Grove Street...

[DarrinPA]

Back on topic - I think there will be a street that resembles Grove Street. Whether or not it's what Rockstar meant to portray - GTA SA fans are going to choose a street and claim it as their own.

 

If R* does pay attention to these forums, I'm sure they know how a lot of the members feel. If R* wanted to get away from everything GTA SA they wouldn't have put GTA V in San Andreas.

[FelipeVinhao]

It's a different story, same setting.

This.

 

Ask Niko who is Claude Speed. He'll return "Claude who?". Their stories never crossed to each other besides the setting. The difference of city layout between GTA3 and GTA4 could even be explained as different point of views.

 

So we could say that "GTA3 universe is over" simply by the fact Niko doesn't give a sh*t about who was Claude. You must think as Niko to understand this, not as the player who played all the games from the 1st.

[Algonquin Assassin]

That said, Madd Dogg, OG Loc and Love Fist are famous musicians. You know them, you may or not like them, but they exist.

 

 

If they exist in the GTA IV universe why are they never heard on any of the GTA IV radio stations? Theoretically speaking by GTA IV they would be very well known, but don't air any of their music, or at the very least appear on radio broadcasts.

 

I understand everything else you're saying, but it seems to be more of a "what if" kind of situation.

 

As far as I'm concerned the GTA III era ended with VCS and chronologically GTA III. GTA IV being a clean slate.

 

 

 

 

[FlavouredMilk]

It's a different story, same setting.

This.

 

Ask Niko who is Claude Speed. He'll return "Claude who?". Their stories never crossed to each other besides the setting. The difference of city layout between GTA3 and GTA4 could even be explained as different point of views.

 

So we could say that "GTA3 universe is over" simply by the fact Niko doesn't give a sh*t about who was Claude. You must think as Niko to understand this, not as the player who played all the games from the 1st.

It's really a mix.

 

I think to end all of this we just must use a spectrum.

 

I'm too lazy to create one, but you know you get like the two overlapping circles.

 

These are the 2 GTA universes.

 

And in the left would be all the key story features of III's era. In the right, all of IV's.

 

And between them all the little things, city names, manufacture brands, companies, music, unimportant characters.

 

Nothing that can't be re-written is crossed over, just small references to add to the continuality and feel of the GTA franchise.

 

I actually want to make a huge graph now just to list all the things that DID cross over and everything that won't/hasn't crossed over. I'm intrigued.

[FelipeVinhao]

That said, Madd Dogg, OG Loc and Love Fist are famous musicians. You know them, you may or not like them, but they exist.

 

 

If they exist in the GTA IV universe why are they never heard on any of the GTA IV radio stations? Theoretically speaking by GTA IV they would be very well known, but don't air any of their music, or at the very least appear on radio broadcasts.

Does this mean Ozzy Osbourne or Guns n' Roses doesn't exist anymore? I've never listened to them on GTA4...

 

What you just mentioned can be considered a technical limitation. You can't listen to them because Rockstar (on the real world) didn't hire someone to act as them, but this doesn't mean they don't exist anymore (on the game world).

 

If it's hard to understand, let's take the opposite direction. Someone who appeared on all games since GTA3, instead of just after GTASA. How about Lazlow? In one of his GTA4 street interviews, one girl remember he worked on Chatterbox. How in fictional Earth he had worked on a radio that never existed?

[FlavouredMilk]

That said, Madd Dogg, OG Loc and Love Fist are famous musicians. You know them, you may or not like them, but they exist.

 

 

If they exist in the GTA IV universe why are they never heard on any of the GTA IV radio stations? Theoretically speaking by GTA IV they would be very well known, but don't air any of their music, or at the very least appear on radio broadcasts.

Does this mean Ozzy Osbourne or Guns n' Roses doesn't exist anymore? I've never listened to them on GTA4...

 

What you just mentioned can be considered a technical limitation. You can't listen to them because Rockstar (on the real world) didn't hire someone to act as them, but this doesn't mean they don't exist anymore (on the game world).

 

If it's hard to understand, let's take the opposite direction. Someone who appeared on all games since GTA3, instead of just after GTASA. How about Lazlow? In one of his GTA4 street interviews, one girl remember he worked on Chatterbox. How in fictional Earth he had worked on a radio that never existed?

