Map Estimation Size

[abottig]

R* have confirmed that V will take place in a re-imagined Southern California:

 

 

"Grand Theft Auto V focuses on the pursuit of the almighty dollar in a re-imagined, present day Southern California."

--R* Press Release

 

What comprises present day California?

 

 

Southern California (SoCal) is a megaregion, or megapolitan area, in the southern area of the U.S. state of California. Large urban areas include Greater Los Angeles, Greater San Diego, the Inland Empire and Orange County. The urban area stretches along the coast from Ventura through the Southland and Inland Empire to San Diego. The international border of the United States and Mexico makes up the southern border. Southern California is a major economic center for the state of California and the nation.

--Wikipedia

 

GTA V will be comprised of multiple cities. Just not the ones that we were all expecting. Also, there is a possibility that we get involved in some sort of cross border U.S./Mexican drug war.

[bobgtafan]

How big is RDR in miles is still the real question of the day.

[GR7]

One way to guess the scale of the map is to compare the mountain shown in the trailer to Mt chiliad just a guess but i'm sure we can expect that difference in scale from SA to V's map. Don't let the fact that it's only Los Santos fool you they have been working on the game for a long time almost to the point that some people on the forum were going crazy with desperation with a long amount of silence like that they must have been working on something big.

 

Also the fact that the game has Jets pretty much tells us all we need to know about the maps scale.

[Elric101]

 

How big is RDR in miles is still the real question of the day.

RDR's map is roughly twice the size of GTA:San Andreas which is 13.9 square miles so about 26-32 square miles.

[Matty]

Grand Theft Auto IV's map was actually slightly smaller then that of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - it just isn't as noticeable because of the fact that so much is crammed into the Grand Theft Auto IV map without any open spaces. But the Grand Theft Auto IV map is wider then the GTA: San Andreas map. See comparison below:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/g...omparrison.jpg/

 

Red Dead Redemption's map is probably just under twice the size of GTA: San Andreas' map - though there is a whole lot more open space; it does seem a whole lotbigger as a horse in Red Dead Redemption obviously doesn't run as fast as the average car in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas can drive. Comparison below:

 

So if Grand Theft Auto V's map where to be twice the size of Red Dead Redemption's map, the size of GTA V's map will probably be something like this as compared with Red Dead Redemption:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/gta...omparrison.jpg/

 

 

 

[buzbegone]

Go easy on the large images..

I know hey, my gf is going ballistic at me with my download usage the past few days.

Then put the hand to the ho and show who runs the house.

 

When referring to the GTA V map, I won't be fussed and I'll bring back the ol' quality over quantity angle which I so lovingly support.

[whittle13]

HERE is what is supposedly leaked image of the GTA V's map

 

I don't know what to think, I mean, it looks legit but it isn't like R* to let sh*t slip so easy

Edited November 5, 2011 by whittle13

[TheGreene2010]

 

HERE is what is supposedly leaked image of the GTA V's map

 

I don't know what to think, I mean, it looks legit but it isn't like R* to let sh*t slip so easy

It's been proven fake.

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=491577

 

On another note has anybody given the thought maybe they are going by the Midnight Club LA map as a reference point?

Edited November 5, 2011 by TheGreene2010

[Gifbrah]

I haven't bothered to read the whole thread, but I feel my contribution might help in some sort of way.

 

In this picture, we can see the blue line connecting two buildings-

 

 

On the right is the Sunset Tower building on Sunset Blvd. On the left is the US Bank Tower in Downtown.

 

I googled the distance between the two and it shows this;

 

 

Approximately 10 miles apart. The game, however, appears as if it severely condenses these two distances together. With the risk of sounding like one of those 'San Fierro and Las Venturas' hopefuls, I think that the whole "large-scale LA map" angle isn't all true. There does not appear to be a very long distance between the in-game Sunset Tower and the US Bank tower. I can't imagine how much of the southern portion of Los Angeles they would include. The only interesting thing that's really there is the Port of Los Angeles.

 

Los Santos doesn't appear to be as vast as Rockstar is trying to portray (in my opinion). Also, any claims that Los Santos is 4x (or whatever the latest rumor is) than the Liberty City map are simply bunk.

 

 

 

Anyway, I'm gonna keep analyzing this (when time permits) and I'll keep anyone interested in my findings in the following thread:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=491242&st=0

Edited November 5, 2011 by Gifbrah

[straxi1234]

 

I haven't bothered to read the whole thread, but I feel my contribution might help in some sort of way.

 

In this picture, we can see the blue line connecting two buildings-

 

 

On the right is the Sunset Tower building on Sunset Blvd.  On the left is the US Bank Tower in Downtown.

