Rockstar Games Announce GTA: San Andreas

[sabbathfan]

Whilst I agree with the OP I have a point to make.

 

The website for San Andreas went live in August. The game was announced in March. It was May before anyone was told there would be more than one city in the game.

[walkingsickness]

Calm down.

Just the standards then were less than they are now.

If this is "the biggest ever" then I would assume it should take some time to build. with that in mind I hope it takes all the time it takes and nothing is rushed.

 

 

Don't worry I still love san andreas lol.

the funnest GTA ever

Even after the shock of GTAIII started to wear off I was excited of San Andreas.

and yes I loved VC but not as much as SA and III

IV never did it to me.... too much detail not enough shock or humor or fun.

 

I hope they bring that back this time around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you guys are really setting yourselves up for disappointment here...it's pretty clear to me that they're saying we're only going to be having LS and the surrounding areas. They reiterate this again by saying it's a "re-imagined Southern California". I think there's a probability we'll see Santa Barbara, or maybe even a small San Diego too, but all signs are pointing to "no" in regards to a remake of the entire San Andreas world from the previous generation's release.

 

Clearly didn't see the screen shots on the first page or even try to do what the first post suggested.

I see what you are saying.

 

The overall gameplay of SA was the most funnest of all.

I think R* will never rush anything that they make...that being said.

i want them to hurry the hell up and release it already.

 

...you see how much we are talking about it right now..off of one f*cking trailer..

[TruXter]

Whilst I agree with the OP I have a point to make.

 

The website for San Andreas went live in August. The game was announced in March. It was May before anyone was told there would be more than one city in the game.

 

about right.

[Guest]

This is coming from the same people that told us that GTA 5 wouldn't be announced anytime soon. So

Exactly! Up until last week they said they were more focusing on Max Payne 3 than a new GTA

[eatsleepmate]

Honestly, I wouldn't count out Las Venturas at all... Gambling was huge in GTA:SA, I don't think that R* would chance the criticism and backlash they would get regarding the loss of Las Venturas. If this game is heavily based on money... one could only safely assume that we will see a recreation of GTA:SA despite the statement of a recreation of so. Cal or whatever they said...

 

Keep the faith alive!

[tmac9wr]

I think you guys are really setting yourselves up for disappointment here...it's pretty clear to me that they're saying we're only going to be having LS and the surrounding areas. They reiterate this again by saying it's a "re-imagined Southern California". I think there's a probability we'll see Santa Barbara, or maybe even a small San Diego too, but all signs are pointing to "no" in regards to a remake of the entire San Andreas world from the previous generation's release.

 

Clearly didn't see the screen shots on the first page or even try to do what the first post suggested.

No, I checked it out...believe me, if I thought they were just messing with us, I'd be pumped too. However I think they're being very clear about it. I think they're doing that to temper expectations...they've come out and said we'll be touring Los Santos and the surrounding areas...

 

I get that initially the SA post simply said "Welcome to Los Santos" and didn't mention SF or LV...but I'm still not buying it.

[sabbathfan]

I think you guys are really setting yourselves up for disappointment here...it's pretty clear to me that they're saying we're only going to be having LS and the surrounding areas. They reiterate this again by saying it's a "re-imagined Southern California". I think there's a probability we'll see Santa Barbara, or maybe even a small San Diego too, but all signs are pointing to "no" in regards to a remake of the entire San Andreas world from the previous generation's release.

 

Clearly didn't see the screen shots on the first page or even try to do what the first post suggested.

No, I checked it out...believe me, if I thought they were just messing with us, I'd be pumped too. However I think they're being very clear about it. I think they're doing that to temper expectations...they've come out and said we'll be touring Los Santos and the surrounding areas...

 

I get that initially the SA post simply said "Welcome to Los Santos" and didn't mention SF or LV...but I'm still not buying it.

They aren't being clear about it though.

 

Being clear about it would be saying "ONLY Los Santos and the surrounding blah blah blah." or "San Fierro and Las Venturas will not feature".

