibility is also enjoyable. The way GTA successfully combines the two is immensely gratifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Sevens Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 But is it art? Anyway, yeah, simulated depictions of reality impact me intellectually and emotionally. Because, you know, I'm not autistic. Suspension of plausibility is also enjoyable. The way GTA successfully combines the two is immensely gratifying. Nor do you grasp Autism. I have an Autistic son and he feels emotions just like, perhaps more, than everybody else. He only lacks the ability to express them. Please don't bring these issues into internet discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR7 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) --- Edited November 6, 2011 by Gregers08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratone Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) But is it art? Anyway, yeah, simulated depictions of reality impact me intellectually and emotionally. Because, you know, I'm not autistic. Suspension of plausibility is also enjoyable. The way GTA successfully combines the two is immensely gratifying. Nor do you grasp Autism. I have an Autistic son and he feels emotions just like, perhaps more, than everybody else. He only lacks the ability to express them. Please don't bring these issues into internet discussions. Well, with a father who calls someone a pussy because they showed emotional connection to a story, I'm not surprised the kid ended up being a "freudian perverse"/autistic. Could I use you for my Master's Psychology Paper? And BTW, Snake Without a Tongue is right. Showing "emotion" (meaning screaming and bitching when something don't go your way) doesn't mean you can connect to another human being or another "emotional situation", it actually means you can only connect to your wants and needs. So, yes, while he wasn't giving us a medical/psychological definition of autism, the term was well used. Edited November 5, 2011 by Ratone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippo55312 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 you should feel no emotion at all playing it, alright then would you kill a child in a game? Since they are just pixels then who cares right? and anyone who would feel uncomfortable killing a child in gta is some kind of pussy, or psychotic because they can't distinguish fantasy from reality. Lmao. Do you come from a mental institute? You just made a good implication that you're psychotic, or some kind of pussy not being able to distinguish what's real and what's not. Maybe games now need the age rating system overhauled and paired with a pussy/psycho system rating to protect the likes of you from being overcome and influenced by them? ps. I've seen plenty of dead and dying people in reality and I may mean to brag but that just speaks volumes of how much a pussy you are good sir! Thanks for making my day! No I am saying that that is the point that other people are making. People have been saying that they feel no emotion at all because it is just a game. . I am saying that according to their logic, there is nothing wrong with killing a child in a game, because it is not real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldee Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 you should feel no emotion at all playing it, alright then would you kill a child in a game? Since they are just pixels then who cares right? and anyone who would feel uncomfortable killing a child in gta is some kind of pussy, or psychotic because they can't distinguish fantasy from reality. Lmao. Do you come from a mental institute? You just made a good implication that you're psychotic, or some kind of pussy not being able to distinguish what's real and what's not. Maybe games now need the age rating system overhauled and paired with a pussy/psycho system rating to protect the likes of you from being overcome and influenced by them? ps. I've seen plenty of dead and dying people in reality and I may mean to brag but that just speaks volumes of how much a pussy you are good sir! Thanks for making my day! No I am saying that that is the point that other people are making. People have been saying that they feel no emotion at all because it is just a game. . I am saying that according to their logic, there is nothing wrong with killing a child in a game, because it is not real. I am and was aware that it's the point other people make. Now, as you have stated it hopefully you do realise how truly it pertains to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippo55312 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 you should feel no emotion at all playing it, alright then would you kill a child in a game? Since they are just pixels then who cares right? and anyone who would feel uncomfortable killing a child in gta is some kind of pussy, or psychotic because they can't distinguish fantasy from reality. Lmao. Do you come from a mental institute? You just made a good implication that