Mapping Los Santos! Building/landmark analysis

[Len Lfc]

 

Please, please include the oil field into the equation.

But why the Oil field? Yes I understand it's technically part of the City, but it's not actual City, is it? As in, it's just a field with Oil pumps. It doesn't have any more roads or buildings or anything that looks or actually is City, if you get what I mean.

[MrMusAddict]

Please, please include the oil field into the equation.

But why the Oil field? Yes I understand it's technically part of the City, but it's not actual City, is it? As in, it's just a field with Oil pumps. It doesn't have any more roads or buildings or anything that looks or actually is City, if you get what I mean.

Funny this should be mentioned. I just finished my little analysis of the oil derricks. Take a look:

 

 

 

 

This area is on the far east side of the city, against the hills:

 

[freedom]

Ok here is one with more coverage

 

Edited July 27, 2013 by freedom

[Ferocious Banger]

 

Please, please include the oil field into the equation.

But why the Oil field? Yes I understand it's technically part of the City, but it's not actual City, is it? As in, it's just a field with Oil pumps. It doesn't have any more roads or buildings or anything that looks or actually is City, if you get what I mean.

In that case, we should cut Alderney altogether, for it isn't Liberty City.

 

@freedom

[kleitonnunes2]

Hey people, I have just a question. The Capitol Records building will be in the game ? Since I've never seen it in the screens/videos of LS skyline.

 

[groveSTREETfamily4LIFE]

 

I did my own comparison with the tennis courts:

 

Overall map comparison:

 

I like my maps like I like my women... HUGE!

 

Wait...

[Len Lfc]

Please, please include the oil field into the equation.

But why the Oil field? Yes I understand it's technically part of the City, but it's not actual City, is it? As in, it's just a field with Oil pumps. It doesn't have any more roads or buildings or anything that looks or actually is City, if you get what I mean.

In that case, we should cut Alderney altogether, for it isn't Liberty City.

 

@freedom

But that's not my point. My point is Oil fields aren't city. They are just fields where oil is pumped. Alderney is still City. Yes I agree it is'nt part of Liberty City, but it is still City, It still has buildings & roads, houses, businesses, ect...

[MightyMax]

i love los angeles i think GTA V be best!

[koeklin]

Hey people, I have just a question. The Capitol Records building will be in the game ? Since I've never seen it in the screens/videos of LS skyline.

 

[Ferocious Banger]

Please, please include the oil field into the equation.

But why the Oil field? Yes I understand it's technically part of the City, but it's not actual City, is it? As in, it's just a field with Oil pumps. It doesn't have any more roads or buildings or anything that looks or actually is City, if you get what I mean.

In that case, we should cut Alderney altogether, for it isn't Liberty City.

 

@freedom

But that's not my point. My point is Oil fields aren't city. They are just fields where oil is pumped. Alderney is still City. Yes I agree it is'nt part of Liberty City, but it is still City, It still has buildings & roads, houses, businesses, ect...

In that case, we should remove the northern hills of Alderney. Also, most of the "beaches" of LC were devoid of life, so let's remove them too!

[gtamodeller]

 

I did my own comparison with the tennis courts:

 

 

 

Overall map comparison:

 

 

 

City comparison:

 

Very Nice!

 

How you make the top down view in GTA IV?

 

I trust your work but would be cool to see more top down shots from IV.

[Len Lfc]

Please, please include the oil field into the equation.

But why the Oil field? Yes I understand it's technically part of the City, but it's not actual City, is it? As in, it's just a field with Oil pumps. It doesn't have any more roads or buildings or anything that looks or actually is City, if you get what I mean.

In that case, we should cut Alderney altogether, for it isn't Liberty City.

 

@freedom

But that's not my point. My point is Oil fields aren't city. They are just fields where oil is pumped. Alderney is still City. Yes I agree it is'nt part of Liberty City, but it is still City, It still has buildings & roads, houses, businesses, ect...

In that case, we should remove the northern hills of Alderney. Also, most of the "beaches" of LC were devoid of life, so let's remove them too!

It's clear you're either not willing to understand or just don't want to. Those areas in GTA IV are a lot smaller than the oil filed on the LS map. Do you really see an empty oil field as part of a city? Or even understand what I'm trying to point out? I really don't want to end up arguing, but you can't deny that that oil filed can't be compared in the size of the city when comparing LC to LS. You don't drive around blocks of buildings in an oil field like you do in LC. Your argument of beaches & hills being devoid of life in LC is irrelevant, as they were still part of the city, rather than a field on the boundary of the city. By your logic then, should we also remove the Beach from LS map? Or leave it just because it has more people there. Population isn't what makes it city. An oil field simply isn't city landscape, That's all I'm saying.