 

There is ambiguity in the phrasing Rockstar used in the announcement and until it is clarified no one can know for sure.

 

It seems more likely that it will just be LS, but SA is not ruled out until they actually make a point of ruling it out.

[luvmonkey75]

I think that at least Las Ventures will be added to V. I live in Los Angeles and Vegas is a huge past time here much more than Frisco. Also, V is going to be so money oriented that they'd be crazy not to involve gambling and all the illegal activities that surround it.

 

So many possibility. You fly in to Las Ventures in a private jet and the trouble ensues....

[tmac9wr]

Being clear about it would be saying "ONLY Los Santos and the surrounding blah blah blah." or "San Fierro and Las Venturas will not feature".

 

There is ambiguity in the phrasing Rockstar used in the announcement and until it is clarified no one can know for sure.

 

It seems more likely that it will just be LS, but SA is not ruled out until they actually make a point of ruling it out.

No marketing director in their right mind would ever say "Only" when describing a map that they're trying to sell as the "biggest and most ambitious world yet".

 

Remember guys, R* isn't selling this to the die hard fans...they're selling this to the public. In their announcements they're going to focus on what we can do and what we will have...not on what we can't and what we won't. The fact that they haven't come out and directly said "no" about SF, LV, Tijuana or Vice City doesn't mean they're hiding anything.

 

Maybe they are...and then we can all be excited. But until then, keep focused on what we're going to be able to do in SoCal.

[sabbathfan]

Being clear about it would be saying "ONLY Los Santos and the surrounding blah blah blah." or "San Fierro and Las Venturas will not feature".

 

There is ambiguity in the phrasing Rockstar used in the announcement and until it is clarified no one can know for sure.

 

It seems more likely that it will just be LS, but SA is not ruled out until they actually make a point of ruling it out.

No marketing director in their right mind would ever say "Only" when describing a map that they're trying to sell as the "biggest and most ambitious world yet".

 

Remember guys, R* isn't selling this to the die hard fans...they're selling this to the public. In their announcements they're going to focus on what we can do and what we will have...not on what we can't and what we won't. The fact that they haven't come out and directly said "no" about SF, LV, Tijuana or Vice City doesn't mean they're hiding anything.

 

Maybe they are...and then we can all be excited. But until then, keep focused on what we're going to be able to do in SoCal.

I don't mean in the official announcement.

 

They have been totally silent otherwise and you can bet they see all this speculation going on. It's bloody rife. So wouldn't it make sense for them to nip this in the bud as it would only serve to disappoint further down the line?

 

If we haven't heard anything from them in the next few weeks, and people are still speculating about all of San An, then their silence will be tantamount to confirmation. They don't want everyone thinking the game will be bigger than it is.

[TruXter]

one city... not the biggest map ever.

[Dallasa]

And risk of being an idiot, perhaps some proof here that it will just be Los Santos. And yeah, I know that "that site" is often the least reliable place in the world, but the purported dev did have proof to confirm or substantiate his claims... It's an interesting read regardless.

[tmac9wr]

 

Being clear about it would be saying "ONLY Los Santos and the surrounding blah blah blah." or "San Fierro and Las Venturas will not feature".

 

There is ambiguity in the phrasing Rockstar used in the announcement and until it is clarified no one can know for sure.

 

It seems more likely that it will just be LS, but SA is not ruled out until they actually make a point of ruling it out.

No marketing director in their right mind would ever say "Only" when describing a map that they're trying to sell as the "biggest and most ambitious world yet".

 

Remember guys, R* isn't selling this to the die hard fans...they're selling this to the public. In their announcements they're going to focus on what we can do and what we will have...not on what we can't and what we won't. The fact that they haven't come out and directly said "no" about SF, LV, Tijuana or Vice City doesn't mean they're hiding anything.

 

Maybe they are...and then we can all be excited. But until then, keep focused on what we're going to be able to do in SoCal.

I don't mean in the official announcement.

 

They have been totally silent otherwise and you can bet they see all this speculation going on. It's bloody rife. So wouldn't it make sense for them to nip this in the bud as it would only serve to disappoint further down the line?