you're psychotic, or some kind of pussy not being able to distinguish what's real and what's not. Maybe games now need the age rating system overhauled and paired with a pussy/psycho system rating to protect the likes of you from being overcome and influenced by them? ps. I've seen plenty of dead and dying people in reality and I may mean to brag but that just speaks volumes of how much a pussy you are good sir! Thanks for making my day! No I am saying that that is the point that other people are making. People have been saying that they feel no emotion at all because it is just a game. . I am saying that according to their logic, there is nothing wrong with killing a child in a game, because it is not real. I am and was aware that it's the point other people make. Now, as you have stated it hopefully you do realise how truly it pertains to you. I just don't understand where your coming from. I regret using that example, but all I was trying to say is that their logic doesn't add up, because according to it you should not be phased by anything that isn't real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noid449 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 i always read the label before trying something different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnab1 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Has anyone mentioned that Dan Houser said in a past interview that he wants to keep making GTA games until "real life and our games are indistinguisable". Sorry if this has been mentioned, I didn't read every post. So it seems that they're essentially striving to do JUST what you're finding weird and offputting. I dunno, I think only society and the consumers will dictate whether that's what will happen or not. I mean obviously with new technology it WILL end up happening. It's good that you mentioned this, because it reminded me of Dan Houser saying that a few years ago. EXACTALLY. What these people are trying to do, is make it so disturbing, that you think twice before pumping a hobo full of 8 gauge. They want you to feel the horror of the act of killing, gamers have this idea that they can fight with dignity, that there is no emotional impact in you when you take to killing someone... it's absurd, it's anaesthetic. we need that idea to endure the bloody horror of murder. GTA must destroy this idea. Show them what a messy, terrible thing it is to kill a man, and thats where the photorealism will force people to do, feel the horror and the hate, of murdering what you consiter "human" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoloFleece Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 At that point you can hand in your GTA license, because the game will no longer be for you. If you can't handle it don't play it. GTA like all games will one day reach a graphical level which you may find weird, but those of us who understand the difference between non-fiction vs fiction, reality and fantasy will continue to play on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmisdice Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 #1. there is already a Topic for this, http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=448549&st=0 #2. I, yes ME already proved that realism doesn't make the game bad, makes it good here was my post proving how realism is good, and how GTA SA is the MOST realistic game in the GTA series: People here seem to not understand what Realism in GTA games are... Being able to change clothes, get a haircut, customize cars(that is realistic), take photos, not being able to escape a 6 star wanted level without cheats, your weight fat or skinny or muscular, sex appeal, respect, stamina, Swimming, gambling... IS REALISM, that's the things that MADE GTA SA a success, that IS WHY GTA IV failed a little bit, because it was MISSING those things, and those things("Being able to change clothes, get a haircut, customize cars(that is realistic), take photos, not being able to escape a 6 star wanted level without cheats, your weight fat or skinny or muscular, sex appeal, respect, stamina, Swimming, gambling") ARE REALISTIC. Get it through your thick skulls that some of you are being hypocritical, ALOT of you COMPLAINED that GTA IV sucked because you couldn't Customize cars, or get a hair cut, or work out, or take pictures, or gamble, or change your body weight etc, when ALL of that was REALISM and then you complain that GTA IV was too realistic? no no... fix your words, it was SERIOUS, but HELL no was it realistic, HELL NO, so many limitations, not being able to get a haircut... UN-Realistic, not being able to to lose or gain weight... UN-Realistic, not being able to work out... UN-Realistic, not being able to DIVE underwater... UN-Realistic. That is WHY you didn't like GTA IV, because it was missing all those things, all those REALISTIC things, thus you disliked it because it was LESS realistic than SA. So no, do not tell me again that GTA IV was "too realistic" when SA was more realistic than that game, in fact GTA IV was