GTA V Police Cars & Emergency Vehicles

[Mr.Moffat]

I must add my arguement for the against camp for exotic police cars, no they should'nt be in the game

 

I personally find them to be really tacky looking and do much prefer the standard crown vic lookalikes

Obvilosly for the other reasons stated by lonewolf and rescue about them being completly impractical in a city etc

 

Now for the arguement that gta is a game and should'nt be realistic, ya its a game, but one of the main features of gta is the reaslistic depiction of a city, all the gtas even SA the city was based on the real version of that city so in SA set in 92 the Lspd used chevy caprices and inVC they used Ford LTDS (I think), Its the player himself who is the crazy person in a semi realistic game world, so thats my arguement. Saints row got away with it because nearly everything it that game is zany and over the top plus as far as im aware Steelport is more of an amalgamation of diff US cities and is;nt really trying to replicate a certain city, so they can have the sporty police cars. If gta ever takes place in a city like anywhere city, then ya go for more outlandish copcars.

 

Finally the arguement about them being a challange to escape from? again I disagree, as stated normal US cars can get pretty close to 200 mph. Anyway the cop cars in IV where actually pretty fast, it was the Chase AI that was flawed beyond belief, so giving the cops sports cars is'nt going to make the game harder (it would prob make it worse cause they would would just crash all the time)

 

If R* really focus on the police chase AI then the standard cars should provide pleanty of challange up against even the fastest standard road car, the sports cars the player drives should be able to outrun the cops, but only by really using its speed, but then u reun the risk of crashing, so it balances out.

 

 

Actually just out of curiosity, im sure I've heard that police will call off a chase if its getting too fast, I mean it makes sense having 6 or 7 cars racing down the freeway at 190mph could'nt be safe, so by calling it off and pulling back chances are the suspect would slow down too minimising danger to the public?

Anyone fill me in?

[LoneWolfATL]

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Yes, despite what many may say about police being reckless and endangering the public, if a suspect is too much of a danger to the public to chase then we will back off. If they run through an active school zone or area with a high density of pedestrians we would as well. If a helicopter or unmarked vehicles are involved then it is often possible to track the vehicle and pick up pursuit once the coast is clear or set up a trap once they think they lost the cops. Or if that is not an option, chances are the pursing officers have the tag information and vehicle description, so it would not be difficult to track the driver down. Then there are the idiots in this world that say police pursuits should be outlawed because they are too dangerous and my reply to those hollow headed monkeys is how would you like it if someone ran from a cop, the cop wasn't allowed to pursue so he didn't, and then that perp continued over to your house to rob and murder you because the police couldn't follow up on the runner until a later time? Not to mention everyone would run.

 

Also, while you all are talking about better pursuit AI, I'm sure that many of you recall how in GTA SA the cops would pop up out of nowhere and the police cars could go as fast as anything that you were driving, even if it was the train! It was a whole lot more difficult to get away, but R* most likely did away with this because it was unrealistic. The GTA IV police AI is pretty damn bad, but it's hard for them to weave through traffic the way a human player can. Look at midnight club LA, the cops would bounce off of traffic instead of wrecking and could catch up to your super car doing 200+ with a Caprice, it's much more difficult to get away yes, but very unrealistic. The only way I can see it working out would be to implement a tracking system similar to what was used in Mafia where they put out an APB for your characters description and the description of the vehicle so that even if you lose them they will still be looking for you.

 

One last comment on why exotic cars are extremely impractical. What happens to end a police pursuit? Usually the result is a wreck involving only the runner's vehicle and/or 1 or more police vehicles. If you chase someone with an exotic car and have to pit them or they hit you somehow, think of how much it would cost to repair that stupid thing. I seriously don't understand the facination with these cars. They are fast, uncomfortable, gas guzzling, pancakes with a ridiculous price tag.

[John The Grudge]

In America is there a difference between what traffic police drive and what real police drive? In the UK traffic "police" drive big fancy Volvos while proper police have to chug around in basic Astras and stuff.

[hockeysauce]

In America is there a difference between what traffic police drive and what real police drive? In the UK traffic "police" drive big fancy Volvos while proper police have to chug around in basic Astras and stuff.

Here in NY, most local police forces drive your Lincoln or Chevy basic police car, with county cops having mainly Dodge Chargers, and some state troopers driving freaking Camaro's.