 

We are trying to compare the size of the Cities proper. Would you really be happy if LS was half the size of LC, but the other half of LS was just a big oil field, & the excuse used was that the oil field is a part of the city so really it is the exact same size or eve n bigger? No, because it's just a field. Please understand this.

[Ferocious Banger]

 

Those areas in GTA IV are a lot smaller than the oil filed

How does that not mean that those areas didn't have the buildings and roads to drive around in?

 

 

Do you really see an empty oil field as part of a city

Yes. By the way, do you see an empty hill and a plethora of empty beaches as a part of the city?

 

 

Your argument of beaches & hills being devoid of life in LC is irrelevant, as they were still part of the city

 

How so? The empty beaches were a part of LC just as much as the empty oil rig is part of LS. Oh, and do you exclude Middle Park too? You know, there weren't any proper road or buildings to to drive on and around.

 

 

rather than a field on the boundary of the city

Where were the empty beaches and the northen Alderney hills again? In the centre?

 

 

By your logic then, should we also remove the Beach from LS map

Nope. The Vespucci beach is an iconic city landmark; moreover, somewhat like the Hove Beach of LC, this is alive with people everywhere.

 

 

Would you really be happy if LS was half the size of LC, but the other half of LS was just a big oil field

But it isn't. I do agree that LC is wider than LS; but Los Santos from NW to SE is as long as the width of LC. So, the layout doesn't really give you the proper picture.

[davetopper]

 

While things are a bit quiet on the mapping front, I thought I would post these images for debate.

They wont help shape the maps or even provide much detail to the maps, but they are probably worth a look.

 

This shot shows a tunnel like structure in the yellow oval.  It was posted a couple of months ago (can't remember who by, sorry) but nobody replied to it.

There are no visible roads or tracks leading to it, but it's definitely a manmade structure.  Secret entrance to the military base perhaps? 

 

 

The quad bike scene from the gameplay trailer (0:36 sec) has these 3 upright support structures in the green oval.

I was wondering if they are a support structure for a road that is cut through the edge of the hillside, similar to an avalanche tunnel.  Maybe it's a simple version of the pictures below.

 

Any thoughts or ideas?

 

For a bit of a laugh, check out the Fred Flintstone feet on the yellow quad rider in the trailer.

Cheers.

This is very possible, if you look at the boat's view of Bixby bridge, you can see a similar road that tunnels underneath the south end of the bridge. There is a paved road going up from the Lost trailer park up in to the mountains that seems to disappear, it's probably the same thing.

I think that area off in the distance may be this bridge from a further distance. That may not be right either because in your picture I believe that the bridge I have is behind us. In my pic ( Franklin I think ) may have turned the chute away from this bridge, SO. Mystery continues.

 

Edited July 27, 2013 by davetopper

[Len Lfc]

Would you really be happy if LS was half the size of LC, but the other half of LS was just a big oil field

But it isn't. I do agree that LC is wider than LS; but Los Santos from NW to SE is as long as the width of LC. So, the layout doesn't really give you the proper picture.

That one was just an example. I wasn't saying LS was half the size with a big field, I meant IF. & let me point out that I have always recognized it as part of the city, but what I feel you really don't understand about my opinion is that an oil field is not a city like place, it's not somewhere you would go exactly, it's not actual proper city. Yes, it is part of the city, but when you're comparing City size, you should be comparing actual city to actual city. A field or park is part of a city, because it's a leisure destination that people actually use, whereas an oil field is just a place where Oil is pumped from, people don't go there for fun in the real world, do you actually understand my point? Yes Middle park is part of the city, because it is a park, a place where people go to jog, enjoy the scenery, & just enjoy themselves. Every time you reply to me, you're not understanding my point exactly.

[Ferocious Banger]

 

do you actually understand my point

Neither do you. No pedestrian except for the odd yoga guys visits those deserted "beaches" in LC. Nobody except a bunch of hobos reside on the northern hills.

 

 

Every time you reply to me, you're not understanding my point exactly.

I'm tempted to say the same thing.

To make an accurate comparison, we need to chop off these unnecessary, deserted places of both the cities if that's what you want.

[davetopper]

 

oh And made this image that I think I posted in another topic, but figured I'd post it here too:

 

 

Maths is not my strongest subject, but I think it works out.

great scaling. LS is big. country is bigger. which makes me a happy lad.

If that's correct then this map is f**king MASSIVE

 

 

if that's correct.

