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I don't have any strong feelings either way towards executing these kinds of people or locking them up until they rot. Both would suit, because the moment they engage in acts like this they must know their rights are going to compensated straight away. Despite that, the desire to perform such an act and go through with something so heinous is overwhelming. I can only really liken it to wanting a drink or wanting a cigarette so much that you're clawing at your own skin. Sure, there are going to be closet paedophiles who aren't so desperate that they cannot physically stop themselves ravaging kids, but these are the worst kind - the ones that feel compulsion and get their kicks from not only fellating babies but sharing it with others. As I said, I'm ambivalent to these people. Either end is good enough for me, as long as they don't get another chance to so much as see a child again.

I agree with this. As long as they're punished and iscolated from society (who they see as the "enemy") then I personally don't care what sentance they get be it execution or life in a cell. They deserve it. A child, a f*cking child. Brought into this world for the parent to use it as some kind of sexual toy. And you know that video would have been the start of a long stream of child abuse.

 

And what difference does it make whether or not the baby will remember it? That's what determines how harsh they should be punished? The child will find out eventually. And it will be 10 times worse finding out someone who you depend upon and trust would use you in such a way. It's disgusting. There are certainly worse cases out there, but f*ck it they are all scum.

 

Murdering a baby is certainly worse, but molesting and sexually abusing a child is bad on a whole other level. I don't think it's right that a murderer gets a lighter sentance. I think in both cases they should rot in a cell. But knowing todays standards they'd be protected in prison and be let out again. It's messed up.

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I don't think it's right that a murderer gets a lighter sentance. I think in both cases they should rot in a cell. But knowing todays standards they'd be protected in prison and be let out again. It's messed up.

Yeah they get "Prisoner's Rights" in prison, in my eyes they lost their "rights" the day they committed the crime.

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This begs the question as to why? She's got a boyfriend to f*ck.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, not a choice.

Now, with other orientations, like homosexuality, society can tolerate them because it's a union between two consenting adults of the same gender. But pedophilia is, by its very nature, unacceptable.

These people cannot help themselves, they cannot fight their genes any more than you can fight who you are attracted to. I pity them, but in the way that a man may pity a rabid dog.

As a society, we must ask ourselves a simple question: What benefit is there in keeping them alive? They disgust us. They make us frightened for our own children. Yet they simply cannot help themselves, because this is who they are.

We need to set them free, because they'll never find peace in this world, how can they? Would you let a pedophile f*ck your kid just so they could feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Their very nature makes them intolerable to us.

They need to be euthanised. All of them. No torture, no 'revenge', just set them free from themselves.

Yes, Typhus, but what they do is they force it on others. It's not rape if you want it.

 

Homosexuals don't kidnap you and then rape you, as far as I know they don't have such reputation, yet pedophiles do.




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This begs the question as to why? She's got a boyfriend to f*ck.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, not a choice.

Now, with other orientations, like homosexuality, society can tolerate them because it's a union between two consenting adults of the same gender. But pedophilia is, by its very nature, unacceptable.

These people cannot help themselves, they cannot fight their genes any more than you can fight who you are attracted to. I pity them, but in the way that a man may pity a rabid dog.

As a society, we must ask ourselves a simple question: What benefit is there in keeping them alive? They disgust us. They make us frightened for our own children. Yet they simply cannot help themselves, because this is who they are.

We need to set them free, because they'll never find peace in this world, how can they? Would you let a pedophile f*ck your kid just so they could feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Their very nature makes them intolerable to us.

They need to be euthanised. All of them. No torture, no 'revenge', just set them free from themselves.

Yes, Typhus, but what they do is they force it on others. It's not rape if you want it.

 

Homosexuals don't kidnap you and then rape you, as far as I know they don't have such reputation, yet pedophiles do.

Well the reported pedophiles do. I'm sure a shocking amount of kids are molested by family members and never report it.

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People like that should hit the electric chair. There are some sick-bastards out there, they should be locked up for the rest of their life, hopefully that baby won't remeber. Memory dosen't develope untill around four years old.