 

I googled the distance between the two and it shows this;

 

 

Approximately 10 miles apart.  The game, however, appears as if it severely condenses these two distances together.  With the risk of sounding like one of those 'San Fierro and Las Venturas' hopefuls, I think that the whole "large-scale LA map" angle isn't all true.  There does not appear to be a very long distance between the in-game Sunset Tower and the US Bank tower.  I can't imagine how much of the southern portion of Los Angeles they would include.  The only interesting thing that's really there is the Port of Los Angeles. 

 

Los Santos doesn't appear to be as vast as Rockstar is trying to portray (in my opinion).

 

 

 

Anyway, I'm gonna keep analyzing this (when time permits) and I'll keep anyone interested in my findings in the following thread:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=491242&st=0

I'm not an American so I don't know but isn't this where those other locations come in (San Diego etc etc)? I mean to add size to the scale of the game?

[buzbegone]

I'm not an American so I don't know but isn't this where those other locations come in (San Diego etc etc)? I mean to add size to the scale of the game?

Can you please not quote an entire post or at least remove the hyperlink to the quoted pictures?

[Gifbrah]

 

I'm not an American so I don't know but isn't this where those other locations come in (San Diego etc etc)? I mean to add size to the scale of the game?

That's a different thing altogether. I'm implying that any rumor that pops up about Los Santos being 4x bigger than the GTA: San Andreas map is simply bunk.

[Gifbrah]

Here's another example of the map being very condensed.

 

 

The distance from the Santa Monica Pier to the Griffith Observatory is about 17 miles according to google maps.

 

 

 

[JOSEPH X]

The map is very condensed Gifbrah, but we already knew that. Buildings and roads are not going to be in their real life proportions in game - just like Liberty City. From the screenshot you just posted tho, we can already see a gameworld bigger than GTA4.

 

What we need to do to recreate a map is to start converting camera angles from side on imgs into top down imgs, then layering them over each other.

[dimitrispgr]

Comparing those distances between the trailer and the real maps is useless!

 

We speak about a fictional LA...

 

For example in the first picture with the plane, this "10 mile" distance is in GTA IV reality about 10-15 square blocks...

Lets say half the distance in TBoGT between the Club and Luis's Safehouse...

[SonofUgly]

What we need to do to recreate a map is to start converting camera angles from side on imgs into top down imgs, then layering them over each other.

Agreed, we need to take the information on buildings from HERE and make up a some sort of map.

[SonofUgly]

I think we need to get something like this going and just try to get as much information on each shot as we can: street lanes, street direction, any identifiable quality about a building (don't need to know what the real life equivalent is, just need to be able to identify it in different shots), etc.

[dimitrispgr]

I think the closest estimation is the La Noire Map...

 

Do we know how big it was comparing to RDR, IV?

 

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/guides...oire/index.html

[Kraljik]

Here's another example of the map being very condensed.

 

The distance from the Santa Monica Pier to the Griffith Observatory is about 17 miles according to google maps.

 

 

Look man. The scale of the real world and GTA games is a big differences. They don't use real distanes. I would

say that they shorten it more than half of the real world. Because if they used the distance measurment 1:1

let's say GTA IV's would've been the biggest game ever.

[dimitrispgr]

i imagine something like this...

 

 

...with the horizontal distance beeing lets say one of three IV islands in vertical * 3

[Long_Haired_Boy]

Are you guys serious?

 

The game will look nothing like LA in real life.

 

It will be better if you guys were to take the LA area and San Deigo area and make mountians and countryside around them.

[Ispintechno]

Because of all the rural area I'm gonna take a stab and say this will be plenty bigger than LA Noire. What was that, 8 square miles?

We could easily be dealing with 13 or so here.

 

Bet GTA 6 will have 69 square miles

[SheHePaedo]

Because of all the rural area I'm gonna take a stab and say this will be plenty bigger than LA Noire. What was that, 8 square miles?

We could easily be dealing with 13 or so here.

 

Bet GTA 6 will have 69 square miles

GTA VI if on next gen will probably be released for the 20th anniversery in 2017 and will probably have every GTA city in it and be the shape of America.

 

Then I woke up

[john blane]

LC is big. i am still exploring all the little corners of that city.

 

if LS is double LC it will be huge, plus the countryside for mountain biking and bmx suicide leaps.

 

if its 3X as big as LC i will be busy until gta ten comes out.

 

i hope its big. i love a big gta map.

 

 

[RoundTrip]

Could someone please investigate how "true to life", Rockstar is making GTA V?

