Mapping Los Santos! Building/landmark analysis

[dyz]

fixed it =

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

[Landotel]

fixed it =

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

Well I think there are 3 oil fields in LA one being Los Angeles City Oil Field and the other Beverly Hills Oil Field. Though I can't remember the third one.

[dyz]

fixed it =

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

Well I think there are 3 oil fields in LA one being Los Angeles City Oil Field and the other Beverly Hills Oil Field. Though I can't remember the third one.

Yeah but that is to big to be a oil field

[Landotel]

fixed it =

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

Well I think there are 3 oil fields in LA one being Los Angeles City Oil Field and the other Beverly Hills Oil Field. Though I can't remember the third one.

Yeah but that is to big to be a oil field

Only one is the smallest in the city which is Beverly Hills Oil Field

 

 

 

 

Though I might be wrong.

[Yofriends]

But what do you think about that Dutch preview which states that Mount Chilliad isn't situated at one of the map edges, but at the three quarters of the map (so with one quarter of map remaining behind it)?

Because in the Cuban screenshot we clearly see that the other side of Alamo mountain is almost at the map edge, with just a road and a beach before the ocean.

 

As for the pine trees, I'm still skeptical because in the hikers screenshot we can see that those long-branchless-trunks species go down pretty low in the valley.

So either those pine trees species can go down to the near-bottom of the mountain range, or this valley and the peaks above are at a very high altitude, and therefore this mountain range is higher than the Alamo mountain.

My observations don't really contradict that, as I believe that the Cuban screenshot and the hikers shot are on the northeastern part of the map, with the potential quarter being on the northwest side. Personally, I think people downplay the length of the Zancudo River Valley and that may play into the northwestern side being longer and showing a bit more to the north. They may actually be putting more in the west side than many people think, like a Ventura County area blending with almost a Big Sur like element (with the Bixby Bridge). I don't know really what the Dutch review said, I haven't seen it. If it's based on the preview the GTA 5o'clock saw then they may be getting mountains confused like CVG gets somethings confused as well.

 

If you could post or message a link, I'd be more than happy to see it. Though it would need to be translated to english.

Yep, it's a possibility.

 

Here is the quote from the Dutch preview (thanks to freakydude20):

 

"En dan die presentator weer, die ik met 40% van mijn hersenen hoor zeggen: 'O, daar kun je natuurlijk ook heen en het is niet het einde van de map hoor, misschien ligt het op driekwart van de map ofzo'."

 

=> Translated in English:

"And then the host again, who I can hear with 40% of my brains: 'Oh, but of course you can go there and it's not the end of the map, maybe it is at three quarters of the map or something'."

 

[dyz]

fixed it =

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

Well I think there are 3 oil fields in LA one being Los Angeles City Oil Field and the other Beverly Hills Oil Field. Though I can't remember the third one.

Yeah but that is to big to be a oil field

Only one is the smallest in the city which is Beverly Hills Oil Field

 

 

 

 

Though I might be wrong.

Yeah but what is that area i showed supposed to be?

 

[freakydude20]

^

 

 

 

At 1:03, that's the part you are talking about

[dyz]

^

 

 

 

At 1:03, that's the part you are talking about

Yeah but on the map it is to big to be a oil field, i know that there is a oil field near it and it could be an oil field but it looks to big to be one.

[Landotel]

 

fixed it =

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

Well I think there are 3 oil fields in LA one being Los Angeles City Oil Field and the other Beverly Hills Oil Field. Though I can't remember the third one.

Yeah but that is to big to be a oil field

Only one is the smallest in the city which is Beverly Hills Oil Field

 

 

 

 

Though I might be wrong.

Yeah but what is that area i showed supposed to be?

I think this might fit the picture.

 

 

Edited June 30, 2013 by Landotel

[omawnakw]

 

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/9171590...b8e755316_o.png

 

Sorry if it is little to big.

There should be a lot of oil pumps there, the similar area in LA:

http://goo.gl/maps/biLwu oil field in Montebello

And who said there must not be buildings in that area?

There are another similar oil fields around LA where you can find more buildings than by the link above by I can't find where I saved that links for now.

One of that buildings in the game is Covington Engineering Services facilities you can see in many screenshots.

