Map Estimation Size

[TheGreene2010]

 

Have you guys played Just Cause 2? That map is f*cking huge. I'm sure Rockstar could make a remade SA with a map about that size. Also Just Cause 2 fit onto one Xbox 360 disc. One other thing to consider is that on the Xbox 360 Microsoft changed the security partition that verifyes the game to be legit. This gained the system an extra 1gb of space for game files.

Yes I have in fact played JC2 and it's amazing how much detail is in that game. If we have a map like that I'd sh*t myself.

[SonofUgly]

 

Alright guys, here you go.  From everything we've seen so far, this is my most reasonable estimate for what the map may possibly look like.  Ive marked off the areas here on google maps to give you guys a good example, rather than post an image.

 

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=...0b9b41d4148a628

Also would like to point out that your map lines up very nicely with the real world locations found so far:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=...086abc5a53cccee

 

But that being said this is only the first trailer, and I think still some areas that we haven't seen.

Edited November 6, 2011 by SonofUgly

[nkjellman]

Have you guys played Just Cause 2? That map is f*cking huge. I'm sure Rockstar could make a remade SA with a map about that size. Also Just Cause 2 fit onto one Xbox 360 disc. One other thing to consider is that on the Xbox 360 Microsoft changed the security partition that verifyes the game to be legit. This gained the system an extra 1gb of space for game files.

Yes I have in fact played JC2 and it's amazing how much detail is in that game. If we have a map like that I'd sh*t myself.

We probaly are going to have a map like that. Another Xbox 360 game to consider that had a big ass map is Test Drive Unlimited. Test Drive Unlimited 2 had 2 big maps. Rockstar can fit all city's in the game on one disc. If they have a large enough story line then you may have to change discs once or twice through out the story line. They didnt do that bad of a job with disc switching on LA Noire on Xbox 360.

 

I do think GTA V will be released on Xbox 360, PS3, PS Vita, possably the Wii U, and PC. Maybe not all at first but it will get on them. Not 100% about the Vita and the Wii U. They will be able to fit the map on those devices. Those are devices that should be powerfull enough to run the game.

[Gifbrah]

I think you guys misunderstood what I'm trying to get at.

 

I know comparing real-life distance to GTAV distance seems like comparing apples to oranges, but seeing the relative scale of things suggests to me that Los Santos is NOT as big as it's being claimed.  Yes, it will be big, but saying that it's 2.5x the size of the Red Dead Redemption map just doesn't seem right.

I think you also misunderstood something. Whoever said that GTA V will be over twice as big as the map in RDR probably meant the whole available terrain including countryside

I got that part. If the map was in fact, 2.5x as big as RDR's map, and Los Santos isn't all that big, then I can't imagine Rockstar making over half the map as country side. There has to be more going on.

[limbfilter]

Alright guys, here you go. From everything we've seen so far, this is my most reasonable estimate for what the map may possibly look like. Ive marked off the areas here on google maps to give you guys a good example, rather than post an image.

 

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=...0b9b41d4148a628

 

 

From first glance, I know people are probably thinking the area I marked off is small.

SMALL?!?!? Are you kidding?

 

 

What you have marked off is like 20 times the size....People shouldn't be complaining about size...

[Halo_Override]

Gonna throw a wrench in here on the map size estimation game. This will also infect some of your minds and you will never be able to unsee it once I've pointed it out (if you've never noticed before)...

 

All people and vehicles in Grand Theft Auto are dwarf versions, when compared to the physical setting.

 

The cars are usually a half-lane wide. Doorways are huge, and so are sidewalks. Hallways and rooms are all large compared to what they should be -- go into one, keeping in mind that your character is around six feet tall, and compare him to the objects around him. (Kitchens are especially good for this.) You can check this in IV and San Andreas for certain; I didn't notice myself until SA, so I can't speak for Vice City or III, but I expect it's the same. V will probably be no different, based on what I've seen in the trailer.

 

This is done so that moving your character around and driving the streets isn't perpetually frustrating for the player. Real-sized urban settings are more difficult to navigate.