Read up a post. I think I summed it up well enough.

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

If it's hard to understand, let's take the opposite direction. Someone who appeared on all games since GTA3, instead of just after GTASA. How about Lazlow? In one of his GTA4 street interviews, one girl remember he worked on Chatterbox. How in fictional Earth he had worked on a radio that never existed?

Lazlow is a real person. He's probably the only link between the outside world and GTA other than of course real world music. If anything I would call those verbal references/eastereggs.

 

I guess this can go around in circles all day. My opinion is based on what I saw in GTA IV. Sure CJ, Claude etc can still exist, but I'll need to see them in person again to change my mind.

 

As this thread is about Grove Street in GTA V I still have my doubts. I think there could be a street that resembles it, but if it's called "Grove Street" I don't know.

 

Kind of like the Ballas and GSF. There could very well be two gangs identical to the Ballas and GSF, but it wont mean it's them. I would say R* will come up with different names and backgrounds. None of the gangs from GTA III and LCS reoccured in GTA IV, so I don't think there'll be any exception this time.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Miamivicecity

[FlavouredMilk]

Just throught I'd throw in a list of what I know returned from III's era.

 

OG Loc.

Maddog.

Maibatsu.

Grotti.

Liberty City.

Las Venturas.

San Andreas.

Vice City.

Claude.*

Tommy.*

CJ.*

A high majority of vehicle names.

Pro Laps.

Lazlow.

 

That's all I can think up off the top of my head. So yes, things have carried over, but actual characters listed and their stories make no return to GTA as of IV. •

 

You guys see it yeah?

[FelipeVinhao]

Read up a post. I think I summed it up well enough.

Ok, got your point. It's my last post for today because it's already very late here.

 

But to not get too off topic and return to Grove Street thing, remember there's a mansion in GTA4's Liberty City that there are a lot of people who believe was Salvatore's, just because it's abandomned. It doesn't resemble GTA3's mansion or isn't even on the same side of the map.

 

The point? Rockstar will put 3 dead-end roads ending on cul-de-sac on GTA5. All them beginning on east and ending west (opposite of GTASA's Grove Street), none with the same houses of GTASA. None named Grove at all. People will still discuss which one was Grove Street.

 

When analysing this kind of thing, put oneself in the shoes of the current protagonist. Why would a simple dead-end street would be important for him if he never lived there? Different universes only makes sense for you as a player. Or all GTA3 and GTA4 protagonists would still find Bubba or Mikki on the streets.

[FlavouredMilk]

 

Read up a post. I think I summed it up well enough.

Ok, got your point. It's my last post for today because it's already very late here.

 

But to not get too off topic and return to Grove Street thing, remember there's a mansion in GTA4's Liberty City that there are a lot of people who believe was Salvatore's, just because it's abandomned. It doesn't resemble GTA3's mansion or isn't even on the same side of the map.

 

The point? Rockstar will put 3 dead-end roads ending on cul-de-sac on GTA5. All them beginning on east and ending west (opposite of GTASA's Grove Street), none with the same houses of GTASA. None named Grove at all. People will still discuss which one was Grove Street.

 

When analysing this kind of thing, put oneself in the shoes of the current protagonist. Why would a simple dead-end street would be important for him if he never lived there? Different universes only makes sense for you as a player. Or all GTA3 and GTA4 protagonists would still find Bubba or Mikki on the streets.

Like the different filters in IV, TBoGT and TLaD? And the different vehicles.

 

Because they're the kind of thing each character is used to seeing the world with... That's how the game is portrayed?

 

EDIT: Also, I'm pretty sure that mansion is infact in III, it's just not the one people keep saying... I swear I had a photo... I'll see.

[EldaRz]

Why wouldn't they? GTA V is set in Los Santos, and Grove Street is a part of that.

These are totally different eras. think twice.

[FlavouredMilk]

Why wouldn't they? GTA V is set in Los Santos, and Grove Street is a part of that.

These are totally different eras. think twice.

Don't start another era war!

 

I do believe they will add it, just as a little reference, it mightn't be exact or labelled or interactive, but I think there'll be one in there.

 

Even if the most resembelance is a car similar to Sweet's always parked at the top. Or just the Johnson house re-imagined. This is R*, re-approaching one of their biggest titles. They'd surely add it.

