Prostitution

[LateForTheSky]

People claiming that the meaning of life is to reproduce, to keep humanity alive, and thus use that as an argument against homosexuals also make no sense. For, as Nietzsche has said, that is only their interpretation, and might I personally add, it is a hate fueled and ignorant one.

Are you trying to claim that the main objective for humans worldwide isn't to reproduce?

I'd say that's what they're claiming.

You claim that there even has to be a purpose in life. Who said? You don't know the meaning of life, just the same as the rest of us. Sit down.

[K^2]

Dale, I'm sorry, but you're showing yourself to be just as close-minded about the subject. You just happen to be on the majority side of the debate, and that doesn't excuse you.

This doesn't make any sense at all. Care to elaborate, you should be able to do so.

Of course. Always happy to.

 

Homophobia is fear of homosexuals. In the context of "phobia", it's the irrational fear, and irrational fear is characterized by irrational actions in response to insignificant threat. A person who attacks a homosexual individual, verbally or physically, for that alone, is most certainly a homophobe. It's an irrational response to non-existing threat. A person who feels uncomfortable around a homosexual person and maybe tries to migrate to the other side of a room at a party is not a homophobe simply for feeling this way. His actions are, within this context, entirely rational. He harms nobody and feels better.

 

Does he have some underlying issues to make him feel that way? More likely than not, but you can't claim that with certainty. Some likes and dislikes are just that.

 

WhiteAmericanLawman has made responses that betray his insecurities. They aren't terribly unusual, and the fact that he's open about that, at least, is a start. I can conclude from that that he is at least mildly homophobic. But it's some unresolved insecurity that is at the root of that, rather than the dislike for homosexual act itself. Claiming that the later automatically means homophobia is ignorant. It's critical misunderstanding of what a phobia is, where it comes from, and what it forces people to do. Homophobia is bad. Just like any other phobia, it's something to rid yourself of. Feeling a certain way about homosexuals is not fundamentally wrong, whatever that feeling might be. It's part of the personality, and something a person must deal with. It's how the person deals with it that tells us whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

 

Does that help?

[LateForTheSky]

 

Dale, I'm sorry, but you're showing yourself to be just as close-minded about the subject. You just happen to be on the majority side of the debate, and that doesn't excuse you.

This doesn't make any sense at all. Care to elaborate, you should be able to do so.

Of course. Always happy to.

 

Homophobia is fear of homosexuals. In the context of "phobia", it's the irrational fear, and irrational fear is characterized by irrational actions in response to insignificant threat. A person who attacks a homosexual individual, verbally or physically, for that alone, is most certainly a homophobe. It's an irrational response to non-existing threat. A person who feels uncomfortable around a homosexual person and maybe tries to migrate to the other side of a room at a party is not a homophobe simply for feeling this way. His actions are, within this context, entirely rational. He harms nobody and feels better.

 

Does he have some underlying issues to make him feel that way? More likely than not, but you can't claim that with certainty. Some likes and dislikes are just that.

 

WhiteAmericanLawman has made responses that betray his insecurities. They aren't terribly unusual, and the fact that he's open about that, at least, is a start. I can conclude from that that he is at least mildly homophobic. But it's some unresolved insecurity that is at the root of that, rather than the dislike for homosexual act itself. Claiming that the later automatically means homophobia is ignorant. It's critical misunderstanding of what a phobia is, where it comes from, and what it forces people to do. Homophobia is bad. Just like any other phobia, it's something to rid yourself of. Feeling a certain way about homosexuals is not fundamentally wrong, whatever that feeling might be. It's part of the personality, and something a person must deal with. It's how the person deals with it that tells us whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

 

Does that help?

id say if they have to move to the other side of the room, they're pretty scared.

I'd also argue that the irrational fear of gay people (homophobia) is sparked by a lack or misguided education. Therefore ignorance.

Edited November 4, 2011 by LateForTheSky

[K^2]

id say if they have to move to the other side of the room, they're pretty scared.

If they feel like they have to, and something terrible will happen if they don't, then yes. If they simply see an opportunity to move away and take it, it's not.

[aragond]

If GTAV is truly going to reflect reality & diversity of modern day LA, then shouldn't there be male, transgender, as well as drag-queens in the streets?

Well, it would drum up Hot Coffee-style controversy when Fox News add "liberal bias" and "homosexual agenda" to the list rants the Tea Party zombies have against R*.

[PacketOverload_x64bit]

There were alot of homosexuality referred to in IV anyway. What's a manwhore here and there? I just wouldn't pick him up because you know, homosexuality is ONLY hot when two beautiful young women are going at it.

 

[LateForTheSky]

There were alot of homosexuality referred to in IV anyway. What's a manwhore here and there? I just wouldn't pick him up because you know, homosexuality is ONLY hot when two beautiful young women are going at it.