 

Hell, I've seen a red Jeep Cherokee w/ Virginia plates pull somebody over in Harlem. It's crazy lol

[Mr.Moffat]

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Yes, despite what many may say about police being reckless and endangering the public, if a suspect is too much of a danger to the public to chase then we will back off. If they run through an active school zone or area with a high density of pedestrians we would as well. If a helicopter or unmarked vehicles are involved then it is often possible to track the vehicle and pick up pursuit once the coast is clear or set up a trap once they think they lost the cops. Or if that is not an option, chances are the pursing officers have the tag information and vehicle description, so it would not be difficult to track the driver down. Then there are the idiots in this world that say police pursuits should be outlawed because they are too dangerous and my reply to those hollow headed monkeys is how would you like it if someone ran from a cop, the cop wasn't allowed to pursue so he didn't, and then that perp continued over to your house to rob and murder you because the police couldn't follow up on the runner until a later time? Not to mention everyone would run.

 

Also, while you all are talking about better pursuit AI, I'm sure that many of you recall how in GTA SA the cops would pop up out of nowhere and the police cars could go as fast as anything that you were driving, even if it was the train! It was a whole lot more difficult to get away, but R* most likely did away with this because it was unrealistic. The GTA IV police AI is pretty damn bad, but it's hard for them to weave through traffic the way a human player can. Look at midnight club LA, the cops would bounce off of traffic instead of wrecking and could catch up to your super car doing 200+ with a Caprice, it's much more difficult to get away yes, but very unrealistic. The only way I can see it working out would be to implement a tracking system similar to what was used in Mafia where they put out an APB for your characters description and the description of the vehicle so that even if you lose them they will still be looking for you.

 

One last comment on why exotic cars are extremely impractical. What happens to end a police pursuit? Usually the result is a wreck involving only the runner's vehicle and/or 1 or more police vehicles. If you chase someone with an exotic car and have to pit them or they hit you somehow, think of how much it would cost to repair that stupid thing. I seriously don't understand the facination with these cars. They are fast, uncomfortable, gas guzzling, pancakes with a ridiculous price tag.

Oh I definatley don't the car chases to feel to unrealistic, thats one thing 4 got spot on, it reeally felt like I was being chased by a car (Like the AI had to put up with the exact same handling flaws etc as I the player experience when im driving the cop car), as opposed to like you mentioned other games where the cars suddenly have exaggerated top spped and are just immune to any sort of damage, but there are places they could improve without comprimising the realistic feel of the pursuit.

 

Better line of sight, In 4 once the cop car lost sight of you he would slow down and start looking for the player, fine, but the line of sight was really short, as in they would'nt see me, but I could still clearly see the cop car behind me

 

Better ablitiy to negotiate corners at speed (if they improved the cars handling this could help, plus cop cars in 4 really where prone to flipping)

 

When on a freeway lets say, instead of spawning in front of the player and trying to suicide ram him or waist time trying to turn around and get back up to speed, but by then your long gone (plus this little tactic most of the time just resulted in said cop crashing into any cop cars you did have following you to crash completly ruining your chase), how about instead the cop spawns ahead but continues to drive along the road at say 60mph, then as the player got near, it would engage in the pursuit by speeding up resulting in the cop car either getting ahead of the player and attemting to block him, or if the player gets past, by that time the cop car will have more or less matched the players speed allowing to continue the chase.

 

More aggresive AI, in 4 all they did was follow you , they never got ahead of you unless you let them and they coul'nt pit properly , that being said I don't want to act like homing missiles like driver where all they do is drive full spped into you

 

Faster recovery times if they spin out or have to change directions on the fly, (they could even make the AI cheat a little here just so pulling a 180 does'nt result in the cops just getting confused and taking a good 30 seconds just to turn 180

 

these seem simple enough to incorporate i think

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

In America is there a difference between what traffic police drive and what real police drive?  In the UK traffic "police" drive big fancy Volvos while proper police have to chug around in basic Astras and stuff.

Here in NY, most local police forces drive your Lincoln or Chevy basic police car, with county cops having mainly Dodge Chargers, and some state troopers driving freaking Camaro's.