kinda Un-realistic. GTA IV has more realistic PHYSICS, I'll give ya that, but that's it. everything else is pretty unrealistic. And also, don't say it sucked because it was "too realistic" when it wasn't really that realistic, and GTA SA was MORE realistic. by saying that you want a less realistic GTA game, you might as well buy GTA IV or the GTA games before San Andreas, because that is what your looking for, not SA, because again... San Andreas IS realistic and I proved that with fact. SA is a very realistic game, The people who loved San Andreas are the people who love REALISM. makes no sense how the same people who want less realism hate GTA IV, that game was realistic, it makes them look like they have no clue what there talking about. So instead of using realism as an excuse to why you don't like GTA IV, just say that it was too limited in realism, and that it was too unrealistic for you, OR your reason may be that it was too SERIOUS, BIG difference between seriousness and realism. GTA SA = VERY Realistic, Less Serious GTA IV = VERY Serious, Less realistic Sorry for the long rant, but this has gone on for years, had to clear it up already, in conclusion you dislike GTA IV for being TOO serious, not too realistic, because the game wasn't even that realistic. QUOTE (secksyjames @ Saturday, Oct 29 2011, 04:23)QUOTE (rmisdice @ Saturday, Oct 29 2011, 01:04) People here seem to not understand what Realism in GTA games are... Being able to change clothes, get a haircut, customize cars(that is realistic), take photos, not being able to escape a 6 star wanted level without cheats, your weight fat or skinny or muscular, sex appeal, respect, stamina, Swimming, gambling... IS REALISM, that's the things that MADE GTA SA a success, that IS WHY GTA IV failed a little bit, because it was MISSING those things, and those things("Being able to change clothes, get a haircut, customize cars(that is realistic), take photos, not being able to escape a 6 star wanted level without cheats, your weight fat or skinny or muscular, sex appeal, respect, stamina, Swimming, gambling") ARE REALISTIC. Get it through your thick skulls that some of you are being hypocritical, ALOT of you COMPLAINED that GTA IV sucked because you couldn't Customize cars, or get a hair cut, or work out, or take pictures, or gamble, or change your body weight etc, when ALL of that was REALISM and then you complain that GTA IV was too realistic? no no... fix your words, it was SERIOUS, but HELL no was it realistic, HELL NO, so many limitations, not being able to get a haircut... UN-Realistic, not being able to to lose or gain weight... UN-Realistic, not being able to work out... UN-Realistic, not being able to DIVE underwater... UN-Realistic. That is WHY you didn't like GTA IV, because it was missing all those things, all those REALISTIC things, thus you disliked it because it was LESS realistic than SA. So no, do not tell me again that GTA IV was "too realistic" when SA was more realistic than that game, in fact GTA IV was kinda Un-realistic. GTA IV has more realistic PHYSICS, I'll give ya that, but that's it. everything else is pretty unrealistic. And also, don't say it sucked because it was "too realistic" when it wasn't really that realistic, and GTA SA was MORE realistic. by saying that you want a less realistic GTA game, you might as well buy GTA IV or the GTA games before San Andreas, because that is what your looking for, not SA, because again... San Andreas IS realistic and I proved that with fact. SA is a very realistic game, The people who loved San Andreas are the people who love REALISM. makes no sense how the same people who want less realism hate GTA IV, that game was realistic, it makes them look like they have no clue what there talking about. So instead of using realism as an excuse to why you don't like GTA IV, just say that it was too limited in realism, and that it was too unrealistic for you, OR your reason may be that it was too SERIOUS, BIG difference between seriousness and realism. GTA SA = VERY Realistic, Less Serious GTA IV = VERY Serious, Less realistic Sorry for the long rant, but this has gone on for years, had to clear it up already, in conclusion you dislike GTA IV for being TOO serious, not too realistic, because the game wasn't even that realistic. Having more stuff to do isn't realism. It's having more stuff to do. GTA IV was a WAY more realistic game, in almost every aspect. I don't think you understand. Getting a haircut in San Andreas wasn't realistic at all. CJ would walk in with a buzz cut and then walk out with an afro. PLEASE explain to me how that was realistic. You could manage to buff yourself up to Arnold level in a matter of days. How is that realistic? You could swim under water for like an hour with maximum lung capacity. That's not realistic, because your brain begins to die when you go like, 2 minutes without oxygen. I agree with you, that GTA IV wasn't as fun (IMO) because of these missing features, but that doesn't even remotely mean the game was less realistic. In real