 

exactly! If you don't want to pick up men, then that's cool. The fact your cool with the option being there though shows that you are truly comfortable with your sexuality.

[Dale Nixon]

 

Yes.

What is it then?

I don't know, but when I find out, I'll make sure of it to let everyone know.

 

As Alastair just said, it is just a primary goal that most societies have set it to be. However, that doesn't mean that it is the meaning of life, the reason to live, or the actual primary goal of humanity. Remember, another life is another one's death.

 

''There is an ancient story that King Midas hunted in the forest a long time for the wise Silenus, the companion of Dyonysus, without capturing him. When Silenus at last fell into his hands, the king asked what was the best and most desirable of all things for man. Fixed and immovable, the demigod said not a word; till at last urged by the king, he gave a shrill laugh and broke out into these words: 'Oh, wretched ephemeral race, children of chance and misery, why do ye compel me to tell you what it were most expedient for you not to hear? What is best of all is beyond your reach forever: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. But the second best for you - is quickly to die.' ''

 

The Birth of Tragedy, Friedrich Nietzsche pg. 8.

 

Something to consider. I suggest forming your own thoughts is more important than going what is commonly accepted as the majority consensus.

 

EDIT: K^2, thanks for the post, I'll respond to it in a second.

[BGModder]

Someone move this thread to the Debates & Discussion board.

[LateForTheSky]

Yes.

What is it then?

I don't know, but when I find out, I'll make sure of it to let everyone know.

 

 

this^

[73duster]

No one wants male prostitutes. It was terrible in New Vegas. Complete garbage trash to look at. Women are something desirable, I don't want a fa**ot protag.

What a sad attitude. I kind of liked you up until now.

I agree. I think it would be hilarious to pick up a hooker, only to find out she's a dude. Is'nt stuff like THAT taylor made for the GTA world? It is also REALISTIC as well, whether or not some homophobe does'nt want it in the game. If you can't have fun with that kind of thing in the game, you really should'nt be playing it to begin with.

[Patrick McReary]

lol Is this a troll thread? How many male prostitutes have you seen hanging out on a sketchy street corner in real life?

Depends. Santa Monica in LA is pretty much known for that.

[GTAlove]

Yes.

What is it then?

Life is a mystery, we don't know what it is.

[StickyWickett]

I don't know, but when I find out, I'll make sure of it to let everyone know.

So you don't know if ensuring the survival of your species is the most important thing you can do?

 

Stop being all philosophical, go back to basics. Every other life form on this planet, when observed, simply lives to reproduce. Do we see queen bees leaving their hives and taking their eggs with them because they "don't know" if reproducing is the most important thing they could do? Do we see lions leaving their prides unfertilized because they want to find the meaning of life, something more important than reproducing? I think not.

[ShotGunRain]

Someone lock this topic. People are going off topic.

[tmac9wr]

 

Has anyone else realized that it is sort of sexist for all these GTA games just to have female prostitutes?   

 

Why couldn't the protagonist be a female and she could kill male prostitutes for a change?

 

If GTAV is truly going to reflect reality & diversity of modern day LA, then shouldn't there be male, transgender, as well as drag-queens in the streets?

I haven't read past this post, so forgive me if I'm repeating what others have said...this is ridiculous. Please repeat what you wrote out loud.

 

You're talking about how it's not right that we can only kill female prostitutes...but that we also need to be able to pick up male or transgender prostitutes to kill them too? Aren't there so many better questions to be asking, or subjects to be talking about? We should be wondering if car customization is back, or who the main protagonist is...not demanding the right to bang hookers dressed like the dude from Rocky Horror Picture Show

 

To paraphrase the movie 300:

 

This is blasphemy! This is madness!

 

THIS. IS....WHAT HAPPENS WHEN R* ONLY RELEASES A TEASER AND NO ADDITIONAL DETAILS!!!!!!

Edited November 4, 2011 by tmac9wr

[73duster]

lol Is this a troll thread? How many male prostitutes have you seen hanging out on a sketchy street corner in real life?

I don't know were you live, but EVERY major city has Transexuals in the streets in seedy districts. I don't know why anyone would pretend as if they never saw that anywhere.

[GTAlove]

I don't know, but when I find out, I'll make sure of it to let everyone know.

So you don't know if ensuring the survival of your species is the most important thing you can do?

 

Stop being all philosophical, go back to basics. Every other life form on this planet, when observed, simply lives to reproduce. Do we see queen bees leaving their hives and taking their eggs with them because they "don't know" if reproducing is the most important thing they could do? Do we see lions leaving their prides unfertilized because they want to find the meaning of life, something more important than reproducing? I think not.

Why was I put here if I can't reproduce then? I'm obviously here for some reason, and it's not reproduction.