 

If we haven't heard anything from them in the next few weeks, and people are still speculating about all of San An, then their silence will be tantamount to confirmation. They don't want everyone thinking the game will be bigger than it is.

But that's the thing...not everybody does think the map is bigger than it is. You can bet that 90% of the people who will buy GTA V haven't even seen the trailer yet.

 

Somehow this site has over 400,000 registered names...however that will only account for 2% of the 20 million units (http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/gta5/news/gta_5_sales_expected_to_be_massive.html) analysts are expecting to move in the first year. Of the people on this site, I'd bet only 5-10% of people on this site are still questioning whether or not the map will include all of SA. So R* is looking at potentially upsetting 0.2% of their first-year consumers. I think that's a hit they're willing to take because they know die hard fans such as ourselves would buy this game regardless of where it was. It could be Grand Theft Auto: Moon and we'd all be flipping out about what moon city we'd be playing on...

 

...and the 0.2% would be wondering if they're going to include Mars too since R* hasn't said they won't include Mars.

[TruXter]

And risk of being an idiot, perhaps some proof not here that it will just be Los Santos. And yeah, I know that "that site" is often the least reliable place in the world, but the purported dev did have proof to confirm or substantiate his claims... It's an interesting read regardless.

Nah... I'm good.

[Royal55]

You guys are jumping to too many conclusions at once, it's only been one day, sheesh!

Take a look at this..

GTAIII and GTAIV shared a similar layout, but of course, we all know now that IV was much more detailed and vast compared to III.

My point here is the fact that San Andreas and V might follow this same style, even though it's completely re-imagined city.

Another thing, someone in another thread said the license plates don't matter, even though they clearly say San Andreas right on them.

Why overemphasize the license plates in the trailer? Rockstar knew we were going to analyze this thing as far as possible, so why?

Something seems a little bit fishy here..

We have a nice set of missing puzzle pieces. Also, in the press release, they say that it's 'Southern California' and in GTA terms that would be Southern San Andreas, so technically we have a confirmation of it being "San Andreas".

[hcrealill]

Whilst I agree with the OP I have a point to make.

 

The website for San Andreas went live in August. The game was announced in March. It was May before anyone was told there would be more than one city in the game.

Exactly. It's too late for us to jump to conclusions, especially considering the suspicious similarities between the announcements. It couldn't have been coincidental.

 

 

Besides, this is ROCKSTAR GAMES, folks. They give us what we want, and then throw a whole bunch of other sh*t in too. They know EVERYTHING.

[Raptomex]

lol... back in early 2003 when San Andreas was first announced; everyone here didn't even fathom that San Andreas would include Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas. We all assumed it would only be based in San Francisco, because GTA1's rendition of San Andreas was heavily based on San Francisco.

 

Anyone else remember this fake screenshot from back in the day?

 

Wow, the memories. With this history there could be a tiny chance.

[zeppelincheetah]

if they say it's los santos and surrounding countryside, it will be just los santos and the surrounding countryside. it will be huge, the biggest rockstar map yet but it won't have las venturras or san fierro. this will have a much more realistic in scale. GTA: San Andreas was unrealistic, and much smaller scale than real life.

[Turin88]

 

if they say it's los santos and surrounding countryside, it will be just los santos and the surrounding countryside.  it will be huge, the biggest rockstar map yet but it won't have las venturras or san fierro.  this will have a much more realistic in scale.  GTA: San Andreas was unrealistic, and much smaller scale than real life.

 

As far as I know, they haven't said it's "just" or "only" Los Santos and surrounding areas. Nor have they said SF and LV will "not" feature in the game. Until I hear "just", "only", or "not", there's still a chance it'll be the whole of SA.

 

And who cares about realism? If I wanted a realistic city or state, I'd just go visit LA myself. The GTA series is supposed to be about fun parodies.