 

(Interestingly, LA Noire -- less action-based and built by another studio -- doesn't have this. Red Dead Redemption, I didn't notice it, but since it's mostly a wide-open setting it wouldn't really be needed.)

 

Anyway, my point is that trying to estimate the map size according to landmarks and such is interesting, but keep in mind it's limited by the lack of 1:1 dimensional correlation between the GTA world and the real world.

Edited November 9, 2011 by Halo_Override

[loony979]

Well i think the mape size is gonna be 4xSA easy...with water still round the entire map like other GTA games .

Also there not trying to recreate a real life map.its a game after all.& they have said on R* it will be a brand new type of game or something on those lines.

 

thats it 4xSA water around the entire map....

 

Just my input...& wish....

[Magic_Al]

Earlier in this thread I said I'd measure Red Dead Redemption because it keeps being mentioned as Rockstar's biggest open world map. Then I got mixed up and posted my result in the wrong map thread. Anyway, turns out RDR is not bigger than GTA SA. In fact, a rectangle equal in area to the intended boundaries of RDR would fit inside a rectangle containing the GTA IV map. This shatters the "RDR is twice as big as SA" myth. Measurements described here and here.

• GTA SA is, still, the largest open world by area that Rockstar has ever made: 13.9 square miles, 80% of which is land.
• L.A. Noire is the largest open world city Rockstar has ever released: 8 square miles, all city, bounded by inaccessible scenery of more city beyond.
• RDR's map, counting only area within intended boundaries, is 6 square miles, contained within a rectangle of approximately 14 square miles, some of which is scenery meant to be viewed from within the boundaries and some of which can be explored if the player escapes the boundaries.
• GTA IV's map is about 6.25 square miles, with about 3.13 square miles of land.

Hoping GTA V is thousands, hundreds, or even dozens of square miles is not plausible compared to these games. I expect the difference in square miles from what's been done before will be a single-digit number. The real difference will be in added detail and depth.

[JOSEPH X]

@ Magic_Al. This is a map we made over at the RDR forums showing the difference in size between IV and RDR.

 

 

RDR is bigger, but if you don't believe me go walk from one side of the map to the other in both games.

[Magic_Al]

 

@ Magic_Al. This is a map we made over at the RDR forums showing the difference in size between IV and RDR.

 

RDR is bigger, but if you don't believe me go walk from one side of the map to the other in both games.

Your size comparison isn't far off from mine but your comparison image is distorted. Your overlay of Liberty City is a little too small, and it looks even smaller because you're missing some roads and most of the airport and you're not showing the outlines of the islands.

 

Liberty City is about the same width as all RDR territories except West Elizabeth, but West Elizabeth's area could be divided to fit in the empty corners of the GTA IV map without extending any farther. The land area of RDR is double that of GTA IV, but GTA IV is spread out to be half water, so by helicopter (since we're comparing RDR to GTA) they would seem about the same size.

 

My point is GTA SA is still the "biggest ever" example and the potential of having GTA SA's area with this gen's density of any kind of detail (city OR countryside) is undemonstrated as yet.

Edited November 9, 2011 by Magic_Al

[73duster]

I don't think RDR is a good comparison, because you get around by horse, and THAT adds to the feeling of the map being so big. If you were to fly, or even drive around in an average car, the RDR map would'nt seem so big. Don't get me wrong, RDR'S map was pretty damn large, but when you are traveling by horse, it makes a huge difference. It seems by all indications from Rockstar, that this will be their biggest world yet, and THATS good enough for me.

[Magic_Al]

I don't think RDR is a good comparison, because you get around by horse, and THAT adds to the feeling of the map being so big. If you were to fly, or even drive around in an average car, the RDR map would'nt seem so big. Don't get me wrong, RDR'S map was pretty damn large, but when you are traveling by horse, it makes a huge difference. It seems by all indications from Rockstar, that this will be their biggest world yet, and THATS good enough for me.

I'm not trying to say RDR isn't big enough for the game it is, it's just brought up as an example of how much content Rockstar is capable of putting into a world, so people don't get an unrealistic expectation of how big a game could be.