 

Hell, I've seen a red Jeep Cherokee w/ Virginia plates pull somebody over in Harlem. It's crazy lol

Lincolns?

 

Idk if any major police forces uses those. Lincolns are meant to be luxury sedans; it would be an unnecessary cost to purchase a fleet of Lincolns.

[hockeysauce]

 

Idk if any major police forces uses those.  Lincolns are meant to be luxury sedans; it would be an unnecessary cost to purchase a fleet of Lincolns.

 

 

Yeah, I meant Ford, not Lincoln.

 

I've seens some undercover's in Lincolns in NYC, but for whatever reason the model I had pictured in my head I thought was a lincoln, but after a quick google I realize it's a Ford.

[xRescue2x]

Idk if any major police forces uses those.  Lincolns are meant to be luxury sedans; it would be an unnecessary cost to purchase a fleet of Lincolns.

 

 

Yeah, I meant Ford, not Lincoln.

 

I've seens some undercover's in Lincolns in NYC, but for whatever reason the model I had pictured in my head I thought was a lincoln, but after a quick google I realize it's a Ford.

I live in New York State too, I was gonna say, I've never seen a Lincoln cop car!

[LoneWolfATL]

I questioned the Lincoln comment as well, but I assume he is referring to the Crown Vic.

 

And good suggestions Mr.Moffat

[USAPatriot]

You can sort of make the Vapid Cruiser look like the new Chevrolet Caprice if you squint your eyes.

 

 

[xNewtype Acex]

 

Alright, you stupid mother f*cker. I'm going to end this.

 

This guy keeps getting his horrible points called out and finally snap, only to resort to using insults like a kid.

 

 

Grand Theft Auto V, that's a video game, yes we all know. It's made up of STREETS. Have you ever seen/ heard of an exotic police car in pursuit making it around all those curbs? Probably not.

 

Have you even been reading my goddamn posts?

 

I've been saying that if there were exotic cop cars they wouldn't be in the city streets, since the beginning of our argument I've been saying how that's a horrible idea, but rather in the highways and other places where you're going to be driving at top speeds.

 

You know, a High Speed Pursuit Squadron, like I've been saying a million times or are you getting so goddamn butthurt you can't even read straight anymore?

 

 

This is Grand Theft Auto, and like most video games, this one is realistic. You have the choice not to be, by wrecking sh*t, but it's obvious that we all disagree with you. APC's from TBoGT were and still are realistic. They are made to be that way, and a made for a city with a high crime rate such as New York.

 

I'm sorry buddy but most video games are in fact not realistic, if you think GTA is the epitome of realism , then it looks like you are the "stupid motherfrucker".

 

 

The Police Buffalo in NO way whatsoever was exotic. It's a mock-up of a Dodge Charger, and the Police Stinger is a mock-up of the Cadillac CTS-V. That is only realistic because it can be made for policing and has good performance. It's not like it's a Lambo or something that looks like it got run over by a f*cking monster truck because of its flatness.

 

And as I've already said a shltload of times, the Cadillac CTS-V mock up featured in IV is based on a police unite from Michigan, not New York, so why can't R* do the same in V? Like they take the Bloomfield Hills Police Corvette and turn it into a high speed pursuit vehicle in for V.

 

How hard is it to understand that concept really? But nope, apparently you think that would destroy the series.

 

 

Saints Row had these only because that game is unrealistic, and you'll know it when you see a giant truck with a human cannon on it.

 

Saint's Row has nothing to do with this, I know you wanna try and change the subject, but let's keep it in GTA.

 

 

That's all unrealistic, and if GTA was, we'd have exotic police cars, but we don't because it IS in fact realistic, and that why were getting vehicles made for policing such as the Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, and that's all we know as of now.

 

But GTA IS unrealistic, it has always been unrealistic, have you even played the goddamn game? If anything it's true I'd say IV is more realistic than the classic ones, but it is in no way a realistic game, if you really believe that, you need to get your head out of your arse, play a simulator if you want horrible realism, like ARMA II or Project Reality for BF2, hell even Mafia II is more realistic than GTA, as it actually has traffic laws to follow, and a more indepth Wanted System.

 

 

SO, stop your arguing because it's a case, you got your point to all of us, and we denied it and me and everybody else in the damn forum are sick of hearing you bitch. So get the f*ck out of here.