[zeppelincheetah]

if they say it's los santos and surrounding countryside, it will be just los santos and the surrounding countryside.  it will be huge, the biggest rockstar map yet but it won't have las venturras or san fierro.  this will have a much more realistic in scale.  GTA: San Andreas was unrealistic, and much smaller scale than real life.

 

As far as I know, they haven't said it's "just" or "only" Los Santos and surrounding areas. Nor have they said SF and LV will "not" feature in the game. Until I hear "just", "only", or "not", there's still a chance it'll be the whole of SA.

 

And who cares about realism? If I wanted a realistic city or state, I'd just go visit LA myself. The GTA series is supposed to be about fun parodies.

you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[mattymcs]

 

August 20, 2004

 

Welcome to the launch of the official Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas website. Welcome to Los Santos.

Featuring the debut of the very first San Andreas trailer.

 

In grand Grand Theft Auto fashion, much more is always to come.

 

 

 

Source:

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/sanandreas/ - Under the "News" Title (Scroll down to bottom of text on right of screen)

 

this is a similar announcement to what was made this time...i understand that this time around the announcement was ever so slightly more specific however i wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of what we'd all seem to like to see in GTAV.

 

im not saying this is "evidence" of anything or that it really changes much...just a small hope that they could do the same thing as they did back then.

 

Thoughts?

The website launch and first trailer was months after it was known there was 3 cities. The timescale went like this

 

March - official announcement of the game, with a handful of screenshots

May - first articles published, giving info on CJ and the fact there was actually 3 cities with space inbetween

August - major website launch with 1st trailer showing los santos

September - San fierro trailer and website update

early October - Los Venturas trailer and website update

late October - release

 

Edit - if fact, if anyone wants proof of this, click on GTA san andreas on the top left of the screen under network, then click news articles and you can see for yourself.

Edited November 4, 2011 by mattymcs

[Tipper]

 

September - San fierro trailer and website update

 

There was no San Fierro trailer. The second trailer for SA featured all three cities :

[ldee]

Well, looks like tmac9wr and sabbathfan represent the best points on both ends of the argument here. And I like how you already predict a 20+ million sales, tmac.

[b4rtsimps0n]

I remember in the lead up to GTA SA, they gave away pretty much everything before release. They even opened up a site with the map of the whole state, and you could click on a lot of key locations and you would see a small video clip or screenshots of the area. Rockstar realised they gave up too much before release, so there weren't so many surprises left when you played the game, and it kind of felt like there wasn't a lot anymore to explore what you couldn't have already seen in the trailers, clips and screenshots. They said that in the lead-up to GTA IV, that they wouldn't show as much of the game as with SA to give the fans some suprises when playing the game and exploring it yourself. If they stick to that now, then who knows how big the game really is and what's included in it, they probably only showed us a fraction of the map, it's just the reveal trailer.

I'm not saying it must mean SF en LV must be there too, just that the map is is probably pretty huge anyway, and that Rockstar sure as hell has some big surprises for us in the coming months.

Just look at some shots in the trailer, where you can see in the distance, you can see far into the distance in the country side, and huge mountains surrounding LS. And if the map is surrounded by water like in every other GTA game, then where is it? The map's gotta be pretty big, and no matter how many cities it'll have, it will be a big playground with everything we want in it. Just from the first trailer, almost everything people were bitching about before and after IV came out is confirmed to be in it.

Edited November 4, 2011 by b4rtsimps0n

[mattymcs]

September - San fierro trailer and website update

 

There was no San Fierro trailer. The second trailer for SA featured all three cities :

Well the site was updated with the san fierro details when the 2nd trailer was issued anyway. But the point still stands, the 3 cities were known about months before any trailer was shown and anyone can prove that for themselves by looking at the GTA.net sister site to this one.

[sabbathfan]

 

September - San fierro trailer and website update

 

There was no San Fierro trailer. The second trailer for SA featured all three cities :

Well the site was updated with the san fierro details when the 2nd trailer was issued anyway. But the point still stands, the 3 cities were known about months before any trailer was shown and anyone can prove that for themselves by looking at the GTA.net sister site to this one.