 

All the city area in GTA IV (3.13 square miles) plus all the country area in RDR (6 square miles plus surrounding scenery), plus water area from GTA IV, PUT TOGETHER is roughly equal to the area of GTA SA (13.9 square miles including a little over 11 square miles of land). That's how hard it is make this stuff in HD: it's spread over two major games instead of being in one.

[BlademanX]

GTA 4 is bigger than that mate...3 square miles nahhh....I think the new map will be about the half the size of Ibiza in TDU 2smaller..maybe 20 square miles of area.... Slightly bigger than RDR i hope!

 

But next gen maybe we can get something the size of London zones 1 to 4.......which is about 15 miles by 15..i.e 200 square miles of area?....dreaming lolol

 

When i leave my house in north west to visit my bro in south east its literally 28 miles about. It takes me about an hour driving average of 50 miles an hour then stop start traffic and going round in a circle to avoid the city! would take half an hour driving 50 constantly

 

will never happen but thats the vastness gamers want I think. To model a massive city and include details!

Edited November 9, 2011 by BlademanX

[crapmadgig]

I bet if u had a car, the RDR map would be smaller than GTA IV. Just cuz u had those slow horses it seemed big.

[skillz7855]

 

I bet if u had a car, the RDR map would be smaller than GTA IV. Just cuz u had those slow horses it seemed big.

put streets and buildings on RDR map and that map will be big.

Edited November 9, 2011 by skillz7855

[Vegetarian Piranha]

well it only took me about 2-3mins (possibly less) to get that end to end achievement thing, so imagine with a car it will probs take 30-secs to a minute

[Magic_Al]

GTA 4 is bigger than that mate...3 square miles nahhh....I think the new map will be about the half the size of Ibiza in TDU 2smaller..maybe 20 square miles of area.... Slightly bigger than RDR i hope!

 

But next gen maybe we can get something the size of London zones 1 to 4.......which is about 15 miles by 15..i.e 200 square miles of area?....dreaming lolol

 

When i leave my house in north west to visit my bro in south east its literally 28 miles about. It takes me about an hour driving average of 50 miles an hour then stop start traffic and going round in a circle to avoid the city! would take half an hour driving 50 constantly

 

will never happen but thats the vastness gamers want I think. To model a massive city and include details!

GTA IV's height and width occupies 6.25 square miles but that area is half water, so yes, the land area is just 3.13 square miles.

[adrian949]

I believe I found something interesting. If you look at the scene where the old guy, the one that looks like old tommy vercetti,who is looking down on downtown; you can see mountains over his right shoulder, which are in a southern direction. I find this interesting because you can tell from the whole trailer that all of the north and east of Los santos is hugged by mountains/hills. Also, those mountains seem to pretty far in comparison to compactness of the Los Santos we have seen so far that they have down sized from real Los Angeles. If you look at a map to see what's south of Los Angeles there is Orange County, San Diego, and Mexico. Will one of these be in the game? I'm really curious to see what's in that area where those mountains are.

[JoshGTAfreak]

GTA 4 is bigger than that mate...3 square miles nahhh....I think the new map will be about the half the size of Ibiza in TDU 2smaller..maybe 20 square miles of area.... Slightly bigger than RDR i hope!

 

But next gen maybe we can get something the size of London zones 1 to 4.......which is about 15 miles by 15..i.e 200 square miles of area?....dreaming lolol

 

When i leave my house in north west to visit my bro in south east its literally 28 miles about. It takes me about an hour driving average of 50 miles an hour then stop start traffic and going round in a circle to avoid the city! would take half an hour driving 50 constantly

 

will never happen but thats the vastness gamers want I think. To model a massive city and include details!

GTA IV's height and width occupies 6.25 square miles but that area is half water, so yes, the land area is just 3.13 square miles.

No offence dude, but some of your maths doesn't add up much.