[Halo_Override]

I don't know, but when I find out, I'll make sure of it to let everyone know.

So you don't know if ensuring the survival of your species is the most important thing you can do?

 

Stop being all philosophical, go back to basics. Every other life form on this planet, when observed, simply lives to reproduce. Do we see queen bees leaving their hives and taking their eggs with them because they "don't know" if reproducing is the most important thing they could do? Do we see lions leaving their prides unfertilized because they want to find the meaning of life, something more important than reproducing? I think not.

Set us up with a link to some scientific evidence proving that there's no homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and then maybe we can talk.

[abottig]

My God, I can only imagine all of the bigoted posts in this thread...

 

My two cents: They should have prostitutes of every gender and sexual preference. I think it would be f*cking hilarious.

 

[StickyWickett]

Why was I put here if I can't reproduce then? I'm obviously here for some reason, and it's not reproduction.

What?

[Collaptic]

Why are some heterosexuals repulsed by the act of two men sexually interacting? You honestly believe we are repulsed by this act simply because we dislike homosexuals? Wrong...

Why do I view it as repulsing, well I'm glad you asked. For one, a penis is being inserted into orifice that was designed for the expulsion of feces, and dead or excess gut bacteria and other endosymbionts. Do you wash your hands after you defecate? I sure hope so... and imagine that, people are washing their hands even though they didn't even come in contact with their feces (aside from their anus), yet homosexuals are fine with inserting a part of their body into this dirty orifice. That's why I find it repulse, personally. Am I a homophobe for having this view point? Well I'm sure most of you will conclude that. But in fact, I don't consider myself to be one, I might find the sexual acts of homosexuals dirty and disgusting, but I certainly am not repulsed by homosexuals just for the fact they are homosexuals. Do you have phobias of people who have lots of sex or people who don't have sex at all? No... why is homosexuality different.

 

And for being offended by words like "fa**ot, fag, fagball, etc." Honestly, suck it the f*ck up. People are harassed, bullied, called names, made fun of all the time. I've been made fun of before, did I make a big deal of it... no. Let me guess, "but making fun of someone for their sexual perference is wrong!" I like how making fun of people's appearances (something they can't keep publicly private) is more social acceptable than making fun of a homosexual for their sexual preference (which they have the luxury of keeping private).

 

basically... STFU AND DEAL WITH IT, ITS LIFE, ITS NOT EASY. Don't bash others for having differing view points.

Edited November 4, 2011 by Collaptic

[BGModder]

 

lol Is this a troll thread? How many male prostitutes have you seen hanging out on a sketchy street corner in real life?

I don't know were you live, but EVERY major city has Transexuals in the streets in seedy districts. I don't know why anyone would pretend as if they never saw that anywhere.

a) Transsexuals are not classified as males b) Tranny hookers don't 'market' themselves as guys, nor do they dress like them (so they still appear to be female, which is most important because Rockstar isn't going to show their genitalia) c) I live in New York City, and have never seen a male hooker working the corner. Most male prostitutes work as 'call boys', or are 'undercover', so to speak. They don't stand on corners in slutty clothing.

[GTAlove]

I don't know, but when I find out, I'll make sure of it to let everyone know.

So you don't know if ensuring the survival of your species is the most important thing you can do?

 

Stop being all philosophical, go back to basics. Every other life form on this planet, when observed, simply lives to reproduce. Do we see queen bees leaving their hives and taking their eggs with them because they "don't know" if reproducing is the most important thing they could do? Do we see lions leaving their prides unfertilized because they want to find the meaning of life, something more important than reproducing? I think not.

Set us up with a link to some scientific evidence proving that there's no homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and then maybe we can talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anima...sexual_behavior This link disproves his idiotic theory that animals aren't homosexual.

[StickyWickett]

 

Set us up with a link to some scientific evidence proving that there's no homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and then maybe we can talk.

Didn't claim there wasn't. I claim that what can be observed in a life forms is the instinct to reproduce, and that is what mammals try to do every time the get the chance.

 

 

This link disproves his idiotic theory that animals aren't homosexual.

 

You seem to have also misunderstood me.

Edited November 4, 2011 by StickyWickett

[Legion64]

Houston, we have offically gone off-topic. Now enabling "abandon thread" emergency.

[Dale Nixon]

Dale, I'm sorry, but you're showing yourself to be just as close-minded about the subject. You just happen to be on the majority side of the debate, and that doesn't excuse you.

This doesn't make any sense at all. Care to elaborate, you should be able to do so.

Of course. Always happy to.

 

Homophobia is fear of homosexuals. In the context of "phobia", it's the irrational fear, and irrational fear is characterized by irrational actions in response to insignificant threat. A person who attacks a homosexual individual, verbally or physically, for that alone, is most certainly a homophobe. It's an irrational response to non-existing threat. A person who feels uncomfortable around a homosexual person and maybe tries to migrate to the other side of a room at a party is not a homophobe simply for feeling this way. His actions are, within this context, entirely rational. He harms nobody and feels better.