There is one thing when scaling and mapping what we know of just Los Santos proper, is that All of Liberty City can fit in it. Look at that chunk from 1.6%. That one main road is the size of the city street right off of central park ( or whatever they call it ) and in the map, you can't even see it. Just the big major roads is all you see. And look at Michaels house. You could ask, where? And that would be a fair question.

 

I know how big the city will be. How far out the country side goes. I really do not know. But this will be huge.

 

Edit: This is on top of Michaels house isn't it or am I dipping into my own special greens I use for tacos? I am not really sure anymore. The map has been my obsession. Still the roads you can see on the available map but the small roads that were the basic in GTA IV you cant see at all. Obsessed I tell ya. Can't wait until that week, two wins, the game, the other I will be on vacation. Woot

Edited July 27, 2013 by davetopper

[Len Lfc]

do you actually understand my point

Neither do you. No pedestrian except for the odd yoga guys visits those deserted "beaches" in LC. Nobody except a bunch of hobos reside on the northern hills.

 

 

Every time you reply to me, you're not understanding my point exactly.

I'm tempted to say the same thing.

To make an accurate comparison, we need to chop off these unnecessary, deserted places of both the cities if that's what you want.

No, because that's just problem in video games. In reality Middle park, or rather central park is teaming with people. You can't replicate everything exactly how it is in reality. I do understand your point, but I'm not the one trying to explain to you why an oil field & public park or field are completely different, & how an oil field is not the same as city blocks or residential areas.Yes it's within the city limits (However we really don't know until we find out in game yet) but it's just not the same as a city. That's all. I just think we should be comparing city with city, & not city with city & Oil Fields next to that city.& no, we shouldn't chop off those places. They both serve their purposes each in their own different ways. They are both just very different. What I want is just to be comparing actual city to actual city, that is all, the oil field is just a barren field with oil pumps in it, it isn't the same as to what you're comparing it to.

 

So let me ask you this. Why do you see the oil field as part of the city, why do you view it as something that should be counted the same as Middle park or Vespucci beach?

[freedom]

oh And made this image that I think I posted in another topic, but figured I'd post it here too:

 

 

Maths is not my strongest subject, but I think it works out.

great scaling. LS is big. country is bigger. which makes me a happy lad.

If that's correct then this map is f**king MASSIVE

 

 

if that's correct.

There is one thing when scaling and mapping what we know of just Los Santos proper, is that All of Liberty City can fit in it. Look at that chunk from 1.6%. That one main road is the size of the city street right off of central park ( or whatever they call it ) and in the map, you can't even see it. Just the big major roads is all you see. And look at Michaels house. You could ask, where? And that would be a fair question.

 

I know how big the city will be. How far out the country side goes. I really do not know. But this will be huge.

 

Edit: This is on top of Michaels house isn't it or am I dipping into my own special greens I use for tacos? I am not really sure anymore. The map has been my obsession. Still the roads you can see on the available map but the small roads that were the basic in GTA IV you cant see at all. Obsessed I tell ya. Can't wait until that week, two wins, the game, the other I will be on vacation. Woot

That zoom in is from where Franklin is walking in the trailer. I believe Michael's house is further up a bit. But I am not too sure.

 

Also you might like these:

 

 

[freedom]

How you make the top down view in GTA IV?

 

I trust your work but would be cool to see more top down shots from IV.

I got them here:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1062783445

 

 

[Len Lfc]

The thing with the blueprint map is that it is just very low resolution. People always say it only marks the main roads, but this isn't true. I can see all the details & side streets & such, but it's just very low resolution, so you can't really accurately map them out or use them to map the city. Michaels house is visible on the map too, it's 2 blocks east of the Golf Course next to the main road. As for the size. I am completely happy with LS's size, I would be lying if I said I didn't want the city to be bigger, as it is based of LA, one of the biggest cities in the world. But I am happy with it's size. It looks to me like the perfect city, it seems to have everything I'd want in a GTA city, which is awesome! & that is JUST the city, then theres the rest of the map, holy hell

[davetopper]

oh And made this image that I think I posted in another topic, but figured I'd post it here too:

 

 

Maths is not my strongest subject, but I think it works out.

great scaling. LS is big. country is bigger. which makes me a happy lad.

If that's correct then this map is f**king MASSIVE

 

 

if that's correct.

There is one thing when scaling and mapping what we know of just Los Santos proper, is that All of Liberty City can fit in it. Look at that chunk from 1.6%. That one main road is the size of the city street right off of central park ( or whatever they call it ) and in the map, you can't even see it. Just the big major roads is all you see. And look at Michaels house. You could ask, where? And that would be a fair question.