 

I think the oil refinery posted above by @Landotel has nothing to do with the area we discussing.

Edited June 30, 2013 by omawnakw

[freakydude20]

Please don't quote the whole thing again, please

 

OT: Yeah dyz, maybe it is like this:

 

But it really is a big desert...

[The Leprechaun]

 

Yep, it's a possibility.

 

Here is the quote from the Dutch preview (thanks to freakydude20):

 

"En dan die presentator weer, die ik met 40% van mijn hersenen hoor zeggen: 'O, daar kun je natuurlijk ook heen en het is niet het einde van de map hoor, misschien ligt het op driekwart van de map ofzo'."

 

=> Translated in English:

"And then the host again, who I can hear with 40% of my brains: 'Oh, but of course you can go there and it's not the end of the map, maybe it is at three quarters of the map or something'."

Ok, thank you.

 

And Dyz here is an example of the approx. 60-80 sq. mile Midway-Sunset Oil Fields in Kern county

[Landotel]

Yeah okay, but here's an arial view of the L.A.R. (Los Angeles Refinery)

 

[dyz]

Please don't quote the whole thing again, please

 

OT: Yeah dyz, maybe it is like this:

 

But it really is a big desert...

yeah

[omawnakw]

 

And Dyz here is an example of the approx. 60-80 sq. mile Midway-Sunset Oil Fields in Kern county http://www.aeraenergy.com/assets/images/belridge.jpg

The oil fields you have shown are flat but the area marked red ellipse is hilly so no similarities. Check out my post above.

EDIT: Another similar area:

 

http://goo.gl/maps/Q5JuE

 

my old illustration:

 

Covington ES (the right part of the picture with ES building should be up on the hill where the brown tank in the background, you can see the oil pumps to the left and above in the background also)

(click to enlarge)

 

Yet another similar area http://goo.gl/maps/E8UKA

The water tower in the game due it's location relatively to the oil field could be a combination of Vernon Water Tower and 4100 S La Cienega Blvd water tower.

Edited June 30, 2013 by omawnakw

[dyz]

And Dyz here is an example of the approx. 60-80 sq. mile Midway-Sunset Oil Fields in Kern county http://www.aeraenergy.com/assets/images/belridge.jpg

The oil fields you have shown are flat but the area marked red ellipse is hilly so no similarities. Check out my post above.

EDIT: Another similar area:

 

http://goo.gl/maps/Q5JuE

 

my old illustration:

 

Covington ES (the right part of the picture with ES building should be up on the hill where the brown tank in the background, you can see the oil pumps to the left and above in the background also)

(click to enlarge)

 

Yet another similar area http://goo.gl/maps/E8UKA

The water tower in the game due it's location relatively to the oil field could be a combination of Vernon Water Tower and 4100 S La Cienega Blvd water tower.

Thanks

[kibbutz1]

Hi everyone. Just another update on the 3D map I'm making. Below is a comparison of one of the screenshots and the equivalent from my model. As you can see, it seems as if Fido has misplaced the Griffith Observatory a little bit, but other than that, the map is very good!

 

 

As an aside, it is becoming a bit tedious for me to carry on making the 3D map, just going through the buildings. It feels like I'm just confirming Fido's map to be correct. So if anyone wants a particular section of the map modeled, let me know and I'll do my best> Otherwise I'll slowly carry on filling up LS with the known buildings.

[omawnakw]

^Oh, that's great. How do you think could you map the eastern part of the city and the mountain near the area we just talked about more accurately. We have not a lot about buildings but we saw the landscape and the shape of that mountain from different points, and maybe it could help in placing that oil pump shot from the first trailer?

 

Edit: but before that it makes sense to fill the downtown and put the Sierra tower to have the reference points.

Edited June 30, 2013 by omawnakw

[WvanWaas]

As an aside, it is becoming a bit tedious for me to carry on making the 3D map, just going through the buildings. It feels like I'm just confirming Fido's map to be correct. So if anyone wants a particular section of the map modeled, let me know and I'll do my best> Otherwise I'll slowly carry on filling up LS with the known buildings.

I would be most interested to see some birdseye flyover for the city and areas we already know a lot off. That might be the best way to show how big it will be in comparison with other games...

