Further studies advice

[Swoorup]

Hello people,

 

As few of you may know already I have recently posted about teenage life. I am again here because I need some advice on my further studies. I have just finished my college now and I dont know what should I study. All I know is that I am really interested in working with computer most of the time. I really like to do research about the games and programs and make them for long hours.

 

So can you guys suggest me which field, which course? should I take along with what benefits will I get?

 

P.S How much can I earn after finishing the course?

Edited September 17, 2011 by Swoorup

[anus]

All I can say is do what you truly enjoy, do not do it for the money, financial benefits, 'status' or any bullsh*t like that.

[Swoorup]

I want to do it for money. Because in our country our income is really low. Its not enough even to support our family too. And people with computer knowledge has really low value!! Sorry to say that but its true.

 

 

[Whiskey]

And people with computer knowledge has really low value!! Sorry to say that but its true.

Not over here, companies are drooling for IT expertise over here. Do it for the fun. I plan on taking a course in Graphics design communication/Web design and i'm only doing it because I know i'll enjoy it. I'll be in some serious debt after it though.

[sivispacem]

If your interested in computers, network engineering or network architecture are the way to go. There's money in coding (my cousin is a Java-based software developer) but the real demand is for network engineers, architects and penetration testing (fnar). The former two is basically how best to design computer networks to meet criteria- such as resistance to attacks, functionality, resilience and data security. The latter tests those functions- it's basically where the good hackers go after they get bored of causing mayhem. A good penetration tester working for a worthwhile company can get hundreds of pounds an hour.

 

Where are you based?

[anus]

Then you'll be trading in your happiness for some pieces of paper.

 

Don't get me wrong, you need money, but it's not like you can't earn enough by doing what you like.

 

But hey, it's all up to you. Hell I may be completely wrong and you may be really happy being rich, so if that's what works for you, go for it.

[Swoorup]

@Whiskey nice to hear that. If I have to go for learning something Ill enjoy, I know I will have no place here. I have to go abroad.

So can you suggest where to go and which university will be appropriate.

 

@sivisspacem I have not got really deep into networking because of the lack of networking tools and computer. I just have some basic knowledge on the networking system. Really only a basic. Penetration testing? I am really low on that too I think. I have Backtrack 5 but as you know I dont have any testing stuff and time, I dont know most of the functions though. But I do crack some neighbours wifi just for the fun. I mean just for the fun.

 

@Warlord I really meant we cant earn here. The price rate of everything are very high. Also I dont think I can be happy here, because of the crime rate and political instability. I want to raise my own family without any troubles.

 

EDIT: I do have the interest to learn programming more (I use VB6) and assembly language( how the computer works from the beginning, I know this then only I have the peace of mind). I am starting really small modelling with Gmax but I dont know if that will interest me or not

Edited September 8, 2011 by Swoorup

[Barguast]

I want to do it for money. Because in our country our income is really low. Its not enough even to support our family too. And people with computer knowledge has really low value!! Sorry to say that but its true.

I'd be surprised if there was little demand for computer knowledge, unless the industry is particularly saturated in your corner of the world. Regardless, as suggested by others, you'd be best off pursuing a career in something you enjoy doing, and in your case that would appear to be software development (?). If so, do that.

 

Also bear in mind that 33%+ of your adult life is going to be spent working - you want to be doing something you enjoy first and foremost.

[Whiskey]

@Whiskey nice to hear that. If I have to go for learning something Ill enjoy, I know I will have no place here. I have to go abroad.

So can you suggest where to go and which university will be appropriate.

 

 

Well in Ireland, I think every college offers something in IT. If your in Dublin check out DIT, UCD, DCU and Trinity college (our version of Harvard). I'll get loads of websites off the Careers guidance counceller tomorrow for you.

[Swoorup]

@Barguast Its really damn boring when the other part of the world has a great demand of IT minded people whereas we are bound because of the country's situation. Enjoying? I spent nearly my 50% life glued to the computer. I even dont remember so much stuff that I did. I would really enjoy working on computer.

 

@Whiskey thank you so much buddy. Is it costly and is it hard to get admission in the college. Can you also post the prerequisites too?

 

Guys can you tell me what field of computing will have the person earn highest amount. I am not doing it for money. Just wanna know where will my interest land

I will be back tomorrow guys! Good night GTAF fellas!

[lil weasel]

Apprentice to the building trades. Since you like computers try being an Electrician. From there, while you rake in the ca$h you can night school computers until your settled.

Remeber 40% (approx.) of the members here are in the same boat as you.

[Swoorup]

@lil wesel Can you please elaborate. I did not quite get you actually. you mean part time electrician?

I want to do more programming stuff. Can you tell me what what stuff I have to learn. C? Java? Are they really tough?

[JoeyLeone25]

By the looks of the flag under your name (Nepalese) and the fact that you've understood that you may need to move overseas to continue your studying, I'd recommend one area you look at is doing a degree (and then potentially a post-graduate degree) in isComputer Science. If you have the correct grades at home, you should have little problem obtaining a scholarship (at most places in the UK anyway), and there is most likely a job at the end of it for you.

 

For example, my friend is currently doing a PhD in Computer Science, and his friend was going to but decided on employment instead. He is now earning upwards of £30,000 (3,500,000 rp) a year as he manages (I say manages, but he does something like that...) database(s) for a major international bank. Then again with all this said and done it is up to yourself and if there's one thing I would recommend, it is: do not do a degree simply for the potential financial reparations, try and find a balance between something you enjoy doing and something that will provide a reasonable wage for yourself in the future.