Yes but the cities were not known about until TWO MONTHS after the game was announced.

[mattymcs]

 

September - San fierro trailer and website update

 

There was no San Fierro trailer. The second trailer for SA featured all three cities :

Well the site was updated with the san fierro details when the 2nd trailer was issued anyway. But the point still stands, the 3 cities were known about months before any trailer was shown and anyone can prove that for themselves by looking at the GTA.net sister site to this one.

Yes but the cities were not known about until TWO MONTHS after the game was announced.

Sorry just re-read what you put. yeah, I know, but way before any trailers.

 

Hey man I'm not ruling out all 3 cities until R* specifically say they're not in the game, which they haven't. I'm just correcting people who say that Los Santos was ever indicated to be the only city in SA, as it wasn't, they were all announced together.

Edited November 4, 2011 by mattymcs

[Knife]

The game was initially announced in May 2004, the press release didn't mention ANY cities. Just a title and release date. The first details of the actual game then came in march, this is the first snippet of info about the game/it's setting released:

 

 

"Five years ago Carl Johnson escaped from the pressures of life in Los Santos, San Andreas... a city tearing itself apart with gang trouble, drugs and corruption. Where filmstars and millionaires do their best to avoid the dealers and gangbangers.

Now, it's the early 90s. Carl's got to go home. His mother has been murdered, his family has fallen apart and his childhood friends are all heading towards disaster.

 

On his return to the neighborhood, a couple of corrupt cops frame him for homicide. CJ is forced on a journey that takes him across the entire state of San Andreas, to save his family and to take control of the streets."

 

It was never hidden, they revealed it was across the whole state from the start. By the time trailer 1 came out, all the cities were revealed and detailed with screenshots and previews in magazines.

[mattymcs]

 

The game was initially announced in May 2004, the press release didn't mention ANY cities. Just a title and release date. The first details of the actual game then came in march, this is the first snippet of info about the game/it's setting released:

 

 

"Five years ago Carl Johnson escaped from the pressures of life in Los Santos, San Andreas... a city tearing itself apart with gang trouble, drugs and corruption. Where filmstars and millionaires do their best to avoid the dealers and gangbangers.

Now, it's the early 90s. Carl's got to go home. His mother has been murdered, his family has fallen apart and his childhood friends are all heading towards disaster.

 

On his return to the neighborhood, a couple of corrupt cops frame him for homicide. CJ is forced on a journey that takes him across the entire state of San Andreas, to save his family and to take control of the streets."

 

It was never hidden, they revealed it was across the whole state from the start. By the time trailer 1 came out, all the cities were revealed and detailed with screenshots and previews in magazines.

well it was announced in march 04 in the same way V was announced a week before the trailer, but that was just the name.

 

link

 

But it was may before any details came out I agree with the rest of your post.

 

Just looking at the first screenshot.. 11th may 04... that must spark some memories for some of us, it sure does with me. Just look at the date s joined this site.

Edited November 4, 2011 by mattymcs

[sabbathfan]

The game was initially announced in May 2004, the press release didn't mention ANY cities. Just a title and release date. The first details of the actual game then came in march, this is the first snippet of info about the game/it's setting released:

 

 

"Five years ago Carl Johnson escaped from the pressures of life in Los Santos, San Andreas... a city tearing itself apart with gang trouble, drugs and corruption. Where filmstars and millionaires do their best to avoid the dealers and gangbangers.

Now, it's the early 90s. Carl's got to go home. His mother has been murdered, his family has fallen apart and his childhood friends are all heading towards disaster.

 

On his return to the neighborhood, a couple of corrupt cops frame him for homicide. CJ is forced on a journey that takes him across the entire state of San Andreas, to save his family and to take control of the streets."

 

It was never hidden, they revealed it was across the whole state from the start. By the time trailer 1 came out, all the cities were revealed and detailed with screenshots and previews in magazines.

No it wasn't. There are numerous articles on gaming websites dated March 1st 2004 which all talk about GTA San Andreas as having just been announced.