 

With what kind of software do you work at the moment maybe some people can help?

[Solarcellular]

Has anyone discussed the possibility that the map extends to right a bit more? More desert. I remember reading an interview awhile ago where someone mentioned the desert being the games ultimate limit. Obviously the map is an island but I think the map extends to the Northeast more with a lot more desert.

 

Similar to these screenshots...

 

Yeah I still think that.

Bear in mind, there will be more lakes (as stated, "lakes") the desert area will probably be the same size, if not bigger than Los Santos itself,

as deserts usually are! Also don't forget the 'Vast' forested areas, 'Mountain ranges' (remember trailer 1 with the hiking scene?) and don't forget about the farmland a rivers! I genuinely believe all these map people have amazingly created are about 1/ 4th the size of what the map will look like when we take it out of the box!

 

(waits for the 14 year old kids to slate me!)

 

 

[MightyMax]

Bel Air (sometimes incorrectly hyphenated as Bel-Air) is a small, affluent residential community in the hills of the Westside of the city of Los Angeles, California. Together with Beverly Hills and Holmby Hills it forms the Platinum Triangle of Los Angeles neighborhoods.

 

Bel Air is situated about 12 miles (19 km) west of downtown Los Angeles and includes some of the foothills of the Santa Monica Mountains. It borders the north side of UCLA along Sunset Boulevard. At the heart of the community sits the Bel-Air Country Club and the Hotel Bel-Air. The community was founded in 1923 by Alphonzo E. Bell, Sr.

 

It is bordered by Brentwood on the west and southwest, Westwood on the south, Beverly Hills Post Office on the east, and Sherman Oaks on the north. The Bel Air Association has been operational since 1942, dedicated to preserving the aesthetic appearance of the residential community. The Bel Air Association is located at the entrance of the East Gate of Bel Air at 100 Bel Air Road.

 

Residences in Bel Air tend to be hidden from the winding roads of the community. Residences range from relatively modest ranch-style houses, to large mansions. In general, the higher up the mountain, the smaller the building lots, and more modest the houses. Multi-family housing is not permitted and ordinances regarding architectural styles and lot sizes help to preserve the area.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe Bel Air be on GTA V in the game!

[Argon]

 

Has anyone discussed the possibility that the map extends to right a bit more? More desert. I remember reading an interview awhile ago where someone mentioned the desert being the games ultimate limit. Obviously the map is an island but I think the map extends to the Northeast more with a lot more desert.

 

Similar to these screenshots...

 

Yeah I still think that.

 

Bear in mind, there will be more lakes (as stated, "lakes") the desert area will probably be the same size, if not bigger than Los Santos itself,

as deserts usually are! Also don't forget the 'Vast' forested areas, 'Mountain ranges' (remember trailer 1 with the hiking scene?) and don't forget about the farmland a rivers! I genuinely believe all these map people have amazingly created are about 1/ 4th the size of what the map will look like when we take it out of the box!

 

(waits for the 14 year old kids to slate me!)

I'm not 14 years old, nor am I going to slate you.

 

- I'm just trying to warn you that the chance is very small that V's official map is 4 times bigger than any estimate (made by Fido and Kiwi and other great names I'm forgetting). You'll be dissapointed in the end if this is what you're expecting. It even goes against R* claims and statements of the map size.

- The desert area is vague, and it seems to be the area surrounding the satelite dishes and the airstrip. Claiming that it is probably bigger than LS, because 'that's how deserts usually are', is not going to work in this thread.

- Multiple 'lakes' can easily be mistaken for a couple of rivers, but perhaps there are a couple of unknown bodies of water, so yes I'll give you that one: There could be a number of lakes, ponds, rivers and creeks we haven't seen yet.

- I wouldn't expect too much of the vast forest area, because in all fairness, we never had a real forest in a GTA game. SA did not have vast forests, it was a bunch of trees thrown together here and there. We have seen multiple screens with a bunch of trees on a hillside, so I think that would resemble Rockstar's definition of a forest. Nothing like Far Cry or Elder Scrolls, although I admit I hope to see a hidden dense forest somewhere and they showed us with RDR that they're capable of doing it.