 

Era/Canon related or not... I mean, just up, I have a list of things that crossed over in the Eras, this wouldn't hurt.

[thestoneman420]

Hey guys...

 

 

Eras.

 

 

[FlavouredMilk]

Hey guys...

 

 

Eras.

 

 

[JoshGTAfreak]

The thing is, if GTA was all the same era, then why aren't any old characters on the police database in IV? Not even any side characters are mentioned. And don't use the "They would be dead, arrested or retired now" excuse.

 

Also, just because an artist exists in one universe, doesn't stop it from being in another.

 

Why is everyone so desperate for it all to be one era? Let go...

[loony979]

Love to see a return of Mad Dog he was a great character in the game .& his missions were great.

Im sure @ least some of the characters will return .Like Rosenberg from VC & SA ...if he comes back in GTA V ill be happy but more happy if Peter Fonda makes a return ..

 

Gotta love the truth....

[Static94]

 

Grove Street gangs were set a while back, it's been quite some years now and the gang would surely be either completely wiped out, or small by now. I'm guessing most of their members would have aged, been arrested and/or been killed. I mean, they'll probably keep the street, but it will be probably ran down and just be a "ghost town". But, I'm guessing the Grove Street area will have some sort of Easter Egg, maybe in one of the original SA characters' house? (E.G. Smoke or CJ's house).

Well you're from the UK so I guess I can't blame you for not understanding LA Gangs. But LA gangs don't die off after a couple years. Gangs like the Rollin 60 Crips, Eight Tray Gangsta Crips, Black P Stone Bloods, Grape Street Crips, Hoovers, Inglewood Family Gangsta Bloods, Denver Lane Bloods, the list goes on and on and on, have been there for DECADES. From the late 60's/early 70's all the way to present day. One LA Gang, the East Coast Crips have over 20,000 members. In other words, they aren't going anywhere any time soon. LA Gangs dont die, they multiply. And seeing as how Grove Street Families was a major gang, it's f*ckin guaranteed they are still there.

f*cking TRUE BRO, a Mexican gang lives near my area in L.A they have been around since the 50's LOL

[Marzipan_jew]

I think they'll add something like it. One thing you gotta remember is that gta3 and san andreas are two completely different animals. GTA3 had a pretty vague version of NYC. It was really its own world, and most of that probably had to do with the limitations of the game. So obviously GTA IV's liberty city is going to be COMPLETELY different. San andreas on the other hand was huge, and very detailed for a ps2 game. It was their 3rd gta game for the ps2, so they were able to add a crap load of stuff. San andreas actually had a great interpretation of los angeles, unlike gta3's interpretation of NYC. So that is why you will probably see more references of the old game.

 

there was simply ALOT more to change from gta3-gtaIV then there is for SA-V

[FlavouredMilk]

I think they'll add something like it. One thing you gotta remember is that gta3 and san andreas are two completely different animals. GTA3 had a pretty vague version of NYC. It was really its own world, and most of that probably had to do with the limitations of the game. So obviously GTA IV's liberty city is going to be COMPLETELY different. San andreas on the other hand was huge, and very detailed for a ps2 game. It was their 3rd gta game for the ps2, so they were able to add a crap load of stuff. San andreas actually had a great interpretation of los angeles, unlike gta3's interpretation of NYC. So that is why you will probably see more references of the old game.

 

there was simply ALOT more to change from gta3-gtaIV then there is for SA-V

 

I agree completely. Fxck, I've been playing SA since the trailer was released and I keep seeing things and think V!

 

I can't help it, because it's accurate enough I can see the comparison, and I know when I play V I'll think SA!

 

Let's just hope they intentionally add some juicy references, they should know how much we love them.

[Della51]

we're in a new era. So, no.

But its the same city? Care to elaborate?

Vinewood needs to be there. That big ass building needs to be there. etc. They exist in real life.

 

Grove Street? Doesn't need to be there. It was relevant to SA, now it's not. So it won't be there. At most they could make a street that looks like it but then, "OMG R* sucks they got grove st. all wrong cry cry cry whine whine whine."

 

the new Liberty City only had the same name, but where was Claude's house? Where was Portland? Where was the stadium? Where was Donald Love's buuilding? Get it?