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The way I see it there are only a few choices.

 

A. Execution- You rape a child? Have relations with a child? Ok then you forfeit the right to live. That's all there is to it.

 

That's it. Nothing else. I consider this among the worse crimes a person can commit. A child is a innocent and will be scarred by this event more than almost any other. There is no toleration, no redemption, no rehabilation just an extinguishing from the earth and from society.

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The way I see it there are only a few choices.

 

A. Execution- You rape a child? Have relations with a child? Ok then you forfeit the right to live. That's all there is to it.

 

That's it. Nothing else. I consider this among the worse crimes a person can commit. A child is a innocent and will be scarred by this event more than almost any other. There is no toleration, no redemption, no rehabilation just an extinguishing from the earth and from society.

Its a child! WTF? I dont get it. Was it a boy or a girl baby?

 

Never mind, answer's right in font of me.

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Was it a boy or a girl baby?

Does it matter?

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A mother putting her kids penis in her mouth and sending pictures to her boyfriend?  This is somehow worthy of execution, life in prison, whatever bizarre punishment people want to suggest.

If she is sexually attracted to children. Do you really think letting her live is a mercy? Her orientation is illegal, just as homosexuality was. But unlike homosexuality, pedophilic 'material' often revolves around the cruel, disgusting abuse of innocent children. They can't help themselves and locking someone up for how they genes work is cruel. Like I said, euthanasia is the only merciful thing to do. They won't feel any more shame or emotional agony about the things their bodies are telling them to do.

You can't 'cure' pedophilia. Just like you can't 'cure' homosexuals. This is who they are but as a society we simply cannot keep them around. All we're doing is senselessly punishing people for following the same urges you sexual beings feel towards men or women. We slander them, we hurt them, we make their lives a misery. Enough is enough, they need to be put down, for their own good.

I hate to repeat myself Typhus but what you just said does not exclusively apply to pedophiles. There are many groups of undesirables who will never add anything to our society, who will cause only suffering and pain on others, people who can't help themselves but are unworthy of pity. For example a sadist cannot choose their sexual identity, but clearly our society does not stand for inflicting suffering on others for pleasure.

 

Psychopaths are irredeemable, they cannot be fixed, they are not good people and yet they do not choose to be so hopelessly flawed and ill. Psychopaths are born the way they are.

 

What I want to know from you is simple, should psychopaths be killed? If psychopathy (or pedophilia) could be definitely detected from childhood, would you advocate the euthanasia of children? I'm not suggesting it's possible, but hypothetically what if we could detect it early?

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People like that should hit the electric chair...they should be locked up for the rest of their life,

What would be the point of giving a fried corpse a life sentence?

 

You'd have to let him right out of jail, since he's already dead.

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A mother putting her kids penis in her mouth and sending pictures to her boyfriend?  This is somehow worthy of execution, life in prison, whatever bizarre punishment people want to suggest.

If she is sexually attracted to children. Do you really think letting her live is a mercy? Her orientation is illegal, just as homosexuality was. But unlike homosexuality, pedophilic 'material' often revolves around the cruel, disgusting abuse of innocent children. They can't help themselves and locking someone up for how they genes work is cruel. Like I said, euthanasia is the only merciful thing to do. They won't feel any more shame or emotional agony about the things their bodies are telling them to do.

You can't 'cure' pedophilia. Just like you can't 'cure' homosexuals. This is who they are but as a society we simply cannot keep them around. All we're doing is senselessly punishing people for following the same urges you sexual beings feel towards men or women. We slander them, we hurt them, we make their lives a misery. Enough is enough, they need to be put down, for their own good.

I hate to repeat myself Typhus but what you just said does not exclusively apply to pedophiles. There are many groups of undesirables who will never add anything to our society, who will cause only suffering and pain on others, people who can't help themselves but are unworthy of pity. For example a sadist cannot choose their sexual identity, but clearly our society does not stand for inflicting suffering on others for pleasure.

 

Psychopaths are irredeemable, they cannot be fixed, they are not good people and yet they do not choose to be so hopelessly flawed and ill. Psychopaths are born the way they are.