- There are plenty of mountain ranges already shown in trailers and shots, and there are still a number of regions where we suspect the presence of a couple of unknown mountains. IMHO, it seems as if there are too many mountains. We all know that there's only limited vertical exploration, and too many steep hills can ruin freeroaming. Also, why are you referring to the hiking scene? It's discussed just a few posts before yours, and the general agreement is that we have seen this mountain range (although there are quite a few people who don't agree).

- Not sure what you mean with the farmland; there is a clear shot of farmland in one of the latest plane screenshots, and another farm area in a previous plane screenshot. Also, there's a region near the (probably) zancudo river (with the grapes) where a number of farms could be located.

 

Most of the general regions that R* announced have been spotted, although there are quite a few misteries left - for example, we've seen and located Sandy Shores, but that's about the only small town we've located. There's discussion on a trailer park on the west bank of the Alamo Sea, a possible Malibu settlement on the western shore, a (small possibility) of a Bay City settlement, and a settlement north of the big mountain range, but none of these locations are accurately located or seen.

 

tl;dr: Very unlikely that we have only seen and mapped 1/4 of the total landmass. If I'm optimistic (and still realistic by using information in this thread), I'd say we have seen 3/4.

[J-B]

 

Bel Air (sometimes incorrectly hyphenated as Bel-Air) is a small, affluent residential community in the hills of the Westside of the city of Los Angeles, California. Together with Beverly Hills and Holmby Hills it forms the Platinum Triangle of Los Angeles neighborhoods.

 

Bel Air is situated about 12 miles (19 km) west of downtown Los Angeles and includes some of the foothills of the Santa Monica Mountains. It borders the north side of UCLA along Sunset Boulevard. At the heart of the community sits the Bel-Air Country Club and the Hotel Bel-Air. The community was founded in 1923 by Alphonzo E. Bell, Sr.

 

It is bordered by Brentwood on the west and southwest, Westwood on the south, Beverly Hills Post Office on the east, and Sherman Oaks on the north. The Bel Air Association has been operational since 1942, dedicated to preserving the aesthetic appearance of the residential community. The Bel Air Association is located at the entrance of the East Gate of Bel Air at 100 Bel Air Road.

 

Residences in Bel Air tend to be hidden from the winding roads of the community. Residences range from relatively modest ranch-style houses, to large mansions. In general, the higher up the mountain, the smaller the building lots, and more modest the houses. Multi-family housing is not permitted and ordinances regarding architectural styles and lot sizes help to preserve the area.

 

http://cdn.destination360.com/north-americ...bel-air-map.gif

 

http://www.chinesetravelers.com/maps/city/...s/image_map.gif

 

http://www.3499dollarmessenger.com/images/la_county_map.gif

 

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/9043560.jpg

I believe Bel Air be on GTA V in the game!    

 

Bel Air will probably be called Richman like it was in SA since we know the name Richman is back from this screenshot.

 

[Argon]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that member celozzip posted his higher resolution version of the screenshot included with L.A noire.

I think there are a number of things more clear on this version, and the eastern mountains are probably shown better, although I'd have to check with the old version. I still can't believe that there is not a single person out there with a scanner and who'd take the effort to make the highest resolution version possible, so we can finally prove there's no landmass south of the bridge.

 

[iTz i Makez HD]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that member celozzip posted his higher resolution version of the screenshot included with L.A noire.

I think there are a number of things more clear on this version, and the eastern mountains are probably shown better, although I'd have to check with the old version. I still can't believe that there is not a single person out there with a scanner and who'd take the effort to make the highest resolution version possible, so we can finally prove there's no landmass south of the bridge.

 

Who has that screen at home so he can scan it?

[Gurjot95]

Love the dedication of people! Map looks huge btw.

[MARKUS.]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that member celozzip posted his higher resolution version of the screenshot included with L.A noire.

I think there are a number of things more clear on this version, and the eastern mountains are probably shown better, although I'd have to check with the old version. I still can't believe that there is not a single person out there with a scanner and who'd take the effort to make the highest resolution version possible, so we can finally prove there's no landmass south of the bridge.

 

Great, I was the guy who uploaded it on the first place, but it's nice to see it better. Good job

[iTz i Makez HD]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that member celozzip posted his higher resolution version of the screenshot included with L.A noire.