 

Nah, I'm still gonna argue because of idiots like you who shoot down any good idea for a game because "HURR DURR B-B-BUT IT'S NOT REALISTIC"

 

As if being able to survive multiple car crashes, explosions and gunshot wounds is.

Edited April 26, 2012 by xNewtype Acex

[UP9390]

The only car I could see that is not a standard one used by police that could be in GTA V as a cop car is a Dodge Challenger, Chevrolet Camero, maybe a Ford Mustang.

[MikeWh]

In America is there a difference between what traffic police drive and what real police drive? In the UK traffic "police" drive big fancy Volvos while proper police have to chug around in basic Astras and stuff.

Depends on force area, here in Staffordshire we get 1.8L Focuses as standard patrol cars and Roads Policing/CMPG (no traffic department) get BMWs, Jaguars and other such cars - West Mids are just kitting their response shifts out with brand new 2.2L Insignias and 2.8L Insig VXRs, so not all bad.

[Death2Drugs]

Who wants an LSFD Foam Tender?

 

 

I hope R* adds more fire trucks in the game (probably not). No Fire Department in the world uses just 1 fire truck model. The LAFD uses basic firetrucks, foam tender, LAX crash response, ladder trucks, etc. None of this stuff was in IV.

 

Also, what bugged me in previous Grand Theft Autos was that the paramedics were ALWAYS separated from FDs. Instead of following American protocols, R* decided to use British-Irish/European protocols in making the medical services their own department. For example, in Europe you'll find separate paramedic services (London Ambulance Service, Irish Ambulance Service, etc) and R* decided to use this and created a fictional "Liberty City Medical Service". Of course, there is no such thing as a "New York Ambulance Service", etc. Paramedics in New York, and in all major American cities, are integrated with their Fire Department rather than their own service.

 

Another thing that bugged me about the firetrucks in GTA IV was that all the firetrucks were numbered "69". Of course, I hate that old sex joke, but it also creates an extremely unrealistic feel. Not every firetruck would have the same unit number! I hope they randomize numbers on firetrucks like they will do with the police cars!

Edited April 27, 2012 by Death2Drugs

[hockeysauce]

I questioned the Lincoln comment as well, but I assume he is referring to the Crown Vic.

 

And good suggestions Mr.Moffat

I don't know why I thought the Crown Vic was a Lincoln Towncar. Probably the pot. Yeah, the pot.

[xRescue2x]

I wouldn't mind a tanker, but not a foam tender. A brush unit if anything could be added. I'm going to ignore everything that that idiot says. If you're against exotic police cars in V, do the same.

[MikeChase69]

Oi, Newtype Arse, no one here was trying to deny the existance of such cars, stop taking things out of proportion. If you agree that exotic cars are not an appropriate option for operational police duties, then stop your whinging.

 

How many times have you been pulled over by a police officer driving a Lamborghini? Have you ever actually seen one for yourself, apart from internet pictures?

 

The reason for this is because they are not suited to the type of work policing subjects them to. When used for highway patrols even, they are likely to end up looking like this:

 

 

These vehicles are purchased by police departments to be used for either promotional value or to increase public relations.

 

Note: See how I did not deny the existance of these vehicles......

 

Cheers!

Actually that particular lambo police car (which is in italy) was a gift from lamborghini.

 

 

Lamborghini donates the new "Gallardo LP560-4 Polizia" to the Italian State Police A private ceremony was held today at the Viminale Palace where Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. donated a police version of the company's newest super sports car, Gallardo LP560-4 Polizia, to the head of the Italian State Police

 

Source: http://jalopnik.com/5068397/italian-state-...ardo-police-car

 

And PWNED!

How did you pwn him?

[xNewtype Acex]

 

I'm going to ignore everything that that idiot says. If you're against exotic police cars in V, do the same.

 

Once again, this guy gets all his points proven wrong so he devolves into childish name calling, the equivalent of a 12 year old throwing a tantrum because mommy called him out on his bullshlt.

 

Why don't you make a Anti-Exotic Police Car support group? You guys could go to the R* HQ and tell them about how this is going to ruin GTA V and make them go bankrupt because one single idea is not 100% realistic.