 

What I want to know from you is simple, should psychopaths be killed? If psychopathy (or pedophilia) could be definitely detected from childhood, would you advocate the euthanasia of children? I'm not suggesting it's possible, but hypothetically what if we could detect it early?

I know you weren't addressing me but I feel I need to add to this all the same.

 

There is a difference between getting pleasure from something and not having any emotions like a pyschopath. Just because you want to screw kids because you can get pleasure from that, doesn't mean you go and screw kids. That said if you do, and get caught you must understand there will be a community response to your needs and wants, and it won't be pretty. You're asking if someone is undesireable should society euthanize them, but the answer is No unless that person is a danger to other people. There are many pyschopaths, pedos etc who don't do illegal acts and who don't go doing amoral things.

 

The question at the heart of all of this is, what about after a person does the crime? In that case it depends on the crime of course but the matter of correction shouldn't be the criminal justice system, but rather the mental health system...a permanent stay in the mental health system.

 

 

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The issue about death penalty on these fellas is harder than you guys make it out to be. Morals change with time. What if some day pedophilia becomes acceptable by society? What are you going to do with the ones that were already killed by the death penalty? Say you're sorry?

I recall reading about a tribe in which the father would take the daughter's virginity when she was of age (around 12 or so, can't really remember). So would you sentence that tribal father to death? Or is it ok for them to do it because it's their culture?

 

All I'm saying is, death penalty is too much a punishment for something related to morals, which change over time. Scientists are always inventing new stuff. Maybe they'll invent some way to cure it.

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The issue about death penalty on these fellas is harder than you guys make it out to be. Morals change with time. What if some day pedophilia becomes acceptable by society? What are you going to do with the ones that were already killed by the death penalty? Say you're sorry?

I recall reading about a tribe in which the father would take the daughter's virginity when she was of age (around 12 or so, can't really remember). So would you sentence that tribal father to death? Or is it ok for them to do it because it's their culture?

 

All I'm saying is, death penalty is too much a punishment for something related to morals, which change over time. Scientists are always inventing new stuff. Maybe they'll invent some way to cure it.

I highly doubt pedophilia will ever become an acceptable part of society (In Western Culture at least) The difference between the tribal leaders who took their daughter's virginity and pedophiles is that pedophilia is usually done without consent..

 

 

 

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The issue about death penalty on these fellas is harder than you guys make it out to be. Morals change with time. What if some day pedophilia becomes acceptable by society? What are you going to do with the ones that were already killed by the death penalty? Say you're sorry?

I recall reading about a tribe in which the father would take the daughter's virginity when she was of age (around 12 or so, can't really remember). So would you sentence that tribal father to death? Or is it ok for them to do it because it's their culture?

 

All I'm saying is, death penalty is too much a punishment for something related to morals, which change over time. Scientists are always inventing new stuff. Maybe they'll invent some way to cure it.

I highly doubt pedophilia will ever become an acceptable part of society (In Western Culture at least) The difference between the tribal leaders who took their daughter's virginity and pedophiles is that pedophilia is usually done without consent..

Morals may not change, but they can change. Mind you, that's the only case I can see where it wouldn't be acceptable to kill pedophiles, but it exists. And when you look at the beginning of last century, and see how women were treated then and how they are treated now, you'll see that a ton of stuff can change in society.

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No. f*cking kids will never be socially acceptable. The comparison you're making is ludicrous.

 

Let me put it another way: women were treated poorly simply because they were women. Pedofiles are treated poorly because they f*ck children. Big distinction there.

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And killing them won't solve anything. Make them pay for what they've done, instead of letting them get away easily by killing them.

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No. f*cking kids will never be socially acceptable. The comparison you're making is ludicrous.

 

Let me put it another way: women were treated poorly simply because they were women. Pedofiles are treated poorly because they f*ck children. Big distinction there.

Why were homosexuals mistreated? Because they f*ck members of the same sex. This was often justified/rationalized as "wrong" and still is with various religious ideologies and ideas that they spread disease, but quite a lot of people now accept it as being okay.