 

Isn't this the Jefferson Motel? Seems much less important than Grove street.

 

 

 

I have seen many random buildings which were not important to SA, but they still appeared in the trailer. I don't understand why not to put Grove street in? It was a very important part of Los Santos in that era. A street can't last 20 years? Last i checked it was far from the main city so likely not effected by construction.

No doubt Grove street will make an appearance. Thats not to say the characters will, but the street will perhaps with GSF there, or another street gang by a different name wearing green.

 

Also, another thing, not sure if its been discussed, but is it just me or do the blue blocks on the roof of the building on the right seem really out of place? Covering gang tags? Thats my first thought but you wouldnt think r* would put it in the trailer if they had to cover it?

[PabloMikazo]

If GTA IV and SA was two diffrent eras then why the heck did they put O.G Locs and Madd Dogg's CD's in IV..?

Plus if CJ and Grove St is still active I guess if were going to do business we're not going to meet CJ only some of his liutenants

''Greeting's from Mr Johnson.'' or somthing like that.

[Hitman843]

 

If GTA IV and SA was two diffrent eras then why the heck did they put O.G Locs and Madd Dogg's CD's in IV..?

Plus if CJ and Grove St is still active I guess if were going to do business we're not going to meet CJ only some of his liutenants

''Greeting's from Mr Johnson.'' or somthing like that.

Ever heard of easter eggs bro ?

[CJfoo]

DID YOU SEE ANY PLACE OR CHARACTER FROM GTA III IN GTA IV? THEN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE PLACES OR CHARACTERS FROM SAN ANDREAS 2004 IN THIS NEW REMADE LOS SANTOS.

I have already seen MANY places, streets and buildings from GTA SA in the GTA V trailer.....

Things can and should change! That is what keeps the series from getting stale!

 

I think they would be smart and please their fans to include some references to Grove Street and CJ, and so I think they will. Could be wrong, but I am sure Rockstar knows people would want that.

[Bad Girls]

As an easter egg only.

[Marzipan_jew]

I think they'll add something like it. One thing you gotta remember is that gta3 and san andreas are two completely different animals. GTA3 had a pretty vague version of NYC. It was really its own world, and most of that probably had to do with the limitations of the game. So obviously GTA IV's liberty city is going to be COMPLETELY different. San andreas on the other hand was huge, and very detailed for a ps2 game. It was their 3rd gta game for the ps2, so they were able to add a crap load of stuff. San andreas actually had a great interpretation of los angeles, unlike gta3's interpretation of NYC. So that is why you will probably see more references of the old game.

 

there was simply ALOT more to change from gta3-gtaIV then there is for SA-V

 

I agree completely. Fxck, I've been playing SA since the trailer was released and I keep seeing things and think V!

 

I can't help it, because it's accurate enough I can see the comparison, and I know when I play V I'll think SA!

 

Let's just hope they intentionally add some juicy references, they should know how much we love them.

yup. I actually bought SA for my mac just to get a feeling of V. thats all I think too when I play SA now.

[JohnnyVendetta]

FFS PEOPLE... Why does everyone think GTA 3 canon stuff will be in V? THIS IS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE.

 

Did we see Claude in IV? No, but his outfit was there. I'm sure there will be some reference to GTA:SA but this is something new.

[FelipeVinhao]

If people read more than the last page, I have an explanation by why find some and not find other characters in game, but oh well...

[TellEmRye]

Do you think R* would include Grove Street in GTA V? Even if it was all run down, tucked in some small part of the map, I think it would be a cool throwback to SA. What do you think?

Grove Street is iconic.

 

They should throw it in there somehow.

I do reckon they'll do a little mission set there, just for old times sake...

[Ocado22]

I'd love to see it. But new developments seem to be shown a lot in the trailer. So dont be surpised if Grove Street has been demolished and built on.

[PabloMikazo]

If GTA IV and SA was two diffrent eras then why the heck did they put O.G Locs and Madd Dogg's CD's in IV..?

Plus if CJ and Grove St is still active I guess if were going to do business we're not going to meet CJ only some of his liutenants

''Greeting's from Mr Johnson.'' or somthing like that.

Ever heard of easter eggs bro ?

Yes I've heard about easter eggs and even seen my share. But what kind of an arguement is that anyways?