 

I know how big the city will be. How far out the country side goes. I really do not know. But this will be huge.

 

Edit: This is on top of Michaels house isn't it or am I dipping into my own special greens I use for tacos? I am not really sure anymore. The map has been my obsession. Still the roads you can see on the available map but the small roads that were the basic in GTA IV you cant see at all. Obsessed I tell ya. Can't wait until that week, two wins, the game, the other I will be on vacation. Woot

That zoom in is from where Franklin is walking in the trailer. I believe Michael's house is further up a bit. But I am not too sure.

 

Also you might like these:

 

 

Exactly! It all fits even comparing roads and GTA IV never had a freeway/highway to speak of.

[jameznash]

 

The thing with the blueprint map is that it is just very low resolution. People always say it only marks the main roads, but this isn't true. I can see all the details & side streets & such, but it's just very low resolution, so you can't really accurately map them out or use them to map the city. Michaels house is visible on the map too, it's 2 blocks east of the Golf Course next to the main road. As for the size. I am completely happy with LS's size, I would be lying if I said I didn't want the city to be bigger, as it is based of LA, one of the biggest cities in the world. But I am happy with it's size. It looks to me like the perfect city, it seems to have everything I'd want in a GTA city, which is awesome! & that is JUST the city, then theres the rest of the map, holy hell

 

Everton rule

 

The blueprint map is made up of only the one colour (don't point to its name and say 'no sh*t'). The roads are all there to see as well as each block. But because the map has to create light and dark areas using only one colour you loose the detail. So what's the edge of a road might blend into a path and a garden or something else.

 

You can use the blueprint to get a layout and the screen shots of the map (zooming in and out in character changing) to give the sense of scale.

 

I am also very pleased with the size of the city. There is no point having huge areas of the same type of house or shops etc.. Each type of area is represented by a few blocks which will all be very detailed and wont feel small. It means you don't need to take a 30 minute freeway ride to get from the docks to downtown.

 

They seem to have done the same with the country side as well - each area being unique (not massive - but lots of different areas) desert, mountains, hills, small towns, trailer parks, lakes, rivers. It has it all. That's what will make this game feel huge - not the actual square footage - but the details and diversity.

 

That's why the mappers on this thread have done a great job in showing us all the areas we can expect. Cant thank them enough for making me even more exited to play this game.

[LotusRIP]

Every single map size comparison is largely different. I think people should just give up on comparing map sizes... it's too subjective. You can't compare by the size of tennis courts because they appear smaller or larger depending on how far away the camera's location is. Same with people comparing road sizes - you think all roads are an equal size? Are the huge freeways in LA really the same size as the busy main roads in NYC? I very much doubt it. Could you look at a map of Times Square and then a map of where I live in real life and make a good guess of how big my suburb is? LOL... yeah right, I doubt my main road with a few shops is anywhere near the size of Times Square. People are just plucking sh*t out their arse and calling it a map comparison. Stop it.

 

Also, square miles etc do not exist in videogames. They're called pixels, more pixels, and different coloured pixels.

Edited July 27, 2013 by LotusRIP

[epicluca]

Is there any idea on which the tallest building in the game is? Is it the US Bank Tower again?

[Red XIII]

I know we cant answer this question but how much of the map do you think has been mapped? 70%? 80%?

[GrandTheftAssassin]

I know we cant answer this question but how much of the map do you think has been mapped? 70%? 80%?

80% most likely. I don't think we've seen much of the East, have we? That should make up for the 20% unless there is even more areas to be shown.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

I know we cant answer this question but how much of the map do you think has been mapped? 70%? 80%?

80% most likely. I don't think we've seen much of the East, have we? That should make up for the 20% unless there is even more areas to be shown.

Agreed. We've definitely seen most of the map. I have to say that I'm let down by how little towns there are. There is Sandy Shores, Paleto, and some small retro town.

[The_Majestic]

I know we cant answer this question but how much of the map do you think has been mapped? 70%? 80%?

80% most likely. I don't think we've seen much of the East, have we? That should make up for the 20% unless there is even more areas to be shown.

Agreed. We've definitely seen most of the map. I have to say that I'm let down by how little towns there are. There is Sandy Shores, Paleto, and some small retro town.

Don't forget about Malibu...we haven't seen that yet

 

and the east coast is still a mystery

[Fail_At_GTA]

Guys, there's still a lot of the map left. Don't just assume we have seen every detail. I believe we have seen around 80% of the general layout for only 30% of the details.