 

I think that's all he's saying is that social consciousness changes, and one day people may not find it as morally despicable. In fact I think there's all right a few societies which find sex at a certain age appropriate where we would find it child rape.

 

The problem with the idea of, "What happens to the people put for death when society suddenly decides that action is no longer appropriate?" Well, first of all, to me it seems that there's an implication that this could somehow be some kind of change that happens in a short amount of time, so for example if we're debating a life sentence versus the death penalty the idea would be if society suddenly decides 50 years from now it's not a crime, the people doing life can be freed whereas it will be too late for the ones we executed. I think the prospect of our society taking such a radical revolution as to find this acceptable in the next 50 years is very unlikely though.

 

Despite that... What about slaves that were executed for kissing a white woman? Women beaten to death for adultry? Homosexuals beaten to death for sodomy. All that is in our history already, and all we do is say sorry.

 

 

I mean, I would go on record and say that the really sick individuals that engage in sado-masochistic crap or kidnap little girls to prostitute them into either child pornography or child sex rings. Those people, I really do think there should be a special punishment for them... Something cruel and unusual maybe even.

 

I really do think there's a line to be drawn though. I mean, when it comes to sexual abuse in the family, I think there are a lot of times where our response to that does more harm than the actual abuse itself. I mean, to be completely blunt, when you're talking about some sick freak lacerating the anus of a child with a broom handle in the newspaper, you want to ring his f*cking neck. However, if you're just talking about something like fellatio/cunnilingus, what kind of harm really is done? I think there is still the potential for some small-to-large harm in the physical realm (think about how prone to infection children are in general) in respect to that, but I think more of the focus is on the intangible and potential for harm on the psychological side of things. I mean, there seems to be this idea that having something like this done to them even at a time they remember it is just going to shatter their world and turn them into some psycho or emotional wreck, and I really think that doesn't actually happen as often as people seem to think. In some cases it seems that more harm is done by the family being torn apart, the kids thrown into foster care, the parents in jail and then ostracized for the rest of their lives, and the kids having to deal with being wards of the state and being sent to therapy where they were told something bad happened to them and their parents are horrible people and people wonder why they grow up to be screwed up.

 

I mean, do you know what happens when a father beats his 12 year old girl? He gets sent to anger management, they make sure the living environment is okay, they have supervised visitation until they can make sure that it won't happen again and usually there's some kind of mandatory counseling. What happens when a father touches his 12 year old's vagina? He goes to jail and probably never sees her again and then queue the dramatics.

 

To me it just seems that we are hasty and spiteful when it comes to thinking about this kind of thing. I mean, sometimes I don't feel like I can totally relate to others though... The idea of a little girl being kidnapped and raped is f*cking horrible to me. However, the idea of her dad getting a little too touchy-feely when playing "bouncy horse" is slightly less repulsive. It's still f*cked up, but I mean, I see it as f*cked up on a lesser degree than some dad hauling off and striking his kid, yet you see more tolerance of that.

 

I mean, of course we shouldn't allow it, shouldn't even entertain the idea of allowing something like that, but I think this line of punishment is too severe. It's almost as if so many people feel like we should just execute them that black-balling them, ostracizing them and throwing them in jail for decades is somehow being "lenient". Well, what I'm saying is, what if we did just go ahead and execute anyone that does this sort of crap? Sure, you might feel that it is right, you have all your rationale and your justifications... Well, what about people that killed homosexuals for sodomy, or black men for interracial coupling, or women for adultery, etc. I mean, do you think they didn't have their justifications and rationale for just hauling off an killing people like this ( btw this still happens in part of the world, so ignore the past-tense phrasing of that )... How far removed from that type of blind brutality is just suggesting we should kill these people? Not very far I would think, and most of society agrees, so we then decide, "Well, we can't just hang your ass right here, so life/50/30/20/10 years it is".