 

Does he have some underlying issues to make him feel that way? More likely than not, but you can't claim that with certainty. Some likes and dislikes are just that.

 

WhiteAmericanLawman has made responses that betray his insecurities. They aren't terribly unusual, and the fact that he's open about that, at least, is a start. I can conclude from that that he is at least mildly homophobic. But it's some unresolved insecurity that is at the root of that, rather than the dislike for homosexual act itself. Claiming that the later automatically means homophobia is ignorant. It's critical misunderstanding of what a phobia is, where it comes from, and what it forces people to do. Homophobia is bad. Just like any other phobia, it's something to rid yourself of. Feeling a certain way about homosexuals is not fundamentally wrong, whatever that feeling might be. It's part of the personality, and something a person must deal with. It's how the person deals with it that tells us whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

 

Does that help?

Excellent post, and I have to say, I do agree. But, as the subject was about WhiteAmericanLawman at hand, I felt that was the best way to express my views, however simplistic it was. Let it be known that I definitely do not consider any type of phobia to be THAT simple, I merely simplified it for context, and maybe wrongly so, assumption.

 

And my problem for it being misunderstood that way. Also, I agree with what you've said earlier; no one has the right to not be offended and therefore I don't consider the main problem of racism or homophobia to be that it's offensive, far from it actually. I just conclude it to be simplistic, narrow and extremely ignorant views adopted by people who usually do not tend to think for themselves.

 

But, one question, you say: ''characterized by irrational actions in response to insignificant threat'', and ''A person who feels uncomfortable around a homosexual person and maybe tries to migrate to the other side of a room at a party is not a homophobe simply for feeling this way.''.

 

Personally, I would consider that an irrational action in response to an irrational or insignificant threat. He doesn't respond with abuse to the so-called 'attacker', but moving away from something that is an insignificant thread is to me an indication that this person clearly has some kind of fear or issues with the 'attacker'.

 

Now, you claim that the actions are, within the context, entirely rational; I fail to see how they are personally. For the person that holds this irrational fear need not move at all in reality, there is no actual threat.

 

What do you think?

[GTAlove]

Set us up with a link to some scientific evidence proving that there's no homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and then maybe we can talk.

Didn't claim there wasn't. I claim that what can be observed in a life forms is the instinct to reproduce, and that is what mammals try to do every time the get the chance.

Mammals displaying homosexual behavior.

 

African Elephant

Brown Bear

Brown Rat

Buffalo

African Lion

Caribou

Cat (domestic)

Cheetah

Common Dolphin

Orca

Common Marmoset

Common Raccoon

Dog (domestic)

European Bison

Human

[tmac9wr]

Why are some heterosexuals repulsed by the act of two men sexually interacting? You honestly believe we are repulsed by this act simply because we dislike homosexuals? Wrong...

Why do I view it as repulsing, well I'm glad you asked. For one, a penis is being inserted into orifice that was designed for the expulsion of feces, and dead or excess gut bacteria and other endosymbionts. Do you wash your hands after you defecate? I sure hope so... and imagine that, people are washing their hands even though they didn't even come in contact with their feces (aside from their anus), yet homosexuals are fine with inserting a part of their body into this dirty orifice. That's why I find it repulse, personally. Am I a homophobe for having this view point? Well I'm sure most of you will conclude that. But in fact, I don't consider myself to be one, I might find the sexual acts of homosexuals dirty and disgusting, but I certainly am not repulsed by homosexuals just for the fact they are homosexuals. Do you have phobias of people who have lots of sex or people who don't have sex at all? No... why is homosexuality different.

 

And for being offended by words like "fa**ot, fag, fagball, etc." Honestly, suck it the f*ck up. People are harassed, bullied, called names, made fun of all the time. I've been made fun of before, did I make a big deal of it... no. Let me guess, "but making fun of someone for their sexual perference is wrong!" I like how making fun of people's appearances (something they can't keep publicly private) is more social acceptable than making fun of a homosexual for their sexual preference (which they have the luxury of keeping private).

 

basically... STFU AND DEAL WITH IT, ITS LIFE, ITS NOT EASY. Don't bash others for having differing view points.

I hate to tread off into the insanity being discussed here...but how do you feel about chicks giving a dude head and vice versa? We're licking/sucking on and around the areas where piss comes out of. I'd say most would consider that worse than sticking your dick in the ass of some guy/girl.

[StickyWickett]

Mammals displaying homosexual behavior.

 

*snip*

Like I said, I didn't claim that homosexuality isn't observed in animals, so your post has literally no point.