life (i.e. realism) if you ran someone over with a car (you shouldn't) they would react the way they do in GTA IV (sort of). In San Andreas, they do the same thing as if you shot them; that stupid flop onto their belly while in mid-air. HOW on Earth is that realistic? IMO, having less features in IV was probably more realistic. I doubt Niko, an immigrant fresh off the docks, wants to attract attention to himself by pimping out an Infernus with spinners and gold paint. It just doesn't make sense. Again, Less Features =/= Less Realistic. I cannot stress that enough. So you are saying that SA IS less realistic than GTA IV because it has less realistic things. yet ALL GTA games have things that are unrealistic, SA has alot of unrealistic things, and so does IV, but overall GTA SA is STILL more realistic. Answer me this... is NOT being able to cut your hair realistic? no it isn't, so don't pull the double standard. the swimming, the haircuts, and etc isn't ENTIRELY realistic in GTA SA, but it's WAY MORE realistic than IV and there is NO denying that. and I'll explain why in a second... the realism makes the game better, not worse, it's just an excuse for "I don't want GTA to be serious anymore", also, you might have not read where I said ". GTA IV has more realistic PHYSICS, I'll give ya that," No ones denying that the physics in GTA IV are more realistic(because they are, and it makes the game even MORE fun, thus proving that realism makes it fun) but everything else in IV, is more limited and that does not relate to reality because in real life, we have FREE WILL. we have the free will to dive underwater, to get muscles and etc, that is reality and GTA IV doesn't have that so that is unrealistic on that part. unlike SA where they AT LEAST give you those options, may be kind of unrealistic because like you said about the haircuts for example "CJ would walk in with a buzz cut and then walk out with an afro.", which is true, but AT LEAST the option is still there, and the free will to do it is still there so it has SOME FORM of Realism to it. unlike in GTA IV where there is NO option/free will to do so, which makes that part(about the haircuts) COMPLETELY, 100% unrealistic, Which just further proves my point... GTA SA is STILL more realistic than GTA IV. GTA SA may not be the most Realistic game of all time, but it is the most realistic GTA game. The realism in GTA SA may not be so realistic, may not be 100% accurate but the fact that it's AT LEAST THERE, makes it MORE Realistic than IV, because IV doesn't EVEN have those things, which means... DING DING DING... LESS realistic. not saying SA is a VERY realistic game, just saying that IT IS the MOST realistic GTA game.(so far at least, we don't know about V) So, AGAIN, if people want to complain about GTA IV's realism they might as well complain about San Andreas(because that was MORE realistic than GTA IV) Fans of the past games(1 through IV) need to move on and think about making an INNOVATIVE game, instead of "I want it to be like San Andreas" or "I want it to be like Saints Row" or "I want it to be like GTA IV", no need to make games that were already made. You know what I want? I want what GTA V is supposed to be... ORIGINAL. I want it be the complete package. I don't like taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Answer me this question... did you like that in GTA SA you could get haircuts, completely customize your attire, and build the way your body looks? just answer with a yes or no. Looks like people ignored my last post when I proved SA was MORE realistic than IV. Also use your words right... I know that EVERYONE wants a MORE Realistic GTA, I know I do. there's a DIFFERENCE between saying that you want the game to be MORE realistic, than saying that you want it COMPLETELY Realistic. Who THE F*CK is asking for game to be COMPLETELY Realistic? that's just putting words in peoples mouth, Of course ANY game that you make COMPLETELY Realistic will suck and be boring, that's common sense. But Also a game that is BASED on something in reality can't be COMPLETELY Unrealistic, that will make the game suck as well. You need to have a balance of both, but it needs to lean MORE towards the Realistic side than the unrealistic side just like SA did. this is GRAND THEFT AUTO, not mass effects, it's about being a criminal, not about killing aliens. GTA SA is the most realistic game, was not the most serious. GTA IV less realistic than SA, and had a serious tone Learn what the word REALISTIC means. REALISTIC: re·al·is·tic (r-lstk) adj. 1. Tending to or expressing an awareness of things as they really are 2. Of or relating to the representation of objects, actions, or social conditions as they actually are Now lets use an example to debunk this, GTA SA let you have the ABILITY to dive underwater, get a haircut, fully customize clothes, work out body image, which has SOME RELATION to reality, EVEN if those features weren't 100% accurate to reality, it is STILL there, so it RELATES TO REALITY. Whereas GTA IV for example DOESN'T have