 

Also, on the idea of it being an orientation... I don't think that it's really an orientation personally, more of a fetish. In any case, it doesn't really matter... If you're sexually oriented toward adult women, it's not like you can just grope them or take advantage of them, it's still rape no matter how you frame it. People try to manufacture consent when it comes to juveniles, and on the other hand I think a lot of the reasoning behind why it is not consensual is a little contrived too... More importantly though is that there are two types of individuals in the ultimate reality here: The type that act on these impulses and abuse a child and those who don't. Those who do are committing a criminal act, they deserve to be punished, no two ways about that. You may not be able to control what you are sexually attracted to, but in society you are expected to not act on your impulses if they are not appropriate. I mean, here's a real sick news flash... There's a lot of people out there who would really like to get their rocks off by slicing you open and seeing how much you bleed. Should we just pity them because this is their "orientation". No, we just need to concern ourselves with the few who bring what happens in their fantasy land into the real world. Most people who molest children aren't the stereotypical gross guy hanging around a playground, it's their parents; that kind of indicates that these people can partake in an intimate and committed relationship with another adult, so much so to the point where they conceived a child. Where the parents go wrong is when they get those impulses and act on them.

 

Let me ask this question... Let's say we could test someone to see if they're attracted to children. No imaginary bullsh*t here, just show them some images, hook up some kind of device on their dick to see if they're aroused or not. Maybe a polygraph, read some story about incest or something. I don't know, but there are ways it could be done. Well, the question is, what do you do with the people that aroused to stimuli involving children? Do they fit into this proposed euthanasia theory, and we can just kind of snuff them out for whatever they might do. It's almost like the idea of "future crime" in Minority Report, except it's more like betting on the future than seeing it.

 

Anyway, long story short, I just think sometimes these types of cases are determined more upon how sicking or bizarre they are then how severe or harmful the crime itself really is.

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If she is sexually attracted to children. Do you really think letting her live is a mercy? Her orientation is illegal, just as homosexuality was. But unlike homosexuality, pedophilic 'material' often revolves around the cruel, disgusting abuse of innocent children. They can't help themselves and locking someone up for how they genes work is cruel. Like I said, euthanasia is the only merciful thing to do. They won't feel any more shame or emotional agony about the things their bodies are telling them to do.

You can't 'cure' pedophilia. Just like you can't 'cure' homosexuals. This is who they are but as a society we simply cannot keep them around. All we're doing is senselessly punishing people for following the same urges you sexual beings feel towards men or women. We slander them, we hurt them, we make their lives a misery. Enough is enough, they need to be put down, for their own good.

I just want you to know that you're a f*ckin' idiot. Who are you to decide who should live or die? If they want to live they have every right as you.

You can't kill people because of their sexual orientation. If they want to die, they are free to kill themselves. If they don't want to die, you have no right to make that choice for them. In this day and age there are other ways to stop them from engaging in sexual acts with children, thanks to science. You can make those people sexually inactive. And who knows, maybe in the future scientists will find a cure for sexual deviants. Everything is possible.

First of all, I'm not a 'f*cking'' idiot. And someone as narrow-minded, dogmatic and simple as yourself has no right to be calling anyone else foolish.

Second of all, I am fully aware that pedophiles can be chemically castrated. But what right do you have to make that choice for them?

They might live, but no one would forget what they were. Do you think society is a forgiving place, where a pedophile can be accepted and 'forgiven' because he's been "cured".

You are trying to paint me as a monster, when in actual fact, I only feel pity for them and that's why I want them all dead. Because their existence must be Hell. Because of their genes they can never find peace, never be truly accepted for what they are. And a lifetime of that sort of treatment seems worse than death.

Why can't you get your head around the fact that killing them would be the only humane thing to do? Because it would, you know. These people need help, not punishment. And the only help possible is to free them from their own cursed existence.

 

Oh, and if you're just going to insult me again. Don't bother f*cking posting.

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First of all, I'm not a 'f*cking'' idiot. And someone as narrow-minded, dogmatic and simple as yourself has no right to be calling anyone else foolish.

Second of all, I am fully aware that pedophiles can be chemically castrated. But what right do you have to make that choice for them?