 

By this I mean. If we can find that there is a certain scale to buildings, distances and or directions ingame,

compared to real life counterparts, we can start pretty accurately guestimating the scope of this game.

 

Someone startes earlier looking up real life distances between buildings identified ingame, via two examples poster with pictures.

 

If the relation between many samples is just about the same (ingame distance is for example about 1/5 of real life) then we have a scale

[Gifbrah]

I think you guys misunderstood what I'm trying to get at.

 

I know comparing real-life distance to GTAV distance seems like comparing apples to oranges, but seeing the relative scale of things suggests to me that Los Santos is NOT as big as it's being claimed. Yes, it will be big, but saying that it's 2.5x the size of the Red Dead Redemption map just doesn't seem right.

 

 

[Eternal Moonshine]

I think you guys misunderstood what I'm trying to get at.

 

I know comparing real-life distance to GTAV distance seems like comparing apples to oranges, but seeing the relative scale of things suggests to me that Los Santos is NOT as big as it's being claimed. Yes, it will be big, but saying that it's 2.5x the size of the Red Dead Redemption map just doesn't seem right.

I think you also misunderstood something. Whoever said that GTA V will be over twice as big as the map in RDR probably meant the whole available terrain including countryside

[TheGreene2010]

Could someone please investigate how "true to life", Rockstar is making GTA V?

 

By this I mean. If we can find that there is a certain scale to buildings, distances and or directions ingame,

compared to real life counterparts, we can start pretty accurately guestimating the scope of this game.

 

Someone startes earlier looking up real life distances between buildings identified ingame, via two examples poster with pictures.

 

If the relation between many samples is just about the same (ingame distance is for example about 1/5 of real life) then we have a scale

See for yourself

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=491242

[Death_Blade]

Alright guys, here you go. From everything we've seen so far, this is my most reasonable estimate for what the map may possibly look like. Ive marked off the areas here on google maps to give you guys a good example, rather than post an image.

 

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=...0b9b41d4148a628

 

I believe this is probably going to be what the map looks like. I think its a bit far-fetched to believe San Diego is gonna be in the game. you have to realize the size and scope of LA as it is. San Diego is quite a large city in and of itself. Large enough for its own game even. As much as Id like to believe that could be part of the game, I highly doubt it. Not only due to its size, but also due to the fact that it would take quite a while to develop that city in addition to something as large as LA. If we do see San Diego in game by some odd chance, its going to be a very small representation im sure, so for the sake of the argument, im going to go ahead and leave it out.

 

From first glance, I know people are probably thinking the area I marked off is small. But in reality, thats really not the case. That area covers a lot more than you realize, and even still, at the end of the day, theres only so much they can fit in the game without making it take up 3 or 4 discs. That area covers country side, mountains, and desert. Everything we saw a little bit of in the trailer. At this point in time at least, its definitely our best guess. I also believe rockstars probably copied something similar to the real world landscape anyway, considering what they did with IV. To try and prove what im saying, look at this map someone else marked off of NYC (done by someone else, not me):

 

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?client=fi...97dc3d997&msa=0

 

That map is almost exactly spot on what we have in GTA IV. Id consider calling it a replica even. A condensed replica of course, but quite a good fake. I cant imagine rockstar doing anything different from this game as well, so im assuming they're going to try and stick as close as they can to the real-world landscape. Obviously the area I marked off is going to be greatly condensed, but Im pretty sure its going to cover each of the major areas there in some way or another. It may go a little further north than I predicted, but in all honestly, I cant see it going much further. Definitely not all the way up to San Fiero again. Maybe some small towns at best.

 

Palm springs is most likely where the other airport is coming in. I could definitely see them adding in a small city like this. Its reasonable to recreate with the time they've spent, and is far enough away to give reason to airplane travel. Its also past a mountain range, which would again, give more reason to air travel. It would be much quicker to fly over the mountain range than it would to try and drive through/around it. At the end of the day, thats ample room for freeroam, and that would definitely make a huge map to play around in.

 

I kinda hesitate posting this on PAGE 5 of this thread where most likely no ones going to see it, but for fear of starting a new topic, ill just leave this here and see what people think. Regardless, im pretty sure we'll see something very similar to this.

Edited November 6, 2011 by Death_Blade

[nkjellman]

Have you guys played Just Cause 2? That map is f*cking huge. I'm sure Rockstar could make a remade SA with a map about that size. Also Just Cause 2 fit onto one Xbox 360 disc. One other thing to consider is that on the Xbox 360 Microsoft changed the security partition that verifyes the game to be legit. This gained the system an extra 1gb of space for game files.