[lixah]

I sent the email. Totally agree they need newer crown vics in there! atleast ~02 model style

[hendrixforever]

hendrixforever WOW good work. Wish i had pc that could handle gta iv tounge.gif

[hendrixforever]

 

hendrixforever WOW good work. Wish i had pc that could handle gta iv tounge.gif

 

Thank you! I just thought it would be nice have that kind of variety of cars.

 

 

[BirthOfMayhem]

Now that MP3 is out, I'd like to revisit this topic.

 

As you might know, there are many scenes in Max Payne 3 that involve strobe lights flashing in nightclubs. Now that we know that R* 100% has the technology to make strobe lights, why not implement them into lightbars, deck lights and grill lights?

[xRescue2x]

It's a great idea. I'd like to see the strobe lights. Could you find me a video?

[packardcaribien]

Well, just speaking about normal police cars, I think the Patrol and Cruiser mix is good, but they should expand on those two. Since the Merit design is a little old, maybe make a new generation Merit (based off a new Chevy Caprice or the like), and since the Crown Vic (ish) design is still up to date, add an older (90s, maybe even 80s) Crown Vic. There you have four different standard police cars, based on the multiple-generation concept introduced by the TBOGT Schafter.

 

And then, make a police Rancher for the sheriffs, and give the four police cars new liveries for any additional cities.

 

Also, the older police car models (the old Crown Vic and the 03' Impala) should be relegated to poorer neighborhoods (Ganton, Idlewood) or any (???) smaller cities outside of Los Santos.

 

AND THEN, bring back a Police Stinger, make a Police Buffalo as well as an FIB Buffalo (the FIB can have a Rancher too, maybe, but would have to be a new model), and consider a police Banshee or Coquette or whatever for highway speeding units.

 

 

[BirthOfMayhem]

 

 

Skip to 3:20 for all the cool flashy things =P

[StateofMind15]

 

What's with Rockstar's Obsession with 90's Police lights?

 

 

Wake up to the 21st Century

In my opinion 90s police lights look better.

[Officer620]

Now that MP3 is out, I'd like to revisit this topic.

 

As you might know, there are many scenes in Max Payne 3 that involve strobe lights flashing in nightclubs. Now that we know that R* 100% has the technology to make strobe lights, why not implement them into lightbars, deck lights and grill lights?

Rockstar have had the technology to make strobe lights since the beginning of GTA IV. The navigational lights on the helicopters were strobes, it's just a matter of Rockstar picking up their act and implementing them into lightbars for the emergency services.

 

Regarding gpcguy1's comment, I agree, I am a big fan of classic halogen lightbars, but you cannot fight change. Modern police departments use LEDs for their long life and low maintenance. Rockstar need to keep up with the times and give a modern urban policing agency the proper up-to-date equipment they deserve.

 

Cheers!

[StateofMind15]

Now that MP3 is out, I'd like to revisit this topic.

 

As you might know, there are many scenes in Max Payne 3 that involve strobe lights flashing in nightclubs. Now that we know that R* 100% has the technology to make strobe lights, why not implement them into lightbars, deck lights and grill lights?

Rockstar have had the technology to make strobe lights since the beginning of GTA IV. The navigational lights on the helicopters were strobes, it's just a matter of Rockstar picking up their act and implementing them into lightbars for the emergency services.

 

Regarding gpcguy1's comment, I agree, I am a big fan of classic halogen lightbars, but you cannot fight change. Modern police departments use LEDs for their long life and low maintenance. Rockstar need to keep up with the times and give a modern urban policing agency the proper up-to-date equipment they deserve.

 

Cheers!

The standard police should should have 2 or 3 variants. LED, Halogen and another one.

[Officer620]

As previously suggested, there should be combination bars. Something like a Code 3 MX7000 with the lower deck comprised of LED units and the upper domes housing the halogen rotators.

 

Cheers!

[r3dl3gion]

I think one or more of these would be cool. Not too OP.

 

 

 

 

Or these (To save space, I'm just putting up link/URL).

 

Undercover Crown Victoria

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q0GTBT8HzCc/S859...600/cop.car.jpg

 

Undercover Suburban

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nAUAxotsl5A/0.jpg

 

Police Pickup truck

http://www.truckzones.com/blog/wp-content/...ckup-Truck1.jpg

 

Mobile Command Center

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4096/4780685...0c851d353_z.jpg