[jbte]

Well my gta map proposal thread was closed, so i tought it would be a good idea to share this proposal map for GTA

 

 

Still work in progress... ill add many details as possible, as like more roads, forest, mountains, rivers, rails, and of course more places in North America (Alaska, Canada, US, Mexico and central america)

 

Any suggestion for city names and cities?

 

I'll try to update every week or so when i can.

Cheers

[cercata]

These GTA V maps look real.

Acording too the size of the los santos airport road, it's in fact 4 times bigger than san andreas.

 

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2249/yl8ph.jpg

 

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5218/tabp5.jpg

[ECDT1089]

 

These GTA V maps look real.

Acording too the size of the los santos airport road, it's in fact 4 times bigger than san andreas.

 

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2249/yl8ph.jpg

 

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5218/tabp5.jpg

Holy crap that looks awesome. I that looks realistic to me.

[XTREME0235]

 

Holy crap that looks awesome.     I that looks realistic to me.

It's fake, sorry to crush your hopes.

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=493232

[ECDT1089]

Holy crap that looks awesome.     I that looks realistic to me.

It's fake, sorry to crush your hopes.

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=493232

Yeah I saw. Oh well.

[Iroquois]

@ the posters above me

yea if you look closely, its the GTA:SA map without any icons on the map. He just borrowed it from GTA: SA

[Nitrohogs]

I bet if u had a car, the RDR map would be smaller than GTA IV. Just cuz u had those slow horses it seemed big.

put streets and buildings on RDR map and that map will be big.

I think the map will be half the size of San Andreas or it maybe closer to that of GTA IV. Rockstar is not going to reduce the map size to sizes like Vice city.

 

I hope they don't make the desert area too extensive.

[JoshGTAfreak]

Also, when people say the size of RDR, they say it like it was LIMITED to that size. Maybe they made it the size they did, so that it would fit the game. People really need to stop acting like they know R*'s limits. You don't.

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable to say, they could at least make it the size of RDR's map without the invisible walls. That would be HUGE.

[Magic_Al]

 

Also, when people say the size of RDR, they say it like it was LIMITED to that size. Maybe they made it the size they did, so that it would fit the game. People really need to stop acting like they know R*'s limits. You don't.

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable to say, they could at least make it the size of RDR's map without the invisible walls. That would be HUGE.

That would be reasonable, but it wouldn't be bigger than we've seen before, because a map the size of RDR without the "walls" would be the size of GTA SA, almost exactly. If you take the full map image of RDR and use the 133-foot Armadillo train platform as a measuring stick, the full map images is around 14 square miles, give or take the black border around the edges of the "paper".

 

You don't think my math adds up but the nice thing about math is anybody can go do it themselves if they don't believe someone's results.

Edited November 20, 2011 by Magic_Al

[blowtorchrepair]

I took the recent image of the purported V map, dropped it into autocad, and scaled the map up based on a typical downtown block size, measured from google earth in LA. I then measured dimensions of the north and east sides to almost exactly 7 miles x 7 miles, within 0.10 mile.

 

I think that's about the size of Just Cause 2's map.

[RockStarNiko]

I heard that the total map area of GTA V is going to be 5x as big as Liberty city.

 

If that is true, then the question is, 5x the total area? or 5x the total land area.

 

If it is 5x the total land area, we are looking at a total map size for GTA V of 3-4 x 5 = 15-20 sq m.

 

If it is 5x the total area including water, we are looking at a total map size for GTA V of 6-7 x 5 = 30-35 sq m.

 

The city of Los Santos itself is supposed to be approx 2/5 the size of the total map.

 

So the city of Los Santos will either be 6-8 sq m or 12-14 sq m.

 

LA Noire was 8 sq m of pure city, so could the city of Los Santos be 4-6 sq m bigger AND have huge area of countryside?

 

I would love for the map to be 30-35 sq m, because I love huge maps to explore, but thinking about it, I would be very happy with a map 15-20 sq m.

 

San Andreas is 13-14 sq m and that felt very big and is my favourite GTA game, so if V is an extra 2-7 sq m AND has the graphics and detail of GTA IV, that will be great.