They might live, but no one would forget what they were. Do you think society is a forgiving place, where a pedophile can be accepted and 'forgiven' because he's been "cured".

You are trying to paint me as a monster, when in actual fact, I only feel pity for them and that's why I want them all dead. Because their existence must be Hell. Because of their genes they can never find peace, never be truly accepted for what they are. And a lifetime of that sort of treatment seems worse than death.

Why can't you get your head around the fact that killing them would be the only humane thing to do? Because it would, you know. These people need help, not punishment. And the only help possible is to free them from their own cursed existence.

I just can't believe you consider yourself a Christian. Don't you think society is to blame too? You really never thought about trying to educate people about these problems so they could look at it from a different perspective? If people are condemning pedophiles it's because they're not familiar with the fact that it's a sickness. And like any other sickness society should try to cure it. But your only solution is to kill people because you think their existence is a torture. If they thought it was a torture they would kill themselves. And you're calling me narrow minded. That's rich. I'm not trying to paint you as a monster, you're doing a good job at that all by yourself.

 

@SagaciousKJB: in some countries it's perfectly normal for a man to marry a 12 year old girl. And in the medieval period in EUROPE, sexual maturity was considered to be 12 for girls and 14 for boys, because it was believed that girls mature faster than boys. Today, that would be considered pedophilia.

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Let me ask this question... Let's say we could test someone to see if they're attracted to children. No imaginary bullsh*t here, just show them some images, hook up some kind of device on their dick to see if they're aroused or not. Maybe a polygraph, read some story about incest or something. I don't know, but there are ways it could be done. Well, the question is, what do you do with the people that aroused to stimuli involving children? Do they fit into this proposed euthanasia theory, and we can just kind of snuff them out for whatever they might do. It's almost like the idea of "future crime" in Minority Report, except it's more like betting on the future than seeing it.

I believe that this already exists, as I saw it mentioned on TV somewhere. They put something around the dick, and the person is made to view various images, some of children and some of adults, and the results show up on some graph, showing the times when they were most aroused and when they weren't. It was the same programme that showed that paedophilia is actually something to do with wires been wrongly crossed in the brain, and that the person has can't distinguish between the 2 different kinds of love for a child.

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There´s another big story here in Europe.

 

A father has raped the daughter more than 400 times. Now she is 46 and starts telling about it.

 

I believe there are much more skeletons in the closet out there. That´s a pretty disgusting thing, this child raping and child porn. I already complained such an issue to the police.

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There´s another big story here in Europe.

 

A father has raped the daughter more than 400 times. Now she is 46 and starts telling about it.

 

I believe there are much more skeletons in the closet out there. That´s a pretty disgusting thing, this child raping and child porn. I already complained such an issue to the police.

Is that something new, or is it about that Austrian guy who had kids with his imprisoned daughter who he kept in a basement for years so that he could rape her? Now THAT was some f*cked up sh*t.

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There´s another big story here in Europe.

 

A father has raped the daughter more than 400 times. Now she is 46 and starts telling about it.

 

I believe there are much more skeletons in the closet out there. That´s a pretty disgusting thing, this child raping and child porn. I already complained such an issue to the police.

Is that something new, or is it about that Austrian guy who had kids with his imprisoned daughter who he kept in a basement for years so that he could rape her? Now THAT was some f*cked up sh*t.

No. It´s a new story. And this guy also has kids with his daughter I believe. That sucks. I almost have to lol about how sh*tty that must feel to have children with the own children. That´s paradox.

 

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It´s disgusting. The kids will probably get totally stupid, too.

 

I mean, c´mon... before this I go and f*ck a tree.

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Homosexuality involves a consensual relationship between adults. Pedophilia involves harming a kid who can't consent. Yes, an 11 year old can "consent" in a way but they obviously aren't mature enough to understand the consequences. Comparing the two is complete ludicrous. Just because one was considered wrong by society in the past doesn't make the other suddenly acceptable.

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Yeah, comparing homo stuff with this child stuff is ridiculous. Children are standing outside "the adult system". Therefore they need only one thing: Love. And not sexual love, I mean Love.

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