I think there are a number of things more clear on this version, and the eastern mountains are probably shown better, although I'd have to check with the old version. I still can't believe that there is not a single person out there with a scanner and who'd take the effort to make the highest resolution version possible, so we can finally prove there's no landmass south of the bridge. 

 

Great, I was the guy who uploaded it on the first place, but it's nice to see it better. Good job

E tio, y el que ha conseguido la foto original no tiene un escaner? Ayudaría un monton y nos sacaría de dudas.

[kibbutz1]

 

As an aside, it is becoming a bit tedious for me to carry on making the 3D map, just going through the buildings. It feels like I'm just confirming Fido's map to be correct.  So if anyone wants a particular section of the map modeled, let me know and I'll do my best> Otherwise I'll slowly carry on filling up LS with the known buildings.

I would be most interested to see some birdseye flyover for the city and areas we already know a lot off. That might be the best way to show how big it will be in comparison with other games...

 

With what kind of software do you work at the moment maybe some people can help?

Something like this? (sorry it's not great, I just made it quickly to see if it was what you had in mind)

 

 

 

And I'm using some free 3D modelling software called Blender to make this.

 

EDIT: just so everyone is aware, most building heights were found in relation to the US bank tower, although I guessed the height of that really.

Edited June 30, 2013 by kibbutz1

[MightyMax]

Commerce/Downtown L.A

Conference Centre/ Los Angeles Convention Center

Downtown L.S./ Downtown L.A.

East Beach/Long Beach

East Los Santos/East Los Angeles

El Corona/El Sereno

Ganton/Compton

Glen Park/Echo Park

Idlewood/Inglewood

Jefferson/Watts

Las Colinas/Los Feliz

Little Mexico/Downtown L.A. (sud)

Los Flores/Boyle Heights

Los Santos International Airport]]/L.A. International Airport

Marina/Marina del Rey

Market/West Hollywood

Market Station/Wilshire/West Station

Mulholland/Hollywood Hills

Mulholland Intersection/US 101 e RS 110 Intersection

Ocean Docks/Los Angeles Harbor/San Pedro

Pershing Square/Pershing Square

Playa del Seville/Playa del Rey

Richman/Bel Air

Rodeo/Beverly Hills

Santa Maria Beach/Santa Monica

Temple/North Hollywood

Verdant Bluffs/Griffith Park

Verona Beach/Venice Beach

Vinewood/Hollywood

Unity Station/Union Station

Willowfield/Willowbrook

 

Sunset Boulevard will be located beverly hills and Bel Air on map real is correct right?

 

 

1)Sunset Blvd at the West Gate of Bel Air

 

Sunset Boulevard is a street in the western part of Los Angeles County, California that stretches from Figueroa Street in Downtown Los Angeles to the Pacific Coast Highway at the Pacific Ocean in Pacific Palisades. The street is an icon of Hollywood celebrity culture and the phrase "Sunset Boulevard" is enduring shorthand for the glamor associated with Hollywood.

 

 

Approximately 22 miles (35 km) in length, the famous boulevard roughly mimics the arc of the mountains that form the northern boundary of the Los Angeles Basin, following the path of a 1780s cattle trail from the Pueblo de Los Angeles to the ocean.

From Downtown Los Angeles, it heads northwest, to Hollywood, through which it travels due west for several miles before it bends southwest towards the ocean. It passes through or near Echo Park, Silver Lake, Los Feliz, Hollywood, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Holmby Hills, Bel-Air, Brentwood, and Pacific Palisades. In Bel-Air Sunset Boulevard runs along the northern boundary of UCLA's Westwood campus.

The boulevard is winding and treacherous in some areas. It is at least four lanes wide along its entire route. Sunset is frequently congested with traffic loads beyond its design capacity.

Sunset Boulevard historically extended farther east than it now does, starting at Alameda Street near Union Station and beside Olvera Street in the historic section of Downtown. The portion of Sunset Boulevard east of Figueroa Street was renamed Cesar Chavez Avenue in 1994 along with Macy Street and Brooklyn Avenue in honor of the late Mexican-American union leader and civil rights activist.

 

2)The Beverly Hills Hotel

Edited June 30, 2013 by MightyMax