[Swoorup]

I want to do mainly what I am interested in? But sometimes, I question myself will it benefit me or not. So I just want to know which field in computing has what type of benefits. I do not want to make a choice viewing the benefits but I want to know will my interest suffice me or my future family? Can you tell me what are the advantages, disadvantages of doing a computer science degree.

What are the areas it does include and will I have to prepare for it laboriously.

 

How long does your friend have free hours sir?

[SIKKS66]

I chose to study something I liked rather than something with promising career opportunities. I now have a second class degree in something that was pretty fun to study but the job hunt is bound to be a bit sh*t.

[Swoorup]

@SIKKS66 can you tell me your field?

[Barguast]

 

I want to do more programming stuff. Can you tell me what what stuff I have to learn. C? Java? Are they really tough?

It depends what you want to do, but ultimately it doesn't particularly matter what language you learn. I taught myself BASIC at an almost embarrassingly young age (single digits), then started using Visual Basic *spit*. I college I was taught Pascal, and at Uni I used C++. I now work as a developer using C# and Javascript. What you need to learn is the art of programming (), not the languages themselves.

 

Then again, if you want to concentrate on a particular language, you need to decide what field you want to go into. If you want to do web development, you'll need to learn Javascript, PHP, ASP.NET, etc. If you want to do games, you're still stuck with C++.

 

As for whether they're tough, it depends on the individual and how you're willing to learn. For example, if you want to make a game in a new language then start with a number guessing game, not an MMORPG. Otherwise, you will fail, get frustrated, lose motivation, and quit. If you're willing to learn incrementally, over a long period of time, you'll get there in the end and be a better programmer for it.

[SIKKS66]

English Literature. The ultimate waste of a course, the byword for pointlessness.

 

My options are to either do another course in teaching (which I'd rather not) or try nudge my way into writing for a local magazine/newspaper (the preferred choice). Or look at graduate courses the supermarket I've worked at for 4 years are offering, go into retail management or something (my "banker" option, even if this isn't exactly a certainty).

 

Either way, none of these options offer particularly good money. I admire how you are planning for the future and not just studying for the sake of it though, I know I and a lot of my secondary school pals just went into higher education just because our teachers made it sound like it was what we should be doing. I know people who went into doing apprenticeships- training to be plumbers, electricians etc- and now they are f*cking loaded.

[Swoorup]

@Barguast

Nice to hear that from you sir. I wanna ask some personal questions. Are you satisfied with your job sir? And is the job varient or variable time and often? Or is it the same usually? And is it easy to tackle the tasks you encounter? Is it a lot of pressure or easy going? I am sorry, you can ignore if its personal?

So basically it would be better to stick with the same language? Are there any benefits of learning many at once , so that to tackle a problem different solutions can be used at the same time?

 

@SIKKS66

I am having a lot of troubles at home. And I dont want to spend the rest of my life this way again. I just want a stable job, a loving wife and sufficient income and best buddies too. I dont want to go on this way again. The video was made funny or is it real sir?

[Barguast]

@Barguast

Nice to hear that from you sir. I wanna ask some personal questions. Are you satisfied with your job sir? And is the job varient or variable time and often? Or is it the same usually? And is it easy to tackle the tasks you encounter? Is it a lot of pressure or easy going? I am sorry, you can ignore if its personal?

So basically it would be better to stick with the same language? Are there any benefits of learning many at once , so that to tackle a problem different solutions can be used at the same time?

I love what I do, and the only issues I have are with the company I work for. I do a standard five day / eight hour week, but this often drifts into the evenings (although that is usually because I want to, not because I have to). I also do some contracting work on the side when it suits.

 

There is pressure on me, but that's the nature of my job. It doesn't get to me. I've been in this particular job for long enough to get comfortable, and I find most aspects of it fairly easy. Like any job, that comes with experience.

 

As I said before, you want to start off with a language that is suitable for your particular interests. Programming is frustrating and annoying and time consuming at first, BUT there is a lot of satisfaction to be had from getting something working provided that the end result is of interest to you. For example, if want to get into games, you need to be learning something that is suitable for games.

 

Personally, I'd suggest you to start with something like C#. It is a clean language and let's you get things done quickly, and that'll keep you motivated. Plus it should also help you learn to design code properly, as it makes it difficult to stray into any bad programming practices. I don't like C++ at all, but you'll need it if you want to get into game development. I actually studied game development at uni, but decided against taking it up professionally since the industry is a bit too unstable for my liking.

[Slamman]

PCguy is an IT, and Trip is as well, on different ends; software or hardware, you could try a school for game design, or try website design for people's home business, all sorts of avenues, really

[Swoorup]

Sorry for the bump, I was kinda busy.

I learned that VB is for lazy people? Is this true? I have been using it for 2 years almost. Will I be disadvantaged from doing VB net further or should I have to immediately jump to C#?

 

C++ seems like a simple code will be very much lengthy but much more informative than both C# and .net from what I am read from my research. Is it true? So considering those things what type jobs would a C# programmer land on?

 

@Slamman PCguy? I did not understand?

 

EDIT: Barguast I think I am gonna try game coding a bit. I found that new engine mostly used C#, XNA stuffs? Can you give me a green light signal to learn or should I stick to C++ ?

 

EDIT EDIT: Barguast help

Do I also need to know hardcore C++ functions for Game dev? Do I need to learn ASM? Can I directly use libraries or try procedural from scratch?

 

 

Edited July 26, 2012 by Swoorup