those features so in that way it has NO RELATION to reality. GTA SA is MORE Realistic than GTA IV. use your words better, you guys are talking about GTA IV being too SERIOUS and unrealistic, that's why you dislike it, because you know DAMN WELL that if GTA IV had the REALISTIC features from GTA SA, that you'd be praising it. and Hmm... Why is GTA V getting so much praise? that's right... because it's MORE REALISTIC than GTA IV, even the TRAILER is more realistic than GTA IV. they brought back planes... realistic, made the theme about money/recession... REALISTIC, put SO much detail... Realistic, brought back haircuts/clothing being custom(SUPPOSEDLY, not saying it's fact that it's in the game) Now tell me, PLEASE try to tell me how GTA V isn't more realistic than GTA IV... And PLEASE try to tell me that realism is bad when EVERYONE is going crazy over what they just seen in the GTA V... most of that was REALISM. so to all you GTA SA fans who complained for years and years about GTA IV's "realism" , How come you aren't complaining about GTA V's trailer?... See I love a good amount of realism, games shouldn't be too realistic(sims for example) or too unrealistic(GTA IV for example), they should have balance. GTA V is ORIGINAL(Don't give me that BS that it's gonna be like GTA SA or GTA IV, FORGET about those 2 games, those are past, if you want to play those games, then go play them, no need to recreate them again, just stupid) and looks fantastic, and that just a trailer. so much we don't know about, it's going to be epic, MORE epic than GTA SA and GTA IV COMBINED. All of those post of mine showing how GTA SA is more realistic than GTA IV proved that realism is good (which all those post could be found here at this topic on the last couple of pages---> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=448549&st=0 ) it must have a balance of both realistic and unrealistic because it is a video game, HOWEVER it should lean more towards the realistic side like GTA SA did, that's what made it fun. This topic is not needed, there is already one out there about realism. ( http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=448549&st=0 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippo55312 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 At that point you can hand in your GTA license, because the game will no longer be for you. If you can't handle it don't play it. GTA like all games will one day reach a graphical level which you may find weird, but those of us who understand the difference between non-fiction vs fiction, reality and fantasy will continue to play on. I just think that at that point a ton of people will be uncomfortable with doing gta type sh*t with photo realistic graphics. Not just me. Like there always will be people like you who will be unphased by that sh*t, but there will be alot of people who will find it creepy. It will be tricky territory for Rockstar to navigate, thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratone Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 lol "GTA San Andreas is most realistic than GTA IV because you could dive and get your hair cut". I would comment even more but self-quotes are too forever alone to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldee Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 i'm not coming from anywhere, but in a nutshell, your thread, again in a nutshell, goes: "this sh*t is getting far too realistic that it disturbs me emotionally and scares the f*ck out of me " but you know what? i don't deal with pussies so ill just leave you at that. my best regards however! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoloFleece Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Very interesting thread rmisdice. Well explained too. I notice what you say all the time, ppl complaining that IV is too realistic and they want the fun from SA back. When in actuality, GTA SA is the more realistic game, as you pointed out, the ability to see muscle growth/loss. cut hair, change clothes, customize cars e.t.c those are all realistic features, they relate to reality and are present in reality, hence SA is more realistic than IV. thing is, what the IV haters really want is a less serious tone to the game, they felt IV was too serious for a GTA game. I disagree, I don't think the serious tone should be dropped from GTA V. I just think GTA V should be more realistic than IV, meaning add in more features from real life just like SA had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2Drugs Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 i'm not coming from anywhere, but in a nutshell, your thread, again in a nutshell, goes: "this sh*t is getting far too realistic that it disturbs me emotionally and scares the f*ck out of me " but you know what? i don't deal with pussies so ill just leave you at that. my best regards however! Sigh.... do people really read the previous posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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